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HaRRicH 07/13/23 11:36:23 AM #1: |
What is most fair regarding Sheik's eligibility in CB11?
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...just revisiting since I last polled about this over four years ago. Also, can we has contest plz? --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://i.imgur.com/OpudFxm.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 07/13/23 11:39:50 AM #2: |
Still no --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Grimlyn 07/13/23 11:40:44 AM #3: |
might as well be asking if Gerudo Link should be eligible --- http://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MoogleKupo141 07/13/23 11:41:23 AM #4: |
Leonhart4 posted... Still no --- For your Azuarc . At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HaRRicH 07/13/23 11:46:41 AM #5: |
Still yes. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://i.imgur.com/OpudFxm.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 07/13/23 11:48:48 AM #6: |
As someone who never finished any Zelda game except Minish Cap, sure. She's different enough in SSB4 and SSBU. --- "A blank page or canvas, his favorite. So many possibilities." - RIP Stephen Sondheim, 1930-2021 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Xeybozn 07/13/23 12:08:48 PM #7: |
Sure, and let's split Ganon and Ganondorf too. Also, count each version of Link as a different character while we're at it. Nobody cares about characters from other series anyway. --- Congrats to 2020 GotD Guru champ azuarc! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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jcgamer107 07/13/23 12:09:22 PM #8: |
HaRRicH posted... Still yes. --- azuarc wasn't even home. he was playing Magic the Gathering at his buddy's store, which is extremely easy to verify ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 07/13/23 12:13:02 PM #9: |
Let's allow FFVII Cloud, Remake Cloud, and Kingdom Hearts Cloud. Heck, let's thrown in AC Cloud and Dissidia Cloud. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 07/13/23 12:14:17 PM #10: |
Ehrgeiz Cloud vs. FFT Cloud for finals. --- "A blank page or canvas, his favorite. So many possibilities." - RIP Stephen Sondheim, 1930-2021 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Forceful_Dragon 07/13/23 12:25:11 PM #11: |
Squall (FF8) vs Leon (KH) Please and thank you --- ~C~ FD http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 07/13/23 12:28:43 PM #12: |
Oh I totally forgot about Theatrhythm Cloud Both versions! --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kenri 07/13/23 12:29:10 PM #13: |
I think it's fine. Back in like 2005 it wouldn't have been but the boundaries have been pushed a lot since then. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Underleveled 07/13/23 12:31:46 PM #14: |
I really feel no, but I'm fine with the outnominating Zelda thing as a compromise. --- darkx Games beaten in 2023 - 7; Most recent - Professor Layton and the Curious Village ... Copied to Clipboard!
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firefdr 07/13/23 12:44:00 PM #15: |
yeah let's also count all megamans separately while we're at it! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Grimlyn 07/13/23 12:55:14 PM #16: |
Underleveled posted... but I'm fine with the outnominating Zelda thing as a compromiseget ready to replace Link with Goron Link and then go for the double-wammy by nomming Link the Goron along side him for the complete kill we nom Darunia's son, Link of the Gorons --- http://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZenOfThunder 07/13/23 1:40:23 PM #17: |
at this point if we are lucky enough to get another character battle I do not give a fuck who makes it. just give me the contest plz --- (|| ' ' ||) elite beat agents 2 when . /|_|\ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 07/13/23 1:47:12 PM #18: |
Just open it up to all fictional characters who've been in a video game and we don't need a lesser version of the same character --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HaRRicH 07/13/23 1:57:00 PM #19: |
So no Zelda, just Sheik then -- got it. I can compromise with dropping the lesser character. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://i.imgur.com/OpudFxm.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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swirIdude 07/13/23 1:57:03 PM #20: |
ZenOfThunder posted... at this point if we are lucky enough to get another character battle I do not give a fuck who makes it. just give me the contest plz --- Azuarc is my favorite arc of the Game of the Decade 2020 anime. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 07/13/23 2:16:11 PM #21: |
HaRRicH posted... So no Zelda, just Sheik then -- got it. I can compromise with dropping the lesser character. Not even you actually believe Sheik could beat Zelda head to head, which is why it is so bizarre to me that this is the hill you've chosen to die on And the hill of "hey wouldn't another popular Zelda character in these contests be cool, we don't have enough of those" --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Seanchan 07/13/23 2:36:33 PM #22: |
Mega Man X shouldn't have ever been separated from Mega Man. --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MoogleKupo141 07/13/23 2:44:12 PM #23: |
X and Mega Man are at least genuinely different robots. Sheik is Zelda in a costume. They are not distinct entities. Its like having both Batman and Bruce Wayne in a contest. --- For your Azuarc . At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HaRRicH 07/13/23 2:55:52 PM #24: |
Sheik's just so much better in Smash and it sucks to not want to vote for Zelda much when Sheik's a personal favorite. I believed Sheik > Zelda at the time I first planned the rally, which is to say between when Metalman lost and Zelda wrecked Squall revealing what BotW did for her. Sheik is still significantly better and very different in Smash thus the inspiration here -- still believe that. This is a site where LoZ is the single-player king and Smash is the multi-player king. Yes, they should have new characters represented when they get the nominations. Also there are not as many LoZ characters (seven I think) as series like Final Fantasy,, Pokemon,, Mario, Smash, I think Metal Gear Solid...heck, Super Meat Boy's had seven characters too if I want to stretch the point. LoZ's always been underserved on characters given the size of its series here. And one of the most fun things is rallying for a character to get in -- Doc Louis, Epona, Metalman, those were all fun to try and I got two of them in (one for a vote-in). We've about seen it all here and Sheik offers something exciting we haven't seen, plus I legitimately main her in at least three SSB games...so call it dying on a hill, but it's fun to shoot that shot in case the contests ever return. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://i.imgur.com/OpudFxm.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 07/13/23 3:00:56 PM #25: |
I'm sorry you only want to vote for a very specific version of Zelda but Sheik is still Zelda You might like Samus out of the suit more than in it but it doesn't mean we should have Zero Suit Samus as a separate entrant --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HaRRicH 07/13/23 3:04:05 PM #26: |
More people want Sheik than Zero Suit Samus and I don't think it'd be close -- only in part because Samus's name is in both. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://i.imgur.com/OpudFxm.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 07/13/23 3:09:53 PM #27: |
Irrelevant point, the principle for wanting either is the same, it's a desire to vote for a specific version of a character instead of the character as a whole --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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squexa 07/13/23 3:14:53 PM #28: |
What about tetra? --- congrats to azuarc, our GotD2 guru! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HaRRicH 07/13/23 3:19:25 PM #29: |
"Irrelevant point," Sheik is appealing for different reasons than Zelda. Nevermind the looks and name difference -- nobody plays as Sheik and thinks Sheik behaves, controls, moves, or fights like Zelda. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://i.imgur.com/OpudFxm.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HaRRicH 07/13/23 3:26:12 PM #30: |
squexa posted... What about tetra? I believe Smash makes a significant difference here, but also if Tetra out-nominated Zelda then that's a legitimate case in its own right. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://i.imgur.com/OpudFxm.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 07/13/23 3:26:37 PM #31: |
HaRRicH posted... "Irrelevant point," Sheik is appealing for different reasons than Zelda. Nevermind the looks and name difference -- nobody plays as Sheik and thinks Sheik behaves, controls, moves, or fights like Zelda. That's how alter egos tend to work, yeah --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Maniac64 07/13/23 3:38:23 PM #32: |
Shiek is Zelda. They are the same character. --- "Hope is allowed to be stupid, unwise, and naive." ~Sir Chris ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pjbasis 07/13/23 4:03:00 PM #33: |
These slippery slope arguments are terrible. Sheik is a distinct character that happened to be Zelda in her first appearance. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 07/13/23 4:05:59 PM #34: |
pjbasis posted... These slippery slope arguments are terrible. And in every subsequent appearance Smash never tries to say Sheik isn't Zelda --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pjbasis 07/13/23 4:06:27 PM #35: |
Not in smash 4 or ultimate! --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MoogleKupo141 07/13/23 4:14:59 PM #36: |
pjbasis posted... Not in smash 4 or ultimate! Smash Bros. characters are just their normal selves but in Smash Bros. Sheik is still Zelda in Smash Bros. because Sheik has only ever been Zelda. Thats who Sheik is. Giving Sheik a separate character select slot doesnt make her a canonically distinct person. --- For your Azuarc . At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pjbasis 07/13/23 4:19:44 PM #37: |
Brawl Zelda transformed into Sheik despite Brawl Zelda never doing that! Sheik is just sheik. The designs from twilight princess were independent of Zelda iirc I mean whatever maybe it hasn't happened yet but mark my words she will be used as a non Zelda character one day. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MoogleKupo141 07/13/23 4:22:05 PM #39: |
pjbasis posted... Brawl Zelda transformed into Sheik despite Brawl Zelda never doing that! clearly all Zeldas secretly have the ability to become Sheik if they want to, they mostly just dont want to --- For your Azuarc . At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 07/13/23 4:24:12 PM #40: |
UltimaterializerX posted... Even Smash Bros recognizes Sheik as a separate entity, and this isn't a ZSS or Dark Samus issue where it's just a palette swap. Fighting game roster slots should never be used as a game "recognizing" something to be a separate entity. Fighting games make alternate versions of the same character all the time. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Grimlyn 07/13/23 4:25:02 PM #41: |
pjbasis posted... Not in smash 4 or ultimate!they also did away with Samus/ZSS Final Smash switching different people confirmed --- http://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MoogleKupo141 07/13/23 4:30:36 PM #42: |
UltimaterializerX posted... Even Smash Bros recognizes Sheik as a separate entity, and this isn't a ZSS or Dark Samus issue where it's just a palette swap. Dark Samus is a different being that is not Samus and ZSS is just as much a unique character in Smash Bros. as Sheik is. Theres not really an argument for Sheik that doesnt also apply to letting ZSS in as a separate entrant from Samus. even in SSBU theres some text that basically says Sheik is Zelda. Sheik has never been her own, separate person. --- For your Azuarc . At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HaRRicH 07/13/23 5:27:03 PM #43: |
Zero Suit Samus, Dr. Mario, and the likes of them have never tried to convince people they were someone else. Sheik did. Iriquois Pliskin, Jaycee, and the likes of them were never very convincing they were someone else. Sheik was. Zelda was in three games before Sheik's premiere and was never as cool as Sheik was up to that point. Sheik was immediately a fan favorite. At the peak of Zelda's popularity, we were believing in Sheik. If one game's ending and two games' Down-B moves didn't link them together, there wouldn't be any point in contesting this. Those things obviously happened and I won't act obtuse about that -- I get the opposition here -- but also don't act obtuse about how different Sheik and Zelda are and why people could feel differently about one as opposed to another. Sheik is not analogous to clone characters or different colors of Yoshis. EDIT: or characters in disguise, like Mariachi Raiden or Crossdressing Cloud. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://i.imgur.com/OpudFxm.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Grimlyn 07/13/23 5:43:05 PM #45: |
HaRRicH posted... If one game's ending and two games' Down-B moves didn't link them together, there wouldn't be any point in contesting this.i refuse to believe you're typing this with a straight face --- http://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 07/13/23 5:54:48 PM #46: |
"If Zelda and Sheik weren't the same character, we wouldn't be contesting this" Yes you're correct --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hbthebattle 07/13/23 5:56:04 PM #47: |
dark samus should also be allowed actually --- :) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 07/13/23 5:58:47 PM #48: |
Hbthebattle posted... dark samus should also be allowed actually As should Dark Link, yes --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MoogleKupo141 07/13/23 6:00:27 PM #49: |
At the peak of Zelda's popularity, we were believing in Sheik. If one game's ending and two games' Down-B moves didn't link them together, there wouldn't be any point in contesting this. every game with any sort of story that features Sheik makes it clear that Sheik is Zelda. Its not just OoT at this point. SSB Brawl and Hyrule Warriors do it too. Sheik does not exist as anything other than an alter ego of Zelda Those things obviously happened and I won't act obtuse about that -- I get the opposition here -- but also don't act obtuse about how different Sheik and Zelda are and why people could feel differently about one as opposed to another. but theyre not different. Youre compartmentalizing elements of one character. Sheik is Zelda, whatever you like about Sheik its also Zelda. Sheik is not analogous to clone characters or different colors of Yoshis. but she is very directly analogous to a superhero persona. Its Batman and Bruce Wayne. One character who presents themself in two very different ways, but still one character. --- For your Azuarc . At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Grimlyn 07/13/23 6:04:31 PM #50: |
y'know if the Wizard of Oz ended a few minutes earlier i might've worshipped Oz myself --- http://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kenri 07/13/23 6:16:03 PM #51: |
I don't think we've had --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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