Current Events > Is it moral/ethical to fuck an AI replica of a real person?

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Its the far future. Technology has reached new heights. By utilizing user data farmed from social media, credit card purchases, etc, corporations can compile an AI replica of any existing person with perfect accuracy. And with ever more affordable cybernetics, fully-detailed androids can be produced to house those AIs. Furthermore, users can specify any modifications to the AI personality. Essentially, with the click of a button, you can order a customized robot clone of any person that existed and Amazon will deliver it to you with same day shipping.

In this hypothetical world, lets say your crush rejected you. Would it be unethical/immoral to make a robot clone of your crush that would love you?

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How is it any different from the fleshlights made with molds of current ladies bits?

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pogo_rabid posted...

How is it any different from the fleshlights made with molds of current ladies bits?

Presumably, those molds were made with the ladys consent.

in this scenario, the original person has no say in the creation of their robot clone.


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I would imagine as long as you're not trying to sell it, you wouldn't run into any copyright issues from profiting off of their likeness.

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i wouldn't say it's not unethical/immoral, it's weird but people gotta have their desire satiated especially when it's affordable/legal

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It would be immoral not to.

Gross. This is some sick school shooter shit.

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A perfect replica implies they have all the memories of that person as much of our judgement and emotions are based on past experiences. Or, at least, all memories up to the point they were "copied" or however it would work.

Being able to do that, especially without needing the consent of that person, is a major issue. Without even getting in your specific scenario, I don't see how that could possibly be legal. So you got an illegal "clone" with all the existential crisis that would expected, one you could even "customize" to force certain emotions (such as, I assume, loving you in your scenario).

You're creating a sentient life that you enslave to yourself emotionally that could easily ruin the life of another person that had no say in all this. Yeah, this is fucked up.

Nah, mostly because it's not the actual person. No matter how it's designed, the replica is a separate entity. Maybe weird or creepy, but not immoral (depending on whats considered moral/ethical in regards to AI people, anyway).

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An action is not a crime without a victim. If used against the "source" of the anatomy in any way it would become a crime, otherwise, it's probably not. This does go pretty hard in violating the moral concept of sanctity though.


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Black Mirror touches on this subject very often.

Though the most relevant example to this topic would be the Season 4 episode USS Callister.

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Don't date robots!
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Did you lift this from Futurama?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x36ge2W7QOs

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This process is questionable. People have literally killed themselves over leaked nudes. Now, I kan not only see people naked without their koncent, but also feel them inside n out and even have their voice n persona kall me big daddy as they back that thing up? Yeah, even ignoring the more dubious things one kould do with android klone slave regarding identity theft n stuff, this still sounds pretty fucky. Like, even if the person doing this keeps it a secret and never lets it out of the basement, I don't think most people would be ok with this violation of private details.

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people talking about this from the lens of consent / etc are looking at too small a picture here imo. If you have AI this advanced the real questions are going to be about AI personship and general AI rights and all that

if you order such a robot, is it ethical to ever press the off switch? are you responsible for securing their power supply or is that up to them? is it ethical to change your mind and replace their AI personality with a different one?

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Did you lift this from Futurama?

He certainly did.

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KyerWiz posted...

Being able to do that, especially without needing the consent of that person, is a major issue. Without even getting in your specific scenario, I don't see how that could possibly be legal. So you got an illegal "clone" with all the existential crisis that would expected, one you could even "customize" to force certain emotions (such as, I assume, loving you in your scenario).

This. The moral implications of what you're doing to the AI are way beyond how you might be affecting the original person.

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It would be unethical. You would be making a version of your crush without her knowledge or consent, with the sole difference that she loves you. That's fucked up.

To put this in CE terms, imagine if you spent your entire life getting hit on by gay guys despite being 100% straight. Would you be comfortable knowing that your physical and mental likeness is out there, slightly tweaked to enjoy getting weiners in the butt and mouth? Tweaked in a way to find specific body types of men attractive when you don't find any manly body type attractive? Saying and doing things you find deeply uncomfortable thinking about, in service of someone else's pleasure, to which that version of yourself is an accurate portrayal of yourself?

It's not you, but it's an almost identical physical and mental replica, so for all intents and purposes it is you. And to the people who have access to perfect AI replicas of yourself with that modification, that being represents you as well. To them, it is you, and on top of being a substitute for the real you who isn't interested in any of that, their time with the replica may convince them that the real person must feel the same when you don't. How does that make you feel?

On a more fucked up note: what if someone was intelligent enough that when they got a mental engram made to run a perfect AI replica, they could determine over time that they're not the original person? So one day, after you've spent a year and a bit with a facsimile of your crush who you've tweaked to love you, she turns to you and says "I know I'm a copy, and I don't know what's different from my base personality and what isn't - did the real me actually love you, or did you change that aspect for your own pleasure?"

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MrMallard posted...

their time with the replica may convince them that the real person must feel the same when you don't.

For the average person, this leap in logic is quite a stretch, but unfortunately we live in a world where actors occasionally get harassed/threatened as if they really were the antagonists they've played, so yeah, I'd expect a percentage of people to start believing/doing kreepy shit after prolonged exposure.

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The_Korey posted...

For the average person, this leap in logic is quite a stretch, but unfortunately we live in a world where actors occasionally get harassed/threatened as if they really were the antagonists they've played, so yeah, I'd expect a percentage of people to start believing/doing kreepy shit after prolonged exposure.

And keep in mind, those are just performances through traditional media. That's not even considering other people who have developed serious parasocial issues with streamers and other content creators who talk directly to the camera as if they're talking to the audience. Whose allegiance to them as a good guy or a villain is on a razor thin wire every day.

Imagine that, except the figure they're interacting with is a physical being they can speak to and physically touch who is, for all intents and purposes, a person as opposed to a video feed. Specifically, their idealized version of you who meets all of their values and desires, given a physical form. A person they increasingly adjust to as the definitive version of yourself, and a lens they begin to view you through.

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MrMallard posted...

It would be unethical. You would be making a version of your crush without her knowledge or consent, with the sole difference that she loves you. That's fucked up.

To put this in CE terms, imagine if you spent your entire life getting hit on by gay guys despite being 100% straight. Would you be comfortable knowing that your physical and mental likeness is out there, slightly tweaked to enjoy getting weiners in the butt and mouth? Tweaked in a way to find specific body types of men attractive when you don't find any manly body type attractive? Saying and doing things you find deeply uncomfortable thinking about, in service of someone else's pleasure, to which that version of yourself is an accurate portrayal of yourself?

It's not you, but it's an almost identical physical and mental replica, so for all intents and purposes it is you. And to the people who have access to perfect AI replicas of yourself with that modification, that being represents you as well. To them, it is you, and on top of being a substitute for the real you who isn't interested in any of that, their time with the replica may convince them that the real person must feel the same when you don't. How does that make you feel?

On a more fucked up note: what if someone was intelligent enough that when they got a mental engram made to run a perfect AI replica, they could determine over time that they're not the original person? So one day, after you've spent a year and a bit with a facsimile of your crush who you've tweaked to love you, she turns to you and says "I know I'm a copy, and I don't know what's different from my base personality and what isn't - did the real me actually love you, or did you change that aspect for your own pleasure?"

If I had a gay twin, it wouldn't bother me any. I don't experience what he experiences.

I also wouldn't mind being a clone, I think. Like, so much of who we are has nothing to do with our choices; you don't exist before being born, so you can't make a choice on who you'll be. An emotional adjustment by artifice doesn't seem much different.

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Guide posted...

If I had a gay twin, it wouldn't bother me any. I don't experience what he experiences.

Absolutely. But this person isn't just a gay twin - to the people who are acquainted with the other being/s, it's you. It's your face, your rough amalgamation of experiences and memories, almost certainly your name if they were able to get the rest of you - modified in a way to meet a niche that the real you wouldn't indulge in.

How those people treat those copies, how they view them and modify them to behave, becomes a facet of your identity to them. You were chosen for aspects of yourself that they found attractive, and the parts they didn't like were supplanted with alternative aspects to better fit their desires for you. And over time, regardless of your own feelings on the matter, the way they view those modified AI clones will reflect how they see you.

If you never find out, you never find out. But somewhere, there's someone with your face, name, basic experiences and possibly even memories - spliced in with stuff that doesn't represent you as a person. To the people who know that other being - who know your name and face - those aspects will be just as true to your identity as the stuff used to create the clone. And if they ever meet you, you will be known for those aspects that were modified.

I went to sexuality to begin with, but let's go back to the core problem - what if someone you don't love made a perfect copy of you, except you love them back? Everybody who meets that copy will know your name and your face, and they'll know that you love that person. Never mind your history with them or any negativity that stemmed from your time with them.

The replica who loves that other person is just as valid of an interpretation of your identity to those who know that copy as your actual flesh-and-blood identity is to yourself and the people who know you. And the identity of the replica can and will reflect on the real person if someone who knows the replica ever stops you on the street to say hello.

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That would be an issue. I'd definitely like some form of identification to handle that.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Did you lift this from Futurama?

I was actually inspired by an episode of Star Trek lol. The scenario in the OP was made up, but I got the idea when a ship designer found out Levar Burton was romancing a holodeck replica of her lol

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A real AI in my mind can choose to say no or yes. It is unethical to violate consent.

Otherwise, I would say depends. Is the person whose personality the device clones given permission for the activity? If not, unethical. In this case because a copy of the person is being used in a way not in accordance with the original person.

That is just a quick hot take.

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AlisLandale posted...

Furthermore, users can specify any modifications to the AI personality.

Yeah, that's fucked up.

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Creating sentient beings just for the sake of fucking them is the morally fucked up thing here. If it's a virtual intelligence, then no problem. But disregarding that, if we reach the point of such a thing being commonplace, our overall moral system will likely have greatly changed.

If you get turned down by a blonde, is it ethical to ask out another woman with blonde hair?

RetsuZaiZen posted...

Gross. This is some sick school shooter shit.

Lmao

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FortuneCookie posted...

If you get turned down by a blonde, is it ethical to ask out another woman with blonde hair?

But it's not just another woman with blonde hair. It's the same woman, with her personality altered so that she loves you.

No-one's gonna argue that you're an asshole for dating a blonde after getting turned down by a blonde. The question is whether it's shitty or not to create a double of someone with the difference being that they love you whereas the original person doesn't. It's the same person otherwise.

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But that clone is a different person. You're dating someone else.

The question wasn't whether or not it was ethical to create a life form or AI to be attracted to you. It was whether or not it was ethical for that AI to have the likeness of a real person.

FortuneCookie posted...

But that clone is a different person.

I was under the assumption that the clone themselves is unaware of this

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Seems like a modern example might be deepfakes used to substitute celebrities into porn. They dont like that. It's technically not illegal yet, but it will be soon.

But similar assumption for the future - if the original person really didn't want you making a replica robot of them, then it would be unethical to do it.