Board 8 > I'm starting to think a Republican winning in 2012 would be better for America

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Because I think it would eventually reach the final tipping point for America and give us a possible chance to save it.

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Maybe your logic is just so flawless that, as a mere mortal, I can't comprehend it... But care to explain your line of reasoning?

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Because Obama is terrible for America but people will still go great lengths to convince themselves he's not but a full on insane Republican president would possibly convince everyone to finally cast down the corrupt DC and corporate establishment


That's probably me being wishful though, there are many who would still defend the Republicans through anything

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We just had a full on insane Republican president right before Obama

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The tipping point you're looking for does not exist. Bush would have tipped us past it, but it turns out America went right back to the Republicans 2 years after Bush left office.

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It's been kinda cute to see the political transformation of iamdead7 over the last year.

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I think the Republicans are going a bit too far with the current debt ceiling issue though. Playing hardball in support of their positions is what they were elected to do and what they have done (and the Democrats have failed over and over at), but economic meltdown wasn't one of the things they were supposed to do.

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I know, I'm enjoying how unbelievably cynical I've become.

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I honestly thought the Republicans were finished after 2008


lol

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Wishful thinking is about it. As said, we just had an insane president for 8 years.

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While I see your point, I don't think it would happen, and I think you give the American public too much credit. The younger generation seems much more liberal though, for what it's worth, and they are the ones who will finally say "Enough is enough." Even in the past midterms, the numbers for Democrats amongst 18-25 year old stayed the same, which is a pretty good sign (albeit their numbers sunk amongst 25-35 year olds). All of the future demographic trends favor liberals/Democrats, albeit we face huge issues in terms of apathy amongst progressive groups.

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But the current Republicans somehow manage to go a million times beyond Bush. It's mind boggling.

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both parties are the same

The future demographics do not favor Democrats. All the population growth in the US is projected to be in the red states. Young people have always voted liberal; they become more conservative as they get older.

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It's because the blue states are aborting their babies and full of gays

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Young people have always voted liberal; they become more conservative as they get older.

The conservative moment is much older now then it was back in the 60's. Youth groups were a large part of the conservative upswing in the 1960's. The same can not be said for the Tea Party. Obama's share of the youth vote was also much larger than Kerry's was, and larger than Clinton's was as well.

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And the population of the red states growing will not matter as their Hispanic populations increase. Hispanics might be socially conservative, but that is not the main issue they vote on.

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Obama did better than Kerry or Clinton in the overall vote too! Plus, Obama is (or at least was in 2008) personally very popular, but in many cases it doesn't extend to Democrats or liberal ideas in general. IIRC, during the Bush presidency, much was made of the younger generation (those born since the Reagan presidency) being more conservative than earlier ones (especially the Baby Boomers).

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And the population of the red states growing will not matter as their Hispanic populations increase. Hispanics might be socially conservative, but that is not the main issue they vote on.

As long as conservatives maintain majorities in these states, additional liberal residents of these states only increase conservative power in the federal government. And considering Hispanics voted for Bush, I wouldn't count on them voting solidly for Democrats in the future.

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From: red sox 777 | #059
And the population of the red states growing will not matter as their Hispanic populations increase. Hispanics might be socially conservative, but that is not the main issue they vote on.

As long as conservatives maintain majorities in these states, additional liberal residents of these states only increase conservative power in the federal government. And considering Hispanics voted for Bush, I wouldn't count on them voting solidly for Democrats in the future.

Not really, you do realize one of the huge reasons Obama won Virginia and North Carolina was that almost all of the population growth in those "red" states was liberal, making them currently swing states?

And seriously, the American people are a lot more liberal than they want to admit.

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Obama won VA and NC because he won 52-46 nationally. If you win by a big margin nationally, you'll win a lot of states.

Also, the rapidly growing blue parts of VA and NC are rich areas that have grown from technology (Research Triangle) and government (Northern Virginia) jobs. Northern Virginia in particular now contains the richest counties in the United States. This kind of demographic shift is not the same thing as red states becoming more populous in general- Texas and its rapidly rising number of electoral votes is a good example of that.

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Obama did better than Kerry or Clinton in the overall vote too! Plus, Obama is (or at least was in 2008) personally very popular, but in many cases it doesn't extend to Democrats or liberal ideas in general. IIRC, during the Bush presidency, much was made of the younger generation (those born since the Reagan presidency) being more conservative than earlier ones (especially the Baby Boomers).

Obama did much better than Kerry in regards to those numbers. He only outdid Kerry 53%/49% in the overall vote, but the youth numbers were something akin to 66%/55%. I don't exactly remember the Clinton numbers, although the numbers in comparison to the Republican were still better.

The under 25 voters now weren't even voting during the Bush presidency, and they're the liberal ones I'm talking about. And there were plenty of conservative Baby Boomers. Look at all the young people who supported Goldwater, like YAF, and the college groups associated with Buckley.

As long as conservatives maintain majorities in these states, additional liberal residents of these states only increase conservative power in the federal government. And considering Hispanics voted for Bush, I wouldn't count on them voting solidly for Democrats in the future.

It won't increase conservative power in the House, unless Hispanics disperse more than they are now. And if Texas gets a Hispanic population close to 40% or something, that will be enough to win statewide office for Democrats. Hispanics voted for Bush, but there's no way they would vote for Republicans now with those same numbers, based on immigration policies alone.

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ITT one single election indicates a generation-defining trend

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ITT one single election indicates a generation-defining trend

each generation is usually more liberal than the last. as a country we are always moving left. this is why opposing universal healthcare is a poor decision for the Republican party. The best part of their voting block is also most likely to die!

Immigration policies can be changed when/if we reach that point where that would win more votes, and illegal immigrants don't vote. (Remember, the slogan of the Republican Party may as well be "The end justifies the means.")

Here's the Democrats' real problem: they can't win outside of big cities. They run up massive margins in big cities, winning 80-90% of the vote, but they consistently lose everywhere else. They lose big in rural areas, and while they are competitive in suburban areas (where all the population growth is), especially the rich ones, they lose more than they win. This geographical division is not good for Democrats, it just alienates cities even further from the rest of the country.

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People are living longer. The American population as a whole is aging with advances in medical science.

lol gl democratic party

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I don't know as much about the US parties compare to some people on this board, but to me it's starting to seem that there is only one true party in the US. You have the Republicans and you have the not Republicans. The Democrats seem to be more split on more issues, when they did control the house they didn't do much.

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each generation is usually more liberal than the last. as a country we are always moving left. this is why opposing universal healthcare is a poor decision for the Republican party. The best part of their voting block is also most likely to die!

And funny enough, as the population moves left, the political spectrum moves right. It's pretty neat!

Anyway TC, I'd be curious to hear what it is about Obama that displeases you and which GOP candidate would best rectify these problems.

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Obama is either a corporate tool or the worst negotiator the world has ever seen

What kind of Democratic president offers up Medicare and f***ing SOCIAL SECURITY (which contributes nothing to the deficit btw) when tax revenues (as a % of GDP) are at the lowest since 1950 and the only ones doing well are the super rich, as a "deficit fix" without understanding that any cut in spending is going to harm the economy (and therefore help the GOP, which is exactly what they want)

It hurts me.

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A desperate one who agrees with many of the GOP's economic ideas. (the actual ones as followed by Reagan and Bush, not the ones proclaimed by the Tea Party that no one listens to)

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Obama is either a corporate tool or the worst negotiator the world has ever seen

What kind of Democratic president offers up Medicare and f***ing SOCIAL SECURITY (which contributes nothing to the deficit btw) when tax revenues (as a % of GDP) are at the lowest since 1950 and the only ones doing well are the super rich, as a "deficit fix" without understanding that any cut in spending is going to harm the economy (and therefore help the GOP, which is exactly what they want)

It hurts me.

So you're one of those "Obama is a sell-out" Democrats. Why, then, would a GOP candidate be better? Isn't that a step further in the wrong direction?

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did you read my original post? If a GOP President is elected it would maybe finally break the American people into actually trying to fix whats wrong.

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The Democrats seem to be more split on more issues, when they did control the house they didn't do much.

In all fairness, a big part of the problem was the fact that you need 60/100 votes to effectively pass anything in the Senate. A lot more would have gotten done had a simple majority been needed in the Senate/the Democrats had even once tried to call the Republican's bluff. A fair bit got passed as it was.

-Fairer pay for women.
-Stimulus package
-Health care
-Repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell
-Troop increases in Afghanistan
-Two Supreme Court Justice confirmations
-Attempts at Financial Reform (which the Republicans are now in the middle of attempting to gut)

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Obama knew well that the Speaker wouldn't agree with what he was saying, and what trying to make them look bad by going "i'm willing to alienate my base and you still won't say yes"

it worked

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From: Iamdead7 | #033
did you read my original post? If a GOP President is elected it would maybe finally break the American people into actually trying to fix whats wrong.

xfd

Like, how can you even mention this as an ideal.

What next "maybe we'll have world war III and that'll teach people that we should all live in peace and harmony"?

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You know, the last economic crash did make people wake up and decide to try to change things in Washington- we got the Tea Party.

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lol

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most politicians though are corrupt so nothing would change unless you found a way to find some one who actually cares

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I care...

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The parties have the same goals (in that they want to serve the interests of the rich over everyone else) but the Republicans have some literally god damn insane people, which is why a Republican president would be far worse

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XxDarkCrueltyxX posted...
both parties are the same

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If Bachman is elected...she won't even spend a day in the white house. The government should be overthrown into anarchy, immediately.

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If we get disaster under a Democrat, we can just elect a Republican to fix things. If things go bad under another Republican president, the country may be forced to resort to the Tea Party! Because, after all, the parties are really the same and both of them are too liberal, right?

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From: red sox 777 | #205
the parties are really the same and both of them are too liberal, right?

not sure if serious?

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UltimaterializerX posted...
One, both parties are the same and anyone who thinks otherwise is a sucker.

Two: The younger generation seems much more liberal though, for what it's worth, and they are the ones who will finally say "Enough is enough."

lol

This is what one would think with the monumental success of songs like "Born This Way", yet this country still remains the same on those issues.

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From: crazyisgood | #039
most politicians though are corrupt so nothing would change unless you found a way to find some one who actually cares

True. Just give me a handsome man that can speak well.

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I'm kind of serious, yeah. Not that the two parties are actually too liberal (on a good portion of issues anyway), but that's the reaction that's going to be generated. People are becoming more aware that the two parties are really the same, but all the agitation against this state of affairs is coming from the far right.

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lol the two parties are both "conservative" because they both buy into bulls*** supply side economics

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