Current Events > Does Biden bear any responsibility for people not wanting to vote for him?

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nekrodev posted...

^ This

Also, there's literally nothing stopping Dems from doing their own legwork like the Republicans have been - taking over lower offices and courts, etc...This just shows a profound incompetence or lack of desire to actually do anything meaningful.

dude you dont even vote why are you so involved in these discussions

LightningThief posted...

The guy who just like in this topic is arguing the angle it doesn't matter who wins between Republicans and Democrats?

Sounds about right to me.

Biden as literally given Israel to green light to do anything that they want to do. He say stuff , then goes right back to supporting them. He attacks people who beings up the Genocide, he cuts off funding to aid workers, he lies about the horrible stuff that happens while coving up horrible stuff Israel has done. Like Biden as done all of this. But I am wrong for pointing it out ?

Just vote for Biden

love_pirate posted...

Biden is in the pocket of all the big bankers and the evil "1%" but the democrat party does such a good job of convincing all of you that the other side is scary and will be the end of freedom and humanity, so you all just keep voting for them, and they keep making the rich richer. Stop voting for these losers. I'm not telling you to go vote for republicans, they're just as bad, but if you really care about wealth inequality then stop voting for people who's entire campaigns are funded by banks and mega corporations.

I dont need Democrats to convince me the other side is scary and will be the end of freedom and humanity. The other side convinces me of that all on their own.

TheLiarParadox posted...

What's the shtick? I've only ever seen him post very milquetoast left of center analysis of America's broken political system.

One week he was rambling about how theres no difference in how democrats and republicans do racial equality

shyguybry posted...

Im not voting period, I just dont care.

An alt that barely made the private cut off.

TheLiarParadox posted...

What's the shtick? I've only ever seen him post very milquetoast left of center analysis of America's broken political system.

Its centrism.

CountCorvinus posted...

Both Trump and Biden are authoritarian right

Lol

cjsdowg posted...

Biden as literally given Israel to green light to do anything that they want to do. He say stuff , then goes right back to supporting them. He attacks people who beings up the Genocide, he cuts off funding to aid workers, he lies about the horrible stuff that happens while coving up horrible stuff Israel has done. Like Biden as done all of this. But I am wrong for pointing it out ?

Is Biden worse than Trump?

Will you dodge this question?

Cemith posted...

An alt that barely made the private cut off.

More of a lurker.

Cemith posted...

An alt that barely made the private cut off.

Its centrism.

A more advanced Same thing both sides. TC is very much Right Wing.

shyguybry posted...

Im not voting period, I just dont care.

Must be nice to live in a bubble.

WingsOfGood posted...

Is Biden worse than Trump?

Will you dodge this question?

Because I don't know. He is better a number of things than Trump. In fact most things he is better than Trump. However on this due to Bidens action I don't see how Trump can be worse. They both are horrible.

Gay Rights, not being Tyrant , Hair ect: Biden is a without a doubt better. If that is the question.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

One week he was rambling about how theres no difference in how democrats and republicans do racial equality

Hm. Do you have more information about this?

Cemith posted...

An alt that barely made the private cut off.

Its centrism.

It's usually centrists taking issue with what he posts though.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

dude you dont even vote why are you so involved in these discussions

30%, on average, of Americans that CAN VOTE, don't. I'm not going to be voting, regardless, but those are the people that Dems need to reach - and they don't try. Giving someone something to actually support is much more effective than just telling them if they don't vote, they're bad people.

emblem-man posted...

Lol

You don't think Biden is on the left, do you?

The Dems are a center right party.

ZMythos posted...

Must be nice to live in a bubble.

Im too depressed to care tbh.

cjsdowg posted...

Biden as literally given Israel to green light to do anything that they want to do. He say stuff , then goes right back to supporting them. He attacks people who beings up the Genocide, he cuts off funding to aid workers, he lies about the horrible stuff that happens while coving up horrible stuff Israel has done. Like Biden as done all of this. But I am wrong for pointing it out ?

You have been explained this before in your other bad faith topics.

Let's entertain your same thing both sides when it comes to Israel. (To be clear, I'm not on the same page as you, but entertaining it for the sake of this discussion.)

Israel and Gaza is not the only thing under threat. Abortion, LGBT rights, Affirmative Action rights, democracy and more is under threat. You are intentionally ignoring that as this has been pointed out to you multiple times at nauseum by multiple people. Championing voters to not vote for Biden because Israel or "asking questions" why you think individual voters won't be responsible for their own actions of not voting which let's Trump win. Which btw ignores how the President of the United States is chosen, it's a 2 party system.

People are calling what you are doing as bad faith virtue signalling because a great number of your topics and posts is all about convincing people to not vote. Despite how the President of the United States is chosen. So even if we entertain your "same thing both sides" for Israel/Gaza, you intentionally ignore everything else pointed out that makes Trump far worse to argue not voting as okay.

TheLiarParadox posted...

Hm. Do you have more information about this?

That isn't true. I said Republicans actively hate black people, while Democrats really don't care.

CountCorvinus posted...

You don't think Biden is on the left, do you?

The Dems are a center right party.

I think Biden is center left within the context of the US

cjsdowg posted...

Because I don't know.

If you don't know at this point, that is absolutely a *you* problem.

Those of us blessed with pragmatism, and pattern recognition, know that he is worse and not worth voting for.

Now please answer the question, will you be voting for Biden in November? If you do not answer this question, I will consider your entire topic trolling.

nekrodev posted...

30%, on average, of Americans that CAN VOTE, don't. I'm not going to be voting, regardless, but those are the people that Dems need to reach - and they don't try. Giving someone something to actually support is much more effective than just telling them if they don't vote, they're bad people.

where did i say people who dont vote are bad people? It just doesnt make sense for someone who doesnt vote to constantly discuss politics like this

emblem-man posted...

I think Biden is center left within the context of the US

Well he's not. Sorry to break it to you.

emblem-man posted...

I think Biden is center left within the context of the US

Biden bragged about being Right of a Republicans when it came to the criminal Justice.

I acknowledge that there are legitimate reasons to not vote for Biden. I hate Biden. Hell, I hated Biden LONG before he ever ran for president. Crime bill, stance on student loans, he's had a lot to hate LONG before Gaza.

That said, I also acknowledge that Biden not winning means Trump will. This isn't Candyland where some unknown 3rd party hero is gonna show up out if nowhere and save the day. Biden losing means Trump wins. That's reality.

And Trump is scientifically worse than Biden in literally every metric. "Biden's funding a genocide-" Yeah, and trumps going to fund it WAY more, might very well be unhinged enough to deploy our own troops there, amd will absolutely try to sow that same anti-muslim hatred over here. So spare me the moralizing; punishing Biden is literally cutting off your nose to spite your face.

You're free to vote however you want, and blame whoever you want for it. I will also say you don't get to pretend to care about issues like genocide if you're willing to let someone even MORE genocidal take the helm just to prove a spiteful point to nobody in particular.

cjsdowg posted...

However on this due to Bidens action I don't see how Trump can be worse. They both are horrible.

Trump will likely declare Palestine not a state and send American troops to help Israel or something extreme like that.
Trump told bibi to end it quick. He would rather Israel just go in and take over in a day than have it in the news constantly.

Trump hates muslims.

cjsdowg posted...

That isn't true. I said Republicans actively hate black people, while Democrats really don't care.

and your conclusion was that it didnt really matter which party won because they wouldnt do anything different

I got rightly called out for derailing a topic with this, but if want a govt that continues to let you peacefully protest against it like many are free to currently against Biden, then you will want to vote for Biden. Trump and project 2025 will ruin the America you see today including your right to protest.

I'd like to reiterate my suggestion that these discussions about November should be accompanied by markers designating which state (or non-state) people live in, so you can decide whether it's worth your time getting mad at them.

For the record, I live in DC, so you can safely disregard the flippant ways I'll be discussing my vote.

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

I got rightly called out for derailing a topic with this, but if want a govt that continues to let you peacefully protest against it like many are free to currently against Biden, then you will want to vote for Biden. Trump and project 2025 will ruin the America you see today including your right to protest.

Not to mention your choice to vote goes away when dictatorship installed.

cjsdowg posted...

Because I don't know. He is better a number of things than Trump. In fact most things he is better than Trump. However on this due to Bidens action I don't see how Trump can be worse. They both are horrible.

Gay Rights, not being Tyrant , Hair ect: Biden is a without a doubt better. If that is the question.

Are you actively going to ignore that Trump said he would let Israel "finish the job" in Palestine if he was in power? Are you also actively ignoring Trump hates Muslims and has enacted a ban in the past and will do much worse in the future? My guess is you're gonna play the "he said those things but that doesn't mean he'll do it card."

Intro2Logic posted...

I'd like to reiterate my suggestion that these discussions about November should be accompanied by markers designating which state (or non-state) people live in, so you can decide whether it's worth your time getting mad at them.

For the record, I live in DC, so you can safely disregard the flippant ways I'll be discussing my vote.

The issue with this "my vote doesn't matter because I'm in 'x' state" is that it can persist into local elections. Just because I live in Texas that does not mean that I will not vote against Republican fascism in every conceivable way.

Maybe your vote doesn't matter as much in the electoral college grand scheme, but letting yourself believe this about local elections is a reason why it's so hard to get progressive change where it matters.

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

Are you actively going to ignore that Trump said he would let Israel "finish the job" in Palestine if he was in power? Are you also actively ignoring Trump hates Muslims and has enacted a ban in the past and will do much worse in the future? My guess is you're gonna play the "he said those things but that doesn't mean he'll do it card."

I think he just might ignore it.....

WingsOfGood posted...

I think he just might ignore it.....

It's because he's trolling.

Cemith posted...

Now please answer the question, will you be voting for Biden in November? If you do not answer this question, I will consider your entire topic trolling.

WingsOfGood posted...

I think he just might ignore it.....

This.

Just like he ignores Project 2025, abortion rights, civil rights, and that Biden or Trump is going to win even if you dont like it.

Even if we entertain his both sides the same on Gaza/Israel angle.... Muslims here in the states are more at risk under Trump than Biden.

Biden and Trump are not the same.

WingsOfGood posted...

I think he just might ignore it.....

I ignored nothing an highlighted that Biden as given them the Green light do literally what ever that they wanted to do. Like this is literally happening. The things I said Biden did are things he literally did. And again , this is missing the point of the whole topic again. Does Biden hold any reasonability for people not wanting to vote for him anymore. Not is Trump a horrible asshole. He is a horrible asshole. But that can't be the come back with every issue people have with Biden .

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

where did i say people who dont vote are bad people? It just doesnt make sense for someone who doesnt vote to constantly discuss politics like this

This entire topic, and most of every other political topic on this board is doing that, even if maybe YOU didn't specifically say it. That is very much the rhetoric of the Dems and many Biden voters here.

cjsdowg posted...

I ignored nothing an highlighted that Biden as given them the Green light do literally what ever that they wanted to do. Like this is literally happening. The things I said Biden did are things he literally did. And again , this is missing the point of the whole topic again. Does Biden hold any reasonability for people not wanting to vote for him anymore. Not is Trump a horrible asshole. He is a horrible asshole. But that can't be the come back with every issue people have with Biden .

So, ignored like we said.

You were also answered on your responsibility question. The voter is responsible for their own actions and the overall consequences that come with it.

Israel/Gaza is no the only thing under threat.

LightningThief posted...

Just like he ignores Project 2025, abortion rights, civil rights.

Abortion rights are being stripped away as we speak with Biden as President , Republican states were un open Rebellion going against the courts rulings, CRT, Affirmative Action and DEI have all been attacked and in many places have gone away. Like this shit is happening under Biden now. And I wasn't even going to bring that up , but just pointing it out since you did.

Yeah I think I'll just ignore TC now. Lost cause.

cjsdowg posted...

Abortion rights are being stripped away as we speak with Biden as President , Republican states were un open Rebellion going against the courts rulings, CRT, Affirmative Action and DEI have all been attacked and in many places have gone away. Like this shit is happening under Biden now. And I wasn't even going to bring that up , but just pointing it out since you did.

lmao

cjsdowg posted...

I ignored nothing an highlighted that Biden as given them the Green light do literally what ever that they wanted to do. Like this is literally happening. The things I said Biden did are things he literally did. And again , this is missing the point of the whole topic again. Does Biden hold any reasonability for people not wanting to vote for him anymore. Not is Trump a horrible asshole. He is a horrible asshole. But that can't be the come back with every issue people have with Biden .

That's not what I asked you. You literally said you don't see how Trump can be worse than Biden. When given direct quotes and actions from Trump that show he can be worse you shift the goalposts. Can Biden be better than what he's doing and assisting a genocide? Yes, he can and he is.

However, I have Muslim heritage and Trump is a million times worse for that demographic. I will be voting for Biden. You don't actually care though and just want to posture about "Biden bad."

cjsdowg posted...

Abortion rights are being stripped away as we speak with Biden as President , Republican states were un open Rebellion going against the courts rulings, CRT, Affirmative Action and DEI have all been attacked and in many places have gone away. Like this shit is happening under Biden now. And I wasn't even going to bring that up , but just pointing it out since you did.

More bad faith arguments.

Abortion rights are being stripped because of people using your logic in 2016 which resulted in Roe v Wade being overturned. Which had nothing to do with Biden, and everything to do with Trump and Republican efforts.

Same to the rest you listed. Those championing your bad faith argument to not vote in 2016 helped Republicans and Trump usher in policies that's difficult to reverse without a Democrat super majority in Congress, liberal Supreme Court, Dem Presidency, and left leaning States.

Your entire argument is trying to message that both sides are bad and that it doesnt matter who wins. Your response is usually to either ignore, or play ignorant to how the United States Government works.

cjsdowg posted...

I ignored nothing

You were asked to answer this:

Are you actively going to ignore that Trump said he would let Israel "finish the job" in Palestine if he was in power? Are you also actively ignoring Trump hates Muslims and has enacted a ban in the past and will do much worse in the future? My guess is you're gonna play the "he said those things but that doesn't mean he'll do it card."

Will you ignore it?

So far you have ignored it

You have one of four choices this election.

1. Don't vote.
2. Vote for the geriatric Joe Biden who can't remember where he is.
3. Vote for the Orange Orangutan, Donald Trump, who is about to be convicted.
4. Vote for the loonytoon RFK Jr. who thinks the Earth is flat and is an anti-vaxer.

LightningThief posted...

More bad faith arguments.

Abortion rights are being stripped because of people using your logic in 2016 which resulted in Roe v Wade being overturned. Which had nothing to do with Biden, and everything to do with Trump and Republican efforts.

Same to the rest you listed. Those championing your bad faith argument to not vote in 2016 helped Republicans and Trump usher in policies that's difficult to reverse without a Democrat super majority in Congress, liberal Supreme Court, Dem Presidency, and left leaning States.

Your entire argument is trying to message that both sides are bad and that it doesnt matter who wins.

That isn't my argument, also we lost in 2016 because the DNC and the Clintons did their best to get Trump to be Republican nom, then did not take him seriously. Again it is always everyone else fault and not the people who hold the real power.

cjsdowg posted...

But that can't be the come back with every issue people have with Biden .

When that horrible asshole wants to make the genocide worse, wants to genocide the LGBTQ+, and wants to make it impossible to vote for anyone other than himself or his cronies ever again, we absolutely can.

cjsdowg posted...

Abortion rights are being stripped away as we speak with Biden as President , Republican states were un open Rebellion going against the courts rulings, CRT, Affirmative Action and DEI have all been attacked and in many places have gone away. Like this shit is happening under Biden now. And I wasn't even going to bring that up , but just pointing it out since you did.

This is such bad faith. How the fuck do you think the people taking away these rights got power? It couldnt be because Trump appointed a conservative supreme court?

Nahhhh it must be Bidens fault.

WingsOfGood posted...

So far you have ignored it

I didn't I literally pointed out that Biden said Israel can do what they want and he will stuff support them. There is no redline for Biden and his support. So if they did it fast or slow Biden would not care.

SAlYAN posted...

When that horrible asshole wants to make the genocide worse, wants to genocide the LGBTQ+, and wants to make it impossible to vote for anyone other than himself or his cronies ever again, we absolutely can.

Why is so hard for you guys to say Biden should be better on this , and not complaining about everyone else.

No, because nothing was ever going to get you to vote for him to begin with. If he came out tomorrow and cut off all aid for Israel, you'd say "Too late!" If he had never supported Israel, it'd be something else. Also, the Israel situation is way more complex and complicated than any of these "I can't vote for Genocide!" people are willing to admit. Biden has already called for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. Yes, we're still sending weapons and defense to Israel. We'd be doing that even if they weren't in the middle of razing Gaza.

Refusing to recognize how your own people will be harmed because of Trump, and how letting him win doesn't help Palestine in any way, is all on you.