Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 238: Parliament-Flunkadelic

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"I could not give a flying flamingo what your view is!"

Actual quote from the floor of UK Parliament

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By order of Her Majesty the Queen the Parliament has been prorogued.

If the Democrats somehow manage to take the Senate while Trump wins reelection, I bet he'll want to prorogue Congress!
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It would be a prorogue-like

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Trump fired Bolton, which is good news

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Jakyl25 posted...

Trump fired Bolton, which is good news

That's pretty low standard for 'good news'
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Hey he really gets no credit since he never should have hired him in the first place

But its better than NOT firing Bolton

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Replying to this from the previous topic:

It seems like, when the Establishment is in power, Tulsi rails against them. When liberal ideals start to take hold and gain popularity, now shes railing against THAT. Dont get me wrong: a message of stop attacking your own party is good, but it comes across as opportunistic, and an attack in and of itself, when coming from Tulsi Gabbard.

A few weeks ago she was on Tucker Carlson speaking against the Establishment, now she has gone on the Rubin Report to speak against those further left than her.

Sounds like she has just gone full centrist who decided her winning strategy is to find fault with Democrats in general.
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For only hiring the best people, he sure does fire a lot of them.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Trump fired Bolton, which is good news

I would be happier about this if the administration didn't have a track record for replacing every departing official with someone even worse.
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HashtagSEP posted...

Replying to this from the previous topic:

It seems like, when the Establishment is in power, Tulsi rails against them. When liberal ideals start to take hold and gain popularity, now shes railing against THAT. Dont get me wrong: a message of stop attacking your own party is good, but it comes across as opportunistic, and an attack in and of itself, when coming from Tulsi Gabbard.

A few weeks ago she was on Tucker Carlson speaking against the Establishment, now she has gone on the Rubin Report to speak against those further left than her.

Sounds like she has just gone full centrist who decided her winning strategy is to find fault with Democrats in general.

Or shes not a centrist OR a liberal, and theres a reason right wingers love her so damn much: she exists solely to sow discord in the Democratic Party.
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Well I didn't want to go full conspiracy theory, but she has suddenly been changing her stance on stuff like abortion and immigration, so hey, who knows
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Jakyl25 posted...

But its better than NOT firing Bolton

We HOPE. But do you really think the next guy up won't be worse? I'm sure Trump is reaching the bottom of the barrel right now to find someone who will be even worse than Bolton.
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National Security Adviser Meatloaf.
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National Security Adviser Vladimir Putin

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https://twitter.com/adamcbest/status/1171474457606516736?s=21

Jim Cramer and a @CNBC panel discuss Wall Street executives being absolutely terrified of Elizabeth Warren and how they've never seen anything quite like it before. This is the greatest Warren campaign ad possible.

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Every year when this convention pops up, I marvel that anyone would willingly subject themselves to this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEG7AW8XYAEUMnR?format=jpg&name=large

Its like my personal hell

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Hannity: James Comey is going to jail.

Also Hannity: hey jimmy wanna hang out at a con together
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Ok did Clay Aiken just buy a ticket and they accidentally put him on the billing or what is going on with that.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Every year when this convention pops up, I marvel that anyone would willingly subject themselves to this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEG7AW8XYAEUMnR?format=jpg&name=large

Its like my personal hell

clay aiken???
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Hes outspoken about politics! Hes basically a neolib

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wait, Al Franken? has he been doing things since the ousting?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Trump fired Bolton, which is good news

FWIW, Bolton disputes this and claims that it was he who offered to resign. Neither one of them is trustworthy, but given that Trump lies every single time he opens his mouth and has in fact done the "you can't quit, you're fired!" thing before (with Mattis and probably other people I'm forgetting), I'd guess that Bolton's more likely to be the one telling the truth.

Edit: a WH source backs Bolton's account - https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1171467890253451265
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My guess is that it went something like this

Bolton: Heres what we should do about the Taliban

Trump: No, I say we handle it like this

Bolton: Why am I even here then? If youre not going to listen to me I may as well not be here.

Trump: Fine then, get out of here

And thus both believe that they made the choice to end the relationship

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Edit: a WH source backs Bolton's account - https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1171467890253451265

https://twitter.com/ike_saul/status/1171469756227936256?s=21

Thread about Boltons team texting tons of reporters trying to say he quit and wasnt fired

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Bolton is beside himself. Driving around downtown D.C. begging (thru texts) reporters for a chance tell his side of the story

Yeah I was trying to be generous by calling it his team <_<

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Jakyl25 posted...

My guess is that it went something like this

Bolton: Heres what we should do about the Taliban

Trump: No, I say we handle it like this

Bolton: Why am I even here then? If youre not going to listen to me I may as well not be here.

Trump: Fine then, get out of here

And thus both believe that they made the choice to end the relationship

Much more likely that theyre somehow both lying than both being honest!
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Good thread on BDBs dumb robot tax idea:
https://twitter.com/noahpinion/status/1171480115408097285?s=21
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Dumb attack:

https://twitter.com/danpfeiffer/status/1171522219182178305?s=21

Nobodys going to believe an attack on Warrens motivations. Joe should stick to contrasting policy, which is where Warren is actually (potentially) vulnerable.
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/adamcbest/status/1171474457606516736?s=21

Jim Cramer and a @CNBC panel discuss Wall Street executives being absolutely terrified of Elizabeth Warren and how they've never seen anything quite like it before. This is the greatest Warren campaign ad possible.

holy hell.
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Read an article in the Guardian about how Boris Johnson has been trying the Trump model of dealmaking in the UK and it hasn't been working. They correctly identified the problem - the Trump method requires that your own party follow you in lockstep, no matter how unhinged you sound.

I think it's a testament to the strength of the GOP nomination process. 1 year of all-out, winner-take-all battle, decided by the voters themselves, ending with an agreement to support the winner unconditionally. Whereas the Tory MPs can argue that Boris was elected by the party membership and MPs only, which is a tiny fraction of the party's voters.

The key is you need to give people an opportunity to air their grievances. If you don't do it in the primaries it will be done in the general, and then you lose votes. Democrats trying to get Democrats not to attack each other would do well to learn that.
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Haven't really read up on the news yet besides what's been said in this topic but my snap reaction to Bolton out is "that's a good thing." Even though Trump's replacements are almost universally all downgrades a) I feel like a downgrade from Bolton would be difficult to achieve. b) To the extent we see a downgrade it'll probably be someone who has like... zero experience in the field which while awful, is arguably a different kind of awful?
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I can buy Bolton quitting once he realized Trump was using him to create the appearance that Trump was okay with more war. When really Trump wants peace and will pay a lot to get it.
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File this one under "trade wars are good and easy to win":

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-trade-war-has-killed-300000-jobs-194717808.html
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Whoops, fucked up. Apparently there are two special elections in NC today??

NBC has called the NC-3 special election for the Republican (Greg Murphy).

Polling people I follow (Harry Enten, Dave Wasserman) are saying that NC-9 (the one with the election fraud in 2018) is looking very close.
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Oh okay, I was confused there because I was pretty sure Bishop was the Republican running in NC-9. That being close is a good thing, it was like a Trump+12 district. Obviously you want the win, but it being close at all is a bad sign for Republicans going forward for 2020. They've already poured a bunch of resources into this race too.
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I think I am on board with not voting for Trump next election, so I hope yinz nominate someone I can get behind.

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Yeah I think the most important thing about the actual outcome of the race is that McCready winning might trigger more GOP retirements.
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Corrik7 posted...

I think I am on board with not voting for Trump next election, so I hope yinz nominate someone I can get behind.

I have to admit I'm curious what changed your mind
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NC-9 is the one where the Republicans literally and verifiably cheated/committed election fraud in 2018?

oh lotm said that already oops I didn't read that correctly

blows my mind that the republicans were even allowed to run somebody in that one after what they did, honestly

VintageGin posted...

I have to admit I'm curious what changed your mind

I think I am just a bit annoyed with all the controversy with his presidency. A lot of it is manufactured garbage, but some of it is just nonsense he doesn't need to get into. I am not sure if it is a byproduct of the new social media presidencies or not, but it is annoying. Also, he isn't trying to bridge to the other side and promote a cohesive America which I think a president of any side should do. You should be representing all Americans, not just "your side".

It sucks because policy-wise he is pretty much a dream candidate for me. But, he continues to stoop to a level he can just ignore and makes a rise out of it.

The problem is the left candidates have to pander to crazy as fuck leftist ideas due to it being their base, and half are out to literally destroy my job lol.

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Corrik7 posted...

VintageGin posted...

I have to admit I'm curious what changed your mind

I think I am just a bit annoyed with all the controversy with his presidency. A lot of it is manufactured garbage, but some of it is just nonsense he doesn't need to get into. I am not sure if it is a byproduct of the new social media presidencies or not, but it is annoying. Also, he isn't trying to bridge to the other side and promote a cohesive America which I think a president of any side should do. You should be representing all Americans, not just "your side".

It sucks because policy-wise he is pretty much a dream candidate for me. But, he continues to stoop to a level he can just ignore and makes a rise out of it.

The problem is the left candidates have to pander to crazy as fuck leftist ideas due to it being their base, and half are out to literally destroy my job lol.

What is your job?
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A dream scenario would be Trump sees he isn't gonna win in 2020 and steps down and says he feels he is too old to run, a good candidate like Romney runs against Biden, and the age argument for Trump stepping down is used strongly against Biden.

Though Biden is one of the few Dems I could support.

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VintageGin posted...

What is your job?

I turn coal to coke. Lol

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Reg posted...

NC-9 is the one where the Republicans literally and verifiably cheated/committed election fraud in 2018?

oh lotm said that already oops I didn't read that correctly

blows my mind that the republicans were even allowed to run somebody in that one after what they did, honestly

Yeah, pretty fucked up!
(Though iirc it seemed somewhat likely that Mark Harris had cheated his way to the GOP nomination as well; that was also a close election (2.3% margin)).
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xp1337 posted...

Oh okay, I was confused there because I was pretty sure Bishop was the Republican running in NC-9. That being close is a good thing, it was like a Trump+12 district. Obviously you want the win, but it being close at all is a bad sign for Republicans going forward for 2020. They've already poured a bunch of resources into this race too.

I am not sure how much it relates. I almost think Trump on the ballot boosted republican results on that election term.

The question is, will Trump do so again.

You could argue if you fielded a better candidate than Clinton that you would have crushed a lot of the Senate and House seats in 2016 also.

If Trump wins in 2020, they will likely have boosted numbers in the house and Senate also.

I am not so sure that Toomey wins the Senate seat in PA without Trump. Clinton united typical Dems against the Dems with her anti coal talk. Which in turn united them against that woman who was an old DEP worker.

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Corrik7 posted...

VintageGin posted...

What is your job?

I turn coal to coke. Lol

I mean, I feel like most if not all democratic candidates have emphasized retraining programs for coal workers. Is that not enough, or are coke processing jobs not considered coal jobs here?
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retraining programs are literally useless
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VintageGin posted...

I mean, I feel like most if not all democratic candidates have emphasized retraining programs for coal workers. Is that not enough, or are coke processing jobs not considered coal jobs here?

Most people think coal jobs is mining and power.

That's why when Clinton said she wanted to kill coal, she didn't realize how much if the chain and affiliations it was affecting.

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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/adamcbest/status/1171474457606516736?s=21

Jim Cramer and a @CNBC panel discuss Wall Street executives being absolutely terrified of Elizabeth Warren and how they've never seen anything quite like it before. This is the greatest Warren campaign ad possible.

Warren agrees.

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1171538730621915136
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