Poll of the Day > Star Wars episode 8 Last Jedi spoiler

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So if Flynn and Rose never had there side story, the rebels wouldn't have so many causality and would have gotten away. Flynn is the ulimate stormtrooper killing majority of the rebels.
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Finn and Rose's contrived subplot wouldn't have happened at all if Holdo wasn't hiding that she had a plan for no reason and being a douche about it.

Also, if lightspeeding into enemy vessels is a thing the entire chase shouldn't have happened in the first place because they could have just lightspeeded the medical ship into the First Order dreadnought.

Also the idea that every First Order ship has a light speed tracker but they only use one at a time which is why they had to very specifically infiltrate one specific ship to disable it in such a fashion that it's specifically undetectable for 6 minutes is extremely plot convenient nonsense.
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Who's Flynn? Were you in the right theater?
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Who's Flynn? Were you in the right theater?

Harry Flynn!
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The argument on Holdo is that her plan was need to know. Poe is a fighter pilot, he didn't need to know their plans since it didn't involve fighting.
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ernieforss posted...

The argument on Holdo is that she was on need to know. Poe is a fighter pilot, he didn't need to know their plans since it didn't involve fighting.

Why?

There wasn't a reason for it. Not only did she refuse to even state that she had a plan, she was being an arse to anyone for asking.

The story than attempts to push the message that "heroism is bad" with Poe "learning his lesson", but the actual message they push because of how the story is written is "blindly follow authority".
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Holdo was a terrible character and most of the movie was pointless.

I'm not just bitter about Luke, dammit.
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on the lightspeed, i'm with you. shields in the entire movie was wonky and was too convenient. Most of the movie had a lot of convenient things happening.
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@DarkKirby2500

i can only speculate that she didn't want to tell anyone her plans incase of an imperial spy telling them that they are going to secretly escape the ship, because that is when they are most vulnerable.

Also you are a leader of the entire rebel troops, you have to stand strong. If Gny. Sgt. Hartman had his subject question him and question his authority, he would act like a jerk and tell to stop asking questions and follow orders
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going lightspeed into a star destroyer seemed like a last ditch effort. it didnt seem planned.

i think it was a little convenient but i dont think they can just do that all the time. it worked because it was a big ship going into another big ship.

i liked the movie but my least favorite part was spoilers. leia flying through space and surviving

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Well, despite your spoiler tags not being correct, it really should be hard to believe that Leia can use the force. She is Anakin's daughter after all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHds1LU2zIA
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argonautweakend posted...

going lightspeed into a star destroyer seemed like a last ditch effort. it didnt seem planned.

i think it was a little convenient but i dont think they can just do that all the time. it worked because it was a big ship going into another big ship.

It was a last ditch effort, the problem people have with the scene is if this works, why isn't that just plan A?

They were shown to abandon multiple large ships during the chase because they ran out of fuel first, if you can just destroy what looks like a ship more than 100X the size of the ship you're using to ram with light speed, they should be doing that all the time.

Something I've seen mentioned by some SW fans, fuel running out has never been an issue in Star Wars before TLJ, Luke in Ep 5-6 makes multiple lightspeed jumps in just his X-Wing, and multiple times in the prequels people travel extreme distances in space with small personal craft.
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TigerTycoon posted...

if you can just destroy what looks like a ship more than 100X the size of the ship you're using to ram with light speed, they should be doing that all the time.

no, they can't. The rebellion has always had a limited number of ships they can use. They can't just suicide their ships all the time. In fact, I bet when a battle is over they go scavenge the battle site for parts and what not. Assuming not everything just blows up like it does in the movies.
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ernieforss posted...

@DarkKirby2500

i can only speculate that she didn't want to tell anyone her plans incase of an imperial spy telling them that they are going to secretly escape the ship, because that is when they are most vulnerable.

Also you are a leader of the entire rebel troops, you have to stand strong. If Gny. Sgt. Hartman had his subject question him and question his authority, he would act like a jerk and tell to stop asking questions and follow orders

That still is a pretty foolish plan, as that logic goes both ways. Her silence personally made me think that she was the imperial spy.

AllstarSniper32 posted...

TigerTycoon posted...

if you can just destroy what looks like a ship more than 100X the size of the ship you're using to ram with light speed, they should be doing that all the time.

no, they can't. The rebellion has always had a limited number of ships they can use. They can't just suicide their ships all the time. In fact, I bet when a battle is over they go scavenge the battle site for parts and what not. Assuming not everything just blows up like it does in the movies.

This is assuming every battle the Rebels fight they don't lose any spacecraft.

If they are fighting an large enemy in which they are losing multiple spacecraft anyway, they could just light speed one of their ships into the enemy so the rest can survive or escape.

How about that beginning scene where they lose like 15 snail like bombers which can only drop bombs straight down in 0 gravity. Autopilot light speed one of the bombers into the enemy ship instead if making that agonizingly slow flight with 15 of your ships.

Or if the first order uses that lightspeed tracking again they'll just lightspeed ram one of their ships into the enemy ship so they rest of the ships can escape.

The issue is introducing that lightspeed ramming is a viable weapon opens a huge can of worms into how combat is approached in the Star Wars universe.
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Maybe there's tech that inhibits ships from reaching light speed if inside the sphere of influence, in order to prevent this exact thing from happening. But the First Order wanted them to jump because it would've cost a significant amount of their remaining energy. They just weren't counting on the jump being aimed at them because it's not something that normally happens in battle.

I dunno... but it was a phenomenal scene that I'm glad we got.

Totally agree with the Holdo withholding her plan being really dumb. They knew Poe was brash (it's a whole thing at the beginning). She should have said something at the very least when they got held up.

Or just slip in a line about a traitor... Toss out the light speed tracker, make it so the FO tracked a storm trooper implant in Finn. This'd introduce doubt into the situation that they could play off.
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That's pretty much exactly how I felt. Their side story was incredibly unneeded and actually hurt the rebels in the end.

But it let them add a billion more plot twists which they seemed to get off on in this movie.
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It's like if leading the Empire back to the Rebel Base in ANH had gotten everyone killed and accomplished nothing.
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What i don't get why does the rebel have overweight pilots. Don't they know they are the first to get blown up?
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