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joe40001
12/08/21 1:31:34 PM
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Democrats fall flat with Latinx language
Why are we using a word that is preferred by only 2 percent, but offends as many as 40 percent of those voters we want to win? said one pollster.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/06/hispanic-voters-latinx-term-523776

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CE_gonna_CE
12/08/21 1:31:55 PM
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CRON
12/08/21 1:32:52 PM
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Just going off my personal experience, the only people I've known who had any remotely positive opinion of the term "Latinx" where white women and assimilated diaspora with practically no connections to their original culture.

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eston
12/08/21 1:34:11 PM
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Paragon21XX
12/08/21 1:35:18 PM
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inb4Rebel/Ysmir

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darkprince45
12/08/21 1:35:27 PM
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i havent seen anyone use this word in real life lol. None of my family want to be called it and none of my friends use it either. Its just a phrase college kids and forum users are trying to push

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DeadBankerDream
12/08/21 1:37:06 PM
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eston posted...
Why is it offensive to literally anyone at all though
I could imagine some would feel like outside forces are trying to force a descriptor on them they didn't choose, or it's sort of corruption of their language wounding their sensibilities.

Also maybe they rightly think it sounds really stupid and being called something stupid is offensive to them.

I dunno, just some thoughts.

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PoundGarden
12/08/21 1:39:09 PM
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eston posted...
Why is it offensive to literally anyone at all though

The Hispanic people I've talked to about it think it's stupid af because literally nobody asked for this distinction and it's seen as yet another example of white people creating and fixing a "problem" that never existed so we can pat ourselves on the back for being so woke.

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sondast
12/08/21 1:40:33 PM
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Never knew there were so many Latin snowflakes.

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divot1338
12/08/21 1:40:39 PM
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What an ignorant and inaccurate article. They must be having trouble finding stories.

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IndustrialTrudg
12/08/21 1:41:33 PM
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If you unironically use the term Latinx you should feel bad.

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Irony
12/08/21 1:42:10 PM
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eston posted...
Why is it offensive to literally anyone at all though
Because white people came up with it to refer to a specific race?

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Ysmir
12/08/21 1:42:14 PM
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shut the fuck up joenumbers

PoundGarden posted...
white people creating and fixing a "problem" that never existed so we can pat ourselves on the back for being so woke.
the term was not invented by white people. Funny, because nobody I've seen who uses latinx (all of whom in my experience are themselves part of that community, and many of them not even from the mainland US) pushes it as a prescriptivist term they demand others use, but the people who cry that "They're telling us how to speak!" love telling others not to use the term.

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Ysmir
12/08/21 1:42:31 PM
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Irony posted...
Because white people came up with it
Nope.

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Prestoff
12/08/21 1:43:35 PM
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I heard from one of my clients who is Hispanic and she said she hates it because the "X" part is hard for her to pronounce or something like that.

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IndustrialTrudg
12/08/21 1:44:41 PM
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Ysmir posted...
shut the fuck up joenumbers

the term was not invented by white people. Funny, because nobody I've seen who uses latinx (all of whom in my experience are themselves part of that community, and many of them not even from the mainland US) pushes it as a prescriptivist term they demand others use, but the people who cry that "They're telling us how to speak!" love telling others not to use the term.

You seem overly upset over people not wanting to be called Latinx.

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eston
12/08/21 1:45:14 PM
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Irony posted...
Because white people came up with it to refer to a specific race?
I like how people keep parroting this even though there is no evidence it is true

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Ysmir
12/08/21 1:45:16 PM
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IndustrialTrudg posted...
You seem overly upset over people not wanting to be called Latinx.
Not upset at all. I just think it's a phenomenally stupid topic whenever it comes up on CE, because so many people here have asinine prescriptivist views about language and don't even know the background of the term they're so upset by

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PoundGarden
12/08/21 1:50:29 PM
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Ysmir posted...
the term was not invented by white people. Funny, because nobody I've seen who uses latinx (all of whom in my experience are themselves part of that community, and many of them not even from the mainland US) pushes it as a prescriptivist term they demand others use, but the people who cry that "They're telling us how to speak!" love telling others not to use the term

That's just what I've been told and I honestly don't care enough to really research it. Nobody I know who's Hispanic uses it or wants it to be used so that was good enough for me lol

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Notti
12/08/21 1:53:07 PM
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Ysmir posted...
the term was not invented by white people. Funny, because nobody I've seen who uses latinx (all of whom in my experience are themselves part of that community, and many of them not even from the mainland US) pushes it as a prescriptivist term they demand others use, but the people who cry that "They're telling us how to speak!" love telling others not to use the term.


This.

It was a LGBT Latino invention to degender the language.

Liberals are just deferring to LGBT Latinos who think this is a sensitive compromise.

People who think "it came frum white peeple! its an invasion!" are just falling for right winger propaganda.
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Tyranthraxus
12/08/21 1:54:52 PM
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eston posted...
Why is it offensive to literally anyone at all though
It's white people who can't speak Spanish telling South/Central/Mexican American immigrants how to speak their own language & what to call themselves.

It's not like they haven't done it before.

See: "Indian -> American Indian -> Native American -> Indigenous People -> give it 10 years and some new bullshit will go here"

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IndustrialTrudg
12/08/21 1:57:33 PM
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Notti posted...
This.

It was a LGBT Latino invention to degender the language.

Liberals are just deferring to LGBT Latinos who think this is a sensitive compromise.

People who think "it came frum white peeple! its an invasion!" are just falling for right winger propaganda.

What about the Latino people who dont want it being used?

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Solid Snake07
12/08/21 1:57:36 PM
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That is so fetch!

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cuttin_in_farm
12/08/21 1:57:48 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
It's white people who can't speak Spanish telling South/Central/Mexican American immigrants how to speak their own language & what to call themselves.

Ig this is what always bothered me.

Its like wanting to change the word boy or girl. Latino specifically refers to a guy (or a group with guy(s)).

I dont see why there would need to be a new term created.

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EmbraceOfDeath
12/08/21 1:59:29 PM
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Notti posted...
This.

It was a LGBT Latino invention to degender the language.

Liberals are just deferring to LGBT Latinos who think this is a sensitive compromise.

People who think "it came frum white peeple! its an invasion!" are just falling for right winger propaganda.
Aww you actually think you know what you're talking about, how cute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinx
The first records of the term Latinx appear in the 21st century, but there is no certainty as to its first occurrence.

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masterpug53
12/08/21 2:01:02 PM
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Any attempt to make the Spanish language gender-neutral is...umm, certainly ambitious, to put it as politely as possible.

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Fam_Fam
12/08/21 2:01:26 PM
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IndustrialTrudg posted...
What about the Latino people who dont want it being used?

they can choose to not use it.
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DeadBankerDream
12/08/21 2:01:51 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Aww you actually think you know what you're talking about, how cute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinx
The first records of the term Latinx appear in the 21st century, but there is no certainty as to its first occurrence.
Did... did you read the rest of the paragraph?

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g0ldie
12/08/21 2:02:36 PM
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one thing - just because a small minority of people might use it, it doesn't invalidate it.

it's still a relatively new term that grew from the desire of others to have a classification that was more inclusive, and you're going to have some pushback from older, prevailing attitudes.

it's not like we haven't seen similar struggles in English speaking areas, and that those struggles don't still exist.

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bladegash
12/08/21 2:04:30 PM
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All this toxic masculinity in gendered language. What man decided that a book or town is masculine and a school or beach is feminine

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mech dragon
12/08/21 2:04:58 PM
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Anyone who is offended by Latinx is a snowflake

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divot1338
12/08/21 2:05:03 PM
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g0ldie posted...
one thing - just because a small minority of people might use it, it doesn't invalidate it.

it's still a relatively new term that grew from the desire of others to have a classification that was more inclusive, and you're going to have some pushback from older, prevailing attitudes.

it's not like we haven't seen similar struggles in English speaking areas, and that those struggles don't still exist.
Two percent of hispanics approve of it. That means more LGBT hispanics disapprove of it than approve.

So who precisely is this for? And why should the wishes 98% of hispanics be ignored when there is already an acceptable nongendered term available to them?

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Compsognathus
12/08/21 2:11:02 PM
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I've never heard anyone use Latinx outside of an academic setting and even then it is always in written form and not as part of like actual speaking where they still use gendered language.

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MKScorpion
12/08/21 2:11:57 PM
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mech dragon posted...
Anyone who is offended by Latinx is a snowflake

Im not offended by it but I dont understand it either. How is it pronounced and what purpose does it serve?

I genuinely have never seen or heard this term outside of the internet.
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Solid Snake07
12/08/21 2:14:01 PM
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mech dragon posted...
Anyone who is offended by Latinx is a snowflake


The important thing is we've got you here to tell minorities what racial language they should and should not like.

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g0ldie
12/08/21 2:15:59 PM
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divot1338 posted...
Two percent of hispanics approve of it. That means more LGBT hispanics disapprove of it than approve.

So who precisely is this for? And why should the wishes 98% of hispanics be ignored when there is already an acceptable nongendered term available to them?
like I said, it's still a relatively new term, that's meant to "degender" some of the language as others have posted. and it's not even something that all LGBTQ+ people might feel is applicable to them, but mostly those who don't conform to gender norms.

but even if it stayed at having 2% support (or less), it doesn't mean that it shouldn't exist; people can just not use it if they don't want to.

also, I don't get what you get about the "wishes of the 98%". is language a democracy, where people can be silenced because the majority doesn't like that they're saying?

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Uta
12/08/21 2:16:47 PM
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Prestoff posted...
I heard from one of my clients who is Hispanic and she said she hates it because the "X" part is hard for her to pronounce or something like that.
This is what I've heard from my friends as well. I've also heard most prefer the term Latine instead, since it makes sense in the actual language and still accomplishes the goal of making words less gendered than necessary.

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divot1338
12/08/21 2:19:19 PM
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g0ldie posted...
like I said, it's still a relatively new term, that's meant to "degender" some of the language as others have posted. and it's not even something that all LGBTQ+ people might feel is applicable to them, but mostly those who don't conform to gender norms.

but even if it stayed at having 2% support (or less), it doesn't mean that it shouldn't exist; people can just not use it if they don't want to.

also, I don't get what you get about the "wishes of the 98%". is language a democracy, where people can be silenced because the majority doesn't like that they're saying?
If 98% of people object to what youre doing, you shouldnt make it the default.

This isnt hard. Quit trying to make fetch happen.

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What_
12/08/21 2:19:35 PM
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Ive barely heard dem politics use it anyway

tc with a nothing burger
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Questionmarktarius
12/08/21 2:20:05 PM
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divot1338
12/08/21 2:21:02 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Goddamn, politico
Marc Caputo is a dumbfuck though.

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GoodGameGG
12/08/21 2:21:25 PM
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Its actually funny. Ignoring how racist LatinX is, the vast vast majority of Latin people don't even wanna use it. Like, it blows my mind that people keep trying to push it lol
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Irony
12/08/21 2:21:29 PM
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It's like when Krillin keeps calling Dende "Little Green"

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joe40001
12/08/21 2:26:30 PM
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I think that several people here defending latinx are doing so in a way that is smug, rude, and condescending points to the problem.

If you're goal is inclusion and kindness, why y'all gotta be so damn mean?

Nobody would care if the term was available, but it's such people insisting on it that people are turned off by.

Elites call Hispanics snowflakes for wanting to be called Hispanics and then wonder why they dislike them? It's pretty ridiculous.

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Questionmarktarius
12/08/21 2:28:42 PM
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joe40001 posted...
Elites call Hispanics snowflakes for wanting to be called Hispanics and then wonder why they dislike them? It's pretty ridiculous.
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CyricZ
12/08/21 2:29:28 PM
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Joe I thought you said you'd stop being a shit.

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divot1338
12/08/21 2:30:53 PM
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joe40001 posted...
I think that several people here defending latinx are doing so in a way that is smug, rude, and condescending points to the problem.

If you're goal is inclusion and kindness, why y'all gotta be so damn mean?

Nobody would care if the term was available, but it's such people insisting on it that people are turned off by.

Elites call Hispanics snowflakes for wanting to be called Hispanics and then wonder why they dislike them? It's pretty ridiculous.
Thats one way to interpret this.

Wrong. Inaccurate. Motivated by partisan politics.

But its an interpretation.

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AldousIsDead
12/08/21 2:30:56 PM
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He did, and yet here we are.

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