Board 8 > Rafael Nadal Probably Wins Wimbledon [thanks Tsonga] [Tennis]

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The Mana Sword 07/01/11 10:14:00 AM #201:	Djokovic gonna win. -- i'm dumb as hell holy crap -ExThaNemesis <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:36893] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Djokovic gonna win. -- i'm dumb as hell holy crap -ExThaNemesis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pokewars 07/01/11 10:15:00 AM #202:	One can hope. -- Okay, Chief, take 'em away. I'm gonna go home and sleep with my wife. ~ Mr. Green Enjoy the silence. <cite>Pokewars posted [p:36894] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> One can hope. -- Okay, Chief, take 'em away. I'm gonna go home and sleep with my wife. ~ Mr. GreenEnjoy the silence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sephsblade 07/01/11 10:15:00 AM #203:	THERE'S ONLY ONE ANDY MURRAY this time with snark -- "Biting is excellent- it's like kissing only there's a winner." <cite>sephsblade posted [p:36895] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> THERE'S ONLY ONE ANDY MURRAYthis time with snark -- "Biting is excellent- it's like kissing only there's a winner." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jupizzle 07/01/11 10:16:00 AM #204:	By the standards of Top 5 in the world yeah, but not top 50 or 100 or as a professional tennis player overall. He has 17 titles at the moment, and does well at grand slams for sure, if he was mentally weak he would never be at this stage right now. I reckon if he was playing another player besides the absolute top players right now, he would be able to recover from this dip in form. But this is Nadal and a grand slam semi-final I guess, and even a slight dip is beyond punishing. <cite>jupizzle posted [p:36896] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> By the standards of Top 5 in the world yeah, but not top 50 or 100 or as a professional tennis player overall. He has 17 titles at the moment, and does well at grand slams for sure, if he was mentally weak he would never be at this stage right now. I reckon if he was playing another player besides the absolute top players right now, he would be able to recover from this dip in form. But this is Nadal and a grand slam semi-final I guess, and even a slight dip is beyond punishing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Princess Anri 07/01/11 10:16:00 AM #205:	NBC coverage picked up at 2-2 in the second. Break point against Murray. Nadal won the next 4 games. What a great time to come into the match. -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword <cite>Princess Anri posted [p:36897] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> NBC coverage picked up at 2-2 in the second. Break point against Murray.Nadal won the next 4 games.What a great time to come into the match. -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 07/01/11 10:17:00 AM #206:	Murray needs Djokovic's hat ASAP -- i'm dumb as hell holy crap -ExThaNemesis <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:36898] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Murray needs Djokovic's hat ASAP -- i'm dumb as hell holy crap -ExThaNemesis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 07/01/11 10:19:00 AM #207:	When you are considered a top player, losing one of the biggest matches of your career because of one missed shot is inexcusable. You can't justify his behaviour here. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:36899] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> When you are considered a top player, losing one of the biggest matches of your career because of one missed shot is inexcusable. You can't justify his behaviour here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sephsblade 07/01/11 10:19:00 AM #208:	Come on Tim! -- "Biting is excellent- it's like kissing only there's a winner." <cite>sephsblade posted [p:36900] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Come on Tim! -- "Biting is excellent- it's like kissing only there's a winner." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 07/01/11 10:19:00 AM #209:	Safin just bought Djokovic's hat, they are trying to revive Safina's career. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess <cite>voltch posted [p:36901] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Safin just bought Djokovic's hat, they are trying to revive Safina's career. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pokewars 07/01/11 10:19:00 AM #210:	Djokovic's Hat is winning Wimbledon. -- Okay, Chief, take 'em away. I'm gonna go home and sleep with my wife. ~ Mr. Green Enjoy the silence. <cite>Pokewars posted [p:36902] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Djokovic's Hat is winning Wimbledon. -- Okay, Chief, take 'em away. I'm gonna go home and sleep with my wife. ~ Mr. GreenEnjoy the silence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pokewars 07/01/11 10:21:00 AM #211:	[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] <cite>Pokewars posted [p:36903] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> [This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pokewars 07/01/11 10:21:00 AM #212:	Literally and figuratively choking. At the same time. -- Okay, Chief, take 'em away. I'm gonna go home and sleep with my wife. ~ Mr. Green Enjoy the silence. <cite>Pokewars posted [p:36904] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Literally and figuratively choking. At the same time. -- Okay, Chief, take 'em away. I'm gonna go home and sleep with my wife. ~ Mr. GreenEnjoy the silence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 07/01/11 10:22:00 AM #213:	Welp, 3rd set to Nadal. -- i'm dumb as hell holy crap -ExThaNemesis <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:36905] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Welp, 3rd set to Nadal. -- i'm dumb as hell holy crap -ExThaNemesis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 07/01/11 10:23:00 AM #214:	73% winning record, 16 million dollars in just prize money, world number 2 at one point. 3 finals appearances in grand slams. If Murray is weak, then I'd hate to be Goran Ivanisevic -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess <cite>voltch posted [p:36906] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> 73% winning record, 16 million dollars in just prize money, world number 2 at one point. 3 finals appearances in grand slams.If Murray is weak, then I'd hate to be Goran Ivanisevic -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sanctified 07/01/11 10:24:00 AM #215:	Murray just can't win the big one. That's his problem. He gets thrown off his game so easily. -- Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to victory! http://www.last.fm/user/xdevilbunny \|\| http://rateyourmusic.com/~VelociBrad <cite>Sanctified posted [p:36907] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Murray just can't win the big one. That's his problem. He gets thrown off his game so easily. -- Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to victory!http://www.last.fm/user/xdevilbunny \|\| http://rateyourmusic.com/~VelociBrad </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Princess Anri 07/01/11 10:25:00 AM #216:	From: voltch \| #214 73% winning record, 16 million dollars in just prize money, world number 2 at one point. 3 finals appearances in grand slams. If Murray is weak, then I'd hate to be Goran Ivanisevic How much of that prize money would Murray give for that one Wimbledon title though? -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword <cite>Princess Anri posted [p:36908] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> From: voltch \| #21473% winning record, 16 million dollars in just prize money, world number 2 at one point. 3 finals appearances in grand slams.If Murray is weak, then I'd hate to be Goran IvanisevicHow much of that prize money would Murray give for that one Wimbledon title though? -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 07/01/11 10:26:00 AM #217:	How many wimbledon titles would Sampras swap for that one French open. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess <cite>voltch posted [p:36909] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> How many wimbledon titles would Sampras swap for that one French open. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jupizzle 07/01/11 10:26:00 AM #218:	Well, he still hasn't quite lost yet. And I dunno, he's made quite a few missed shots overall, to call that one shot his reason for the loss would be a stretch. <cite>jupizzle posted [p:36910] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Well, he still hasn't quite lost yet.And I dunno, he's made quite a few missed shots overall, to call that one shot his reason for the loss would be a stretch. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 07/01/11 10:26:00 AM #219:	None. -- i'm dumb as hell holy crap -ExThaNemesis <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:36911] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> None. -- i'm dumb as hell holy crap -ExThaNemesis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 07/01/11 10:27:00 AM #220:	*voltch posted...* 73% winning record, 16 million dollars in just prize money, world number 2 at one point. 3 finals appearances in grand slams. If Murray is weak, then I'd hate to be Goran Ivanisevic Also the only man not to win a set in three grand slam final attempts. If that (and this match) doesn't indicate massive mental frailty and weakness at the standard required for a top-level player then what does. Then again, voltch argument etc <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:36912] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> voltch posted...73% winning record, 16 million dollars in just prize money, world number 2 at one point. 3 finals appearances in grand slams.If Murray is weak, then I'd hate to be Goran IvanisevicAlso the only man not to win a set in three grand slam final attempts.If that (and this match) doesn't indicate massive mental frailty and weakness at the standard required for a top-level player then what does.Then again, voltch argument etc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Princess Anri 07/01/11 10:27:00 AM #221:	Come on, we're talking about a guy who is a Grand Slam Champion Choker. Not a guy who simply wasn't suited to clay. Murray is not mentally stable. -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword <cite>Princess Anri posted [p:36913] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Come on, we're talking about a guy who is a Grand Slam Champion Choker.Not a guy who simply wasn't suited to clay.Murray is not mentally stable. -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Princess Anri 07/01/11 10:28:00 AM #222:	From: The Mana Sword \| #219 None. Bulls**. -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam.* - The Mana Sword <cite>Princess Anri posted [p:36914] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> From: The Mana Sword \| #219None.Bulls***. -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 07/01/11 10:28:00 AM #223:	More like Xic, MWCing his facts. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess <cite>voltch posted [p:36915] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> More like Xic, MWCing his facts. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 07/01/11 10:28:00 AM #224:	*jupizzle posted...* Well, he still hasn't quite lost yet. And I dunno, he's made quite a few missed shots overall, to call that one shot his reason for the loss would be a stretch. He was even/superior to Nadal until that point. Has been awful since. Don't see how this isn't obvious. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:36916] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> jupizzle posted...Well, he still hasn't quite lost yet.And I dunno, he's made quite a few missed shots overall, to call that one shot his reason for the loss would be a stretch.He was even/superior to Nadal until that point. Has been awful since. Don't see how this isn't obvious. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 07/01/11 10:29:00 AM #225:	Time to start predicting finals. Sharapova d. Kvitova 7-6(4) 6-3 Djokovic d. Nadal 6-3 6(5)-7 6-4 7-6(7) -- i'm dumb as hell holy crap -ExThaNemesis <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:36917] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Time to start predicting finals.Sharapova d. Kvitova 7-6(4) 6-3Djokovic d. Nadal 6-3 6(5)-7 6-4 7-6(7) -- i'm dumb as hell holy crap -ExThaNemesis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 07/01/11 10:30:00 AM #226:	Kvitova to win wimbledon via Sharapova retirement. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess <cite>voltch posted [p:36918] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Kvitova to win wimbledon via Sharapova retirement. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 07/01/11 10:30:00 AM #227:	Nice argument voltch. Maybe you should read what I say instead of instinctively lashing out at every post I make on the offchance it's rubbish <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:36919] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Nice argument voltch.Maybe you should read what I say instead of instinctively lashing out at every post I make on the offchance it's rubbish </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 07/01/11 10:30:00 AM #228:	My "None" was in response to the Sampras thing, not the Murray one. Murray would give up all $16 million and pay another $16 million out of his own pocket to win Wimbledon. -- i'm dumb as hell holy crap -ExThaNemesis <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:36920] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> My "None" was in response to the Sampras thing, not the Murray one.Murray would give up all $16 million and pay another $16 million out of his own pocket to win Wimbledon. -- i'm dumb as hell holy crap -ExThaNemesis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Princess Anri 07/01/11 10:31:00 AM #229:	Sharapova def Kvitova 6-2, 7-5. Nadal def Djokovic 6-4, 3-6, 7-5, 6-3 Noose def Murray 6-0, 6-0, 6-0 -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword <cite>Princess Anri posted [p:36921] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Sharapova def Kvitova 6-2, 7-5.Nadal def Djokovic 6-4, 3-6, 7-5, 6-3Noose def Murray 6-0, 6-0, 6-0 -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 07/01/11 10:32:00 AM #230:	But you do speak rubbish when it comes to tennis, not my fault if you pretend to understand a sport but don't. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess <cite>voltch posted [p:36922] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> But you do speak rubbish when it comes to tennis, not my fault if you pretend to understand a sport but don't. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Oxbridge 07/01/11 10:32:00 AM #231:	Here's my predictions for the finals (If Nadal loses in the semis, then Djokovic wins in straight sets): Sharapova wins 6-3 7-5 Nadal wins 7-6 6-7 6-4 4-6 8-6 -- Congratulations to BlAcK TuRtLe, the Guru champion for the 2010 GotD. <cite>Oxbridge posted [p:36923] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Here's my predictions for the finals (If Nadal loses in the semis, then Djokovic wins in straight sets):Sharapova wins 6-3 7-5Nadal wins 7-6 6-7 6-4 4-6 8-6 -- Congratulations to BlAcK TuRtLe, the Guru champion for the 2010 GotD. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 07/01/11 10:34:00 AM #232:	Yeah saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. I should try it though. voltch knows nothing about wrestling! voltch knows nothing about wrestling! voltch knows nothing about wrestling! voltch knows nothing about wrestling! voltch knows nothing about wrestling! voltch knows nothing about wrestling! voltch knows nothing about wrestling! voltch knows nothing about wrestling! Oh man is it tru yet <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:36924] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Yeah saying something over and over again doesn't make it true.I should try it though. voltch knows nothing about wrestling! voltch knows nothing about wrestling! voltch knows nothing about wrestling! voltch knows nothing about wrestling! voltch knows nothing about wrestling! voltch knows nothing about wrestling! voltch knows nothing about wrestling! voltch knows nothing about wrestling!Oh man is it tru yet </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Princess Anri 07/01/11 10:40:00 AM #233:	Three aces in that hold. 1 unforced error in that last 14 games. Congrats, Nadal. You're the greatest man alive. -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword <cite>Princess Anri posted [p:36925] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Three aces in that hold.1 unforced error in that last 14 games.Congrats, Nadal.You're the greatest man alive. -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 07/01/11 10:42:00 AM #234:	Whilst Murray obviously isn't as mentally tough as the Top 3, I think it becomes far more exposed by the fact that Nadal just doesn't let up and does not really suffer dips in his game. He's just consistently damn good all match. Against someone else even though his game went to hell, he probably wouldn't have been broke 3 times in a row. It's only the top 3 who really punish his dips in form. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:36926] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Whilst Murray obviously isn't as mentally tough as the Top 3, I think it becomes far more exposed by the fact that Nadal just doesn't let up and does not really suffer dips in his game. He's just consistently damn good all match.Against someone else even though his game went to hell, he probably wouldn't have been broke 3 times in a row. It's only the top 3 who really punish his dips in form. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 07/01/11 10:44:00 AM #235:	Yaaawn, take some chill pills. If losing to a better player made you weak, then every woman who ever faced Graf in her prime is weak. Murray's career sees some statistical anomalies, but hey look Michael Chang's Finals record is bad, he was just lucky to win one. In six years murray has amassed an impressive resume, I don't like him, but I think he is the best trained player on the tour, he just doesn't have the sheer talent some of the other prodigies around him have. Murray actually has beaten these guys before, when you look at his career record, it shows he is going to have wins and losses, it happening in a grand slam doesn't make him weak, its the other guy being that good. Nadal's desire to win is scary you know. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess <cite>voltch posted [p:36927] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Yaaawn, take some chill pills.If losing to a better player made you weak, then every woman who ever faced Graf in her prime is weak.Murray's career sees some statistical anomalies, but hey look Michael Chang's Finals record is bad, he was just lucky to win one.In six years murray has amassed an impressive resume, I don't like him, but I think he is the best trained player on the tour, he just doesn't have the sheer talent some of the other prodigies around him have.Murray actually has beaten these guys before, when you look at his career record, it shows he is going to have wins and losses, it happening in a grand slam doesn't make him weak, its the other guy being that good. Nadal's desire to win is scary you know. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jupizzle 07/01/11 10:45:00 AM #236:	*ShatteredElysium posted...* Whilst Murray obviously isn't as mentally tough as the Top 3, I think it becomes far more exposed by the fact that Nadal just doesn't let up and does not really suffer dips in his game. He's just consistently damn good all match. Against someone else even though his game went to hell, he probably wouldn't have been broke 3 times in a row. It's only the top 3 who really punish his dips in form. ^Agreed big time <cite>jupizzle posted [p:36928] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> ShatteredElysium posted...Whilst Murray obviously isn't as mentally tough as the Top 3, I think it becomes far more exposed by the fact that Nadal just doesn't let up and does not really suffer dips in his game. He's just consistently damn good all match.Against someone else even though his game went to hell, he probably wouldn't have been broke 3 times in a row. It's only the top 3 who really punish his dips in form.^Agreed big time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Princess Anri 07/01/11 10:46:00 AM #237:	From: ShatteredElysium \| #234 Against someone else even though his game went to hell, he probably wouldn't have been broke 3 times in a row. It's only the top 3 who really punish his dips in form. It's not just about this match or just Nadal. Murray can beat Nadal and Federer. He has done it quite often outside of the majors (and he has beat Nadal in majors) but any HUGE stage and he kind of shies away from the winning tennis he is capable of. He doesn't and never will have Federer/Nadal level mental toughness and no one will blame him for that. But (and consider the source here) there is simply no arguing that Andy Murray has GRAND SLAM WINNING TALENT. No arguing. But as of now he doesn't have the head for it. -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword <cite>Princess Anri posted [p:36929] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> From: ShatteredElysium \| #234Against someone else even though his game went to hell, he probably wouldn't have been broke 3 times in a row. It's only the top 3 who really punish his dips in form.It's not just about this match or just Nadal.Murray can beat Nadal and Federer. He has done it quite often outside of the majors (and he has beat Nadal in majors) but any HUGE stage and he kind of shies away from the winning tennis he is capable of.He doesn't and never will have Federer/Nadal level mental toughness and no one will blame him for that.But (and consider the source here) there is simply no arguing that Andy Murray has GRAND SLAM WINNING TALENT.No arguing.But as of now he doesn't have the head for it. -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jupizzle 07/01/11 10:47:00 AM #238:	*XIII_rocks posted...* jupizzle posted... Well, he still hasn't quite lost yet. And I dunno, he's made quite a few missed shots overall, to call that one shot his reason for the loss would be a stretch. He was even/superior to Nadal until that point. Has been awful since. Don't see how this isn't obvious. Yeah, he was more so superior at that point, he was dictating play and beating Nadal consistently in the rallies, and he won the first set. But yeah, I concede lol. <cite>jupizzle posted [p:36930] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> XIII_rocks posted...jupizzle posted...Well, he still hasn't quite lost yet.And I dunno, he's made quite a few missed shots overall, to call that one shot his reason for the loss would be a stretch.He was even/superior to Nadal until that point. Has been awful since. Don't see how this isn't obvious.Yeah, he was more so superior at that point, he was dictating play and beating Nadal consistently in the rallies, and he won the first set.But yeah, I concede lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 07/01/11 10:48:00 AM #239:	I disagree, Murray has the toughness to do it, but you see WHO he loses to, its not just anybody, he's up against two of the best guys in history and a frightningly good Djokovic. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess <cite>voltch posted [p:36931] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> I disagree, Murray has the toughness to do it, but you see WHO he loses to, its not just anybody, he's up against two of the best guys in history and a frightningly good Djokovic. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Princess Anri 07/01/11 10:49:00 AM #240:	From: voltch \| #239 I disagree, Murray has the toughness to do it, but you see WHO he loses to, its not just anybody, he's up against two of the best guys in history and a frightningly good Djokovic. Yeah but he CAN beat those guys. He does it often. The only difference is getting it done on a big stage. I mean, unless you think it is because he is not fit for five sets (and that isn't that case). -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword <cite>Princess Anri posted [p:36932] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> From: voltch \| #239I disagree, Murray has the toughness to do it, but you see WHO he loses to, its not just anybody, he's up against two of the best guys in history and a frightningly good Djokovic.Yeah but he CAN beat those guys.He does it often.The only difference is getting it done on a big stage.I mean, unless you think it is because he is not fit for five sets (and that isn't that case). -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 07/01/11 10:53:00 AM #241:	I would say Murray has been unlucky to be consistently be matched up against guys who excel at this type of tournament. I mean I don't think its Murray being weaker as it is them raising their games, imagine if Murray was playing when say Thomas Johansson got his Slam out of the blue, weird things just happen from time to time. Or look at last year's wimminz Roland Garros, there's a fair bit of luck involved. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess <cite>voltch posted [p:36933] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> I would say Murray has been unlucky to be consistently be matched up against guys who excel at this type of tournament.I mean I don't think its Murray being weaker as it is them raising their games, imagine if Murray was playing when say Thomas Johansson got his Slam out of the blue, weird things just happen from time to time.Or look at last year's wimminz Roland Garros, there's a fair bit of luck involved. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 07/01/11 10:53:00 AM #242:	"If losing to a better player made you weak, then every woman who ever faced Graf in her prime is weak." This is why your arguments suck. It's like a lack of...subtlety, I guess? Are you completely unaware that my complaints here are not about him losing the match but the MANNER in which he is losing? Seriously. This isn't just a "loss". He hasn't lost three tight tiebreaks or something. This is an absolute capitulation, nothing less. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:36934] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> "If losing to a better player made you weak, then every woman who ever faced Graf in her prime is weak."This is why your arguments suck. It's like a lack of...subtlety, I guess? Are you completely unaware that my complaints here are not about him losing the match but the MANNER in which he is losing? Seriously. This isn't just a "loss". He hasn't lost three tight tiebreaks or something. This is an absolute capitulation, nothing less. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 07/01/11 10:55:00 AM #243:	Murray can and probably will win a slam (probably the US Open if any) but he barring him playing fantastically towards to latter stages he is relying on the big guns being taken out by someone else. When you consider the sheer amount of SF and Finals appearance they have racked up between them over the years it is scary. If you swap Murray and Henman, Murray probably wins several slams in Henman's career where there was only really Sampras above his level. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:36935] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Murray can and probably will win a slam (probably the US Open if any) but he barring him playing fantastically towards to latter stages he is relying on the big guns being taken out by someone else.When you consider the sheer amount of SF and Finals appearance they have racked up between them over the years it is scary. If you swap Murray and Henman, Murray probably wins several slams in Henman's career where there was only really Sampras above his level. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 07/01/11 10:55:00 AM #244:	Nothing wrong with being direct, you try to dance around the fact that you are pretty clueless. You said he is weak, I say he is strong, but just facing stronger guys, nothing wrong with facing some really strong guys in the semis of wimbledon is there. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess <cite>voltch posted [p:36936] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Nothing wrong with being direct, you try to dance around the fact that you are pretty clueless.You said he is weak, I say he is strong, but just facing stronger guys, nothing wrong with facing some really strong guys in the semis of wimbledon is there. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Princess Anri 07/01/11 10:58:00 AM #245:	Out of curiosity, XIII, how many more Wimbledons and US Opens do you think it will take for Nadal to be the best ever? -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword <cite>Princess Anri posted [p:36937] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Out of curiosity, XIII, how many more Wimbledons and US Opens do you think it will take for Nadal to be the best ever? -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 07/01/11 10:58:00 AM #246:	4 more Wimbledons, 4 more US Opens -- i'm dumb as hell holy crap -ExThaNemesis <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:36938] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> 4 more Wimbledons, 4 more US Opens -- i'm dumb as hell holy crap -ExThaNemesis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 07/01/11 10:59:00 AM #247:	And 5 more Olympic Gold medals. -- i'm dumb as hell holy crap -ExThaNemesis <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:36939] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> And 5 more Olympic Gold medals. -- i'm dumb as hell holy crap -ExThaNemesis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 07/01/11 10:59:00 AM #248:	From: ShatteredElysium \| #243 Murray can and probably will win a slam (probably the US Open if any) but he barring him playing fantastically towards to latter stages he is relying on the big guns being taken out by someone else. When you consider the sheer amount of SF and Finals appearance they have racked up between them over the years it is scary. If you swap Murray and Henman, Murray probably wins several slams in Henman's career where there was only really Sampras above his level. Murray's still young and he might sneak one in eventually, but man, Sampras I saw some of his stuff when he wasn't in his prime, he'd be unbeatable. Assuming of course Murray goes through the same conditioning and training process the 1990s had, since physically these athletes are better and the balls are different, the racquets are different and even the surface isn't exactly the same. You have people now talking about wimbledon being slower and Roland Garros being faster than before. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess <cite>voltch posted [p:36940] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> From: ShatteredElysium \| #243Murray can and probably will win a slam (probably the US Open if any) but he barring him playing fantastically towards to latter stages he is relying on the big guns being taken out by someone else.When you consider the sheer amount of SF and Finals appearance they have racked up between them over the years it is scary. If you swap Murray and Henman, Murray probably wins several slams in Henman's career where there was only really Sampras above his level.Murray's still young and he might sneak one in eventually, but man, Sampras I saw some of his stuff when he wasn't in his prime, he'd be unbeatable.Assuming of course Murray goes through the same conditioning and training process the 1990s had, since physically these athletes are better and the balls are different, the racquets are different and even the surface isn't exactly the same. You have people now talking about wimbledon being slower and Roland Garros being faster than before. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: Sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Princess Anri 07/01/11 11:00:00 AM #249:	From: The Mana Sword \| #246 4 more Wimbledons, 4 more US Opens lol 4 MORE Wimbledons? Let's say he ends up with 7 or 8 total French Opens. Be serious, what do his other totals have to be for him to be the best ever? (don't even think about Masters Series since he's already the all time leader there) -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword <cite>Princess Anri posted [p:36941] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> From: The Mana Sword \| #2464 more Wimbledons, 4 more US Openslol 4 MORE Wimbledons?Let's say he ends up with 7 or 8 total French Opens.Be serious, what do his other totals have to be for him to be the best ever? (don't even think about Masters Series since he's already the all time leader there) -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 07/01/11 11:01:00 AM #250:	Yeah but Sampras is only one man and did not win every single slam across the course of his career. That's the point I'm making. Back then Murray would have only needed Sampras to fail to stand a real chance. However now he is relying on Nadal, Djoko and Federer to have a bad match/be taken out by someone else. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:36942] in Rafael Nad... [t:59590413]...</cite> <quote> Yeah but Sampras is only one man and did not win every single slam across the course of his career. That's the point I'm making. Back then Murray would have only needed Sampras to fail to stand a real chance. However now he is relying on Nadal, Djoko and Federer to have a bad match/be taken out by someone else. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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