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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 9:01:04 AM
#50:


mistymermaid posted...
The GOP's Big Lie tactics are that persuasive to the ignorant. Republicans howl how Democrats are "too slow" at progress, while glossing over how regularly Republicans vote in unison against progressive bills.

This time there is more nuance.
Some infact express they cannot morally vote Biden since they feel that is supporting genocide. Yes this glosses over what Trump will do which is much worse but we cannot pretend this emotion is not understandable.
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ButteryMales
04/25/24 9:03:25 AM
#51:


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The GOP's Big Lie tactics are that persuasive to the ignorant.
That would persuade them to not vote.
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Cemith
04/25/24 9:04:36 AM
#52:


cjsdowg posted...
What did I dodge. I asked a simple question about Biden and most ate not addressing that. So tell me what did dodge?

Biden is not trump.

Biden 2024.

It's that simple.

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Akuryu
04/25/24 9:05:47 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
Historically yes, but I personally dont believe that anymore after these current events.
You can believe whatever you want, but back here in the real world it's pretty clear. Only 21 Republicans voted against Israel aide. By comparison 37 democrats said no. Trump has called himself Israel's best friend and opens rallies by praying for the Israelis. When asked about the children murdered in Gaza, Mike Johnson said it's not Israel's fault... it's the fault of the terrorists. Republican support for Israel is unwavering.

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mystic_belmont
04/25/24 9:08:01 AM
#54:


I'll say it again:

Which of the two candidates is going to do less damage to the country?

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Gwynevere
04/25/24 9:09:06 AM
#55:


Euripides posted...
It's the most virtue signalling-y virtue signalling imaginable
Yep, literally all it is. It's TC and others preemptively washing their hands of any responsibility and trying to save their image, knowing full well the consequences we're facing now and for likely years to come as a result of the previous Trump term. That's where the obsession with assigning blame and responsibility comes from

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cjsdowg
04/25/24 9:10:20 AM
#56:


Evening_Dragon posted...
@cjsdowg posted...

What did I dodge. I asked a simple question about Biden and most ate not addressing that. So tell me what did dodge?

Post #12

Direct answer to your questions, and a question for you

That did not address my question that was just another oh Trump is bad post. Most people know Trump is bad on so many levels. My question was about Biden. Do you guys think that maybe what he is doing is costing him votes.


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Tanthalas
04/25/24 9:11:39 AM
#57:


cjsdowg posted...
Well Biden seems to be doing that himself.
Dude, you have done this repeatedly.

Im not going to entertain your lies.

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CountCorvinus
04/25/24 9:13:43 AM
#58:


Yes.

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cjsdowg
04/25/24 9:14:24 AM
#59:


Euripides posted...
Every "Genocide JOE!!!!" person refuses to acknowledge that Trump is worse in every way (INCLUDING the Israel situation).

It's the most virtue signalling-y virtue signalling imaginable

So we are using the same terms Republicans use to attack the left now ?

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CountCorvinus
04/25/24 9:16:52 AM
#60:


cjsdowg posted...
So we are using the same terms Republicans use to attack the left now ?

Blue MAGA has always done that, dowg.

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LightningThief
04/25/24 9:17:07 AM
#61:


cjsdowg posted...
That did not address my question that was just another oh Trump is bad post. Most people know Trump is bad on so many levels. My question was about Biden. Do you guys think that maybe what he is doing is costing him votes.
He and many others have answered your question in this topic and in the past.

Like it or not Trump and Biden are the choices. Like it or not Trump or Biden will win. Like it or not, one is worse than the other. That's the fact of reality.

You are also responsible for your own actions and how you vote based on the facts of reality. You choosing not to vote for Biden based on reality is helping Trump. You are responsible for your own actions regardless of your feelings about Biden not ticking every box.

This is not the first time you asked this bad faith question on this board.
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Cory898
04/25/24 9:17:38 AM
#62:


WingsOfGood posted...
Fyi this isn't a thing.

The topic that started it all was the opposite. It said Biden Palestine policy may cost him the election.
No one made a topic saying "vote Biden!". People made a topic saying Biden is making people not vote for him and it became a hot debate. As you can see in this topic the one who started it wants to say Biden is to blame for them not voting Biden and Trump winning though I think they might be Trumper anyways and this not honest.
My comment was more general than this particular topic. Any discussion on voting always leads to the same comments of if you dont vote my way and my candidate loses its your fault.

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ssb_yunglink2
04/25/24 9:17:59 AM
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i feel like this topic may end in some account casualties

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ai123
04/25/24 9:22:55 AM
#64:


If you don't vote for Biden, you are helping Trump.

If you can find a way to be OK with that, it is between you and your conscience.

But I'll not help you justify it.

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 9:23:40 AM
#65:


Cory898 posted...
if you dont vote my way and my candidate loses its your fault.

But that is.... true..

Usually the person not voting don't care. This is special because these people claim to not want what Trump has to offer but suggest them not voting Biden and Trump wins isn't their fault but Biden's fault
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cjsdowg
04/25/24 9:26:50 AM
#66:


ai123 posted...
If you don't vote for Biden, you are helping Trump.

If you can find a way to be OK with that, it is between you and your conscience.

But I'll not help you justify it.

So what does your conscience say about what Biden is funding ?

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mystic_belmont
04/25/24 9:28:25 AM
#67:


cjsdowg posted...
So what does your conscience say about what Biden is funding ?

That as much as I don't like that it is happening, Trump and the GOP would be 10x worse.

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ssb_yunglink2
04/25/24 9:29:02 AM
#68:


cjsdowg posted...
So what does your conscience say about what Biden is funding ?
Will not voting for either candidate stop whats happening in Palestine? Answer this simple question.

Will voting for Biden prevent project 2025 from happening? Answer this simple question as well.

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ButteryMales
04/25/24 9:29:56 AM
#69:


WingsOfGood posted...
But that is.... true..
It's not true. A single vote is rarely the difference in an election. The blame should be placed on the candidate for losing more than one vote.
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LightningThief
04/25/24 9:30:30 AM
#70:


Cory898 posted...
My comment was more general than this particular topic. Any discussion on voting always leads to the same comments of if you dont vote my way and my candidate loses its your fault.
That's reality. Like it or not that's how the voting system in the United States works.

We have a 2 party system that, so any discussion regardless if you like it or not, not voting for one is helping the other. No matter how idealistic you want to go about it. No matter if the better of the 2 candidates doesn't tick every box you want. Regardless, one or the other is going to win and become the next President of the United States.

Each individual voter is also responsible for their own actions if they don't vote. They are also responsible for allowing the worse of the 2 win, if they so choose to wither not vote, vote 3rd party, or vote for the worse candidate.

No amount of virtue signalling will change that is how President of the United States is chosen.
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cjsdowg
04/25/24 9:30:36 AM
#71:


mystic_belmont posted...
That as much as I don't like that it is happening, Trump and the GOP would be 10x worse.

People keep saying this but how. Biden. Lied about seeing dead babies. Didn't care about real dead babies , keeps giving them money and openly say that can do what they want. While mind you Bibi is undermining the admin. Funny that just get looked over.

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ssb_yunglink2
04/25/24 9:31:24 AM
#72:


cjsdowg posted...
People keep saying this but how. Biden. Lied about seeing dead babies. Didn't care about real dead babies , keeps giving them money and openly say that can do what they want. While mind you Bibi is undermining the admin. Funny that just get looked over.
Trump doesnt even think Palestine should exist

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love_pirate
04/25/24 9:32:53 AM
#73:


Biden is in the pocket of all the big bankers and the evil "1%" but the democrat party does such a good job of convincing all of you that the other side is scary and will be the end of freedom and humanity, so you all just keep voting for them, and they keep making the rich richer. Stop voting for these losers. I'm not telling you to go vote for republicans, they're just as bad, but if you really care about wealth inequality then stop voting for people who's entire campaigns are funded by banks and mega corporations.

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ssb_yunglink2
04/25/24 9:34:10 AM
#74:


love_pirate posted...
Biden is in the pocket of all the big bankers and the evil "1%" but the democrat party does such a good job of convincing all of you that the other side is scary and will be the end of freedom and humanity, so you all just keep voting for them, and they keep making the rich richer. Stop voting for these losers. I'm not telling you to go vote for republicans, they're just as bad, but if you really care about wealth inequality then stop voting for people who's entire campaigns are funded by banks and mega corporations.
wow just straight up BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME here. You realize republicans are actively trying to take rights away from people, yes?

You cant just ignore that and pretend both parties are the same

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mystic_belmont
04/25/24 9:35:09 AM
#75:


cjsdowg posted...
People keep saying this but how. Biden. Lied about seeing dead babies. Didn't care about real dead babies , keeps giving them money and openly say that can do what they want. While mind you Bibi is undermining the admin. Funny that just get looked over.

Project 2025.

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Heineken14
04/25/24 9:36:02 AM
#76:


cjsdowg posted...


People keep saying this but how.

People have explained this to you in your 50 other topics of the exact same thing. At this point these come off more that you're trying to reassure yourself that if Donnie gets elected and makes shit worse here that there was nothing you could do.

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Heineken14
04/25/24 9:37:02 AM
#77:


love_pirate posted...
Stop voting for these losers. I'm not telling you to go vote for republicans, they're just as bad, but if you really care about wealth inequality then stop voting for people who's entire campaigns are funded by banks and mega corporations.

What candidate that is running will be better?

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 9:40:06 AM
#78:


cjsdowg posted...
People keep saying this but how. Biden. Lied about seeing dead babies. Didn't care about real dead babies , keeps giving them money and openly say that can do what they want. While mind you Bibi is undermining the admin. Funny that just get looked over.

Trump in 2017 said Jerusalem is the Capital of the State of Israel.

How did you react to that?

Did you forget that?

Trump is 10x more pro-Israel than Biden will ever be.

He also did the Muslim ban. How did you react to that??
Did you forget about it?
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rynobot
04/25/24 9:42:29 AM
#79:


TC has been playing undercover for quite awhile now. I am surprised people who have been here years have not caught on to him. He wants more Republicans in power.

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gu-gohan
04/25/24 9:44:00 AM
#80:


Not voting for Biden is stupid, because it inevitably helps Trump to be elected again. Trump, a tyrant in every aspect!

People, who don't vote for Biden just because they disagree with him on one or two topics, are dumb, sorry. Trump will hurt the US, all democratic countries across the globe, and millions of people if he's being elected again. If you can't see what's at stake here, compromise, and vote for the 100x better option, I don't know what to say.

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 9:44:28 AM
#81:


rynobot posted...
TC has been playing undercover for quite awhile now. I am surprised people who have been years have not caught on to him. He wants more Republicans in power.

Can you elaborate? Maybe this is why I have ??? In my head. Back in the day perhaps?
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steve_madsci
04/25/24 9:45:43 AM
#82:


Cory898 posted...
My comment was more general than this particular topic. Any discussion on voting always leads to the same comments of if you dont vote my way and my candidate loses its your fault.
The funny thing is, the only people who go in for arguments like are the ones with such little faith in their candidate's ability to win they have to preemptively blame everyone else to justify it.

Not to mention most American voters can't vote for President anyway unless they live in one of the ten or so battleground states.
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cjsdowg
04/25/24 9:47:54 AM
#83:


Heineken14 posted...
People have explained this to you in your 50 other topics of the exact same thing. At this point these come off more that you're trying to reassure yourself that if Donnie gets elected and makes shit worse here that there was nothing you could do.

Dems have literally equated people to who protest the Genocide to Nazi . Have attacked Allied nations because of it, have used their power at the UN to state the Pals from getting a state. Like about attacks on Schools, Hospitals and mosques. Turned blind eye when Lands in the West Bank was stolen. They were like not cool man..here is another Billion.

Trump in 2017 said Jerusalem is the Capital of the State of Israel.

Have you seen what the US have done in the UN when it comes to the Pals under Biden. They both suck at not being Monsters. I just wish people on the Dems side would just hold Biden accountable for just a little bit of his actions. Most people here can't even say. Yes Biden is Reasonable for some of his supporters leaving.

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cjsdowg
04/25/24 9:49:25 AM
#84:


rynobot posted...
TC has been playing undercover for quite awhile now. I am surprised people who have been years have not caught on to him. He wants more Republicans in power.

Yeah the guy who talks about Police Brutality, and how much Republican suck, is the under cover Republican.

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rynobot
04/25/24 9:51:12 AM
#85:


cjsdowg posted...
Yeah the guy who talks about Police Brutality, and how much Republican suck, is the under cover Republican.
You are though. You also suck at lying.

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Cemith
04/25/24 9:52:02 AM
#86:


People really are still falling for TCs shtick

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 9:52:23 AM
#87:


cjsdowg posted...
I just wish people on the Dems side would just hold Biden accountable for just a little bit of his actions. Most people here can't even say. Yes Biden is Reasonable for some of his supporters leaving.

??? Nearly every CEman holds him accountable. They don't want Trump to win because he is much much worse especially on Palestine.
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bluezero
04/25/24 9:52:35 AM
#88:


cjsdowg posted...
Yeah the guy who talks about Police Brutality, and how much Republican suck, is the under cover Republican.
You're now the guy trying to get people to not vote for Joe Biden.

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cjsdowg
04/25/24 9:53:50 AM
#89:


rynobot posted...
You are though. You also suck at lying.

So someone who speaks about the wrong stuff that Republicans do, more than you. Like clearly more than you. Must be Republican because I don't like Biden efforts in supporting a on going Genocide. Yeah Buddy.. keeping running with that .

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LightningThief
04/25/24 9:54:06 AM
#90:


cjsdowg posted...
Yeah the guy who talks about Police Brutality, and how much Republican suck, is the under cover Republican.
The guy who just like in this topic is arguing the angle it doesn't matter who wins between Republicans and Democrats?

Sounds about right to me.

You are ignoring Trump or Biden is going to win no matter the virtue signalling you are doing for a reason.

You make a lot of topics and posts telling people not to vote, why people shouldnt vote for specifically Biden, and how you believe both parties will result in the same thing regardless who wins constantly.
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CountCorvinus
04/25/24 9:54:27 AM
#91:


mystic_belmont posted...
Project 2025.
Becomes Project 2029.

Being awful but "The other candidate is worse" is not a great strategy. Both Trump and Biden are authoritarian right. I'm voting for Biden in November for harm reduction, but if the Democratic party continues to makes little effort in appealing to the voters, you're going to get a repeat of 2016. If it doesn't happen this year, it'll happen sometime later and possibly with someone far more dangerous than Trump.

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ssb_yunglink2
04/25/24 9:55:35 AM
#93:


CountCorvinus posted...
Becomes Project 2029.

Being awful but "The other candidate is worse" is not a great strategy. Both Trump and Biden are authoritarian right. I'm voting for Biden in November for harm reduction, but if the Democratic party continues to makes little effort in appealing to the voters, you're going to get a repeat of 2016.
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Oh boy now were unironically using the political compass. Wonderful.


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ZMythos
04/25/24 9:56:10 AM
#94:


Yea, the real answer is "Biden could be doing better in a lot of areas and our electoral system fucking sucks but now is certainly not the time to revolutionize it because literal, unabashed fascism is knocking on the door."

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cjsdowg
04/25/24 9:56:20 AM
#95:


bluezero posted...
You're now the guy trying to get people to not vote for Joe Biden.

When in this topic did I say people should not vote for Biden. I do people think he should be held accountable for losing supporters based on his actions. And I got stuff about how Trump was so horrible, this is a 2 party country and everything in between.

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Cemith
04/25/24 9:57:23 AM
#96:


cjsdowg posted...
When in this topic did I say people should not vote for Biden. I do people think he should be held accountable for losing supporters based on his actions. And I got stuff about how Trump was so horrible, this is a 2 party country and everything in between.
Cool so will you be voting for Biden?

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ssb_yunglink2
04/25/24 9:57:36 AM
#97:


Cemith posted...
Cool so will you be voting for Biden?


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nekrodev
04/25/24 9:57:39 AM
#98:


CountCorvinus posted...
Becomes Project 2029.

Being awful but "The other candidate is worse" is not a great strategy. Both Trump and Biden are authoritarian right. I'm voting for Biden in November for harm reduction, but if the Democratic party continues to makes little effort in appealing to the voters, you're going to get a repeat of 2016.
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^ This

Also, there's literally nothing stopping Dems from doing their own legwork like the Republicans have been - taking over lower offices and courts, etc...This just shows a profound incompetence or lack of desire to actually do anything meaningful.

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shyguybry
04/25/24 9:57:58 AM
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Im not voting period, I just dont care.
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TheLiarParadox
04/25/24 9:58:30 AM
#100:


Cemith posted...
People really are still falling for TCs shtick
What's the shtick? I've only ever seen him post very milquetoast left of center analysis of America's broken political system.

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