Current Events > The Ugly Sonic Disaster Is Still Freaking Hollywood Out.

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Hornswoggled
04/03/24 4:11:06 PM
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https://gizmodo.com/sonic-original-movie-design-paramount-drama-video-games-1851383994

It's so funny that it's treated as this huge revelation in Hollywood that the fans of something will be nicer to you if you make the characters actually look like the characters from the thing you're adapting from.
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Smashingpmkns
04/03/24 4:14:24 PM
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Even if it were a new IP, that OG design was terrifyingly bad. Dunno how it got greenlit.

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SkittyOnWailord
04/03/24 4:14:56 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5d3efcd2.jpg

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Raiden2909
04/03/24 4:15:10 PM
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I can't help but laugh with how toxic, divided and absolutely insane the Sonic fandom and really gaming in general is, that for one brief moment we all come together for a single reason.. and that was to say that the Original Sonic movie design was ass and to change it
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Garioshi
04/03/24 4:15:13 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I imagine it's been for licensing reasons. Maybe licensing a design is its own expense separate from licensing the IP?

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MarcyWarcy
04/03/24 4:17:56 PM
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Ugly Sonic was especially baffling to me because Sega is incredibly controlling of Sonic's design aesthetic in western stuff. I cant imagine someone there didn't have to sign off on the original design for it to get that far.

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Seaman_Prime
04/03/24 4:21:53 PM
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They probably still dont understand that the audiences dont give a shit about all the human stuff
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1337toothbrush
04/03/24 4:24:24 PM
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Seaman_Prime posted...
They probably still dont understand that the audiences dont give a shit about all the human stuff
I need the humans or my tiny brain wouldn't be able to relate to the story and would be all confused and lost.

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Doe
04/03/24 4:25:39 PM
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I'm still tinfoilhatting that Ugly Sonic was an intentional marketing scheme

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littlebro07
04/03/24 4:30:50 PM
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Ugly Sonic having a cameo in that Chip 'n Dale movie was incredible though so I'm glad it happened >_>

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SpawnShadow
04/03/24 4:32:41 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Perhaps when stuff like this happened before the "Ugly Sonic" debacle, the execs figured that the hardcore fans would watch it anyway, regardless of how much they complained, and that the redesign was done to cater toward people in the focus groups who weren't already in the fanbase (with their criticisms of the original design being focused on too much in the redesign phases), in a cynical attempt to maximize profits by getting as many people in to see it as they could, only for it to backfire hard with Sonic when it turned out that a lot of people (both fans and non-fans alike) were utterly disturbed by the resulting uncanny valley abomination?

I think then that the lessons they should take from "Ugly Sonic" are that:
  1. Focus groups aren't the be-all end-all
  2. Sometimes the original looks became iconic for a reason, and
  3. That some people who ended up in the focus groups just have bizarre tastes that aren't necessarily shared by much of the moviegoing public
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Foppe
04/03/24 4:33:26 PM
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I wanna see the full movie with Ugly Sonic.

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BombermanGold
04/03/24 4:33:47 PM
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Doe posted...
I'm still tinfoilhatting that Ugly Sonic was an intentional marketing scheme

Same. The fix was quite fast.

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GATTJT
04/03/24 4:39:29 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e14463d4.jpg

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PowerOats
04/03/24 4:49:10 PM
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Don't forget there was also a Ugly Tails
BombermanGold posted...


Same. The fix was quite fast.


The time between the first design and the current was just over 6 months, that's enough time to change a lot since the set pieces in the 1st movie aren't crazy or complicated
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Revisited
04/03/24 4:50:55 PM
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GATTJT posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e14463d4.jpg
I know that's korra and shinji (though I don't remember why korra would go insane) but who's the 3rd guy?
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DnDer
04/03/24 4:53:22 PM
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Revisited posted...
though I don't remember why korra would go insane

Was it from when she got trapped in the box?

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KI_Simpson
04/03/24 4:57:17 PM
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Revisited posted...
(though I don't remember why korra would go insane)
I think that's when the third season's villain was slowly poisoning her to death in an attempt to make her die in the avatar state. She started hallucinating past season villains telling her the world would be better off with her dead.

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rexcrk
04/03/24 4:57:56 PM
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SkittyOnWailord posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5d3efcd2.jpg


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Turbam
04/03/24 4:58:38 PM
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SkittyOnWailord posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5d3efcd2.jpg
Hot girl Heaven

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Cemith
04/03/24 4:58:46 PM
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Doe posted...
I'm still tinfoilhatting that Ugly Sonic was an intentional marketing scheme

Honestly I buy that.

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Hayame_Zero
04/03/24 5:00:19 PM
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I don't believe for one second that it was a marketing gimmick just given how expensive CGI is.

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LonelyStoner
04/03/24 5:01:38 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/01f3e718.jpg

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Revisited
04/03/24 5:08:14 PM
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KI_Simpson posted...
I think that's when the third season's villain was slowly poisoning her to death in an attempt to make her die in the avatar state. She started hallucinating past season villains telling her the world would be better off with her dead.
That's dark to be honest.
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KI_Simpson
04/03/24 5:10:07 PM
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Revisited posted...
That's dark to be honest.
They moved it to streaming only that season, I think.

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s0nicfan
04/03/24 5:10:14 PM
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Garioshi posted...
I imagine it's been for licensing reasons. Maybe licensing a design is its own expense separate from licensing the IP?

This is more or less my assumption as well. Some exec was probably like "if we use this design we owe Sega 50% of toy sales and there's a chance kids buy existing sonic toys, but if use this OTHER original design we only owe SEGA 49% of toy sales and kids won't "accidentally" buy Sega ones.

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specialkid8
04/03/24 5:12:39 PM
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It's really not hard to understand. They wanted a slightly more realistic design so you don't have that reverse uncanny valley feeling where a character looks too much like a cartoon in a live action movie. They wanted something that looked like Rocket Raccoon. They also didn't care about fans because this was a movie made for children, not 40 year old men who grew up playing Sonic. Children are historically not too discerning. But it backfired because 40 year old Sonic fans are...yeah...

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absolutebuffoon
04/03/24 5:13:53 PM
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SkittyOnWailord posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5d3efcd2.jpg
NGL that's an improvement over the first design at least
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DrizztLink
04/03/24 5:14:03 PM
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specialkid8 posted...
They also didn't care about fans because this was a movie made for children, not 40 year old men who grew up playing Sonic. Children are historically not too discerning. But it backfired because 40 year old Sonic fans are...yeah...
You realize the negative reaction was basically unanimous, yeah?

Like, far more than Weird Sonic Dudes were clowning it.

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absolutebuffoon
04/03/24 5:16:39 PM
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specialkid8 posted...
It's really not hard to understand. They wanted a slightly more realistic design so you don't have that reverse uncanny valley feeling where a character looks too much like a cartoon in a live action movie. They wanted something that looked like Rocket Raccoon. They also didn't care about fans because this was a movie made for children, not 40 year old men who grew up playing Sonic. Children are historically not too discerning. But it backfired because 40 year old Sonic fans are...yeah...
Concerned their replacement design was really weird looking?
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specialkid8
04/03/24 5:18:20 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
You realize the negative reaction was basically unanimous, yeah?

Like, far more than Weird Sonic Dudes were clowning it.
It just went viral. Most people didn't give a shit about a Sonic movie to begin with.

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creativerealms
04/03/24 5:19:25 PM
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Disaster? It was the most successful marketing gimmick in recent years. It managed to trick people into thinking a mediocre movie was good just because they "fixed" the design.

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Revisited
04/03/24 5:29:41 PM
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Wait are you guys saying that technically James marsden filmed his scenes with ugly sonic? They didn't reshoot the scenes with the good sonic, the true sonic? That is wild if true.
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TendoDRM
04/03/24 5:33:00 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5934ffd7.jpg

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LinkDaLunatic
04/03/24 5:35:50 PM
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Turbam posted...
Hot girl Heaven
do we have guptill's official opinion on that pic?

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Punished_Blinx
04/03/24 5:38:49 PM
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I remember the first warning sign were the weird human looking legs in that poster before they even dropped that first trailer. It was so obvious it was gonna be a train wreck.

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MarcyWarcy
04/03/24 5:54:47 PM
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specialkid8 posted...
It's really not hard to understand. They wanted a slightly more realistic design so you don't have that reverse uncanny valley feeling where a character looks too much like a cartoon in a live action movie. They wanted something that looked like Rocket Raccoon. They also didn't care about fans because this was a movie made for children, not 40 year old men who grew up playing Sonic. Children are historically not too discerning. But it backfired because 40 year old Sonic fans are...yeah...

the original design is about 100 times more uncanny valley than the end result

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GameGodOfAll
04/03/24 6:00:13 PM
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Turbam posted...
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Just look at that hair! NOW WE'RE TALKING!

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UnholyMudcrab
04/03/24 6:02:42 PM
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specialkid8 posted...
It's really not hard to understand. They wanted a slightly more realistic design so you don't have that reverse uncanny valley feeling where a character looks too much like a cartoon in a live action movie. They wanted something that looked like Rocket Raccoon. They also didn't care about fans because this was a movie made for children, not 40 year old men who grew up playing Sonic. Children are historically not too discerning. But it backfired because 40 year old Sonic fans are...yeah...
You've gone and debased yourself. Why have you done that?

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NoxObscuras
04/03/24 6:04:42 PM
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LonelyStoner posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/01f3e718.jpg
This is honestly my favorite part of the whole ugly Sonic thing. His cameo in the Chip and Dale movie was hilarious. The way they zoomed in on his teeth

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dfranctv
04/03/24 6:08:54 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
This is honestly my favorite part of the whole ugly Sonic thing. His cameo in the Chip and Dale movie was hilarious. The way they zoomed in on his teeth

I remember reading somewhere that they were originally planning to use Jar Jar Binks as a cameo instead of Ugly Sonic.
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DrizztLink
04/03/24 6:20:01 PM
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dfranctv posted...
I remember reading somewhere that they were originally planning to use Jar Jar Binks as a cameo instead of Ugly Sonic.
They abso-fucking-lutely made the right choice.

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