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Israeli intelligence services have studied civilian casualty figures released by the Hamas-run Ministry of Health in Gaza and concluded the figures were generally accurate, despite earlier public claims by U.S. and Israeli officials that the ministrys statistics are manipulated.

According to a story in Mekomit by Yuval Avraham, who last year broke news about the Israeli militarys use of AI for targeting purposes, the numbers were accepted for inclusion in briefings to senior Israeli officials after intelligence services conducted operations and analysis to monitor the health ministrys information collection methods and its internal communications and determined the statistics were credible. An Israeli intelligence official confirmed the Israeli government's use of the Gaza ministry numbers to VICE News, while two officials from European intelligence services said they were widely used in official briefings internationally.

The majority of Palestinian prisoners held in prison by Israel? Yes.

The measures it applies, combining elements of colonial administration and martial law, cover not only incidents involving recourse to violence but many other activities, non-violent protests, political and cultural statements and the way Palestinians are allowed to move or associate with each other.

Some of the problematic facets of the system Palestinian prisoners are subject to are, according to sociology professor Lisa Hajjar; prolonged detention of suspects incommunicado, impeding a client's access to his lawyer, the routine use of coercion under interrogation to obtain confessions and the introduction of "secret evidence".

According to Red Cross statistics, in the first two decades of the occupation, from 1967 to 1987, one in three Palestinians, about 500,000, were detained by Israeli forces, and on any given day the courts would be crammed with "children in handcuffs, women pleading with soldiers, anxious people thronging lawyers for information." After the Oslo Accords, courts in Palestinian towns were withdrawn to Area C, causing greater difficulty for lawyers and family of the defendant to get access to the tribunals because of the permit system.

For the decade from 2000 to 2009 it was estimated that at any one time anywhere between 600 and 1,000 Palestinians were subjected annually to administrative detention. Amnesty International stated that in 2017 Israeli authorities continue to adopt administrative detention rather than criminal prosecution to detain "hundreds of Palestinians, including children, civil society leaders and NGOworkers, without charge or trial under renewable orders, based on information withheld from detainees and their lawyers", and that administrative detainees numbered 441.

Amnesty International has stated that Israel has imprisoned Palestinians for prolonged periods, without charging them or putting them on trial. Israel has said that detention without trial is a necessary security measure used to avoid exposing confidential information in trials. The European Union has criticized the policy. Within the West Bank, any local army commander can issue an administrative detention order, and the order can be appealed at the local military court, or, if denied there, at the Supreme Court. However, the Supreme Court almost never intervenes.

2023 report by Save the Children found widespread use of physical, emotional, and sexual abuse against Palestinian children in Israeli military detention. The report found that among detained children, 86% were beaten, 69% were strip searched, 60% spent time in solitary confinement, 68% were denied any healthcare, and 58% were denied visits or communication with family.

It is an apartheid state. That is what they do.

> "As of April 2024 Israel holds 2,071 sentenced prisoners, 2,731 remand detainees and 3,661 administrative detainees held without trial. Israel also holds 849 people as 'unlawful combatants'".

> "The data does not include laborers from the Gaza Strip and others who were in Israel lawfully with permits on the eve of the Hamas attack on Israeli communities on October 7, 2023, following which, Israel cancelled all permits for Gaza residents and has held these people, reportedly numbering over 4,000 as of late October 2023, in Anatot and Ofer military camps."

source: https://hamoked.org/prisoners-charts.php

In case anyone's wondering: administrative detention is just what hostage-taking is called when a state actor does it. It's detention without charge or trial that can be renewed indefinitely. Human Rights organizations have documented widespread use of torture and humiliation on these prisoners:

source: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-tor
ture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/

Right so they get a blank check to rape murder and kidnap anyone around got you. Including innocent bystanders or from other nations that have nothing to do with it or werent even born when your supposed start of the war in 1967....

Right so they get a blank check to rape murder and kidnap anyone around got you. Including innocent bystanders or from other nations that have nothing to do with it or werent even born when your supposed start of the war in 1967....

Right so they get a blank check to rape murder and kidnap anyone around got you. Including innocent bystanders or from other nations that have nothing to do with it or werent even born when your supposed start of the war in 1967....

Oh...and do these organizations regularly post their own casualties and have a ministry of health for the whole world to use as a reference for their numbers?

I can't tell if you're calling the imprisoned-without-cause-children rapists or if you are denying the well documented fact that Israel detains countless people without cause and without evidence or for waving a Palestinian flag. Either way you should really catch a suspension for this post.

That's an odd non-sequitur response after being confronted by the facts of Israeli large scale detainment of people without charges, after you were just falsely claiming that only one side had hostages.

Just Asking Questions to deny atrocities.

Not a great look.

Were they voted in at any point to run gaza?

Right and this began in 1967 you said?

Pretending there isnt an obvious difference there.....not a great look.

Oh i think you can tell if you have basic reading skills....its just hard through the self righteous haze.

Right and this began in 1967 you said? How many raped mudered and kidnapped by hamas were involved in taking the hostages held by isreal in your version of history?

Pretending there isnt an obvious difference there.....not a great look.

Where did I say anything like that? Where did I mention 1967? Quote it.

And you accuse others of having bad reading skills, oof.

Feel free to explain the difference. Are you denying the casualty numbers in Gaza just like you're denying the prisoners held by Israel without charges?

Were they voted in at any point to run gaza?

I think hes done more than give them weapons.....maybe you should look harder....

..and do these organizations regularly post their own casualties and have a ministry of health for the whole world to use as a reference for their numbers? Were they voted in at any point to run gaza?

This is just atrocity propaganda used to justify genocide, when the actual truth looks more like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Owa90I77sE

You can't say what good he's done because there is none.

No. They were voted in but that doesn't make them not a terrorist group. Hamas committed a terrorist attack not the children of Palestine. Hamas posting accurate information is the stupidest reason to condemn children to starvation.

It seems like you're struggling to keep users apart here. Let me help: my username is Hornezz and I posted the statistics on administrative detention in Israel in post #299, which you responded to.

You made the claim that Israel isn't holding hostages, I showed you otherwise. And now you're just going on a ramble and putting ridiculous claims in my mouth.

What does anything in your post have to do with the Israel holding innocent people captive?

And are you denying the rape murder and kidnapping of other nations people thst have nothing to do with what isreal has or has not done? What justification is there for it?

So your saying he has done nothing but given them weapons in his interactions with him?

Maybe you just don't follow the news or care about the conflict after all.

Right. And isreal has no reason to contiue the fight or negotiate with them then in your version of history?

Well the rest of the world is calling it a war whether your bar for it is whether they are a terrorist organization or not. My source can be found in virtually every news story about the conflict.

Oh were these among the people they raped murdered and kidnapped though indiscriminately including ones from several other countries that have nothing to do with it?

And are you denying the rape murder and kidnapping of other nations

@X8Azazel8X: Israel doesn't hold hostages!
Me: Israel is holding thousands of people captive without charges and is subjecting them to torture.
@X8Azazel8X: Oh yeah, WHEN DID THE WAR START??

wtf is even this conversation?

Actually address the point without these desperate attempts at derailment.

...you expect Hamas to check the ID for everybody?
I mean, it seems that you got no problems with Israel killing non-Palestinas, so why would Hamas have to do it?

Yes.

you could just be selectively looking at news that is negative? So your saying he has done nothing but given them weapons in his interactions with him?

Maybe you just don't follow the news or care about the conflict after all.

You've been trying to justify a genocide. It's ridiculous for you to say anyone else doesn't care.

They should fight Hamas on the ground. Bombings and starving children hasn't worked to save any hostages.

I think they should negotiate with Hamas but they shouldn't think of them as a government.

The world believing in geocentrism and flat Earth didn't make either true.

You think Israel doesn't murder people from other countries that have nothing to do with it? Did you miss the aid workers they killed just yesterday? Remember Rachel Corrie? Are you utterly ignorant or just wilfully blind?

He says right as the massive story of Israel killing food aide workers from
other nations drops

Well then i refer to my response...
This being true why are you posting at all?

I was posting in response to what Biden has done and why the war continues...but this is what you got out of my post.....see a trend?

You've been trying to justify a genocide.

And your assessment will end the conflict, you think, if they just followed what you believe to be true instead of whats happening. Trending.....

I wonder has Biden said anything similar?

Right so no other source is a viable fact....just your assessment.

Hamas didnt i dunno kill food aid woekers steal the food and supplies for themselves ever before that though.

Hamas didnt i dunno kill food aid woekers steal the food and supplies for themselves ever before that though.

1. We see israel doing exactly what you state, just yesterday the most recent example
2. The claim originates from the people dehumanizing a population so they can continue a genocide.

They still wernt the targets

Israel repeatedly carrying out attacks that somehow keep murdering innocent people that aren't the targets over and over is not the get out of jail free card you think it is.

To add to this, if the Israel military is so fucking bad that they keep unintentionally killing Civilians, maybe we should stop giving them equipment money and bombs until with think they are trained enough to use them without having an oopsie and murdering a bunch of innocent people.

Of course, that won't happen, because the murdering of civilians is a feature not a bug.

I'm fully aware that Israeli soldiers have done awful things to civilians, but

Israel is the side using shaped munitions designed to minimize collateral damage, not the rockets designed to kill as many people as possible.

Nearly half of the air-to-ground munitions that Israel has used in Gaza in its war with Hamas since October 7 have been unguided, otherwise known as dumb bombs, according to a new US intelligence assessment.

All right buddy, you go launch an offensive against an enemy that is launching rockets from apartment buildings and schools and actively uses civilians as shields

People seem to be willing to believe literally every negative thing Hamas publishes about Israel's actions without questioning it, which seems absolutely insane to me

Oh so it was isreal that started the conflict is what you are saying? Explain how this started exactly. Explain why its still going on with specifics not generality.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/13/politics/intelligence-assessment-dumb-bombs-israel-gaza/index.html

Democrats has become the very thing they swore to destroy, racists.
They gleely allows Biden to support a Genocide because the victims aren't part of them.

Technically Gavrilo Princeps started all this shit.

This is a prime example of why I don't take most of these concern trolls seriously on this issue.

I put the blame on Wilhelm Souchon and Berkeley Milne. Without them, WW1 probably wouldn't have touched the Middle East.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pursuit_of_Goeben_and_Breslau

Why is Israel in the West Bank ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bQcNj9uZ_o&ab_channel=AssociatedPress