Board 8 > Vince McMahon retires

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https://www.cagesideseats.com/platform/amp/wwe/2022/7/22/23274705/vince-mcmahon-retires-wwe-nda-scandal

This is Vince McMahon. I won't believe anything he says or does even if endless reports come out. This guy once booked himself against God. Retirement sounds too good to be true.

Third-best word that could follow Vince McMahon, losing out to "arrested" and "dies."

that is for the best but also I give it about six months before he comes back

The ultimate rule of pro wrestling is that retirement is meaningless, which means the only thing his real retirement can involve is him showing up to live events every few months to get people talking but never actually being part of the show. Until he dies, and it comes out that he was secretly still head writer the entire time.

He still got a lot left in the tank!

NBIceman posted...

Third-best word that could follow Vince McMahon, losing out to "arrested" and "dies."

Why would you want him to die?

NBIceman posted...

Third-best word that could follow Vince McMahon, losing out to "arrested" and "dies."

Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement

Strife2 posted...

This is Vince McMahon. I won't believe anything he says or does even if endless reports come out. This guy once booked himself against God. Retirement sounds too good to be true.

realistically hes only retiring in an official capacity, but hell continue to pulll strings behind the scenes

He'll come out of retirement if he pays himself Saudi appearance money

MarkS2222222222 posted...

Why would you want him to die?

Thought this was a trick question and then I saw who posted it.

NBIceman posted...

Thought this was a trick question and then I saw who posted it.

I don't know what you mean by that but I was asking sincerely

MarkS2222222222 posted...

I don't know what you mean by that but I was asking sincerely

Because he is a sexual abuser who has hurt a lot of people and gone out of his way to try and ruin some people's lives.

Maniac64 posted...

Because he is a sexual abuser who has hurt a lot of people and gone out of his way to try and ruin some people's lives.

So death?

MarkS2222222222 posted...

I don't know what you mean by that but I was asking sincerely

Apologies, then. I'll stick to the highlights.

• Literally raped at least one person, likely more and likely multiple times
• Covered up other sexual assaults, one of which involved an on-screen talent who eventually committed suicide, another of which happened just two years ago and involved multiple minors, etc.
• Covered up an actual murder
• Covered up a child molestation ring
• Accepted blood money from and produced propaganda for a horrific murderous and sexist nation, then abandoned an entire plane of employees (oh, excuse me, independent contractors) to be held hostage by the aforementioned nation, then continued to run shows for the aforementioned nation even after the hostage situation
• Directly contributed to the death of Owen Hart, failed to even stop the show that was going on after his death, and ran a decades-long smear campaign painting his widow as a horrible bitter woman simply because she didn't want the company that killed him to make further profit off of his name and image
• Was complicit in multiple steroid scandals, one of which contributed (alongside CTE, which Vince also has a checkered history with) to a double-murder-suicide
• Fired dozens upon dozens of people in the smack middle of a global pandemic for "budget cuts" while posting record revenue and profits, including, for example, Allison Danger, who was hired in October '21 and fired in January '22 a couple of weeks after having moved her entire family to Florida for the job
• Tried to pop a television rating by exploiting the wife of a wrestler who died hours previously

Do I need to keep going? Hell, the worst might be yet to come - the man is attempting to flee the limelight just weeks removed from allegations that prompted him to go backstage at his company and scream, "Fuck 'em!" If that's the response that those allegations prompted, what do you think this decision heralds in terms of something he's trying to get out in front of?

Even if the WWE propaganda machine has successfully brainwashed you into thinking that McMahon was a net positive for pro wrestling business, he's an absolutely worthless scumbag of a human being and the world would have been much better off if he had never existed. There's no force on earth that could pay back even a fraction of the ruination he's inflicted on countless people's lives, so I just have to hope there's a Hell that will do that instead.

If a politician was discovered tomorrow to have done even 10% of what we know for a fact that Vince is guilty of, half this board would be calling for a public execution.

MarkS2222222222 posted...

So death?

People have different underlying values and believe in different level of consequences, some seeing death as a viable karmic consequence

That or internet-style modern-day-style exhaggeration

I think wishing death on someone is extreme and says more about how much of a douchebag they are than the person they wish death on. Vince may have done some shit, but pulling a Ryback and saying, "I want him and his old ass mother to fucking die." is pretty classless.

It's fine he's retired to go, "hooray," or whatever, but still respect that he worked his ass off to make WWE what it is. That's the decent response anyway. But this is social media: decency and class can't compete with memes.

Strife2 posted...

but still respect that he worked his ass off to make WWE what it is.

I do not respect that he worked hard by covering up a murder, covered up sexual assaults, covered up his own indiscretions, etc., etc. to make a largely unwatchable product in 2022.

I can say that without wishing death or whatever, but I mean, I have zero, zero, zero respect for a person who does any of what Vince McMahon has done in regards to the treatment of human beings. I stopped watching wrestling entirely BECAUSE I was so disgusted by his prior bad acts.

Strife2 posted...

but still respect that he worked his ass off to make WWE what it is.

So what?

He worked hard to make himself a lot of money and we should respect that rather than focus on all the literal crimes he committed and lives he has knowingly ruined?

Also what WWE is? You mean a company that has crushed interest in the wrestling industry since the day they bought WCW? A company that has in the last decade+ been ashamed to be called wrestling and use wrestling terms? A company in decline that has wasted the talents of dozens if not hundreds of talented wrestlers and lucked into or hired from other promotions most of its biggest stars?

Strife2 posted...

I think wishing death on someone is extreme and says more about how much of a douchebag they are than the person they wish death on. Vince may have done some shit, but pulling a Ryback and saying, "I want him and his old ass mother to fucking die." is pretty classless.

It's fine he's retired to go, "hooray," or whatever, but still respect that he worked his ass off to make WWE what it is. That's the decent response anyway. But this is social media: decency and class can't compete with memes.

I dunno I think Iceman makes a pretty good argument about how Vince has irrevocably ruined lives in a way that transcends "He made television I liked."

Like is anyone saying "We need to respect the work that Harvey Weinstein put in to make so many of the movies we loved"? Vince literally killed a man because he wanted one less second of lagged airtime on his show, and then he demonized his widow for decades. Iceman listed every horrific thing that Vince has done that is life-ruining to people, and you want people to respect him because he made some TV you liked.

Fuck him. He deserves no respect.

Fine. Wishing death on anyone is a bridge too far. I stick to that.

Strife2 posted...

Fine. Wishing death on anyone is a bridge too far. I stick to that.

I mean I agree with that but I also get why some people are doing so.

But there is a big difference between "don't wish death on people" and "you should respect him"

I get it. I said "respect him." and am getting railed. Please stop.

Like even today, Vince McMahon is changing the names of accused pedophiles and sexual abusers in his company so that they are less likely to be found out.

His top prospect is an accused of sexual misconduct of minors that he was personally trying to make the next big thing in his company, and he dropped his first name so it's less likely to find the allegations.

Fuck Vince McMahon

Yeah, I don't think Vince is a respectable human being by any stretch of the imagination (I also don't believe he'll completely abdicate power. People like him rarely do unless they're forced to do so), but I'm also hesitant to wish death on anyone or celebrate their deaths when they do die.

Strife2 posted...

I get it. I said "respect him." and am getting railed. Please stop.

i imagine it will depend on whether you continue to respect him

Strife2 posted...

I get it. I said "respect him." and am getting railed. Please stop.

only if you take it back

why would you respect a rapist lol

I generally just stay out of convos like that, if the person is crummy enough not to have my sympathy

Ah yes. Hypocritical moral supremacy going on in this topic. Always love seeing it.

Irrespective of that observation, Vince made a lot of people happy as well as miserable. He played up to the "carnie" origins of wrestling as long as he could. Better or worse, he built a megalith with WWE and cemented a legacy most would only dream of. He had a special eye and special perspective for his company. That will be missed.

AriaOfBolo posted...

I generally just stay out of convos like that, if the person is crummy enough not to have my sympathy

That's the healthiest approach, but for someone like Martha Hart or the family of Nancy Argentino, I think they are entirely entitled to celebrate the death of someone who intentionally and irreparably damaged their lives. I don't have that right, but I wouldn't begrudge them the opportunity.

I would certainly hope everyone on B8 is morally superior to Vince McMahon

I really am not sure why people are ragging on me so much. I tried to make a point, only to get railed for something else. Hyper focusing on the "respect thing" rather than my main point of "Wishing death is wrong."

All I'm asking is people leave me alone. I already said it was a mistake to say it. What's to take back when I already asked people to just leave it alone? My point was the death angle. As I keep saying. I brought it up and got railed for it. Now I just want it to be left alone...

If Hitler was reborn into the modern day, would people maintain this opinion of "Don't wish death on anyone"?

I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, comparing Vince McMahon to Hitler. But are we really going to sit here and pretend there's not a threshold of evil that a human being can cross where it becomes perfectly reasonable to think the world might be better off without them in it?

Your threshold might be higher than mine. That's fine. But again, I've seen more than a handful of topics on this board where politicians die and people post some version of "Good riddance, piece of shit" and no one bats an eye.

_PandaMaster_ posted...

Better or worse

I think what we take umbrage with is that there is "better" when it comes to murder, sexual assault, cover-ups that prevent justice for the families of victims, toxic environments, supporting corrupt regimes, etc. Pretty easy to be morally superior to that. Except for Pandamaster?

NBIceman posted...

If Hitler was reborn into the modern day, would people maintain this opinion of "Don't wish death on anyone"?

I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, comparing Vince McMahon to Hitler. But are we really going to sit here and pretend there's not a threshold of evil that a human being can cross where it becomes perfectly reasonable to think the world might be better off without them in it?

Your threshold might be higher than mine. That's fine. But again, I've seen more than a handful of topics on this board where politicians die and people post some version of "Good riddance, piece of shit" and no one bats an eye.

But you don't understand, Vince McMahon came up with the Gobbedly Gouker. We must protect his legacy.

_PandaMaster_ posted...

Irrespective of that observation, Vince made a lot of people happy as well as miserable. He played up to the "carnie" origins of wrestling as long as he could. Better or worse, he built a megalith with WWE and cemented a legacy most would only dream of. He had a special eye and special perspective for his company. That will be missed.

"Irrespective of that observation, Harvey Weinstein made a lot of people happy as well as miserable. He played up to the sleazy origins of filmmaking as long as he could. Better or worse, he built a megalith with Miramax and cemented a legacy most would only dream of. He had a special eye and special perspective for his company. That will be missed."

Go on, you try it yourself. Replace a few words here and there with your favorite criminal celebrity and see how it sounds. It's like a mad lib.

Strife2 posted...

I really am not sure why people are ragging on me so much. I tried to make a point, only to get railed for something else. Hyper focusing on the "respect thing" rather than my main point of "Wishing death is wrong

Because you aren't alone in the respect thing (see panda's post) and we are sick of seeing it so we are going to push back on it. It's far too common among WWE fans atm.

It's frustrating seeing people thank and praise a rapist who was forced into retirement because his crimes are staring to come out because they liked his entertainment company.

_PandaMaster_ posted...

Ah yes. Hypocritical moral supremacy going on in this topic. Always love seeing it.

Irrespective of that observation, Vince made a lot of people happy as well as miserable. He played up to the "carnie" origins of wrestling as long as he could. Better or worse, he built a megalith with WWE and cemented a legacy most would only dream of. He had a special eye and special perspective for his company. That will be missed.

Vince McMahon wanted Owen Hart to come down from the rafters on a zipline.

Vince McMahon hired the person who did it for Sting, a serious Hollywood stunt professional.

Vince McMahon was not happy with the speed in which Owen Hart would come down this zipline. The professional told him that it wasn't possible to do safely.

Vince McMahon told him to fuck off and wanted it to be faster than Sting's zipline and hired more professionals.

Vince McMahon fired all of those professionals because they told him the same thing.

Vince McMahon hired an amateur who told him that he could get it cut down by a second and used lighter materials that were unsafe.

Vince McMahon watched Owen Hart die as a result of that in the middle of his ring.

Vince McMahon cleaned up his corpse and forced the show to go on and Owen's peers and friends to keep wrestling that night after watching him die.

Vince McMahon denied all wrongdoing and gaslit the public over what happened entirely to absolve himself of any wrongdoing in their eyes.

Vince McMahon went through a lengthy legal battle with Owen Hart's widow, stretching it out purposefully to drain her of all of her money.

Vince McMahon settled for a low cost with Owen Hart's widow after she had no more money to legally fight for the truth.

Vince McMahon demonized and made Owen Hart's widow seem like a crazy person who held a grudge "over an accident" to the public because she didn't want WWE to profit off of her husband, who Vince McMahon killed.

Vince McMahon made a product that made people happy.

People here definitely still bat an eye at others wishing death or celebrating death. It probably doesn't get debated here as much as it used to because people get tired of having the same argument every time it pops up.

_PandaMaster_ posted...

Ah yes. Hypocritical moral supremacy going on in this topic. Always love seeing it.

Irrespective of that observation, Vince made a lot of people happy as well as miserable. He played up to the "carnie" origins of wrestling as long as he could. Better or worse, he built a megalith with WWE and cemented a legacy most would only dream of. He had a special eye and special perspective for his company. That will be missed.

People's entertainment is not worth the misery imo, those things are not equal.

Maniac64 posted...

Because you aren't alone in the respect thing (see panda's post) and we are sick of seeing it so we are going to push back on it. It's far too common among WWE fans atm.

It's frustrating seeing people thank and praise a rapist who was forced into retirement because his crimes are staring to come out because they liked his entertainment company.

Fair. That was all I was looking for. The problem I was having was nearly every other response to me was , "DURR YOU DUMB WANNA TAKE THAT BACK YOU DICKFUCK? Respect him lol!". I'm sitting here going, "Dude...the fuck did I get myself into."

I understand not liking what I said, but it felt like I was being dogpiled, rather than it being a back and forth discourse, especially since all was adking for was, "chill out a little."

It was coming off as personal attacks on ME (or the moral superiority thing). Just for saying a thing out of context.

Maniac at least responded as if he wasn't hounding me. Like holding up a stop sign to deflect getting pelted with cans or something.

I wasn't intending to start shit either. Was just caught off guard by all the negativity thrown at me which....felt a bit much.

Vince McMahon deserves punishment, not death though. It doesn't matter all the good entertainment he gave us back in the day. Like you're gonna let go someone who discover the cure of cancer and don't punish him/her for raping or murdering. The guy should rot in jail.

Strife2 posted...

I understand not liking what I said, but it felt like I was being dogpiled, rather than it being a back and forth discourse, especially since all was adking for was, "chill out a little."

No one at all attacked you personally or even came close to HURRDURR. They disagreed with your opinion. No one called you a name or anything, if anything they were more upset at the stuff vince has done. They said "No I don't think he deserves respect and here's why." If that's what you call dogpiling, on a place which is a public forum where everyone is allowed to state their position even when that position has been stated, I don't know what to tell you except think harder about what you post next time and whether you can handle the dissent.

You're absolutely allowed your opinion, just as others are allowed theirs. But you straight up called people who wish death on someone like vince a DOUCHEBAG. You attacked others, no one attacked you, and even if they did, you would have started that. I understand you apologized and admit you shouldn't have said it but you absolutely shouldn't be playing a victim here.

Imo you knew what you meant and your intended main point, and it's fine to let people not be convinced of such, and further responses will just frustrate you more when people will continue to retort so it may be best to walk away without another post (for more people to respond to, which will make you want to respond further), for your own mental health

Strife2 posted...

I get it. I said "respect him." and am getting railed. Please stop.

McMahon wouldn't stop.

Just read about the Owen Hart story
I don't know whose fault it was in reality, not going to bother to fact-check everything about this, but...
The fuck did they continue the show for? I know a lot of people spent money and time to go to see the event and it would disappoint a lot of them if they had to go back home without seeing anything
But a man just died
Seriously what the fuck, take the L for this, refund everyone and apologize, it's not like something like this happens often (thanksfully..)
Yeah I can't defend this

GTM posted...

Imo you knew what you meant and your intended main point, and it's fine to let people not be convinced of such, and further responses will just frustrate you more when people will continue to retort so it may be best to walk away without another post (for more people to respond to, which will make you want to respond further), for your own mental health

That's pretty much what happened. Oh well. It's one day. Shit happens.

Nanis23 posted...

Just read about the Owen Hart story
I don't know whose fault it was in reality, not going to bother to fact-check everything about this, but...
The fuck did they continue the show for? I know a lot of people spent money and time to go to see the event and it would disappoint a lot of them if they had to go back home without seeing anything
But a man just died
Seriously what the fuck, take the L for this, refund everyone and apologize, it's not like something like this happens often (thanksfully..)
Yeah I can't defend this

I outlined what happened in post 39, and that's entirely with the fact checking of everything.

Vince McMahon knew that putting Owen Hart on that zipline was unsafe because multiple experts in that field told him so, and some amateur scab said he could make it happen. He did it because he wanted it one second faster over a grudge that he didn't want Sting to do it faster than his guy.

It is 100% his fault.

Edit: Check out Dark Side of the Ring's episode on Owen Hart if you want the whole story in more detail. You will be fucking SHOCKED when you see the size of the hook that was expected to hold a 200+ pound man for the length of a zipline.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

It is 100% his fault

Hey now it is also the fault of the idiot amateur that ran it.