Current Events > Does Biden bear any responsibility for people not wanting to vote for him?

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Shadow_Don posted...

Oh ok my bad

It wasn't a DNC plot against Bernie it was the DNC + MSNBC plot

Its the reality of money and institutional influence in politics.

Youre likely perfectly capable of understanding this advantage when Fox News and their politicians can get a third of the country to suddenly care about some random buzzword overnight, but such things could never have any effect on Dem primary voters that can be seen in polling parroting the exact last sentence spoken by their favorite newscaster as their own opinion.

What is the objective of the Democratic presidential primary election?

1337toothbrush posted...

Did you also get beat up by electoral college thugs when you went to vote for hillary in the general?

This isn't the gotcha you thought it was

1337toothbrush posted...

I accepted that the system has been lost to corruption a long time ago. Doesn't mean I'm not allowed to point it out. It doesn't seem like you care about any of that and you just want to score a "gotcha" on the internet. Enjoy, I guess?

Seems like it would be a lot more productive to try and focus on fixing it in 2024 instead of 2016.

Euripides posted...

This isn't the gotcha you thought it was

Cool, neither was your post in the first place. Undemocratic action doesn't just take the form of thugs beating you up.

Krojen posted...

Its the reality of money and institutional influence in politics.

Youre likely perfectly capable of understanding this advantage when Fox News and their politicians can get a third of the country to suddenly care about some random buzzword overnight, but such things could never have any effect on Dem primary voters that can be seen in polling parroting the exact last sentence spoken by their favorite newscaster as their own opinion.

Ok so do you believe the DNC worked with MSM corporations to rig the election against Bernie Sanders?

1337toothbrush posted...

Cool, neither was your post in the first place. Undemocratic action doesn't just take the form of thugs beating you up.

You haven't explained how it was undemocratic. Did the DNC overturn ballots? Did they disallow Bernie to be on the ballot?

DrizztLink posted...

Seems like it would be a lot more productive to try and focus on fixing it in 2024 instead of 2016.

Indeed. Which is why the biden administration should learn how to get more votes instead of repeating the strategy from 2016 where you finger wag at voters, ignore them, and then shame them if you lose.

SaikyoStyle posted...

What is the objective of the Democratic presidential primary election?

To rig the election against socialists.

Either we get a neo liberal warhawk in office or we get to be the controlled opposition with a fascist in power

Evidence? Go check out RT and thegrayzone

Youre soooooo close to getting it

SaikyoStyle posted...

Youre soooooo close to getting it

Educate me please

Euripides posted...

You haven't explained how it was undemocratic. Did the DNC overturn ballots? Did they disallow Bernie to be on the ballot?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/

Plus big media running narratives to attack bernie and his supporters (you can still see "bernie bros" being parroted here) and pretending that hillary won from the start by counting superdelegates in her favor.

Shadow_Don posted...

Hillary got more votes than both Bernie and trump

See the difference?

Unironically, if the dnc put up Bernie over Hillary after the primary that would actually have been more like the electoral college.

Lmfao this is what got toothbrush to finally block me

Good fucking riddance

Shadow_Don posted...

Educate me please

Maybe not as close as I thought. Oof.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Maybe not as close as I thought. Oof.

Or you could just simply explain to me what I'm not getting. Shouldn't be that hard.

Or maybe its my fault for speaking too narrowly and confusing you.

Shadow_Don posted...

Ok so do you believe the DNC worked with MSM corporations to rig the election against Bernie Sanders?

We know MSNBC relies on the DNC for access and there is naturally a close relationship on how and what is covered.

We know that both the ownership and their funding mechanisms do not want someone to come in and significantly raise their taxes. Everyone currently with a job in both of these organizations has their livelihood at risk with a pivot to someone on the left

Its how you get bizarre segments such as: Bernie seems like a guy that wouldnt help you if he saw your car needed a jump on Morning Joe and Democrats should just sit this election out until they get someone they like in 2024 (after Bernie won Nevada) on Chris Matthews, who also said he was scared Bernie would assassinate him in Central Park. They also allowed some trust fund kid to come on and say women only attend Bernie events to meet boys.

But you hide behind words like conspiracy and rigged because its easier to be incredulous than think critically about things you know exist in every part of our lives.

Hes confused and agitated.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Or maybe its my fault for speaking too narrowly and confusing you.

Speaking to narrowly? You can try just making a point instead.

Krojen posted...

We know MSNBC relies on the DNC for access and there is naturally a close relationship on how and what is covered.

Omfg give me a break. I can't speak for literally every instance of msnbc reporting regarding bernie, but bernie has had his say on msnbc. He has supporters on msnbc. He's been a regular guest on msbnc for like 7-8 years. Wow morning Joe doesn't like Bernie? Joe isn't the only figure on msnbc.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Hes confused and agitated.

Lmfao what am I confused about? That bernie lost? No confusion there.

I think Ill just leave you to your magical thinking. Yikes.

-ZIO- posted...

It's simple. Stop funding Israel's genocide against Palestinians and I am happy to vote for him. So far, he has not met these requests.

lol, you already gave up the game by saying you voted 3rd party years prior. No one is buying these lies, and your protests are misplaced.

SaikyoStyle posted...

I think Ill just leave you to your magical thinking. Yikes.

The fact that bernie lost is magical thinking? Lmfao.

Did this turn into a Bernie thread?

Its my fault for overestimating you.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Its my fault for overestimating you.

"Your lucky you can't even comprehend my power level!"

Ok gigachad main character

All I asked for was for you to elaborate.

Especially since you already went unspoiled multiple pages ago. I see no reason to read any more of your posts until youve simmered down.

Shadow_Don posted...

Omfg give me a break. I can't speak for literally every instance of msnbc reporting regarding bernie, but bernie has had his say on msnbc. He has supporters on msnbc. He's been a regular guest on msbnc for like 7-8 years. Wow morning Joe doesn't like Bernie? Joe isn't the only figure on msnbc.

I can, which is why I named 4 separate cartoonishly wild segments by 3 different hosts/shows that dont even seem real, but are. I can name dozens more. It was an unhinged time over there.

Fox News could never launch something more powerful at Bernie than a big name host in Dem circles that primary voters are parasocially attached to tearfully explain that Bernie is going to publicly execute him if elected and its worth sitting out an election against Trump if the alternative is Bernie.

They had Bernie on to interrupt him with wHoze gOnnA paY foR yoUr wAcKy sIngLe pAyEr hEalThCaRe iDea?

Post primary they have him on to talk about daily happenings in the Senate and Biden admin. Bernie had no on air supporters aside from Sam Seder who was only allowed on to fill in random spots at midnight.

I worked in a lab that had MSNBC on round the clock and visited my MSNBC glued parents frequently. Ive seen untold hours of the network for 2 decades, done enough canvassing, and seen plenty polling data to know how powerful media is for these voters.

Krojen posted...

I can, which is why I named 4 separate cartoonishly wild segments by 3 different hosts/shows that dont even seem real, but are. I can name dozens more. It was an unhinged time over there.

Fox News could never launch something more powerful at Bernie than a big name host in Dem circles that primary voters are parasocially attached to tearfully explain that Bernie is going to publicly execute him if elected and its worth sitting out an election against Trump if the alternative is Bernie.

They had Bernie on to interrupt him with wHoze gOnnA paY foR yoUr wAcKy sIngLe pAyEr hEalThCaRe iDea?

Post primary they have him on to talk about daily happenings in the Senate and Biden admin. Bernie had no on air supporters aside from Sam Seder who was only allowed on to fill in random spots at midnight.

I worked in a lab that had MSNBC on round the clock and visited my MSNBC glued parents frequently. Ive seen untold hours of the network for 2 decades, done enough canvassing, and seen plenty polling data to know how powerful media is for these voters.

Hes been one of the most frequented guests that holds a political position on the network in like the last 10 years. He still shows on the network on an almost bi-weekly basis.

He has been given the opportunity and the space to share his political views to the viewers of the network regularly and his hosts are usually willing to give him the platform.

The idea that he hasn't been given an opportunity on msnbc is pure straight to the brain fucking copium.

If you're saying that he can't handle it on msnbc because the hosts are too confrontational then idk what to tell you dude, you can't make it in the major league if you can't hit a softball straight down the middle.

Shadow_Don posted...

Hes been one of the most frequented guests that holds a political position on the network in like the last 10 years. He still shows on the network on an almost bi-weekly basis.

He has been given the opportunity and the space to share his political views to the viewers of the network regularly and his hosts are usually willing to give him the platform.

The idea that he hasn't been given an opportunity on msnbc is pure straight to the brain fucking copium.

If you're saying that he can't handle it on msnbc because the hosts are too confrontational then idk what to tell you dude, you can't make it in the major league if you can't hit a softball straight down the middle.

99% of which is about the daily grind of banal happenings in the senate or admin.

He can handle confrontational hosts just fine as he got the republican crowd to cheer on single payer at a hostile Fox News town hall. MSNBC goes beyond confrontational, as Ive shown.

Its conspiracy cope to say that a man taking the awful strategy of running against the industries that host/fund our political debates and being critical of the party hes running in is going to have the thumbs Ive explained against him on the scale.

Ive been specific while you keep falling back into huffing USP grade vague incredulity.

Theres certainly some statements ITT

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Krojen posted...

thumbs Ive explained against him on the scale

You haven't really explained that part though.

Just vague gestures to the dnc colluding with msnbc to rig the election

Its maga 2020 election conspiracy dogshit

Put up or stfu

-ZIO- posted...

Oh, right. That.

Yeah, I don't care about any of y'all. Do what I say or deal with the consequences. That is the contract.

Yes, we know that Trumper.

I like how the conservation in this topic managed to become even more incoherent than whatever the hell TC was initially talking about

Gwynevere posted...

I like how the conservation in this topic managed to become even more incoherent than whatever the hell TC was initially talking about

These topics are always the same alt accounts bawling how they can't support Biden, while dismissing how lower turnout benefits the orange man.

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mistymermaid posted...

These topics are always the same alt accounts bawling how they can't support Biden, while dismissing how lower turnout benefits the orange man.

Every time it's 500 posts of centrist/rwnj clown honking noises, and people responding to same.

EPR-radar posted...

Every time it's 500 posts of centrist/rwnj clown honking noises, and people responding to same.

I wonder how many of them will boast they're leaving for the Steam forums or Reddit or something, then return on a new account by the time this post arrives on the Gamefaqs server from my desk.

Biden bears the responsibility of getting himself reelected

Shadow_Don posted...

You haven't really explained that part though.

Just vague gestures to the dnc colluding with msnbc to rig the election

Its maga 2020 election conspiracy dogshit

Put up or stfu

Ive explained in depth with many examples.

Youve responded to those examples with vague pfftsss and that Bernie has plenty of supporters at MSNBC, none of which you could name, like Ive been doing.

You didnt even know who Chris Matthews was and figured he was part of Morning Joe, thinking that I only listed one show.

You didnt know the bandwagon effect of primaries. A very specific term popularized in the 2008 primary and cemented changes in primary strategies ever since. Nothing to do with coalition building skills.

You werent even following politics in 2020. You prob dont even know why you hate Bernie. Just that youre incredulous at the idea of media consumption mattering in politics.

To 500?

this is the longest ive seen a 490+ post topic go without reaching 500. especially one that popped off so hard on a dying board

anyway, tl;dr of the topic is:

no, its not morally justifiable to vote against biden, due to trumps hatred towards women and minorities, and due to how trump wants to treat them
and people are responsible for their own votes. if you dont vote for biden, that is your choice and you dont get to blame anyone else for the consequences of your own actions

They are both pathetic aren't they. The democrats could put in any white, late 40s man in a sharp suit and win this election easily. Why do they persist with this doddering, senile old fool. The man can barely stay awake in public.

kurdt032 posted...

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I'd imagine another four years of Trump would be great for Democratic Party fundraising.

Biden Bear
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kurdt032 posted...

They are both pathetic aren't they. The democrats could put in any white, late 40s man in a sharp suit and win this election easily. Why do they persist with this doddering, senile old fool. The man can barely stay awake in public.

Itll be Newsome in 2028 if were still doing elections by then.