Poll of the Day > Why do they call it circumcision instead of male genitalia mutilation?

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On the flip side of the coin, why don't they call it female circumcision?
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Cuz the media is normal normative
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Uncut is gross.
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StoneRevolver posted...

Uncut is gross.

"Gross" is a matter of opinion, and it does nothing to answer the question.
Also, glad to know you're interested enough in other men's penises to find them gross or otherwise.
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DrCidd posted...

StoneRevolver posted...

Uncut is gross.

"Gross" is a matter of opinion, and it does nothing to answer the question.

You are correct. And that is my opinion as well as my only thoughts on the matter.
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DrCidd posted...

StoneRevolver posted...

Uncut is gross.

"Gross" is a matter of opinion, and it does nothing to answer the question.
Also, glad to know you're interested enough in other men's penises to find them gross or otherwise.

You made a topic about male genitalia......

Circumcision is barbaric and it's frightening how its still legal.

party_animal07 posted...

DrCidd posted...

StoneRevolver posted...

Uncut is gross.

"Gross" is a matter of opinion, and it does nothing to answer the question.
Also, glad to know you're interested enough in other men's penises to find them gross or otherwise.

You made a topic about male genitalia......

and we're all adults over the age of 25. We can talk about the human body without it being weird. It's unfair that infant males still have no human rights when it comes to circumcision.

DrCidd posted...

On the flip side of the coin, why don't they call it female circumcision?

They do.
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As an uncut straight guy, circumcized dicks look better IMO.

When you get circumcized you also lose some nerve endings in that particular area though.
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To trick babies into agreeing to the procedure
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party_animal07 posted...

You made a topic about male genitalia......

See, the difference is. I don't have an opinion of whether it's gross or not. I am not interested in yours or anyone else's penis for that matter. I'm simply having a discussion about why it's apparently acceptable to mutilate a baby boy's penis, while it's a crime against nature to do the same to a baby girl's vagina.

And by "they", I guess I should have clarified. I mean the people (usually women) who believes it to be okay to circumcise boys, based on the fact that they think it looks weird, or that it's gross vs any form of female circumcision automatically being considered mutilation.

It's like if I were to say "There is absolutely nothing wrong with female circumcision based on the fact that I find this part of the vagina to be repulsive." and everyone just agreed with me because reasons.

The fact of the matter is, more boys die as a result of complications due to botched circumcisions than ones who actually end up needing it for a medical reason.

So to those of you who are for it. Would you still advocate circumcision if one of your children died from this unnecessary procedure?
You can say that it's cleaner all you want, but that argument only has weight if you live in the dark ages and don't have access to things like soap and running water.
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party_animal07 posted...

DrCidd posted...

StoneRevolver posted...

Uncut is gross.

"Gross" is a matter of opinion, and it does nothing to answer the question.
Also, glad to know you're interested enough in other men's penises to find them gross or otherwise.

You made a topic about male genitalia......

LMAO

Just close the topic now, TC
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It's not surprising that it's mostly Americans that think mutilating newborn males should be the norm. *cough*cultureofviolence*cough*
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Hahaha "rights".
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I couldn't coherently answer this question without breaking the cites rules.

SunWuKung420 posted...

It's not surprising that it's mostly Americans that think mutilating newborn males should be the norm. *cough*cultureofviolence*cough*

I disagree
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DrCidd posted...

On the flip side of the coin, why don't they call it female circumcision?

Last time I looked girls don't have a foreskin.

StoneRevolver posted...

Uncut is gross.

Does a Banana look more appealing with or without the skin? The answer is it doesn't matter as it's still going in a hole at some point.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Last time I looked girls don't have a foreskin.

They do however have a circumference that can be cut.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

They do however have a circumference that can be cut.

Circumcision however is the remove of said foreskin. For females they call it female genital mutilation for the reason females don't have a foreskin. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

They do however have a circumference that can be cut.

Circumcision however is the remove of said foreskin. For females they call it female genital mutilation for the reason females don't have a foreskin. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.

It's called a circumcision because it's an incision around the circumference.

Trimming vaginal skin is a female circumcision, just as a male circumcision is male genital mutilation.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Trimming vaginal skin is a female circumcision, just as a male circumcision is male genital mutilation.

Then I suppose we are back to the topic question. Why have two different terms for these things?
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wwinterj25 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Trimming vaginal skin is a female circumcision, just as a male circumcision is male genital mutilation.

Then I suppose we are back to the topic question. Why have two different terms for these things?

Because male victim domestic abuse is him getting his comeuppance while female victim domestic abuse is attempted murder.

We live in a world of double standards, so men are supposed to be sexually aggressive and physically resilient and women are supposed to be sexually passive and physically fragile.
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The term genitalia mutilation sounds much more barbaric though.
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wwinterj25 posted...

The term genitalia mutilation sounds much more barbaric though.

Circumcision is a barbaric practice though, it's just been normalised, like when Christianity was forced on our Pagan homeland.
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Its a health thing, nurses find it absolutely disgusting when dealing with uncut patients.
No amount of screaming "but its natural and feels better!!" on the internet should change anyone's mind.
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Anisoptera posted...

and we're all adults over the age of 25. We can talk about the human body without it being weird. It's unfair that infant males still have no human rights when it comes to circumcision.

Speak for yourself. The subject isn't really A+ material...

AltOmega posted...

nurses find it absolutely disgusting when dealing with uncut patients.

Tell me more.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Last time I looked girls don't have a foreskin.

What do you think the clitoral hood is?

Moving away from the term "female circumcision" in favour of "female genital mutilation," though, is more a matter of recognizing that a whole lot more is done to the female genitals than just what would technically qualify as circumcision. Clitorectomy, sewing the vagina shut, chopping off labia... "Circumcision" could probably still be used as a blanket term, but "genital mutilation" clearly covers everything without having to redefine it. In addition to generally being more invasive, it's typically seen as being worse than male genital mutilation because it's practiced purely for the purposes of keeping women sexually oppressed and subservient (they're not particularly likely to choose to have sex if sex is unenjoyable or painful or prevented by being sewn shut), whereas male genital mutilation is predominantly a matter of tradition (even having come into fashion as a puritanical anti-sex thing in the US).

For the record, neither are remotely okay, and nobody should be doing anything irreversible to babies' genitals (or any other body part, for that matter) unless it's medically necessary. Acting like the difference in common terminology is an example of men's oppression, though, is ignoring any of the details on the matter beyond the superficial similarities (namely that they both involve surgically altering genitals without consent). The actual details of what's going on are more complex than that, so you aren't going to get anywhere playing the victim (especially with the number of happily-cut men who will say "I don't feel oppressed" if you try to take that approach).

wwinterj25 posted...

AltOmega posted...

nurses find it absolutely disgusting when dealing with uncut patients.

Tell me more.

Presumably, they don't like dealing with smegma, which is going to be inevitable when dealing with uncut patients. In practice, it's not exactly hard to clean a dick regardless of how much foreskin is there, and viewing a bit of smegma as being worse than a similar quantity of feces, urine, vomit, or pus is a consequence of how normalized circumcision is, rather than anything inherently more unsanitary about it.

Because society normalizes harm against men while protesting against the same being done to women?
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mutilate
/myoodlt/Submit
verb
verb: mutilate; 3rd person present: mutilates; past tense: mutilated; past participle: mutilated; gerund or present participle: mutilating
inflict a violent and disfiguring injury on.
"the leg was badly mutilated"
synonyms:mangle, maim, disfigure, butcher, dismember; cripple
"the bodies had been mutilated"
inflict serious damage on.
"the 14th-century church had been partly mutilated in the 18th century"
synonyms:vandalize, damage, deface, ruin, spoil, destroy, wreck, violate, desecrate; informaltrash
"the painting was mutilated"

calling circumcision mutilation is literally an incorrect use of the word. my penis hasn't been put out of commission or injured. skin was taken off, and i can still use it as intended (i'd argue better than uncut), ok?
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Aculo posted...

i can still use it as intended (i'd argue better than uncut)

You'd lose that argument. The best you could manage to claim would be equal performance; in every objective measure, uncut is better for sex than cut.

Zeus posted...

Because society normalizes harm against men while protesting against the same being done to women?

What did I literally just say about the "men are so oppressed!" approach to the matter?

_AdjI_ posted...

You'd lose that argument. The best you could manage to claim would be equal performance; in every objective measure, uncut is better for sex than cut.

i'm surprised i have to be the one to tell you this, but your dangus has other uses besides sex. but i'd also say sex is my favorite use of it, ok?

plus i'd argue not having a flap of skin that gets filled with smegma and infected with harmful bacteria is a good thing for performance, ok?
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balanitis definitely impedes performance, or at the very least, the pain makes the pleasure less enjoyable, ok?

Symptoms include pain, redness, and a foul-smelling discharge from under the foreskin.

fuck that, ok?
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Aculo posted...

i'm surprised i have to be the one to tell you this, but your dangus has other uses besides sex. but i'd also say sex is my favorite use of it, ok?

It doesn't really make a difference for peeing or helicoptering either, and that's about all the other uses I can think of for it. Maybe you're more imaginative than I am and can give me new ideas.

Aculo posted...

plus i'd argue not having a flap of skin that gets filled with smegma and infected with harmful bacteria is a good thing for performance, ok?

I'm sorry you don't have access to soap or running water. That must be pretty rough for you.

_AdjI_ posted...

Maybe you're more imaginative than I am and can give me new ideas.

loads. i'll pm you later, ok?

_AdjI_ posted...

I'm sorry you don't have access to soap or running water. That must be pretty rough for you.

oh, i do, and i'd say most people with foreskin do too... and yet, people still get balantis, ok?
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Aculo posted...

oh, i do, and i'd say most people with foreskin do too... and yet, people still get balantis, ok?

And what does the wiki/webMD tab you've got open say about the causes of balanitis?

_AdjI_ posted...

Aculo posted...

oh, i do, and i'd say most people with foreskin do too... and yet, people still get balantis, ok?

And what does the wiki/webMD tab you've got open say about the causes of balanitis?

it's closed now, but you're free to check it out, my bro, ok?
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_AdjI_ posted...

Acting like the difference in common terminology is an example of men's oppression, though, is ignoring any of the details on the matter beyond the superficial similarities (namely that they both involve surgically altering genitals without consent).

Driving is still called driving in India despite being vastly more dangerous, calling it genital mutilation (and bringing in female extraneously) is to propagandise disfigurement on women.

And btw, female genital mutilation is almost exclusively brought up in the context of third world countries, where the male equivalent is hardly clean and elegant.

_AdjI_ posted...

Presumably, they don't like dealing with smegma, which is going to be inevitable when dealing with uncut patients.

I don't have a smeggy dick, the presence of smegma is from poor hygiene.

Aculo posted...

mutilate
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verb
verb: mutilate; 3rd person present: mutilates; past tense: mutilated; past participle: mutilated; gerund or present participle: mutilating
inflict a violent and disfiguring injury on.

calling circumcision mutilation is literally an incorrect use of the word. my penis hasn't been put out of commission or injured. skin was taken off, and i can still use it as intended (i'd argue better than uncut), ok?

It's look has been disfigured from nature and the nerves have been permanently injured, you have a disfiguring injury.

_AdjI_ posted...

What did I literally just say about the "men are so oppressed!" approach to the matter?

Nothing of value.

Aculo posted...

i'd argue not having a flap of skin that gets filled with smegma and infected with harmful bacteria is a good thing for performance, ok?

It's anti-bacterial bro, your dry, cracked knob is more vulnerable to infection.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Driving is still called driving in India despite being vastly more dangerous,

While still being the same basic procedure. A male circumcision differs from even a female circumcision as a procedure, let alone from the other forms that female genital mutilation takes. The difference is not just in the level of danger involved, but rather the wider range of procedures that necessitates the use of a blanket term.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

I don't have a smeggy dick, the presence of smegma is from poor hygiene.

And poor hygiene is pretty inevitable when dealing with a bedridden patient who needs a nurse to wash him. Yay! Context!

Aculo posted...

it's closed now,

Ctrl+Shift+T. I'm not going to do your learning for you, dude.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Nothing of value.

You disagree that "circumcision is male oppression!" loses some weight when any number of millions of happily-cut men can show up and say "I don't feel particularly oppressed by it"? Because that doesn't seem like a very sensible position to hold. You're going to have far more luck with the "cosmetic surgery on people who are unable to consent is bad" angle, rather than trying to turn it into a story of gendered oppression (especially when the female variant is unambiguously a matter of gendered oppression, for reasons stated above).

Kyuubi4269 posted...

I don't have a smeggy dick, the presence of smegma is from poor hygiene.

yes you do, clean your wangus, ok?

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's look has been disfigured from nature and the nerves have been permanently injured, you have a disfiguring injury.

that's a small part of the definition, but let's be honest. taking the skin off is infinitely more pleasing to the eye, and more specifically, the female eye that has to look at your gross dong dork, ok?

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's anti-bacterial bro, your dry, cracked knob is more vulnerable to infection.

lmao you have a strange concept of what a cut wangus looks like, my bro. mine has never been dry or cracked, nor have a heard of anyone else having these issues, ok?
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I'm an Army medic, after any field exercise, guess which penises get infected and which ones don't. Theres benefits to circumcision.

_AdjI_ posted...

Ctrl+Shift+T. I'm not going to do your learning for you, dude.

you asked the question, my bruh, ok?

no cheating off the smart kids, ok?
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Aculo posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Ctrl+Shift+T. I'm not going to do your learning for you, dude.

you asked the question, my bruh, ok?

no cheating off the smart kids, ok?

You brought it up. You can dismantle your own point.

VincentAdultman posted...

I'm an Army medic, after any field exercise, guess which penises get infected and which ones don't. Theres benefits to circumcision.

In circumstances where one doesn't have access to soap and water? Sure. There's a reason Judaism latched onto it thousands of years ago in the desert.

_AdjI_ posted...

Aculo posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Ctrl+Shift+T. I'm not going to do your learning for you, dude.

you asked the question, my bruh, ok?
no cheating off the smart kids, ok?

You brought it up. You can dismantle your own point.

it's your point, i never made any specific point about it, my breh, ok?
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Aculo posted...

i never made any specific point about it

You made the point that it's bad and worth being uncut to avoid. Making that point requires you to also demonstrate that being circumcised is the only reasonable way to avoid it, which means addressing the cause.

Really, if you can't follow through on what you're saying, you shouldn't have started talking in the first place. That's just sloppy.

fine, robot... here's the info you were too lazy to get, ok?

Causes of balanitis:

-poor hygiene, leading to a build-up of smegma
-irritation under the foreskin caused by pee
-soaps, shower gels, and other skin irritants
-thrush
-a bacterial infection
-a sexually transmitted infection (STI)
-skin conditions, such as eczema, psoriasis, and lichen sclerosus
-children fiddling with their foreskin

Preventing balanitis
You can reduce your chances of getting balanitis by:

-keeping your penis clean
-avoiding harsh soaps and other skin irritants
-using soap substitutes, such as an emollient
-practising safe sex to avoid an STI
-using latex-free condoms if you have a latex allergy
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_AdjI_ posted...

-snip-.

As always thanks wiki.
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Aculo posted...

fine, robot... here's the info you were too lazy to get:

Causes of balanitis:

-poor hygiene, leading to a build-up of smegma
-irritation under the foreskin caused by pee
-soaps, shower gels, and other skin irritants
-thrush
-a bacterial infection
-a sexually transmitted infection (STI)
-skin conditions, such as eczema, psoriasis, and lichen sclerosus
-children fiddling with their foreskin

Preventing balanitis
You can reduce your chances of getting balanitis by:

keeping your penis clean
avoiding harsh soaps and other skin irritants
using soap substitutes, such as an emollient
practising safe sex to avoid an STI
using latex-free condoms if you have a latex allergy

Oh hey, you don't even need to think critically about the causes, it just gave prevention strategies that don't involve chopping anything off. Would you look at that.

Now, citing eczema as a potential cause is something that you can't necessarily fix with good hygiene. That's an example of a case where circumcision could be considered medically necessary, if the guy has chronic problems with balanitis. Nothing wrong with that, especially where the guy would be old enough to decide for himself what he wanted. The issue is not with circumcision as an elective procedure, it's with parents deciding to have their babies' genitals mutilated. Cosmetic surgery on people who can't consent is not okay.

wwinterj25 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

-snip-.

As always thanks wiki.

A rather fitting choice of word there >.>

DrCidd posted...

StoneRevolver posted...

Uncut is gross.

"Gross" is a matter of opinion, and it does nothing to answer the question.
Also, glad to know you're interested enough in other men's penises to find them gross or otherwise.

Then Ill say it. As a guy interested in penises, they do look gross...

wwinterj25 posted...

Does a Banana look more appealing with or without the skin? The answer is it doesn't matter as it's still going in a hole at some point.

But usually, its just the inside part... like the part without the skin...

_AdjI_ posted...

in every objective measure, uncut is better for sex than cut.

Except for trying to find a sexual partner as easily in the US. Especially gay. Most gays guys seem to be more attracted to cut cocks, tbh...

_AdjI_ posted...

I'm sorry you don't have access to soap or running water. That must be pretty rough for you.

There are many times where you might not. For example, I wouldnt ake shower at jut before school. Lots of people did. And would usually wash off in the sink before school. When playing sports, you could get very sweaty. If someone had gun class first period at school. Then had to stay that way for the rest of the day (no showers at school), then stayed late because they played a sport and had a game at a school that was far away. And would be coming home after, they could be without soap and water for a while. Though, I dont know how long you would have to be without it. Theres also camping if someone forgets to bring it...
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_AdjI_ posted...

Cosmetic surgery on people who can't consent is not okay.

depends. i'm glad my dad took me to have it done when i was a baby. to make that decision now as an adult would be difficult. but i gotta admit, i am enjoying the benefits!

i don't have a gross dog dong, i have a much smaller chance of getting balantis, i'll never have to deal with dick cheese (aka, smegma, fucking barf), and women aren't repulsed when they see my wangus, ok?
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