Board 8 > Fandom bans politics on GameFAQs (outside of Current Events)

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UshiromiyaEva
04/16/24 1:57:44 PM
#201:


It's only safe to talk about completely unpolitical games, like Helldivers 2.

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Forceful_Dragon
04/16/24 2:10:51 PM
#202:


I don't know where I'm supposed to share information like this anymore:

https://twitter.com/mzjacobson/status/1779614175075197142?t=QYlNR_wei1ZPp9gCEsKIuA&s=19

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Aecioo
04/16/24 2:28:33 PM
#203:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
It's only safe to talk about completely unpolitical games, like Helldivers 2.

For democracy!

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Omniscientless
04/16/24 2:43:44 PM
#204:


Thorn posted...
It depends on what streamers you mention.

Now if it's Other M that's just an automatic ban.
It's over for LMS.

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AriaOfBolo
04/16/24 3:30:58 PM
#205:


TimmyQuivy posted... Hello all,

Just wanted to acknowledge we have been reading and gathering the feedback you provided. There have been a number of substantive questions the mod team has jumped in and answered, so thanks to them.

Overall, the main feedback weve received is that the decision to lock the Current Events board and generally prohibit explicitly political topics elsewhere is unpopular amongst a large percentage of commenters. I dont want to duck or run from that takeaway - this is something Fandom discussed and anticipated before making these changes. Ultimately, we will be standing by this decision because doing so aligns with how we operate other parts of our platform, and how we want GameFAQs to be positioned in broad gaming discourse.

I understand that many of you have been contributing to these topics for years and feel as though it has been productive and handled respectfully. We understand that legacy - the CE board is continuing precisely because for the most part, this opinion has been largely true. The CE board is continuing - if you were passionate about contributing there, you can continue to contribute there with the same engaged fellow members youve had.

These changes are about recognizing the internet has changed over the course of the last 20 years and setting the foundation for a better future - political discussion does not make sense as a core driver of conversations on a site dedicated to video games and gameplay. I dont believe if GameFAQs was to be started today, that political topics would be part of the structure of the site.

I do want to caution against some of the slippery slope arguments I have seen in the comments - many of these rules changes are in fact just formalizing informal policies that have existed here. I know, for instance, some of the worst political flame posts have been removed for trolling. Nor is this a precursor for us banning discussion about our identities and passions. Nor is this a sign that Fandom is trying to kill off GameFAQs. We are, after internal discussion and review, making a set of rule changes and board structural tweaks to address some long-standing concerns that have been brought to us. Nothing more, nothing less.

We will work harder to provide direct responses in a timely fashion and will create a part 2 of this topic linked here for any follow up questions or comments.

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FFDragon
04/16/24 3:34:41 PM
#206:


lmao fuck these goobers

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Forceful_Dragon
04/16/24 3:37:51 PM
#207:


What they don't seem to understand is that on board 8 we have already gone out of our way to sequester our political discussion.

Also we don't care about CE or it's legacy, we just don't understand why it affects us

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Wanglicious
04/16/24 3:38:17 PM
#208:


that's a lot of words for "we hear you, but go fuck yourself."

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FFDragon
04/16/24 3:38:50 PM
#209:


That statement is basically "yeah we knew this would be the response and we give zero fucks. Okay byeeeeee"

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Nanis23
04/16/24 3:40:04 PM
#210:


AriaOfBolo posted...
I dont want to duck or run from that takeaway - this is something Fandom discussed and anticipated before making these changes. Ultimately, we will be standing by this decision
Pffffffttttttt hahaha this is the worst response possible
"We value your feedback! we listened to it! and uh...we knew it would happen so fuck you, this is happening anyway"

How can you say "we want to hear your feedback" but then say that despite everything, you expected the feedback to be like that and you proceed anyway
Like, it doesn't matter what we would have said - they already made up their decision and just wasted everyone time with this "we value your feedback" bullshit

Thanks for wasting my time. Our time. Get fucked

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Leonhart4
04/16/24 3:40:16 PM
#211:


"We've read your responses and we're letting you know we don't care what you think. We'll make a follow-up topic letting you know we still don't care what you think."

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Wanglicious
04/16/24 3:41:34 PM
#212:


Forceful_Dragon posted...


Also we don't care about CE or it's legacy, we just don't understand why it affects us

worse than that, it's that they don't acknowledge there's other social boards beyond CE. B8 might be the biggest but there's a lot of other communities too.

"We have this social board you can use.
Yeah but that one sucks, that's why we don't use it.
Ah, but we have this social board you can use."

completely tonedeaf and said nothing.

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Seanchan
04/16/24 3:45:31 PM
#213:


Nanis23 posted...
Like, it doesn't matter what we would have said - they already made up their decision and just wasted everyone time with this "we value your feedback" bullshit

Feels like that's true about 90% of the time when corporations ask for feedback. They might hear you but they are certainly not listening.

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foolm0r0n
04/16/24 3:46:38 PM
#214:


They seriously think CE is the place people go to discuss politics on this site

Like you're on b8 and think "hey I want to talk to people I know about politics, let me go to a completely different board with completely different (and deranged) people so that I can talk about politics"

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FFDragon
04/16/24 3:46:55 PM
#215:


They probably didn't even hear it, they probably had this response in a can ready to autopost 24 hours later.

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FFDragon
04/16/24 3:47:34 PM
#216:


foolm0r0n posted...
They seriously think CE is the only place anyone has ever discussed politics on this site

They somehow don't realize they didn't just buy a videogame site.

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KingButz
04/16/24 3:48:39 PM
#217:


Of course they don't care. They want you to get angry and leave the site. They aren't interested in social boards.

This was a calculated decision.

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Obellisk
04/16/24 3:49:17 PM
#218:


Game(of life)FAQS

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Leonhart4
04/16/24 3:49:34 PM
#219:


FFDragon posted...
They somehow don't realize they didn't just buy a videogame site.

See, if Allen had let us have the All Fictional Character Battle, this could have been avoided.

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Reg
04/16/24 3:49:51 PM
#220:


While I can't commit to anything at this moment beyond hoping moderation and the community becomes more positive overall. Ideally creating a more positive environment allows Fandom to invest more resources into it. Bringing back bounties for a few grand is cool, hypothetically speaking $300,000 is a lot cooler. Roughly 1,000 people online each day is a number but what if that was 10,000 with proper cross-linking, clean up, and things to do?
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Wanglicious
04/16/24 3:49:58 PM
#221:


also

in before they decide to turn on topicality to this board after over a decade without it.

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foolm0r0n
04/16/24 3:52:51 PM
#222:


I'm actually really curious what timmy thinks a board called "Gamefaqs Contents" is spending 25000 posts talking about

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Dancedreamer
04/16/24 3:53:47 PM
#223:


"we believe it is essential to maintain a focus on gaming-related content"

*looks at the religion board* *thinking emoji*

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AriaOfBolo
04/16/24 3:56:29 PM
#224:


I'm pretty close to just busting out the pork links and having done with it

maybe a lueshi instead

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FFDragon
04/16/24 3:58:30 PM
#225:


AriaOfBolo posted...
pork links

after 23 years, this is my legacy

somehow fitting

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ivysnow
04/16/24 4:03:26 PM
#226:


we hear you, we see you; fuck off
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FoolFantastic
04/16/24 4:05:07 PM
#227:


An admin with 86 karma, ew

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Wanglicious
04/16/24 4:06:21 PM
#228:


also wait a sec.
political topics wouldn't be part of gamefaqs at all? hmmm.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll

let's find out.
"election"

09/19/2023 Are you registered to vote?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/9315-are-you-registered-to-vote

11/08/2016 Who do you most want to win today's US presidential election?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6511-who-do-you-most-want-to-win-todays-us-presidential-election

11/06/2012 Who do you most want to win today's US presidential election?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4895-who-do-you-most-want-to-win-todays-us-presidential-election

10/21/2004 Do you plan to vote in the US presidential election?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1796-do-you-plan-to-vote-in-the-us-presidential-election

10/20/2004 Who do you think will win the US presidential election?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1795-who-do-you-think-will-win-the-us-presidential-election

11/04/2000 Who do you want to win the US Presidential Election?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/341-who-do-you-want-to-win-the-us-presidential-election

11/03/2000 Who do you think will win the US Presidential Election?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/340-who-do-you-think-will-win-the-us-presidential-election

search for "Vote"
11/07/2000 Are you going to vote or have you already voted today?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/344-are-you-going-to-vote-or-have-you-already-voted-today

search for "politic"
08/16/2012 How would you describe yourself politically?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4813-how-would-you-describe-yourself-politically

03/27/2009 How would you describe yourself politically?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3435-how-would-you-describe-yourself-politically

11/15/2007 With a recent poll saying that liberals game more than conservatives, how do you lean politically?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2936-with-a-recent-poll-saying-that-liberals-game-more-than

04/22/2003 How would you describe yourself politically?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1235-how-would-you-describe-yourself-politically

11/07/2000 Are you going to vote or have you already voted today?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/344-are-you-going-to-vote-or-have-you-already-voted-today

11/06/2000 How would you describe yourself politically?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/343-how-would-you-describe-yourself-politically

so am i not allowed to talk about the subjects which these polls, made by management across 20+ years, are about? because it sure looks like if gamefaqs was made today politics would be part of it like it always was.

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XIII_Rocks
04/16/24 4:06:30 PM
#229:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Also we don't care about CE or it's legacy, we just don't understand why it affects us

The picture has been painted that CE is the only social board. It's the most active for sure, but it's also the worst. That's what has pissed me off the most - we as a community agreed to essentially contain politics to one topic. B8 has - eventually, it got pretty bad there for a while, but eventually - handled political discussions far more effectively than CE has. But CE keeps political discussion and we're just beneath Fandom's notice apparently.

It also doesn't cover the regional boards. 313 is pretty popular and covers a very specific and local brand of politics. So now they need to go to CE to post there too, oh wait, maybe they can't because they never go there, so now they're just...what, locked out of any reasonable discussion on the site?

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NFUN
04/16/24 4:08:22 PM
#230:


AriaOfBolo posted...
I'm pretty close to just busting out the pork links and having done with it

maybe a lueshi instead
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Leonhart4
04/16/24 4:10:57 PM
#231:


FFDragon posted...
after 23 years, this is my legacy

somehow fitting

I remember you for pork links and Wigs (I believe it was him) for Sonic Herpes.

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Yesmar_
04/16/24 4:22:46 PM
#232:


Reading between the lines, I'm not sure the endgame for Fandom is eliminating the site, but rather eliminating *us* the users. They want a younger, "hipper," crowd, and they think that if they can "reorient" the site to be all about gaming they can do that. None of their recent changes will do that of course, since none of the boards where people discuss politics are visible to new users, but this was probably some order from a sales/management person that doesn't understand how the boards work. They just told someone to remove politics and this was the compromise result. People are trying to get a "why" out of DToast in that second Feedback topic, but he didn't come up with this idea and he didn't want it, so he's not going to be able to provide anything.

The reason why Fandom doesn't care about us ultimately isn't because they don't care about their customers (although I'm sure it's some of that.) It's that they don't even see us as customers.

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AriaOfBolo
04/16/24 4:25:09 PM
#234:


I wonder if I can even get to CE, not that I really want to. I got purg'd like fifteen years ago iirc.

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XIII_Rocks
04/16/24 4:28:09 PM
#236:


Yesmar_ posted...
Reading between the lines, I'm not sure the endgame for Fandom is eliminating the site, but rather eliminating *us* the users. They want a younger, "hipper," crowd, and they think that if they can "reorient" the site to be all about gaming they can do that. None of their recent changes will do that of course, since none of the boards where people discuss politics are visible to new users, but this was probably some order from a sales/management person that doesn't understand how the boards work. They just told someone to remove politics and this was the compromise result. People are trying to get a "why" out of DToast in that second Feedback topic, but he didn't come up with this idea and he didn't want it, so he's not going to be able to provide anything.

The reason why Fandom doesn't care about us ultimately isn't because they don't care about their customers (although I'm sure it's some of that.) It's that they don't even see us as customers.


That's about right

Reading that Tim post reminded me of the European Super League rhetoric from a couple of years back. Older users are being treated like "legacy fans" were when the ESL was first presented
https://www.football365.com/news/european-super-league-liverpool-manchester-united-legacy-fans

So yes Fandom is broadly equivalent to the most grotesque attempt to disassemble a sport in my lifetime - nice job

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Xeybozn
04/16/24 4:28:44 PM
#237:


Yesmar_ posted...
The reason why Fandom doesn't care about us ultimately isn't because they don't care about their customers (although I'm sure it's some of that.) It's that they don't even see us as customers.

I mean, we aren't their customers. That'd be the advertisers.

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GranzonEx
04/16/24 4:32:09 PM
#238:


They will do away with the boards soon enough. The content (FAQs and walkthroughs) are the only things worth anything to them. The message boards are like comments on a blog post, nobody really reads them. This is a wake up call.

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Leonhart4
04/16/24 4:32:18 PM
#239:


UltimaterializerX posted...
That's what this place is though? Or did my contribution page suddenly stop only covering video games?

Are you talking about video games right now?

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red_sox_777
04/16/24 4:42:43 PM
#240:


GranzonEx posted...
They will do away with the boards soon enough. The content (FAQs and walkthroughs) are the only things worth anything to them. The message boards are like comments on a blog post, nobody really reads them. This is a wake up call.

Unless GameFAQs changed the terms by which users submit content at some point, they don't own the content. The copyright belongs to the contributor.

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Chaeix
04/16/24 4:47:20 PM
#241:


has fandom banned themselves yet for making what is and isnt politics political?

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Wanglicious
04/16/24 4:50:06 PM
#242:


based on board activity?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/explore/3-special-interest-boards
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/explore/1-game-boards

we're a forum of anime and wrestling above everything else.


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Seanchan
04/16/24 4:51:23 PM
#243:


UltimaterializerX posted...
That's what this place is though? Or did my contribution page suddenly stop only covering video games?

So let's take a look at all the other shit being talked about on the "GameFAQs Contests" board at the moment:
* Game Show Mount Rushmore - off topic
* Premier League and Football/Soccer - off topic
* Someone going to Argentina - off topic
* Music - off topic
* Wrestling - off topic
* Crapping your pants - off topic

You know what, I think like 99.5% of this board is off topic! Remove it all except for Contests Stats and Discussion.

UltimaterializerX posted...
"political discussion does not make sense as a core driver of conversations on a site dedicated to video games and gameplay"

This is true, and people keep ignoring that forums and such that ban this stuff get less toxic overnight by default. I don't want GameFAQs turning into Twitter. There's a reason I come here and not there.

The things and topics I don't care about, I ignore. I don't give a single fuck about Mafia, and so I use the tag and thus don't see it. People like it, I don't, I move on. We had one fucking topic for politics! And when users in that topic got all stupid for a few pages, I'd simply click forward until Thorn posted something interesting. We, as someone else said, organically came to a workable solution that was very easy for people to ignore.

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FFDragon
04/16/24 4:57:56 PM
#244:


UltimaterializerX posted...
That's what this place is though? Or did my contribution page suddenly stop only covering video games?

c'mon bud, don't be obtuse on purpose

You know the big non-VG boards here outpace the big game boards. And this board - our home board - is often more non-VG talk than VG talk.

I came to this site initially for the VG stuff, but stayed for the non-VG stuff. I imagine I'm not the only one.

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Reg
04/16/24 4:58:40 PM
#245:


I have become convinced that the only reason CE is at the forefront of this issue is its name, not its community
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kevwaffles
04/16/24 5:02:59 PM
#246:


Reg posted...
I have become convinced that the only reason CE is at the forefront of this issue is its name, not its community
Almost certainly

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Wanglicious
04/16/24 5:03:55 PM
#247:


worse than that Reg, CE is at the forefront of this issue because that's where a lot of are the mods come and where a lot of things get modded, partially because it's where a lot of people went to after the politics boards were killed.

essentially home field advantage + adopted the problem child + lowest common denominator.

highly doubt places like here, the UK board, or any other region has the same issues. with CE's already declining numbers, B8 + UK + another decent sized social board would have more content in all ways and a significantly smaller footprint of trouble. but it doesn't matter because that's not where the staff is or the "perceived problem."

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GranzonEx
04/16/24 5:04:16 PM
#248:


red_sox_777 posted...
Unless GameFAQs changed the terms by which users submit content at some point, they don't own the content. The copyright belongs to the contributor.
I'm merely saying they don't need message boards. Your accounts will not be deleted. It's like if youtube turned off comments for a video. Your content is still up for everyone to see, and people can still email you through the contacts.

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XIII_Rocks
04/16/24 5:11:25 PM
#249:


The name "Current Events" is a "problem" yes

Wanglicious posted...
worse than that Reg, CE is at the forefront of this issue because that's where a lot of are the mods come and where a lot of things get modded, partially because it's where a lot of people went to after the politics boards were killed.

The mods being CE-leaning has always been a bit of an issue for me, it unbalanced the way issues were presented and I think was key to this out-of-touch change. That's not really anybody's fault - it's the biggest social board, most mod apps come from there, etc - but I think it has been an indirect part of this.

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VintageGin
04/16/24 5:16:25 PM
#250:


This seems like an ad rev/monetization decision. Advertisers tend to be a bit iffy about user-generated content, so this is the heavy-handed approach to appeal to them. It's easier to guarantee your advertisers won't risk their ads appearing next to a psychotic political post if you just don't allow politics at all (or "hornyposting" lol).

GameFAQs likely drives so little revenue compared to the rest of their content that it's more of a liability than anything else to Fandom.

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