Poll of the Day > What was the outcry about Pokemon Sword/Sheild again?

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What was the disappointment and Game Freak hate about?
I ask because I started getting into Pokemon again and I'm playing Pokemon Platinum right now. May consider getting one of the Switch games in the future.

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they cut like half of the pokedex and the games look and perform like upscaled 3DS games despite them being the highest grossing media franchise of all time. seriously, they make more money than marvel and Star Wars make but this is the crappy product we get.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPx0pCH5oh8

^Extremely shitty lazy animations,etc.

Time stopping when climbing ladders, too lazy to program clapping and handshaking animations and much more, theres like 4 of these videos.

Animations from 10-15 year old 3d pokemon games beat it out.

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So not every Pokemon is obtainable or even usable in Gen 8. At launch only 400 Pokemon were actually coded into the game. The other 500 simply could not be moved over from Home. About 200 or so have been added back in in the DLC, but also the given reason for why not every Pokemon was in the game was total bullshit. They said they wanted to make the available Pokemon all look really nice and make new animations. They didn't do any of this. The same models and attack animations from gens 6 and 7 are reused.

Also the story mode is baaaaaaaaad.

But, it did bring a ton of really nice qol changes though. You can completely EV train a pokemon just with vitamins. You can teach egg moves at the daycare. You can change natures and even unlock hidden abilities with rare items. Also Rare Candies, and Experience Candies are given out liberally. But you have to do tons and tons of raid battles to get them in large quantities.

Overall gen 8 is a mixed bag.

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There always seems to be a bunch of reasons that the online Pokmon community hates the latest games

even though the games are almost identical

I played red/blue and then gold/silver and didnt touch Pokmon again until X/Y. I quit after getting a couple badges because it was just so fucking boring and it felt like I was playing the same game all over again with just some dumb stuff added like hey now you can make pokemon hold shit!

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Those crappy videos kind of make me want to get it now lmao

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Shit graphics shit animations not enough pokettomonsuta in the dex

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https://www.serebii.net/swordshield/unobtainable.shtml

Here is every Pokemon, as of the final DLC, that are still unusable in Gen 8.

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papercup posted...

So not every Pokemon is obtainable or even usable in Gen 8. At launch only 400 Pokemon were actually coded into the game. The other 500 simply could not be moved over from Home. About 200 or so have been added back in in the DLC, but also the given reason for why not every Pokemon was in the game was total bullshit. They said they wanted to make the available Pokemon all look really nice and make new animations. They didn't do any of this. The same models and attack animations from gens 6 and 7 are reused.

I get it, but I mean...the first Pokemon game I played as a kid had 151 Pokemon, and as I'm playing Pokemon Platinum now I'm defaulting to those first 151 in my party already. I have Geodude, Abra and Onyx so far. Favorite Pokemon game from my childhood was Gold/Silver and even then, I only really liked the Legendary Pokemon and the ancient Pokemon (I was soooo happy when I finally caught Entei as a kid).

papercup posted...

But, it did bring a ton of really nice qol changes though. You can completely EV train a pokemon just with vitamins. You can teach egg moves at the daycare. You can change natures and even unlock hidden abilities with rare items.

Definitely looks like a positive because I always thought EV training and such complicated things too much. When I was a kid I just wanted to catch new Pokemon and train them.

One other question, do Pokemon X/Y and Alpha Ruby have the day/night Cycle? I always loved that feature.
From googling I only see Sun/Moon and Sword/Sheild with that feature

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Yes XY and ORAS have the day/night cycle. Sword/Shield do too, but it only comes into effect after you clear the campaign for some reason. Until then there's a set time that is applied globally for each stage of the story.

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papercup posted...

https://www.serebii.net/swordshield/unobtainable.shtml

Here is every Pokemon, as of the final DLC, that are still unusable in Gen 8.

why would anyone want to use the same pokemon over and over again in new games? You dont want to train new pokemon? If you play a final fantasy game does it bother you that you cant use characters from the previous title?

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Mead posted...

why would anyone want to use the same pokemon over and over again in new games? You dont want to train new pokemon? If you play a final fantasy game does it bother you that you cant use characters from the previous title?

People have their favorites. And I'm more into the collecting side of things myself, I have made multiple living dexes over the years, it's just part of the fun. And now I'm working on a shiny living dex, and many of the shinies I've found are really cool and I want to use them online or in raids, but I just can't.

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I feel like the Pokemon have gotten less interesting with each new generation. I guess that's nostalgia talking.
Lugia, Mewtwo, Mew, and Charizard are my personal favorites.

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1. It doesn't feature the full National Dex (all 890 Pokemon, 898 now)
2. GameFreak lied about models being higher quality. They ended up just reusing the same models they have been using since X/Y.

What was later revealed is that they had certain Pokemon like Greninja modeled and purposely removed from the game. The leaked early development beta of Sword Shield had Greninja in the game. https://protocrystal.neocities.org/timeline.html#return-of-the-leaks-gen-7%E2%80%938

They actually developed Sword and Shield over 3 (or more) years. The betas actually have some chunk of the overworld modeled but very few Pokemon in them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tMddLfJBwA

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By the time I learned about EV training I was already pretty deep into Pokemon Showdown, which lets you distribute everything yourself with sliders and drop down windows. Pretty easy and hassle free. I have played since Pokemon Blue but retired from mainline pkmn games by P. Platinum.

The biggest issue with NOT including every pokemon at LEAST in the dex is that sites like Smogon/Showdown do not include the missing pokemon or evolutions or movesets you cannot acquire in that game for the most recent format. So the last game to release with its limited dex was severely limiting to the number of options you could employ in the meta game compared with previous generations.

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deoxxys posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPx0pCH5oh8

^Extremely shitty lazy animations,etc.

Time stopping when climbing ladders, too lazy to program clapping and handshaking animations and much more, theres like 4 of these videos.

Animations from 10-15 year old 3d pokemon games beat it out.

I knew it was bad, but...wow. That video makes it look worse than I had imagined.

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Scorbunny uses double kick and no animation for it

EVs are seriously the dumbest part of pokemon. They should do away with that mechanic entirely

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Mead posted...

EVs are seriously the dumbest part of pokemon. They should do away with that mechanic entirely

How could individual stat differences between two of the same Pokemon be determined then? IVs are more problematic than EVs. At least with EVs you can ensure that the Pokemon you've trained is stronger than a wild Pokemon of the same species and level.

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Mead posted...

EVs are seriously the dumbest part of pokemon. They should do away with that mechanic entirely

Why? It doesn't affect casual players for not knowing about it and it gives just enough impact to competitive play to deepen the mechanics.

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Mead posted...

EVs are seriously the dumbest part of pokemon. They should do away with that mechanic entirely

They made it so there's no cap on the amount of vitamins you can give to a Pokemon as long as it doesn't exceed 510 EVs. Actually one of the biggest QOL additions they have made in recent years.

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People upset that the game doesn't feature 900 hi-rez models with unique fluid animations for each.

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Mead posted...

EVs are seriously the dumbest part of pokemon. They should do away with that mechanic entirely

In a casual playthrough, EVs are not necessary 99% of the time. You will accrue them naturally just by battling, but the game is typically balanced so all your EVs more or less end up evenly distributed. Actually training specific EVs is a mechanic for the competitive players most of the time. Also, competitive play and casual play are two very very different beasts. If you play the single player game the way Nintendo/GameFreak intend, you shouldn't have an issue most of the time. If you go into the Elite Four with a competitive mindset, EV trained, bred for egg moves, everyone is level 100, all that, you can actually have a much more difficult time. Likewise if you take your casual team into a competitive environment you'll probably be used to wipe the floor.
The way I think about personality values is the IVs and nature are the "DNA" of a Pokemon. At the most basic level these aspects separate Pokemon of the same species from each other. Then EVs are the "skills", you train up the aspects of the pokemon you want them to excel at. At the end of the day it's just another method to distinguish Pokemon of the same species from each other. While there are more or less agreed upon "correct" EVs to train on each Pokemon, sometimes you can get away with doing some really really weird stuff, even if it's only useful in specific situations.

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Pre-release, people complained about the shitty graphics and the Dexit thing. Post-release, people realized it was a rushed unpolished game.

Mead posted...

I played red/blue and then gold/silver and didnt touch Pokmon again until X/Y. I quit after getting a couple badges because it was just so fucking boring and it felt like I was playing the same game all over again with just some dumb stuff added like hey now you can make pokemon hold shit!

This is how I feel, I had only played red/blue but decided to get shield cause it was a big switch game, and even with that gap it was pretty much the same shit! Except way more dumbed down. I don't even care about the national dex stuff or the animations, I can see why it's lame, but just seems like "mad gamer" stuff. I just can't believe how little it changed, maybe some people like that, but core pokemon isn't for me.

The arceus legends open world game sounds more like how I'd imagine a natural evolution of the series but from that trailer it looks pretty bad too

Zareth posted...

People upset that the game doesn't feature 900 hi-rez models with unique fluid animations for each.

Pokemon is literally one of the most popular brands in the world though.
Is it really that bad that people expect actual effort being put into the main line Pokemon games considering how much money they make on each and every Pokemon game?
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Zareth posted...

People upset that the game doesn't feature 900 hi-rez models with unique fluid animations for each.

highest grossing media franchise OF ALL TIME

they can afford to make it not barebones

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Boycott Gamefreak (and Nintendo while we're at it) and just play rom hacks. Only way to get a good Pokemon experience.

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

highest grossing media franchise OF ALL TIME

they can afford to make it not barebones

This. If anyone can afford to put money and effort into their games, it's Pokemon. But they know people will buy it anyway because it's Pokemon, so why bother?

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SpaceBear_ posted...

Boycott Gamefreak (and Nintendo while we're at it) and just play rom hacks. Only way to get a good Pokemon experience.

ash grey was pretty fun
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If I have learned anything on this site, it's that there is no pleasing the Pokemon fanbase.

Also, considering that they probably make as much off of plushies as they do the main series games, it makes sense not to have all resources devoted to the main games. You remember how long FF-7 R was in development? You can have that development cycle and brand new hi-rez animations every game, or you can get a new game every year.

IronBornCorps posted...

If I have learned anything on this site, it's that there is no pleasing the Pokemon fanbase.

Also, considering that they probably make as much off of plushies as they do the main series games, it makes sense not to have all resources devoted to the main games. You remember how long FF-7 R was in development? You can have that development cycle and brand new hi-rez animations every game, or you can get a new game every year.

Kinda like what EA does with its several yearly sports games?
Those games are even samier every year than Pokemon and people still eat them up every year.

Personally, I'd prefer to get games from a franchise less often and have more time and thought put into them than have the almost the exact game every year.

But I guess you gotta cheap out on stuff in order to maximise the profit. Because money is more important to giant corporations.
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

highest grossing media franchise OF ALL TIME

they can afford to make it not barebones

Doesn't matter if they have the money, they don't have the time.
Also lol at all the nerds who know nothing about 3D modeling and animation thinking they know better than GameFreak.

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Zareth making excuses for poor work.

If a N64 title can handle clapping animations for their game, certainly a "modern day" game can have clapping animations among many other basic ass things.

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deoxxys posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPx0pCH5oh8

^Extremely shitty lazy animations,etc.

Time stopping when climbing ladders, too lazy to program clapping and handshaking animations and much more, theres like 4 of these videos.

Animations from 10-15 year old 3d pokemon games beat it out.

That they blamed the cut content on in the first place... "it would be too hard to create all those new high Q animations and models".......*proceeds to release the butchered games with the same old DS assets only somehow worse*
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtyBjFygWHg


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Is Mead trolling up a storm again? LOL!

At any rate, when they announced the roster cut, most people were annoyed because that's a massive step down. And, like others have noted, there wasn't really any reason for it, since they had mostly just re-used assets anyway. Otherwise the game lost me pretty quickly and I haven't gone back yet. Part of it is that it takes a while to get going, but the starters are also really lousy which, again, was a massive step back since Su/Mo had three starters I liked and this gen it was a matter of which do I think I can live with (which is the same thing I disliked about gen 2).

In general, the fact that Pokemon has continued to push the story elements, cutscenes, etc, over the exploration elements hasn't really sat well with me, although I'll admit that they've done a much better job with the "companion"-type NPCs, starting with X/Y.


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It was great

Zareth posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

highest grossing media franchise OF ALL TIME

they can afford to make it not barebones

Doesn't matter if they have the money, they don't have the time.
Also lol at all the nerds who know nothing about 3D modeling and animation thinking they know better than GameFreak.

Hire more people then? I mean, isn't that what other companies do when they need more work done?
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Zeus posted...

(which is the same thing I disliked about gen 2)

I was kinda disappointed with gen 2s starters as well. The legendary Pokemon Lugia and Suicune were great though, although Ho-oh was meh
I honestly don't like any of the starters on Platinum so far either. I have the fire type and hopefully it looks more badass once it evolves.

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LeetCheet posted...

Hire more people then? I mean, isn't that what other companies do when they need more work done?

No. "There can be too many cooks in the kitchen" applies to game development as well.

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you can still outsource stuff that was not worked on at all, like animations, without causing conflict

ANYTHING is better than just reusing 3ds animations with zero effort

at this point it's more like there's 50 kitchens empty but gamefreak is stubbornly only using one to serve 50 kitchens' worth of guests

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Ferarri619 posted...

I was kinda disappointed with gen 2s starters as well. The legendary Pokemon Lugia and Suicune were great though, although Ho-oh was meh

Suicune was the only gen 2 legendary I liked at first. I've gradually come around on Raikou. While I really disliked Lugia's design at first (specifically the fact he looks like he's wearing a max and he has what look like fingers at the end of his wings), I've kinda grown to like it a bit. Kinda of the same with Entei. And Ho-oh's shiny looks great.

Ferarri619 posted...

I honestly don't like any of the starters on Platinum so far either. I have the fire type and hopefully it looks more badass once it evolves.

I didn't find any of their starters super-exciting, although Turtwig and Chimchar were passable. I liked Infernape the best out of the final forms at first, but I've kinda grown to like Empeleon between Pokemon Go and Pokken DX.

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The dex cut was especially bad because they had just sold the service for transfering your pokemon to sword/shield and then after people paid money they were told "btw, you can't actually use all or even most of the pokemon you paid to be able to send over because we decided not to put them in the game". Very scummy.

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Zeus posted...

Suicune was the only gen 2 legendary I liked at first. I've gradually come around on Raikou. While I really disliked Lugia's design at first (specifically the fact he looks like he's wearing a max and he has what look like fingers at the end of his wings), I've kinda grown to like it a bit. Kinda of the same with Entei. And Ho-oh's shiny looks great.

Lugia was badass in Pokemon the movie 2000 and I saw that movie in theaters. Got the Lugia card from the theater too. That's what made me like him so much.

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People are really defending GameFreak? Just wow lol.

Where to start?

-the game is piss easy(I know all pokemon games are) exp.share on all the time invalidates more of the games difficulty.

-Wild area being open from the start of the game. Why would I need to leave this place I can catch so many pokemon?

-Catching pokemon in the wild area can make you hilariously overpowered. I was level 46 before I left the area the first time, not because I was grinding, I was just catching pokemon and doing gigamax raids

- gigamax raids break the game. I had all lvl 100 pokemon before the last gym because again, I was just catching pokemon and I got like 140 rare candies

- story was fucking abysmal, even by pokemon standards. The best part of the story is the sword and shield hair dudes showing up, taking the items then running around fucking the world up and then getting off scot free.

The villian is the WORST villain ever. In any form of media ever. EVER. There was no reason for him to even do the stupid shit he did. Even team magma and aqua had better reasons and theirs was dogshit too.

-rivials suck
-leon sucks
-DLC pokemon
-Too much charizard love.

Music was good though.

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"hey let me get rare candies, so ofc I had to use them"
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Why would you horde it?

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Candies are also one of the best QoL changes in Sword Shield. I don't see why you shouldn't use them.

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