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Cotton_Eye_Joe
04/05/24 2:49:46 AM
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So it must be good to be evil some time.

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pegusus123456
04/05/24 2:50:38 AM
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Up there, there is so much room

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Kradek
04/05/24 3:06:41 AM
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Nah.

You could be good/neutral. Someone who doesn't help someone else who is in trouble can be neutral, it is not inherently evil to not want to put yourself at risk for another when you don't need to, however it would be good/a good deed to assist them when they are, especially if it comes with risk to yourself.

You could be good in a world full of neutrality.

~cue obligatory Futurama jokes~

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kurdt032
04/05/24 3:08:24 AM
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Man identifying people as neutral lmao

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MICHALECOLE
04/05/24 3:11:03 AM
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Where babies burp and flowers bloom
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Zikten
04/05/24 4:09:47 AM
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South Park Satan is such a nice guy. Have they had him on the show recently? Admittedly I haven't seen the last few seasons. I think I last watched when Stan's dad had the marijuana farm
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pegusus123456
04/05/24 4:12:58 AM
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Zikten posted...
South Park Satan is such a nice guy. Have they had him on the show recently? Admittedly I haven't seen the last few seasons. I think I last watched when Stan's dad had the marijuana farm
Going by the wiki, he hasn't been in an episode since 2018

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Foppe
04/05/24 4:15:11 AM
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Zikten posted...
South Park Satan is such a nice guy. Have they had him on the show recently? Admittedly I haven't seen the last few seasons. I think I last watched when Stan's dad had the marijuana farm
He last appeared in Season 22 Episode 7 - Nobody Got Cereal?
ManBearPig attacks and kills him, sending him to heaven.

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Zikten
04/05/24 4:19:30 AM
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Foppe posted...
He last appeared in Season 22 Episode 7 - Nobody Got Cereal?
ManBearPig attacks and kills him, sending him to heaven.


They could always still bring him back, and have him be a bigger part of the show. Imagine if he became mayor of South Park? That could be funny
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Doe
04/05/24 4:24:40 AM
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Good is not defined as the absence of evil, you can absolutely have a world of good without evil

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LinkDaLunatic
04/05/24 4:27:21 AM
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Kradek posted...
Nah.

You could be good/neutral. Someone who doesn't help someone else who is in trouble can be neutral, it is not inherently evil to not want to put yourself at risk for another when you don't need to, however it would be good/a good deed to assist them when they are, especially if it comes with risk to yourself.

You could be good in a world full of neutrality.

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i come across a baby drowning in a sink. i could save the baby, but at the risk of getting my hands wet. thankfully with your reasoning, because there is a risk to me, i am not evil if i let this baby drown. i can simply walk away and remain a good/neutral person. phew.

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Link_HT
04/05/24 4:28:50 AM
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kurdt032 posted...
Man identifying people as neutral lmao

Most people are neutral. Most people consider themselves a "good person" for no reason, as if that is the default. It's not.
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Kradek
04/05/24 3:12:56 PM
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LinkDaLunatic posted...
i come across a baby drowning in a sink. i could save the baby, but at the risk of getting my hands wet. thankfully with your reasoning, because there is a risk to me, i am not evil if i let this baby drown. i can simply walk away and remain a good/neutral person. phew.

Are you evil for not personally ensuring that no baby in the world ever dies? You're using a stupid example over something asinine such as "getting your hands wet", when I specifically mentioned risk/harm coming to the person. It costs nothing for anybody to pick up a baby that's drowning in a bathtub.

If a baby was drowning in a raging river, it's not evil to not want to risk dying for that baby, it's the option most people would choose. Like, you really think the vast majority of people would dive on in? No. The psychological phenomenon known as the bystander effect shows this. Is everybody who assumes somebody else will come along and be a savior evil? No. However, you would be justified in challenging their thinking that they're good people. That's what I mean by neutrality, the state of being the vast majority of the populace exists within.

Good people step up when they're not required to, that's what makes them stand out and the point of my post was that you don't need evil to exist in order for good people to exist.

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VeggetaX
04/05/24 3:14:55 PM
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I believe some people needs to make other people villains in order to make themselves a hero.

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Crimsoness
04/05/24 3:19:01 PM
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Then let me be evil!

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DrizztLink
04/05/24 3:22:18 PM
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Imagine a society of saints, a perfect cloister of exemplary individuals. Crimes, properly so called, will there be unknown; but faults which appear venial to the layman will create there the same scandal that the ordinary offense does in ordinary consciousnesses. If, then, this society has the power to judge and punish, it will define these acts as criminal and will treat them as such.

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Doe
04/05/24 3:55:40 PM
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^Did Durkheim do any studies as a sociologist to support that hypothesis or did he just assert it?

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DrizztLink
04/05/24 4:22:29 PM
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Doe posted...
^Did Durkheim do any studies as a sociologist to support that hypothesis or did he just assert it?
The only outright study of his I can find is his suicide one, but I could very well be wrong.

His sociology/deviance stuff is predominately theory, but sociology (or at the least deviance sociology) as a science is largely derived from that work.

Personal perception, but I think towards that part of his life he was more concerned with advancing sociology instead of doing it.

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Hayame_Zero
04/05/24 4:25:56 PM
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That moment when you realize the song is referencing Part of Your World from Little Mermaid.

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MICHALECOLE
04/05/24 5:12:51 PM
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Hayame_Zero posted...
That moment when you realize the song is referencing Part of Your World from Little Mermaid.
I dont think thats true
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RetuenOfDevsman
04/05/24 5:25:13 PM
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Nah I don't buy this whole existence by contrast thing at a fundamental level. It's at best axiomatic, in a "well, because that just makes sense to me" kind of way. But I maintain that making sense to you hardly constitutes proof.

I could absolutely see if, on the contrary, contrast is not necessary to existence. For example, if we lived in a world where the only wavelength of light were exactly 575nm, this being a shade of yellow, we probably wouldn't have a concept of color. It's hard to say; maybe someone could come up with color as a thought experiment, I don't know. After all, we live in a 3D world yet and there are plenty of mathematics relating to 4, 5, 6 and up dimensional geometry.

Anyway. Supposing we didn't have a concept of color, that doesn't mean that wavelength of light isn't yellow. Just that we haven't named it.

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Torgo
04/05/24 5:32:03 PM
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"Without evil there can be no good"

-- This is what we call a "deepity". It's a statement that sounds nice and profound, but when you analyze it, it really doesn't mean anything or make sense.

Of course there can be good without evil. I can sacrifice a small amount of time to volunteer helping others. No evil needs to happen, unless we define every minor inconvenience and discomfort as evil - which I don't. Ultimately, I believe evil needs intent or it's just misfortune.

I don't think most people disagree either, evil requires intention and therefore there can obviously be good without evil.


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