Current Events > Does Biden bear any responsibility for people not wanting to vote for him?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Don't think I've ever seen seen a progressive look back at 2016 in hindsight and think not voting Hillary was a good idea.

I'd love to see one of these people try to defend that now.

Westernwolf4 posted...

Agreed. I dont know why we keep getting these when one of the two possible winners tried to overthrow the government and install himself in power when he didnt win. On national TV. The top of a long list of corruption.

Of course the Democrats can do better. Of course Biden is not the ideal candidate. Now can we just get past it, get on with it, and vote for Democrats to ensure we actually have a working government going forward?

I would love to again live in a world where policy differences matter and the party we would normally support needs to earn our vote. But the GOP is a bad faith actor that has turned that into fantasyland. When the difference is between the average flawed political party and a bad faith actor who disrupted the peaceful transfer of power that is the hallmark of any stable government, you vote for the average flawed party and worry about the rest later.

We didnt do that in 2016, and now women cant get basic health care and the joke SC is seriously considering whether our President might have immunity if he or she orders political rivals beaten or some such atrocities. Are we ever going to learn any lessons here, or are some voters going to keep pretending that these political entities are equivalent in any way?

"B-b-but that's not convincing me Biden is good, so I won't vote! Get better material!"

Shadow_Don posted...

Don't think I've ever seen seen a progressive look back at 2016 in hindsight and think not voting Hillary was a good idea.

I'd love to see one of these people try to defend that now.

It weird how you can look back and not realize Hillary just had an email server and not a genocide.

nekrodev posted...

I mean, it took 10 pages for us to get here.

This is an old discussion by now. Most here want Israel dedunded. Including myself. It didn't take 10 pages to get somewhere as this is discussed repeatedly.

ButteryMales posted...

It weird how you can look back and not realize Hillary just had an email server and not a genocide.

Progressives didn't vote for her for a variety of reasons.

Point is, I dont expect to hear anything from any of the cowards protest voting this year when trump executes on his mass deportation plans or when he rolls back women and lgbt rights back to the stone age.

Its why when we always ask you what you would do in 2025 if that happens its crickets from you.

Shadow_Don posted...

Progressives didn't vote for her for a variety of reasons.

Point is, I dont expect to hear anything from any of the cowards protest voting this year when trump executes on his mass deportation plans or when he rolls back women and lgbt rights back to the stone age.

Its why when we always ask you what you would do in 2025 if that happens its crickets from you.

Theyll do what they did in 2017 - blame you for not convincing them hard enough.

Shadow_Don posted...

Progressives didn't vote for her for a variety of reasons.

Point is, I dont expect to hear anything from any of the cowards protest voting this year when trump executes on his mass deportation plans or when he rolls back women and lgbt rights back to the stone age.

Its why when we always ask you what you would do in 2025 if that happens its crickets from you.

I literally respond to everything directed at me. Trump is incompetent and the actual power in the United States are SuperPACs. They're literally blackmailing Biden into genocide.

ButteryMales posted...

I literally respond to everything directed at me. Trump is incompetent and the actual power in the United States are SuperPACs. They're literally blackmailing Biden into genocide.

Always falls back to Trump wont actually do project 2025

Biden can be criticized but has to be the one you vote for otherwise you support either Trump or all the horrible Republicans that could rise up even higher. Thats the result and theres no debating that.

ButteryMales posted...

Trump is incompetent

Yea fuck off with this nonsense. A lot of the most dangerous leaders in history were incompetent.

Its so fucking sus that anytime I talk with you or any of the other usual suspects you weirdly go to "well actually trump isn't that dangerous because he's dumb" or "well lgbt rights were hurt under biden so it doesn't matter whose in office"

Its gaslighting.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Always falls back to Trump wont actually do project 2025

Just like how the Supreme Court wont actually overturn Roe v. Wade.

Dear TC and the rest of CE

If putting this on Biden is useful to you,then I am cool with it.

From my standpoint topic is stinking stupid.

The only question worth asking is what should I do today?

Shadow_Don posted...

Don't think I've ever seen seen a progressive look back at 2016 in hindsight and think not voting Hillary was a good idea.

I'd love to see one of these people try to defend that now.

Not that I'm denying these types of voters exist, but were there anywhere near enough of them in the right places for it to have made any difference? Was it a bigger problem then the DNC conceding the Rustbelt?

SaikyoStyle posted...

Just like how the Supreme Court wont actually overturn Roe v. Wade.

Inb4 "if trump is so powerfully why can't biden unilaterally impose his entire agenda"

Board_hunter567 posted...

Not that I'm denying these types of voters exist, but were there anywhere near enough of them in the right places for it to have made any difference? Was it a bigger problem then the DNC conceding the Rustbelt?

No, I would put the overall blame on Hillary and the DNC for running a bad campaign for sure.

I'm more trying to fish out the logic from the progressive non-voters for how not participating in elections helps their cause or what they plan to do if trump takes power and executes project 2025. Usually there isn't a response or its something nonsensical like "trump is dumb so nothing to worry about comrade"

Shadow_Don posted...

Yea fuck off with this nonsense. A lot of the most dangerous leaders in history were incompetent.

Its so fucking sus that anytime I talk with you or any of the other usual suspects you weirdly go to "well actually trump isn't that dangerous because he's dumb" or "well lgbt rights were hurt under biden so it doesn't matter whose in office"

Its gaslighting.

It's not gaslighting to say Trump is incompetent. We all agree on Trump's mental capacity.

He wouldn't have been President if Hillary Clinton would have been less incompetent and campaigned in several key States instead of apathy.

ButteryMales posted...

It's not gaslighting to say Trump is incompetent. We all agree on Trump's mental capacity.

Thats clearly not what I was saying and you know that but please continue gaslighting the lgbt community you're so fucking brave.

Biden could shoot someone on 5th Ave and hed still get my vote

Like yeah Im voting Biden, but hes also responsible to the reality that hes putting his lust for genocide above getting votes. So you could then say Biden himself is voting for Trump.

Shadow_Don posted...

No, I would put the overall blame on Hillary and the DNC for running a bad campaign for sure.

I'm more trying to fish out the logic from the progressive non-voters for how not participating in elections helps their cause or what they plan to do if trump takes power and executes project 2025. Usually there isn't a response or its something nonsensical like "trump is dumb so nothing to worry about comrade"

I can't understand it myself, to especially in the instance where it's virtually effortless to do so. My guesses would be extreme apathy or petty desires to see it all burn down, or maybe they're just lying. Anybody saying that Trump is incompetent surely understands it's not him who would be masterminding Project 2025. At that point they're naive or a Republican in waiting.

Board_hunter567 posted...

petty desires to see it all burn down, or maybe they're just lying.

Its these.

Anybody saying that Trump is incompetent surely understands it's not him who would be masterminding Project 2025, so at that point they're naive or a Republican in waiting.

Yup. Exactly.

Shadow_Don posted...

Thats clearly not what I was saying and you know that but please continue gaslighting the lgbt community you're so fucking brave.

Why didn't you quote everything I said?

ButteryMales posted...

Why didn't you quote everything I said?

Because its irrelevant. You're just dodging now.

Hes a fake leftist.

Migrant, and the Israel/Palestine issues on the table, it's going to be an interesting election year.

Board_hunter567 posted...

I can't understand it myself, to especially in the instance where it's virtually effortless to do so. My guesses would be extreme apathy or petty desires to see it all burn down, or maybe they're just lying. Anybody saying that Trump is incompetent surely understands it's not him who would be masterminding Project 2025. At that point they're naive or a Republican in waiting.

At the very least, express interest in something or someone that isn't evil.
I still have less ridicule for 3rd party votes than abstaining.

cjsdowg posted...

Thanks for your input in this topic. I am ghosting it now. I can see that for most Biden bears no reasonability for the ramifications of any of his actions. Blame the voter and that it is.

At this point, the malice side of ocean's is less insulting an assumption towards you.

I don't understand how TC can keep getting rekt in topics like this and then still want to show face here

What this one didn't make 500

name_unknown posted...

What this one didn't make 500

TC getting warned probably helped

Cemith posted...

SauI_Goodman posted...
Call me a Trumper if you want, but I ain't voting for either one.

The GOP thanks you for your complacency.

This.

Whatever you chuds say lmao.
No skin off my back.

Does Biden bear any responsibility for people not wanting to vote for him?

Yes.

I think they were really right in 2016 when people said Joe Biden wasn't the right candidate for this moment and we probably should have listened back then.

Well a lot of us did I guess but the machine kept turning anyways. Hope all goes well either way.

SauI_Goodman posted...

Whatever you chuds say lmao.
No skin off my back.

congratulations on throwing away your right to vote just to spite people on CE?

thronedfire2 posted...

congratulations on throwing away your right to vote just to spite people on CE?

Who says I have anything against ce?
I mean, I do. But not because of politics.

SauI_Goodman posted...

Who says I have anything against ce?

well you just ignore every post that points out how wrong you are

thronedfire2 posted...

well you just ignore every post that points out how wrong you are

Is it that I ignore the posts or because I put fools on ignore...

SauI_Goodman posted...

Is it that I ignore the posts or because I put fools on ignore...

after you respond to them?

lol

SauI_Goodman posted...

Whatever you chuds say lmao.
No skin off my back.

Well, if you're a cis white guy, then no, it statistically isn't. Women, minorities, and queer folk though...

But you know this though.

Well obviously.

Smashingpmkns posted...

I think they were really right in 2016 when people said Joe Biden wasn't the right candidate for this moment and we probably should have listened back then.

Well a lot of us did I guess but the machine kept turning anyways. Hope all goes well either way.

Joe Biden wasn't a candidate in 2016

And Hillary got more votes than Bernie

LOL at this dumpster fire of a topic.

TC even said, over and over and over again, that Trump could not possibly be worse than Biden on I/P issues. Which is completely ludicrous.

If Trump had won in 2020 and I/P proceeded the same way since 2020 up until the Oct 7 attacks by Hamas, we would presently have Gaza completely depopulated by Israel and America enthusiastically cooperating to butcher the entire population.

The only question marks would be whether Trump used US nukes as part of this orgy of violence, and if the West Bank would also have been subject to this Likud/GOP final solution.

There's a reason people say Trump is an evil piece of shit -- it's not just partisan opposition.

Shadow_Don posted...

Hillary got more votes than Bernie

party controlled primaries =/= general election

AlCalavicci posted...

I don't understand how TC can keep getting rekt in topics like this and then still want to show face here

He studied under Wimp Lo from Kung Pow.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Just like how the Supreme Court wont actually overturn Roe v. Wade.

BM actually tried blaming that on Biden and Democrats for failing to codify Roe v. Wade.

EPR-radar posted...

The only question marks would be whether Trump used US nukes as part of this orgy of violence,

"orgy of violence" is probably one of the more disgustingly provocative (and apt) descriptions of that scenario.

I'll take that phrase and use it for later, thanks.

Cemith posted...

"orgy of violence" is probably one of the more disgustingly provocative (and apt) descriptions of that scenario.

I'll take that phrase and use it for later, thanks.

You're welcome. Orgies of violence are central to fascism, so you're not going to run out of examples any time soon.

Orgies of Violence sounds like the title for the next Megadeth album

1337toothbrush posted...

party controlled primaries =/= general election

Oh boy are you gonna do some more gymnastics about how Bernie would somehow perform better in a general election than his own partys primary

That is such an absurd idea

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Oh boy are you gonna do some more gymnastics about how Bernie would somehow perform better in a general election than his own partys primary

That is such an absurd idea

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/may/29/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-says-he-polls-better-against-donald/

Different audiences produce different results. It's not an absurd idea at all.