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ssb_yunglink2
04/25/24 8:44:39 PM
#350:


1337toothbrush posted...
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/may/29/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-says-he-polls-better-against-donald/

Different audiences produce different results. It's not an absurd idea at all.
This different audience being people that arent registered democrats

yes that is absolutely absurd to think bernie would do better among those people

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1337toothbrush
04/25/24 8:48:26 PM
#351:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
This different audience being people that arent registered democrats

yes that is absolutely absurd to think bernie would do better among those people
and yet the polling showed this to be the case.

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Heineken14
04/25/24 8:49:03 PM
#352:


1337toothbrush posted...
and yet the polling showed this to be the case.

Same polling that said Hillary would beat Donnie?

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Euripides
04/25/24 8:49:07 PM
#353:


Bernie would have been crushed

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1337toothbrush
04/25/24 8:50:45 PM
#354:


Heineken14 posted...
Same polling that said Hillary would beat Donnie?
No, those polls were much closer. You're aware that polls have a margin of error, right? It'd make sense to pick the candidate with the widest margin of victory, but then diehard democrats didn't care about that, they had their queen that they wanted to carry to the throne.

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Heineken14
04/25/24 8:51:46 PM
#355:


1337toothbrush posted...
but then diehard democrats didn't care about that, they had their queen that they wanted to carried to the throne.

*dismissive wank*

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EPR-radar
04/25/24 8:54:23 PM
#356:


Euripides posted...
Bernie would have been crushed
This. The GOP noise machine and a whole pile of "centrist" media GOP-enablers would have hit Bernie like a ton of bricks the moment he became nominee, and the US is still the country that let Occupy Wall Street sink without a trace.

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1337toothbrush
04/25/24 8:54:51 PM
#357:


Heineken14 posted...
*dismissive wank*
If it makes you feel better about your argument getting destroyed, go on ahead.

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ssb_yunglink2
04/25/24 8:56:24 PM
#358:


1337toothbrush posted...
If it makes you feel better about your argument getting destroyed, go on ahead.
the person your argument is about literally got destroyed in his own primaries

You dont get to talk about destroying arguments

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ssb_yunglink2
04/25/24 8:57:57 PM
#359:


bernie bros existing in 2024 cannot be real

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1337toothbrush
04/25/24 8:58:26 PM
#360:


EPR-radar posted...
This. The GOP noise machine and a whole pile of "centrist" media GOP-enablers would have hit Bernie like a ton of bricks the moment he became nominee, and the US is still the country that let Occupy Wall Street sink without a trace.
Just like how they crushed Obama on this progressive campaign. Oh wait.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...
the person your argument is about literally got destroyed in his own primaries

You dont get to talk about destroying arguments
"His own primaries" that were controlled by the democratic party that wanted hillary to win. Yeah, totally "his". Get real.

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-ZIO-
04/25/24 8:59:16 PM
#361:


I've given it alot of thought.

And I am leaning towards voting third party.

My vote is earned, not owed. And right now Biden is not earning it. And while I understand the alternative is Trump, I feel that things will end up the same as they have always been for the last 30+ years. Dems placate while Rs act mask off. End result is all the same, though.

That being said, the truth is I voted 3rd party in 2020, too. And in 2016. Gonna take an ordeal to convince me.

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ssb_yunglink2
04/25/24 9:00:01 PM
#362:


1337toothbrush posted...
Just like how they crushed Obama on this progressive campaign. Oh wait.

"His own primaries" that were controlled by the democratic party that wanted hillary to win. Yeah, totally "his". Get real.
Every single argument you make about bernie always ends with him being the poor victim of an evil dem conspiracy

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DrizztLink
04/25/24 9:00:01 PM
#363:


1337toothbrush posted...
"His own primaries" that were controlled by the democratic party that wanted hillary to win. Yeah, totally "his". Get real.
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Cemith
04/25/24 9:05:53 PM
#364:


-ZIO- posted...
I've given it alot of thought.

And I am leaning towards voting third party.

My vote is earned, not owed. And right now Biden is not earning it. And while I understand the alternative is Trump, I feel that things will end up the same as they have always been for the last 30+ years. Dems placate while Rs act mask off. End result is all the same, though.

That being said, the truth is I voted 3rd party in 2020, too. And in 2016. Gonna take an ordeal to convince me.



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PeteyParker
04/25/24 9:06:34 PM
#365:


-ZIO- posted...
I've given it alot of thought.

And I am leaning towards voting third party.

My vote is earned, not owed. And right now Biden is not earning it. And while I understand the alternative is Trump, I feel that things will end up the same as they have always been for the last 30+ years. Dems placate while Rs act mask off. End result is all the same, though.

That being said, the truth is I voted 3rd party in 2020, too. And in 2016. Gonna take an ordeal to convince me.

Perhaps you should read up on Project 2025 before being so convinced that "it will just be more of the same".

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SaikyoStyle
04/25/24 9:08:11 PM
#366:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Oh boy are you gonna do some more gymnastics about how Bernie would somehow perform better in a general election than his own partys primary

That is such an absurd idea
Why is that an absurd idea?

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-ZIO-
04/25/24 9:09:54 PM
#367:


PeteyParker posted...
Perhaps you should read up on Project 2025 before being so convinced that "it will just be more of the same".

I've read up on it.

I present myself as a red neck. It will not impact me.

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Euripides
04/25/24 9:10:10 PM
#368:


SaikyoStyle posted...
Why is that an absurd idea?

Because he would have been buried as a Commie-Socialist madman from everyone from Fox News to CNN to the New York Times. The media would have absolutely made sure he wouldn't win

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DrizztLink
04/25/24 9:10:57 PM
#369:


-ZIO- posted...
I've read up on it.

I present myself as a red neck. It will not impact me.
That's certainly self-centered of you.

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1337toothbrush
04/25/24 9:11:47 PM
#370:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Every single argument you make about bernie always ends with him being the poor victim of an evil dem conspiracy
Do you also think project 2025 is just a conspiracy theory? Turns out people actually do conspire to do things in real life sometimes.

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CyborgSage00x0
04/25/24 9:12:20 PM
#371:


-ZIO- posted...
I've given it alot of thought.

And I am leaning towards voting third party.

My vote is earned, not owed. And right now Biden is not earning it. And while I understand the alternative is Trump, I feel that things will end up the same as they have always been for the last 30+ years. Dems placate while Rs act mask off. End result is all the same, though.

That being said, the truth is I voted 3rd party in 2020, too. And in 2016. Gonna take an ordeal to convince me.
The GQP call people like this "useful idiots."

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SaikyoStyle
04/25/24 9:13:17 PM
#372:


Euripides posted...
Because he would have been buried as a Commie-Socialist madman from everyone from Fox News to CNN to the New York Times. The media would have absolutely made sure he wouldn't win
They said the same things about Joe Biden.

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ssb_yunglink2
04/25/24 9:14:15 PM
#373:


1337toothbrush posted...
Do you also think project 2025 is just a conspiracy theory? Turns out people do conspire to do things in real life.
Or maybe Bernie was just never popular enough to win a fucking primary much less a general election

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Euripides
04/25/24 9:15:14 PM
#374:


SaikyoStyle posted...
They said the same things about Joe Biden.

Lol, they absolutely did not (Maybe Fox, but not the others)

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-ZIO-
04/25/24 9:15:45 PM
#375:


DrizztLink posted...
That's certainly self-centered of you.

Correct.

My vote is earned, not owed. I am fine with it all going to shit if Biden isn't willing to placate my, and others, requests.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...
The GQP call people like this "useful idiots."

Dems could fix it. But they seem to refuse to. There's college campuses across the nation sending the message, yet they still choose not to listen?

It's not my problem.

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DrizztLink
04/25/24 9:16:49 PM
#376:


-ZIO- posted...
Correct.

My vote is earned, not owed. I am fine with it all going to shit if Biden isn't willing to placate my, and others, requests.
Woosh.

I'm talking about you not caring about the people who are going to suffer because you personally get to skate.

Such impeccable morality.

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Euripides
04/25/24 9:17:10 PM
#377:


-ZIO- posted...
Correct.

My vote is earned, not owed. I am fine with it all going to shit if Biden isn't willing to placate my, and others, requests.

Dems could fix it. But they seem to refuse to. There's college campuses across the nation sending the message, yet they still choose not to listen?

It's not my problem.

PEAK privilege

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Shadow_Don
04/25/24 9:17:23 PM
#378:


1337toothbrush posted...
party controlled primaries =/= general election

Bernie lost. Let it go.

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SaikyoStyle
04/25/24 9:17:39 PM
#379:


Euripides posted...
Lol, they absolutely did not (Maybe Fox, but not the others)
Bernie went on Fox in front of a live studio audience and won them over.

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-ZIO-
04/25/24 9:18:12 PM
#380:


Euripides posted...


PEAK privilege

For truth.

Now what is Biden doing to address it?

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Euripides
04/25/24 9:18:48 PM
#381:


SaikyoStyle posted...
Bernie went on Fox in front of a live studio audience and won them over.

I promise you that they would not have voted for him come November. You're talking about a primary season town hall. Had he won the nomination, Fox would have gone 24/7 scorched earth on him

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DrizztLink
04/25/24 9:19:06 PM
#382:


-ZIO- posted...
For truth.

Now what is Biden doing to address it?
To address your blatant "fuck you, got mine" perspective?

To be clear?

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Shadow_Don
04/25/24 9:19:19 PM
#383:


SaikyoStyle posted...
Why is that an absurd idea?

Its not that crazy but toothbrush is genuinely as goofy as maga 2020 election deniers when it comes to the 2016 dem primary

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CyborgSage00x0
04/25/24 9:19:19 PM
#384:


-ZIO- posted...
Dems could fix it. But they seem to refuse to. There's college campuses across the nation sending the message, yet they still choose not to listen?

It's not my problem.
It's not any party's job to tell you how First Past the Post voting works, or basic game theory. They can't instill IQ points.

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SaikyoStyle
04/25/24 9:20:57 PM
#385:


Bernie beat Hildawg in WI, MI, and the areas of PA where Trump beat her.

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Shadow_Don
04/25/24 9:22:38 PM
#386:


1337toothbrush posted...
Do you also think project 2025 is just a conspiracy theory?

Except they are pretty much openly telling us about their ambitions with project 2025, its not a conspiracy theory.

And Bernie was pleading with you goofs to vote for Hillary in order to prevent things like project 2025.

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-ZIO-
04/25/24 9:22:40 PM
#387:


It's simple. Stop funding Israel's genocide against Palestinians and I am happy to vote for him. So far, he has not met these requests.

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1337toothbrush
04/25/24 9:22:51 PM
#388:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Or maybe Bernie was just never popular enough to win a fucking primary much less a general election
Good thing we won with hillary. Seriously, you're very confident and smug for someone so wrong. 2016 should have shut up people like you, but it only made you people louder.

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DrizztLink
04/25/24 9:23:36 PM
#389:


-ZIO- posted...
It's simple. Stop funding Israel's genocide against Palestinians and I am happy to vote for him. So far, he has not met these requests.
Again, not the question.

DrizztLink posted...
I'm talking about you not caring about the people who are going to suffer because you personally get to skate.


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SaikyoStyle
04/25/24 9:24:42 PM
#391:


Most people thought Trump winning in 2016 was a crazy idea too.

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-ZIO-
04/25/24 9:24:50 PM
#392:


Oh, right. That.

Yeah, I don't care about any of y'all. Do what I say or deal with the consequences. That is the contract.

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DrizztLink
04/25/24 9:25:54 PM
#393:


Bye.

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Krojen
04/25/24 9:26:29 PM
#394:


Euripides posted...
Because he would have been buried as a Commie-Socialist madman from everyone from Fox News to CNN to the New York Times. The media would have absolutely made sure he wouldn't win
Nah that was MSNBCs doing. Which is why the blue maga hates Bernie as much or more than they hate Trump.

Very few people that would vote Dem in generals care about newspapers and sleazy boomer cable outlets, but a solid 60%+ of Dem primary voters have a parasocial bond with those legacy media corporations.

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Shadow_Don
04/25/24 9:32:42 PM
#395:


SaikyoStyle posted...
Bernie beat Hildawg in WI, MI, and the areas of PA where Trump beat her.

Yea? Wanna know who got fucking smoked in those states in the 2020 dem primary or was that rigged too?

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ssb_yunglink2
04/25/24 9:34:30 PM
#396:


1337toothbrush posted...
Good thing we won with hillary. Seriously, you're very confident and smug for someone so wrong. 2016 should have shut up people like you, but it only made you people louder.
Im being told im over confident and smug by a dude who STILL BELIEVES IN 2016 BERNIE IN 2024

Am in the twilight zone? Theres no way this is an actual conversation

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DrizztLink
04/25/24 9:35:15 PM
#397:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Im being told im over confident and smug by a dude who STILL BELIEVES IN 2016 BERNIE IN 2024
I'm telling you, he's Uncle Rico, lost in the glory days (where he lost).

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ssb_yunglink2
04/25/24 9:35:32 PM
#398:


like holy shit its been almost 10 years let it fucking go

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SaikyoStyle
04/25/24 9:36:19 PM
#399:


Shadow_Don posted...
Yea? Wanna know who got fucking smoked in those states in the 2020 dem primary or was that rigged too?
Try to stay on topic.

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Shadow_Don
04/25/24 9:37:05 PM
#400:


Hillary literally conceded the day after the election and Bernie begged these clowns to vote.

Its so embarrassing.

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