Poll of the Day > Who is the strongest Avenger?

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Hulk like raging fire. Thor like smouldering fire.
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Hulk is like the 4th strongest Marvel Character so... Hulk
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Which world are you using?

shadowsword87 posted...

Which world are you using?

As this was kinda like a running joke in Thor Ragnarok, I'm gonna say the MCU ; )
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silver surfer. he's invincible until you take away his board.
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ernieforss posted...

silver surfer. he's invincible until you take away his board.

the board isn't the source to his power. he could simply create another board
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Doctor Strange seemed to have the upper hand against Thor.
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JOExHIGASHI posted...

ernieforss posted...

silver surfer. he's invincible until you take away his board.

the board isn't the source to his power. he could simply create another board

I think he's bashing the movie.
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Spider-Ham
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I saw a thing done by marvel once that stated they literally invented thor to be stronger than hulk. because their logic was how do you create someone stronger than hulk? by literally making them a god.

now it was a long time ago since i've seen that and the characters surely have changed since their original versions.
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Fart man.

He's undefeated.

Worlds greatest shock jockey by day crime fighter by night
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Are we completely ruling out Vision here?
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Idk about avengers but I'm 100% certain the joker would easily defeat and be more dangerous than Freddy Kruger Jason voorhees leatherface the hellrsiser cennobites, Michael Myers, etc etc.

Simple undeniable reason- the rest always loose to a bunch of teens, it takes minimum of the batman to take down the joker....

And that's mostly cause he somewhat sees batman as a game and wants to be caught.
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Conner4REAL posted...

Idk about avengers but I'm 100% certain the joker would easily defeat and be more dangerous than Freddy Kruger Jason voorhees leatherface the hellrsiser cennobites, Michael Myers, etc etc.

Simple undeniable reason- the rest always loose to a bunch of teens, it takes minimum of the batman to take down the joker....

And that's mostly cause he somewhat sees batman as a game and wants to be caught.

joker is only more dangerous because he goes for high body counts at times, and the simple fact the bats keeps letting him live. if batman had killed him the first time they went against each other (which was actually the original idea, but they decided the joker was too good of a character to be a one off villain) joker would be nothing but a footnote in gotham's history
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Conner4REAL posted...

Idk about avengers but I'm 100% certain the joker would easily defeat and be more dangerous than Freddy Kruger Jason voorhees leatherface the hellrsiser cennobites, Michael Myers, etc etc.

Simple undeniable reason- the rest always loose to a bunch of teens, it takes minimum of the batman to take down the joker....

And that's mostly cause he somewhat sees batman as a game and wants to be caught.

This is a sort of plot armor on Joker's part though. DC Heroes play his game. I just can't see the bulk of Marvel's heavies except for Deadpool even playing by the Joker's rules. Hulk didn't even put up with Loki's shit in the MCU, he'd squash Joker like an insect.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Conner4REAL posted...

Idk about avengers but I'm 100% certain the joker would easily defeat and be more dangerous than Freddy Kruger Jason voorhees leatherface the hellrsiser cennobites, Michael Myers, etc etc.

Simple undeniable reason- the rest always loose to a bunch of teens, it takes minimum of the batman to take down the joker....

And that's mostly cause he somewhat sees batman as a game and wants to be caught.

joker is only more dangerous because he goes for high body counts at times, and the simple fact the bats keeps letting him live. if batman had killed him the first time they went against each other (which was actually the original idea, but they decided the joker was too good of a character to be a one off villain) joker would be nothing but a footnote in gotham's history

And yet/ a bunch of TEENS regularly take out the others. Many times repeat....

You just proved my point.
Also batman was more along the lines of Adam west back in the day....

Then again so was the joker.

I'll give you that- pre frank miller era batman and joker and all of them were probably only slightly more capable than a bunch of untrained teens making stupid decisions.
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Conner4REAL posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Conner4REAL posted...

Idk about avengers but I'm 100% certain the joker would easily defeat and be more dangerous than Freddy Kruger Jason voorhees leatherface the hellrsiser cennobites, Michael Myers, etc etc.

Simple undeniable reason- the rest always loose to a bunch of teens, it takes minimum of the batman to take down the joker....

And that's mostly cause he somewhat sees batman as a game and wants to be caught.

joker is only more dangerous because he goes for high body counts at times, and the simple fact the bats keeps letting him live. if batman had killed him the first time they went against each other (which was actually the original idea, but they decided the joker was too good of a character to be a one off villain) joker would be nothing but a footnote in gotham's history

And yet/ a bunch of TEENS regularly take out the others. Many times repeat....

You just proved my point.
Also batman was more along the lines of Adam west back in the day....

Then again so was the joker.

I'll give you that- pre frank miller era batman and joker and all of them were probably only slightly more capable than a bunch of untrained teens making stupid decisions.

my main point being that if he killed the joker, end of story for joker. the other horror movie characters you mention tend to come back from death. and i'm fully aware comic book characters come back to life too, but its often alternate timeline/universe or some contrived BS pulled out of no where explaining they never got killed to begin with.

but i'm mostly agreeing with you, joke is more dangerous but only because no one does what needs to be done, thus they allow him to be that dangerous.

I mean i've read articles explaining that the legion of doom generally won't let him be a member because they are afraid of what he might do. and the trickster even said that super villains tell horror stories of the joker around a campfire. or something like that.
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But didn't the joker "come back" in the same way?

Someone wanted to make more money and keep it going?

Even if they did have batman kill the joker, if enough money is to be made, he would come back. That is true of all comics.

How many times did comic heroes die? Ripley died in aliens how many times they brought her back- they killed Nancy she came back of sorts, it's not only comics.

It's not if they come back. Its the old adage you are as good as your worst enemy. And scared teens are not much of a notch in the belt no matter how good their bouncing Tits are.

I'm not sure where I'm going with this anymore. I'm either going to watch Rambo (last one) or bachelor party....
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Conner4REAL posted...

But didn't the joker "come back" in the same way?

Someone wanted to make more money and keep it going?

Even if they did have batman kill the joker, if enough money is to be made, he would come back. That is true of all comics.

DC and Marvel have very different sets of rules where "death" is concerned though.
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Conner4REAL posted...

But didn't the joker "come back" in the same way?

Someone wanted to make more money and keep it going?

Even if they did have batman kill the joker, if enough money is to be made, he would come back. That is true of all comics.

yeah I was saying they'd make some sort of explanation though, that he didn't really die, or alternate timeline/universe. so thats kind of different than having a dude that no matter how many times you kill he'll just undeniably come back.

I mean if they really really wanted to they could use the lazarus pit, but that would take some pretty convenient story telling as to how and why he got access to it.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Conner4REAL posted...

But didn't the joker "come back" in the same way?

Someone wanted to make more money and keep it going?

Even if they did have batman kill the joker, if enough money is to be made, he would come back. That is true of all comics.

DC and Marvel have very different sets of rules where "death" is concerned though.

Not really- green runs all comics like it runs the world.

As for most powerful actual long term avenger- dr strange.

Unless you count the off crossovers where Osborn was running things then dr doom.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Conner4REAL posted...

But didn't the joker "come back" in the same way?

Someone wanted to make more money and keep it going?

Even if they did have batman kill the joker, if enough money is to be made, he would come back. That is true of all comics.

yeah I was saying they'd make some sort of explanation though, that he didn't really die, or alternate timeline/universe. so thats kind of different than having a dude that no matter how many times you kill he'll just undeniably come back.

I mean if they really really wanted to they could use the lazarus pit, but that would take some pretty convenient story telling as to how and why he got access to it.

Not as such. Joker has swam into the batcave before just for the lolz and that's not even the only known pit in the world. That's like 7 miles underwater to begin with. Like I said before, Joker has plot armor in spades.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Conner4REAL posted...

But didn't the joker "come back" in the same way?

Someone wanted to make more money and keep it going?

Even if they did have batman kill the joker, if enough money is to be made, he would come back. That is true of all comics.

yeah I was saying they'd make some sort of explanation though, that he didn't really die, or alternate timeline/universe. so thats kind of different than having a dude that no matter how many times you kill he'll just undeniably come back.

I mean if they really really wanted to they could use the lazarus pit, but that would take some pretty convenient story telling as to how and why he got access to it.

Not as such. Joker has swam into the batcave before just for the lolz and that's not even the only known pit in the world. That's like 7 miles underwater to begin with. Like I said before, Joker has plot armor in spades.

the lazurus pit is heavily guarded by assassins. where as the bat cave is guarded by an old (though capable I admit) butler when batman's not home.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Conner4REAL posted...

But didn't the joker "come back" in the same way?

Someone wanted to make more money and keep it going?

Even if they did have batman kill the joker, if enough money is to be made, he would come back. That is true of all comics.

yeah I was saying they'd make some sort of explanation though, that he didn't really die, or alternate timeline/universe. so thats kind of different than having a dude that no matter how many times you kill he'll just undeniably come back.

I mean if they really really wanted to they could use the lazarus pit, but that would take some pretty convenient story telling as to how and why he got access to it.

Not as such. Joker has swam into the batcave before just for the lolz and that's not even the only known pit in the world. That's like 7 miles underwater to begin with. Like I said before, Joker has plot armor in spades.

the lazurus pit is heavily guarded by assassins. where as the bat cave is guarded by an old (though capable I admit) butler when batman's not home.

At least the god-damned Fortress of Solitude has a security system ffs...
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Physical strength? Hulk by far. Power? The strongest Avenger is probably Vision.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Conner4REAL posted...

But didn't the joker "come back" in the same way?

Someone wanted to make more money and keep it going?

Even if they did have batman kill the joker, if enough money is to be made, he would come back. That is true of all comics.

yeah I was saying they'd make some sort of explanation though, that he didn't really die, or alternate timeline/universe. so thats kind of different than having a dude that no matter how many times you kill he'll just undeniably come back.

I mean if they really really wanted to they could use the lazarus pit, but that would take some pretty convenient story telling as to how and why he got access to it.

Not as such. Joker has swam into the batcave before just for the lolz and that's not even the only known pit in the world. That's like 7 miles underwater to begin with. Like I said before, Joker has plot armor in spades.

the lazurus pit is heavily guarded by assassins. where as the bat cave is guarded by an old (though capable I admit) butler when batman's not home.

At least the god-damned Fortress of Solitude has a security system ffs...

so does the bat cave actually. the joker just somehow got by it. i've actually read that story arc. but you gotta remember somehow superman got his hands on kyrptonian tech if I recall so he probably does have a more advanced security system. (also canonically speaking hes smarter than bruce)

but getting by security measures that surely batman did NOT design to kill, is easier than getting by a bunch of highly trained assassins that won't hesitate to kill
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Zeus posted...

Physical strength? Hulk by far. Power? The strongest Avenger is probably Vision.

With the exception of planet hulk hulk dr strange just whimmed hulk into other dimensions....
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I'm so confused are we talking comics or movies?

Cause movie dr doom is the ultimate bitch always. Comic dr doom is the ultimate badass always.
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wasn't there a marvel character that could easily change reality? to me those are always the most OP characters. I mean if they desire they can just erase you.
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Anyone w the cosmic cube.
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Actually/ movie wise-

Dr strange is the only one who defeate a thanos level enemy....

Solo.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

wasn't there a marvel character that could easily change reality? to me those are always the most OP characters. I mean if they desire they can just erase you.

You might be thinking of Jamie Braddock. IIRC getting within like 30 of that crazy mofos pulls you into some sort of pocket dimension that his psychosis creates.

And that's ignoring a dozen other randos that have their own reality distortion fields...
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Conner4REAL posted...

Zeus posted...

Physical strength? Hulk by far. Power? The strongest Avenger is probably Vision.

With the exception of planet hulk hulk dr strange just whimmed hulk into other dimensions....

Which isn't a measure of physical strength. Physically holding together a planet is a measure of physical strength. Moving them to another dimension doesn't even necessarily denote power, although it's a useful ability.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

wasn't there a marvel character that could easily change reality? to me those are always the most OP characters. I mean if they desire they can just erase you.

You might be thinking of Jamie Braddock. IIRC getting within like 30 of that crazy mofos pulls you into some sort of pocket dimension that his psychosis creates.

And that's ignoring a dozen other randos that have their own reality distortion fields...

idk I feel like he was somehow related to x-man comics. like my moms husband who is a marvel fanboy was telling me about him, wanna say he was the son of apokolips (however its spelled) but I can't remember don't really follow marvel outside the movies

think he said something about too I think that originally he was altering reality without even meaning to or realizing he was.

either way though, reality warping powers are always imo the most OP powerset someone can have unless they are given a restriction like the doctor from the authority, where due to drug use he wasn't always able to focus his mind and use the power. (I think once DC got ahold of him, they made it kind of the opposite he needed to smoke a particular drug, wanna say weed but not sure, in order to focus his mind)
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Comic wise- dr strange took on death.

Didn't win, didn't die is the pointX the same death thanos was obsessed with and wanted to fuck (the real reason he gathered the infinity stones), eternity being the opposite being.

If this confuses you it's cause you not reading comics w cosmic or greater level heroes.
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Conner4REAL posted...

Comic wise- dr strange took on death.

Didn't win, didn't die is the pointX the same death thanos was obsessed with and wanted to fuck (the real reason he gathered the infinity stones), eternity being the opposite being.

If this confuses you it's cause you not reading comics w cosmic or greater level heroes.

actually I knew most of that, and I don't read marvel comics, but I knew what I knew cause i liked deadpool and wiki'd his stories. also as pointed out in another post my mom is married to a marvel nerd. he has probably just under 1000 comics and 98% of them are marvel. and you bring something marvel comic book related to him, and its in the realm of possibility he may go off talking about it and branching into other things marvel related for a good while
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mooreandrew58 posted...

idk I feel like he was somehow related to x-man comics.

Legion maybe? IDK, lately it seems Omega level powers are handed out like candy and being the kid of any of the Omegas is a guarantee of Omega powers too from what I can tell though there's no explanation as to why...
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

idk I feel like he was somehow related to x-man comics.

Legion maybe? IDK, lately it seems Omega level powers are handed out like candy and being the kid of any of the Omegas is a guarantee of Omega powers too from what I can tell though there's no explanation as to why...

that may have been it. name rings a bell but i'm not positive. but with a name I suppose I can google it.

edit: seems familiar. so i'm going to wager thats the one I was thinking of.
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Legion has on the best of days a tenuous grip on his powers but iirc was Xavier or Magneto's kid, he may as well be as fucked as Jamie Braddock, though you can at least have a sensible conversation with Legion when he's lucid...
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Legion has on the best of days a tenuous grip on his powers but iirc was Xavier or Magneto's kid, he may as well be as fucked as Jamie Braddock, though you can at least have a sensible conversation with Legion when he's lucid...

legion it says xavier was the father. also says he has multiple personalities. but reality warping characters I do feel need something restricting them or else they are just too powerful to the point it would be impossible for them to ever really lose outside of a really convenient plot or them just having a "derp" moment and not using their powers very wisely or at all.
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What exactly do you mean by strongest? Do you mean most powerful, or the most physically strong?

Hulk is physically the strongest Avenger.
Thor is the most powerful Avenger.

where was thor during planet hulk storyline?

this could have solve this debate.
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Conner4REAL posted...

But didn't the joker "come back" in the same way?

Someone wanted to make more money and keep it going?

Even if they did have batman kill the joker, if enough money is to be made, he would come back. That is true of all comics.

Joker was actually the character that started that trend though. Before that all villains were either recurring because they constantly beat the hero, or died off and never seen again. Keep in mind the Joker was back in the 40's, before that (and even during that time with Batman) the heroes didn't have any problem killing off villains and the concept of a "super villain" didn't really exist outside of a few rare cases.

I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility that if Finger had gotten his way and Joker died in Batman #1, we would have never seen him again because he would have just been another Batman villain that got killed off.
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