Board 8 > ~~Japanese History Mafia~~ Topic 5 - I know not what life is, nor death

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Reg
07/25/17 7:15:46 AM
#1:


Even a life-long prosperity is but one cup of sake;
A life of forty-nine years is passed in a dream;
I know not what life is, nor death.
Year in year out-all but a dream.
Both Heaven and Hell are left behind;
I stand in the moonlit dawn,
Free from clouds of attachment.


- Uesugi Kenshin

Alive (10):
Death
Dowolf
Gravy (Replaced Lolo)
Phoenix
Plum
Red
SBell
Scare
Sceptile
VeryInsane

Dead (5):
[LD1] Oddity - Enomoto Takeaki, TOWN Vanilla
[KN1] Tombolo - Katsu Kaishu, TOWN Jailkeeper
[KN1] Chris - Matsudaira Sadaaki, TOWN Vanilla
[LD2] pezloco - Kirino Toshiaki, MAFIA Assassin
[KN2] KBM - Hijikata Toshizo, TOWN Cop

Votals as of post #Topic 4, Post 472 (SBell)

[2] Sceptile - Dowolf, SBell
[1] Dowolf - Sceptile
[1] Phoenix - Plum
[1] Gravy - (SBell), Scare
[1] Death - Phoenix

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day ends at 9:00:00 PM EDT on Wednesday (About 37 hours and 45 minutes)

The archive for this game is located at lolreg.altervista.org/Japan/
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htaeD
07/25/17 7:21:01 AM
#2:


you mentioning Scare makes me wonder if he is forcing himself to be active by doing something wacky each day and now he is burned out
he's of less concern to me than the others though
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Obellisk
07/25/17 7:28:34 AM
#3:


We should add Red to that list too.

10 alive

5 actively playing

5 passively playing


Town only shoots itself in the foot by not participating.
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VeryInsane
07/25/17 7:52:07 AM
#4:


I passed out earlier @_@

Think the following are town:

Plum and SBell - Simply for their interactions with the Mafia Assassin on Day 1. I feel like scum would be desperately trying to push another option than pez, and he was getting an awful lot of pressure from the two of them with votes, especially early on (pez was in the lead untill around topic 2). Like them both.

dowolf - I just... don't see dowolf biting down so hard on Scare's fake scan if he is scum. He appeared very genuine, and I'm not sure if he sticks his neck out that much for scumbuddy pezloco. Just... doesn't make sense.

Leaves the following:to dig through:

Death
Gravy (Replaced Lolo)
Phoenix
Red
Scare
Sceptile

A pretty interesting crew.
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Sceptilesolar
07/25/17 7:55:06 AM
#5:


SBell, I went to sleep after my post. I don't think there's anything particularly difficult to think about here. This is also the second 'slip' you are going after me for and it does not make me feel comfortable about your alignment when you are constantly fabricating reasons to call me scum.
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Obellisk
07/25/17 8:03:47 AM
#6:


What was the first slip.


Also you want to throw counter suspicion my way, that's not going to do much for you
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Sceptilesolar
07/25/17 8:07:12 AM
#7:


Obellisk posted...
What was the first slip.


Also you want to throw counter suspicion my way, that's not going to do much for you


I was thinking of me using [] for tags instead of <>. Not that that went anywhere but it is a particularly shallow way of approaching scumhunting.
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Obellisk
07/25/17 8:12:30 AM
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Sceptilesolar posted...
Obellisk posted...
What was the first slip.


Also you want to throw counter suspicion my way, that's not going to do much for you


I was thinking of me using [] for tags instead of <>. Not that that went anywhere but it is a particularly shallow way of approaching scumhunting.


Um no. You've been here 10 years. There is no excuse for that.
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Sceptilesolar
07/25/17 8:13:29 AM
#9:


Obellisk posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Obellisk posted...
What was the first slip.


Also you want to throw counter suspicion my way, that's not going to do much for you


I was thinking of me using [] for tags instead of <>. Not that that went anywhere but it is a particularly shallow way of approaching scumhunting.


Um no. You've been here 10 years. There is no excuse for that.


On that we agree, I also see no need to excuse my actions.
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Obellisk
07/25/17 8:18:21 AM
#10:


A complete about face on how you were playing because you were getting a lot of push back as being too aggresive. Perhaps trying to hard to look like you were scumhunting.

The slip on stating Chris was assassin shot when it was unwarranted and truly not known to be fact, just assumption.

The incorrect brackets when the website places them for you with the available buttons and you've been here too long to use the wrong ones unless for the last few days you've been doing a lot on another board.

That's 3 strikes for me scept. You'll be lynched. I am not backing down.
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Sceptilesolar
07/25/17 8:20:11 AM
#11:


You should back down and find a better target. Or not. After you lynch me you will likely be next for making such lousy arguments. If you're scum, then hey, go for it.
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htaeD
07/25/17 8:26:00 AM
#12:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Obellisk posted...
What was the first slip.


Also you want to throw counter suspicion my way, that's not going to do much for you


I was thinking of me using [] for tags instead of <>. Not that that went anywhere but it is a particularly shallow way of approaching scumhunting.


that happened?
I did that all the time back in the day because of how much non gf boards I visited, surprised people still use that as an example
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Obellisk
07/25/17 8:26:38 AM
#13:


I do not fear being wrong. Nor am I getting lynched this game. If your team wishes to silence me you'll have to use your night kill.
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htaeD
07/25/17 8:26:44 AM
#14:


of course I am not sure how that happens when we have automatic tag buttons now
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Obellisk
07/25/17 8:27:36 AM
#15:


htaeD posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Obellisk posted...
What was the first slip.


Also you want to throw counter suspicion my way, that's not going to do much for you


I was thinking of me using [] for tags instead of <>. Not that that went anywhere but it is a particularly shallow way of approaching scumhunting.


that happened?
I did that all the time back in the day because of how much non gf boards I visited, surprised people still use that as an example


The one and only time I've seen it prior to this game it was a scum slip. We lynched him (don't recall who) they flipped scum.
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htaeD
07/25/17 8:28:26 AM
#16:


Obellisk posted...
A complete about face on how you were playing because you were getting a lot of push back as being too aggresive. Perhaps trying to hard to look like you were scumhunting.

The slip on stating Chris was assassin shot when it was unwarranted and truly not known to be fact, just assumption.

The incorrect brackets when the website places them for you with the available buttons and you've been here too long to use the wrong ones unless for the last few days you've been doing a lot on another board.

That's 3 strikes for me scept. You'll be lynched. I am not backing down.


sbell, what page and topic?
just want to see the moment and the reactions to it
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htaeD
07/25/17 8:29:10 AM
#17:


Obellisk posted...
htaeD posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Obellisk posted...
What was the first slip.


Also you want to throw counter suspicion my way, that's not going to do much for you


I was thinking of me using [] for tags instead of <>. Not that that went anywhere but it is a particularly shallow way of approaching scumhunting.


that happened?
I did that all the time back in the day because of how much non gf boards I visited, surprised people still use that as an example


The one and only time I've seen it prior to this game it was a scum slip. We lynched him (don't recall who) they flipped scum.


well I can definitely recall doing it as town, so it doesnt guarantee anything to me
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Sceptilesolar
07/25/17 8:29:14 AM
#18:


Obellisk posted...
I do not fear being wrong. Nor am I getting lynched this game. If your team wishes to silence me you'll have to use your night kill.


So what you're saying is that you know you're wrong and are planning on getting away with it?
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Obellisk
07/25/17 8:37:41 AM
#19:


htaeD posted...
Obellisk posted...
A complete about face on how you were playing because you were getting a lot of push back as being too aggresive. Perhaps trying to hard to look like you were scumhunting.

The slip on stating Chris was assassin shot when it was unwarranted and truly not known to be fact, just assumption.

The incorrect brackets when the website places them for you with the available buttons and you've been here too long to use the wrong ones unless for the last few days you've been doing a lot on another board.

That's 3 strikes for me scept. You'll be lynched. I am not backing down.


sbell, what page and topic?
just want to see the moment and the reactions to it


The brackets? It was last night go back to page 9 of last topic maybe?
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Obellisk
07/25/17 8:38:44 AM
#20:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Obellisk posted...
I do not fear being wrong. Nor am I getting lynched this game. If your team wishes to silence me you'll have to use your night kill.


So what you're saying is that you know you're wrong and are planning on getting away with it?


No, do not be cute. It's unbecoming for a lynchee. I am saying I am confident in my read so there is no reason to feel fear.
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Sceptilesolar
07/25/17 8:44:04 AM
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Obellisk posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Obellisk posted...
I do not fear being wrong. Nor am I getting lynched this game. If your team wishes to silence me you'll have to use your night kill.


So what you're saying is that you know you're wrong and are planning on getting away with it?


No, do not be cute. It's unbecoming for a lynchee. I am saying I am confident in my read so there is no reason to feel fear.


Town shouldn't be confident. Either you know too much, and that's why you can be confident, or you are rejecting any counterevidence to fool yourself into thinking you have an ironclad case, which is reckless and foolish.
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htaeD
07/25/17 8:51:28 AM
#22:


okay I see it now, and thats a lot at once
dont know if its the kind of post one makes on a scumboard though, heck I havent even seen anyone prepare posts on a scumboard in ages
but just to satisfy my curiosity
sceptile, why didnt/couldnt you use the quote button?
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Sceptilesolar
07/25/17 8:53:26 AM
#23:


htaeD posted...
okay I see it now, and thats a lot at once
dont know if its the kind of post one makes on a scumboard though, heck I havent even seen anyone prepare posts on a scumboard in ages
but just to satisfy my curiosity
sceptile, why didnt/couldnt you use the quote button?


No reason.
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Sceptilesolar
07/25/17 8:54:02 AM
#24:


Wait, why are you even asking that? That question makes zero sense. It's not like scum isn't allowed to click buttons.
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Obellisk
07/25/17 8:54:29 AM
#25:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Obellisk posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Obellisk posted...
I do not fear being wrong. Nor am I getting lynched this game. If your team wishes to silence me you'll have to use your night kill.


So what you're saying is that you know you're wrong and are planning on getting away with it?


No, do not be cute. It's unbecoming for a lynchee. I am saying I am confident in my read so there is no reason to feel fear.


Town shouldn't be confident. Either you know too much, and that's why you can be confident, or you are rejecting any counterevidence to fool yourself into thinking you have an ironclad case, which is reckless and foolish.


3 strikes. How many times do we just shake off tells. How many "oh that's not a slip"s do you get?
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Obellisk
07/25/17 8:55:21 AM
#26:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Wait, why are you even asking that? That question makes zero sense. It's not like scum isn't allowed to click buttons.


It's a fair question. Why didn't you just quote him properly.
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Sceptilesolar
07/25/17 8:57:03 AM
#27:


Obellisk posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Wait, why are you even asking that? That question makes zero sense. It's not like scum isn't allowed to click buttons.


It's a fair question. Why didn't you just quote him properly.


Yes, a very good question. As we all know, scum is incapable of using the Gamefaqs interface. Case closed!
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Obellisk
07/25/17 9:00:43 AM
#28:


being a sarcastic smartass is not helping your case bubs.
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htaeD
07/25/17 9:01:52 AM
#29:


oh its not that
obviously scum can quote people
I was just trying to get your mindset at that time and, on a lesser note, see how fast you would answer
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htaeD
07/25/17 9:03:31 AM
#30:


heck there are so many ways to cite posts (quotes, links, writing it directly, page/post number references)
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Sceptilesolar
07/25/17 9:05:31 AM
#31:


Well, you can't link directly to posts through Reg's archive. Normally I would quote the post itself, but you can't do that either.
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htaeD
07/25/17 9:07:32 AM
#32:


ah right
.. then again I never liked directly quoting posts anyway

always drops me down to the bottom of the page, away from the rest of the posts
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Sceptilesolar
07/25/17 9:14:24 AM
#33:


Death, while you're here, who is your top scumspect? It doesn't seem like you have brought one forward yet, or did I miss it?
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Obellisk
07/25/17 9:15:44 AM
#34:


Sceptile:
My goal of mine for D1 is not to settle on an easy lynch, and not to confuse picking a name at random 30 minutes before deadline for scumhunting. I expect this will be a difficult task


^from the archive. I copied, I pasted, I hit the QUOTE button at the top of the message box at the beginning and end of my post. SOOOOO HARD.


[6] Oddity - KBM, Sceptile, Death, Chris, Phoenix, (Scare), Plum
[2] Lolo - (Tombolo), (Tombolo), Scare, Dowolf
[1] Death - pezloco, (Oddity)
[1] Red - SBell
[1] Scare - (Chris), (Oddity), (Plum), (Dowolf), VeryInsane
[1] Sceptile - (Oddity), (Lolo), (Oddity), (Oddity), (Oddity), (Dowolf), Oddity
[0] pezloco - (Chris), (Plum), (SBell), (Tombolo)
[0] Phoenix - (Dowolf), (Oddity)
[0] Plum - (Scare), (Dowolf)
[0] Chris - (Scare), (Oddity)
[0] Dowolf - (Sceptile), (Tombolo)
[0] VeryInsane - (Phoenix)
[0] No Lynch - (Tombolo), (pezloco)

Oddity has been lynched. He was Enomoto Takeaki, TOWN Vanilla



I dunno Scept, I'd say you failed at your mission for Day 1. You had a total of TWO votes all day, you were the SECOND person on the "Easy" wrong Lynch
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Obellisk
07/25/17 9:16:42 AM
#35:


certainly saying one thing and doing another couldn't possibly be misconstrued as scummy.
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Sceptilesolar
07/25/17 9:18:05 AM
#36:


I don't think Oddity was an easy lynch. He was around, he was posting, he was looking like scum, so I lynched him. By my own measurements, I did what I said I would, and it doesn't really matter to me if you think differently.
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Obellisk
07/25/17 9:26:47 AM
#37:


Sceptilesolar posted...
it doesn't really matter to me if you think differently.


Sceptilesolar 7/18/2017 9:52:16 PM#153
I don't really see why being offensive is lauded as a Town quality. Being inoffensive is a goal of mine in games. Calm reasoning and debate is of far greater value to Town than posturing and rampant egotism.

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Sceptilesolar
07/25/17 9:27:58 AM
#38:


Yes, yes. You're really going out of your way to provoke me here for some reason.
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Sceptilesolar
07/25/17 9:28:57 AM
#39:


You're not even making arguments anymore. You're just trying to make me feel bad about my play. I think that's pretty shameful if you're actually town.
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htaeD
07/25/17 9:32:08 AM
#40:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Death, while you're here, who is your top scumspect? It doesn't seem like you have brought one forward yet, or did I miss it?


right now it'd be Lolo/Gravy
and I am wary of VI and Phoenix as well
but my feelings may be outdated
I need to read up again once I have the time
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Obellisk
07/25/17 9:32:38 AM
#41:


did you jsut go from calling my reckless and foolish and telling me you don't give two shits about my opinion to playing the victim card?

Are we going through the 5 stages of caught scum?
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Sceptilesolar
07/25/17 9:35:52 AM
#42:


htaeD posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Death, while you're here, who is your top scumspect? It doesn't seem like you have brought one forward yet, or did I miss it?


right now it'd be Lolo/Gravy
and I am wary of VI and Phoenix as well
but my feelings may be outdated
I need to read up again once I have the time


Well, I hope you do. Those three are all basically just lurkers, so it's not easy to pick out which among them will be the scum. No doubt there's some scum in that group, though. I think I'd be a little more suspicious of VI and Gravy than Phoenix. Lolo replacing out after saying that he was going to go over the game looks pretty bad to me, and VI's play has been so incredibly sparse. Last topic he popped in just to ask why he wasn't being suspected, which is an odd move.
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htaeD
07/25/17 9:36:33 AM
#43:


those votals remind me of one Lolo suspicion I had forgotten
the fact that pez seemed to want absolutely nothing to do with counterlynches to Oddity
one was Lolo
and yes the other was Sceptile
though as far as I know this could still be a coincidence
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htaeD
07/25/17 9:37:47 AM
#44:


Phoenix is not as bad as others, but he sat on the sideline for all of day2 and I find that untrustworthy
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Obellisk
07/25/17 9:43:59 AM
#45:


htaeD posted...
Phoenix is not as bad as others, but he sat on the sideline for all of day2 and I find that untrustworthy


Not defending Phoenix. But just about EVERYONE say on the sidelines Day 2 while we just waited to lynch Pez.
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Obellisk
07/25/17 9:45:09 AM
#46:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Last topic he popped in just to ask why he wasn't being suspected, which is an odd move.


Does scum show up to move suspicion onto them deliberately?
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Sceptilesolar
07/25/17 9:46:54 AM
#47:


Obellisk posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Last topic he popped in just to ask why he wasn't being suspected, which is an odd move.


Does scum show up to move suspicion onto them deliberately?


No, but scum is also more likely to be concerned about how suspicious they are. They know they're scum, so obviously to them it looks strange that people aren't calling them scum. It is a move I associate more with scum.
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Obellisk
07/25/17 9:48:51 AM
#48:


amateur scum, maybe, VI scum? I don't see that necessarily.
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Sceptilesolar
07/25/17 9:50:53 AM
#49:


VI is a great scum player, but I can't just ignore him making a move I consider scummy because I think he's better than it. Under that logic you could justify him doing just about anything.
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greengravy294
07/25/17 9:52:24 AM
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Pooping at work. Anyone got an archive available?
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