Current Events > The Police Force Reform Act of 2020

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Lets brainstorm what will go into a police reform act.

have zones with cops and no cops. people vote if they ban cops in their city

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Higher qualifications necessary to be a cop.
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treewojima is the ultimate arbiter of justice

Immediate unpaid suspension and loss of benefits (including healthcare) not shorter than six months, if anyone dies in your custody.

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Maybe some sort of robot police officers that can help patrol the streets without prejudice.

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teepan95 posted...

Higher qualifications necessary to be a cop.

What kinds of qualifications? Would you also advocate for an increase in pay?

AlisLandale posted...

Immediate unpaid suspension and loss of benefits (including healthcare) not shorter than six months, if anyone dies in your custody.

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Punished With Jail Time. Those who assault need to be punished with assault charges. Those who murder needs to be punished with murder charges

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Cops must now file paperwork justifying every single shot fired.

If body cam footage is unavailable for any arrest or investigation, automatic 1-month suspended without pay.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Cops must now file paperwork justifying every single shot fired.

If body cam footage is unavailable for any arrest or investigation, automatic 1-month suspended without pay.

Right. Also it's crazy that NYPD still doesn't have body cameras. We need body cameras on all officers

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If there is any evidence of you abusing your power as a police officer, losing your job cant be enough. You shouldnt be able to go one city over, and continue harassing people.

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seqntenialbeast posted...

have zones with cops and no cops. people vote if they ban cops in their city

great idea, cop zones are PVE, cop-free zones are PVP for 24/7 looting opportunities

i gotta start grinding

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Mandatory yearly psychological and performance reviews by independent entities

Police misconduct needs to start being tied to forfeiture of pensions and bans, state and nationwide, from serving in uniform if found guilty of major offenses

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OneThatFollows posted...

Maybe some sort of robot police officers that can help patrol the streets without prejudice.

Almost like a.......RoboCop of sorts

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List of major changes that will happen:


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NeoShadowhen posted...

teepan95 posted...

Higher qualifications necessary to be a cop.

What kinds of qualifications? Would you also advocate for an increase in pay?

Have a two tier system. Maybe a three/four year apprenticeship for a beat cop, and a special kind of degree for someone 'higher up'.

Sure, more pay.
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NeoShadowhen posted...

What kinds of qualifications? Would you also advocate for an increase in pay?

Cops already get paid more than enough considering the basic qualification is having a HS diploma or GED. Academy training is only, what, half a year? At minimum it should be the length of an AA program. Mandatory psych evals should happen throughout the training and then during active service. Independent oversight committees are a must as well.

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EarlWallingford posted...

Mandatory yearly psychological and performance reviews by independent entities

Police misconduct needs to start being tied to forfeiture of pensions and bans, state and nationwide, from serving in uniform if found guilty of major offenses

This would be a good start.

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Bureaus are no longer allowed to conduct investigations into misconduct of their own employees. These are now done at the behest of the FBI or Secret Service depending on the nature of the misconduct.

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lww99 posted...

If there is any evidence of you abusing your power as a police officer, losing your job cant be enough. You shouldnt be able to go one city over, and continue harassing people.

Right. They should have their right or license to be police revoked. And also face corruption charges

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2Pacavelli posted...

Right. Also it's crazy that NYPD still doesn't have body cameras. We need body cameras on all officers

The current body cam system is a bit of a scam which is one of the reasons why you're seeing some places push back. The issue is there aren't very many companies making the devices, and while the device themselves are relatively cheap, maintaining and storing the data recorded by them becomes incredibly expensive. Some PD's have said that the service contract to maintain their body cams is basically making them go bankrupt.

Something that I don't see a lot of people talking about is we need a centralized, searchable, government maintained data center for body cam footage. And it needs to have some sort of convenient interface for automatically uploading footage from cameras checked in for the night.

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There should be a licensing process required to become a cop the same way there is one to become a doctor or lawyer. When there is evidence of wrong doing, that license should be taken away and youre not allowed to be a cop anymore in any jurisdiction, the same way a doctor/lawyer can be disbarred and prevented from practicing medicine/law.


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body cams
better psych screening
get rid of cops if they have history of violence
bring production, factories, etc back to america so that anyone who's impoverished can have a chance at a better life and less people will be inclined to commit crime so there's a smaller chance of people stereotyping by saying 'they're impoverished so they commit crimes'
bring down education costs, if corporations that perpetuate divides can get millions of dollars then there's no reason some supplemental funds can't go towards bringing education costs down to the masses
start scholarships, taken directly out of the pockets of police departments to give back to african americans across the whole country
give people more chances to come together

bad cops are just one aspect of the flawed system, a big one and probably the most impactful, but look at places like Detroit - it's impossible for so many people who live there to find work that's actually safe. having that fear in the back of your head 'what if i get robbed' will raise cortisol levels and you'll constantly be under duress; that's no way to live either. We need to love each other and come together

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They need to be drug tested regularly and proven to be clean to remain on the force. Many of the worst offenders abuse steroids and cocaine

Any Violations higher than weed should result in suspension and drug rehab program the first time and immediate termination the second time.

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Someone to police the police then if the police who police the police get corrupted then someone to police the police who police's the police.

Most items will be hard to implement to scale but a few changes could start the process.

Some kind of oversight is needed at minimum to ease people's minds. Now hopefully it's built to be anti-corrupt but I just don't see how that is possible in 2020. I hope I am wrong.

And I think, since police are normally selected by local officials, right?...well local elections should become EXTREMELY popular. When everyone focuses on the Federal gov't so much, we stop paying attention locally. Does anyone do research on their super local officials? Some, but not many. Hopefully this sparks a change of mindset when it comes to elections and we start to realize we get to choose what level we give our power over to. And why not more locally? Makes sense to have strong localities and a weak but effective federal government. Not due to funding or anything like that, but due to voting priorities. Don't see how its possible to shrink Government though...has it ever happened?

s0nicfan posted...

The current body cam system is a bit of a scam which is one of the reasons why you're seeing some places push back. The issue is there aren't very many companies making the devices, and while the device themselves are relatively cheap, maintaining and storing the data recorded by them becomes incredibly expensive. Some PD's have said that the service contract to maintain their body cams is basically making them go bankrupt.

Something that I don't see a lot of people talking about is we need a centralized, searchable, government maintained data center for body cam footage. And it needs to have some sort of convenient interface for automatically uploading footage from cameras checked in for the night.

That makes sense to me. If we're going to manage body cam footage, taxpayers should foot the bill for it imo.

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Longer, more thorough academies with higher levels of training in arrest techniques, de-escalation, and defensive tactics.

More rigorous fitness tests (mental and physical) for street level officers, as theyre most likely to suffer burnout and become disillusioned and reckless.

Mandated therapy for every officer, once or twice a week before a tour. That way, you kill the stigma of talking to a professional about the horrible shit youve seen, you dont bottle it up, and it doesnt come out in terrible ways in the performance of your duties.

Higher pay, to avoid officers feeling like they need to work a second job or endless OT to survive, which also can lead to burnout.

Better handling of official complaints. Some departments, there doesnt seem to be a great remedy to legitimate complaints. Need better resolutions to increase public trust.

Body cameras, but hopefully they become more reliable in the next few years.

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s0nicfan posted...

The current body cam system is a bit of a scam which is one of the reasons why you're seeing some places push back. The issue is there aren't very many companies making the devices, and while the device themselves are relatively cheap, maintaining and storing the data recorded by them becomes incredibly expensive. Some PD's have said that the service contract to maintain their body cams is basically making them go bankrupt.

Something that I don't see a lot of people talking about is we need a centralized, searchable, government maintained data center for body cam footage. And it needs to have some sort of convenient interface for automatically uploading footage from cameras checked in for the night.

I 100% agree wrt data storage expenses. That stuff gets really expensive after a while. There should be a maximum duration to keep the data, say, 3 months, with the ability to request certain data get retained longer in the case of a legal dispute. After 3 months it gets deleted. That should be fairly cost efficient.

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Police academy is way too short, it takes a lot longer to become a barber/beautician in the states.

Mandatory body cams. Disciplinary action if cops turn off their cams.

Abolish no knock warrants.

If a police officer is just starting out and is not from a particular community then he/she should work basketball, football, other sporting events, etc. This is to get acquainted with people in the community. Bring community policing back.

If a cop is involved in a shooting or use of force incident, blood work must be done for alcohol/drug use.

Officers that have been involved in shootings, use of force, etc should have a quarterly psych evaluation.

Officers that are fired for misconduct as it pertains to citizens should be deemed unhireable. That way they cannot go to the next town over and start again.


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Taharqa_ posted...

Police academy is way too short, it takes a lot longer to become a barber/beautician in the states.

Mandatory body cams. Disciplinary action if cops turn off their cams.

Abolish no knock warrants.

If a police officer is just starting out and is not from a particular community then he/she should work basketball, football, other sporting events, etc. This is to get acquainted with people in the community. Bring community policing back.

If a cop is involved in a shooting or use of force incident, blood work must be done for alcohol/drug use.

Officers that have been involved in shootings, use of force, etc should have a quarterly psych evaluation.

Officers that are fired for misconduct as it pertains to citizens should be deemed unhireable. That way they cannot go to the next town over and start again.

Solid suggestions.

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Taharqa_ posted...

Police academy is way too short, it takes a lot longer to become a barber/beautician in the states.

Mandatory body cams. Disciplinary action if cops turn off their cams.

Abolish no knock warrants.

If a police officer is just starting out and is not from a particular community then he/she should work basketball, football, other sporting events, etc. This is to get acquainted with people in the community. Bring community policing back.

If a cop is involved in a shooting or use of force incident, blood work must be done for alcohol/drug use.

Officers that have been involved in shootings, use of force, etc should have a quarterly psych evaluation.

Officers that are fired for misconduct as it pertains to citizens should be deemed unhireable. That way they cannot go to the next town over and start again.

These are excellent suggestions

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-Do not allow cops to carry fire-arms unless they are responding to a shooter
-Confiscate all military equipment
-Reduce funding overall and put it towards programs that have a better track record of reducing crime(education, housing, etc.)
-Lengthen police training and reconfigure it to emphasize de-escalation techniques, negotiation, and basic psychology and de-emphasize fire-arms
-Body cams are required and are to be on at all times when the cop is on duty. Turning it off for any reason must result in disciplinary action. If a cop who has turned off their body cam is involved in violent action, they are to be terminated and referred towards the prosecutor
-Any officer who shoots an unarmed subject is terminated immediately and referred to the proper authorities for criminal charges immediately.
-National database of cops who have been terminated for incidents.
-Naitonal database of incidents of police violence. Both must be publicly accessible.
-Mandate that at least 50% of all cops must live in the communities in which they work
-Racial and ethnic quotas: the cops should look like their community
-Fire qualified immunity into the sun.
-Free and mandatory psych evals for cops who are involved in justifiable violent incidents
-Require ongoing training and education. This would, of course, be free.
-Thorough third-party review of all violent incidents
-End civil asset forfeiture, full stop.

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Almost like a.......RoboCop of sorts

In Robocop 3 when the plucky rebels were being killed by the tyrannical corporations and their police, Robocop rewrote his own fucking programming so he could join the rebels, and then got a jetpack and killed the bad guys.

ElatedVenusaur posted...

-Do not allow cops to carry fire-arms unless they are responding to a shooter
-Confiscate all military equipment
-Reduce funding overall and put it towards programs that have a better track record of reducing crime(education, housing, etc.)
-Lengthen police training and reconfigure it to emphasize de-escalation techniques, negotiation, and basic psychology and de-emphasize fire-arms
-Body cams are required and are to be on at all times when the cop is on duty. Turning it off for any reason must result in disciplinary action. If a cop who has turned off their body cam is involved in violent action, they are to be terminated and referred towards the prosecutor
-Any officer who shoots an unarmed subject is terminated immediately and referred to the proper authorities for criminal charges immediately.
-National database of cops who have been terminated for incidents.
-Naitonal database of incidents of police violence. Both must be publicly accessible.
-Mandate that at least 50% of all cops must live in the communities in which they work
-Racial and ethnic quotas: the cops should look like their community
-Fire qualified immunity into the sun.
-Free and mandatory psych evals for cops who are involved in justifiable violent incidents
-Require ongoing training and education. This would, of course, be free.
-Thorough third-party review of all violent incidents
-End civil asset forfeiture, full stop.

These are largely bad suggestions.


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Patchwork posted...

These are largely bad suggestions.

There's a few good ones.

• End civil forfeiture.

Yes. If people can't loot, cops can't either. Civil forfeiture should not be allowed at all without a guilty verdict resulting in incarceration of over 1 year.

• Free mandatory psych evals

Absolutely. Having to deal with some of the shit cops do causes PTSD and it's not always really obvious. Especially if you're one of the guys doing a kiddie porn bust and have to do shit like actually look at it to determine the ages of the victims.

• No qualified immunity

This is overall good. Maybe could be better if immunity was granted in incidents in which an officer was directly acting to protect someone in immediate threat such as a hostage situation or domestic violence as opposed to just apprehending a fleeing criminal or something.


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Better Training. You aren't supposed to throw flashbangs directly at/on people. You aren't supposed to shoot rubber bullets directly at people. It's supposed to hit the ground and bounce. Ban any type of choking. A third party(can't be tied to police in anyway) to investigate cops with a lot of complaints. Ban military weapons from police.

In addition to ElevatedVenasaur's largely good suggestions.

• Every officer must have three separate body cameras on them at all time. The purpose of this is to greater ensure that the officer's cameras are functional, reducing the risk of a malfunction spoiling an arrest.
• Malfunctioning or otherwise inoperative body cameras, to the extent which make it impossible to tell what happened during an arrest, will not only result in punitive actions against the officer, but the immediate release of the suspect from police custody if no other compelling evidence justifies it. Basically, an inoperative or "malfunctioning" set of three cameras, spoils the arrest.
• Obstructed or malfunctioning body cameras, or missing footage, on an officer will be used against them and/or their precinct in court, and when relevant can be taken as an admission of guilt for wrongdoing by either or both for whatever they are being charged with.
• Officers who undergo 'Warrior Training' or anything of the like during their time as officers, can be subject to immediate termination, with the reason being that properly training them again is too much of a taxpayer burden to justify.
• Officers who are found active in white supremacist organizations are immediately terminated with no benefits, and investigated by the FBI.
• New uniforms, designed to be more befitting a public servant, and comfortable. If cops aren't going to act like slobs anymore, they should probably not dress like slobs anymore.

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taking away all of their military weapons and vehicles would be nice

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Body cameras have zero impact on a police officers' decision to use lethal force, I don't know why people still talk about them. Also every police officer receives more than enough training on how to safely do their job, they just don't follow it. You guys are ignoring the point that they do all this purposely knowing they can't get in trouble for it 99% of the time.

End qualified immunity (The Supreme Court might take this up this year FYI) and stop letting public-sector employees unionize. That solves most of these problems without spending a single dollar. We don't need to throw even more money at police departments as if they're accidentally doing all this.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Body cameras have zero impact on a police officers' decision to use lethal force, I don't know why people still talk about them. Also every police officer receives more than enough training on how to safely do their job, they just don't follow it. You guys are ignoring the point that they do all this purposely knowing they can't get in trouble for it 99% of the time.

End qualified immunity (The Supreme Court might take this up this year FYI) and stop letting public-sector employees unionize. That solves most of these problems without spending a single dollar. We don't need to throw even more money at police departments as if they're accidentally doing all this.

Body cams are there for pr or to protect the officer against brutality accusations. They're not there for the suspect.

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strict personality and psyc profiles

any violent or aggressive past incidents auto disqualification

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national database of corrupt cops and violent cops or any incident of brutality

unable to be hired in any other dept.x

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