Current Events > Taliban will resume stoning women accused of adultery

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Prestoff posted...

I've always had this question, what do they do with the men who are also caught in the adultery as well?

When an unmarried male commits adultery with an unmarried female (they should receive) one hundred lashes and banishment for one year. And in case of married male committing adultery with a married female, they shall receive one hundred lashes and be stoned to death.

https://www.iium.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/017_smt.html

From the International Islamic University (in) Malaysia.

Taking the latter half there, I imagine the stoning to death is determined by if one were married.

Average age of marriage for muslim women is 16-20. Now, in Afghanistan, I wouldn't be surprised if that trends lower due to economic pressures since dowries are a thing, so poor Afghan families with daughters to spare are going to marry them off sooner than later.

wackyteen posted...

When an unmarried male commits adultery with an unmarried female (they should receive) one hundred lashes and banishment for one year. And in case of married male committing adultery with a married female, they shall receive one hundred lashes and be stoned to death.

https://www.iium.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/017_smt.html

From the International Islamic University (in) Malaysia.

Taking the latter half there, I imagine the stoning to death is determined by if one were married.

Average age for muslim women is 16-20. Now, in Afghanistan, I wouldn't be surprised if that trends lower due to economic pressures since dowries are a thing, so poor Afghan families with daughters to spare are going to marry them off sooner than later.

Thanks for doing the research for me. Normally for these kinds of stuff I would ask my friends/coworkers about but almost anytime this type of conversation gets brought up, they are almost always very silent about (and for good reason I guess).

The GOP are taking notes for Project 2025.

streamofthesky posted...

This. Taliban had basically nothing when US left. Afghans had plenty of hardware and vastly outnumbered them, could've easily sent them crawling back to their caves if they actually gave a damn about living in a Western style democracy.
They did literally nothing, so let them have the government they want.

The taliban were handed a promise and a plan by Trump and Pompeo that they would get full control of the government because we were leaving. And they did that deliberately without involving the Afghan government or telling them much of anything because it was blasted publicly after the fact that Pompeo did this entirely behind the Afghan government's back.

America couldn't displace, break, or otherwise eliminate them after two decades, but if the Afghani people just try hard enough, they can surely prevail!

We had to put in the effort to fully colonize Afghanistan and purge any resistance till it was a fitting nation, that was the only way it could properly evolve.

LeoRavus posted...

Did our 20 years in Afghanistan accomplish anything good?

Yes, Dick Cheney and his friends made a ton of money. Which was the real goal.

Prestoff posted...

Thanks for doing the research for me. Normally for these kinds of stuff I would ask my friends/coworkers about but almost anytime this type of conversation gets brought up, they are almost always very silent about (and for good reason I guess).

Its the less savory parts of religion that many people don't want to openly talk about because it, reasonably, doesn't look that good to those outside, or even in inside, the religion.

Now, obviously lashing and stoning is cruel, inhumane, and heinous, but considering the age in which the main 3 Abrahamic faiths gained their footing, you can reason out/see why it may have become a practice to lash/stone those who were engaging in pre or extra-marital sexual relations.

It's behavior that can destroy small or close-knit communities, which prior to the 1400s really, was the primary way the vast majority of the world's population lived. You could live your entire life within the same 100 sq mile/~260 sq km area, unless you went off on a Crusade or something. So the act being punishable (both secularly and in the eyes of God(s)) is understandable given the time frame and societal structure of the time. Stoning/lashing (publicly) was an easy way for authorities to demonstrate to all who saw or would go and tell others what happens if you do. Even if someone is uneducated, they can see and understand a lashing or stoning.

It also can create problems with spreading STDs. Medical knowledge prior to the 1900s was wildly and woefully minimal and many people would blame any and everything on demons, spirits, etc. So if someone slept with more than just their spouse and they started the drip drip from the tip or had sores all over their genitals and thighs, a generally uneducated person would think, or more likely been told, that said person is possessed by a bad spirit or a demon.

None of this is to say that sentencing people to severe physical deformation or to death for extra-marital affairs is justified. It's not. It's insane and a product of a different time.

However, if we can understand why these practices were a thing historically, we can better explain why it should be left there.

Necronmon posted...

We had to put in the effort to fully colonize Afghanistan and purge any resistance till it was a fitting nation, that was the only way it could properly evolve.

the problem with doing so is you create a new generation of people who dislike those who dished out the heavy handed approach and grow up to seek revenge.

wackyteen posted...

the problem with doing so is you create a new generation of people who dislike those who dished out the heavy handed approach and grow up to seek revenge.

But we're America! We're entitled to your hearts and minds!

the problem with doing so is you create a new generation of people who dislike those who dished out the heavy handed approach and grow up to seek revenge.

I don't know, worked in Japan and Germany well enough.

Necronmon posted...

I don't know, worked in Japan and Germany well enough.

Japan worked because the Emperor played ball with the US and Japanese culture up to that point treated the Emperor as an effective living God, so it wasn't just beating Japan into submission that made it work out.

Germany spent 44 years split in two. <_<

Necronmon posted...

I don't know, worked in Japan and Germany well enough.

Medicare yourself on denazification of Germany. We didnt do any of that in Iran nor Iraq.

LeoRavus posted...

Did our 20 years in Afghanistan accomplish anything good?

It made military contractors and Haliburton a metric shitton of money.

Oh, good for us?

No.

Necronmon posted...

I don't know, worked in Japan and Germany well enough.

Japan was mostly embarrassed at the end of WW2. The younger generation at the time blamed the older imperialists for embarrassing them. Student unions formed to expel that mentality from their schools. The change in Japan came from within. America didn't do shit to facilitate it.

As a side bonus all that weaboo shit with student council presidents having real power & influence has a real historical precedent.

Choco posted...

HOW CAN I MAKE THIS ABOUT AMERICA??

what is wrong with you people

It's about jealousy. The GOP wants theocracy, and Afghanistan has it.

afghanistan was always going to be a bad situation when we left but biden made the right decision. better to rip the bandaid off and start saving billions than staying in an unworkable situation that would have just kicked the can down the road indefinitely

Zikten posted...

I think that if we held the territory for long enough, religion would die out and the place would calm down even after left.

I've never seen such wishful thinking before. That would have never happened.

Kradek posted...

I've never seen such wishful thinking before. That would have never happened.

yeah, definitely not. the extremists in the middle east (and everywhere) are able to recruit heavily based on western militarism and occupation and being able to paint themselves as oppressed by the west. they will still exist obviously, but staying there with our boot on their necks does nothing but help to radicalize more generations of people.

DnDer posted...

Those women are going to die because of Trump and Pompeo.

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Trump is like, "Can I grope them before you stone them?"

Had those 5000 lunatics never been released this probably doesnt happen they had no structure without the leadership Trump is the worst deal maker ever

Trump gifted Afghanistan to the Taliban in order to try and frame Biden for the pullout. People were so sick of war that they didn't care who tossed in the towel so long as it was over. Now, both countries are worse off than before the war began.

But, hey. The rich still remain rich. Richer even. That's all that really matters, right?

Jesus: Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

These clowns: Flogging and stoning women to death is defending human rights (Because we don't view women as human). We represent God!

I am going to bottle my outrage until our Nov election. Then, if Trump loses I will condemn Taliban. Otherwise, why bother.

Umbreon posted...

Jesus: Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

These clowns: Flogging and stoning women to death is defending human rights (Because we don't view women as human). We represent God!

While Muslims recognize Jesus as a prophet, they do not recognize him as the prophet whose teachings they are meant to ardently follow.

streamofthesky posted...

This. Taliban had basically nothing when US left. Afghans had plenty of hardware and vastly outnumbered them, could've easily sent them crawling back to their caves if they actually gave a damn about living in a Western style democracy.
They did literally nothing, so let them have the government they want.

LOL the resident Zionist thinks a society that has no history of dealing with a Western style parliamentary system would suddenly adapt to it just because the USA said to. How is Iraq doing again? Libya?

No the US-backed government could not have "easily destroyed" the Taliban. The Taliban simply sat out in their inaccessible mountainous hideouts, kinda like another infamous war the USA fought in South East Asia. And that's not mentioning the Americans turning a blind eye towards the corruption inside the Afghan government and military.

Hunting down the Taliban is one thing. Keeping them down is the tougher part, there has to be a strategy to address what creates such groups.

LOL the resident Zionist thinks a society that has no history of dealing with a Western style parliamentary system would suddenly adapt to it just because the USA said to. How is Iraq doing again? Libya?

No the US-backed government could not have "easily destroyed" the Taliban. The Taliban simply sat out in their inaccessible mountainous hideouts, kinda like another infamous war the USA fought in South East Asia. And that's not mentioning the Americans turning a blind eye towards the corruption inside the Afghan government and military.

The clear mistakes of both Vietnam and Iraq was A, having more faith on the natives to be able to handle themselves on there own, and not bombing the terrorists hard enough, if they poisoned the entire area where they were hiding in the mountains they would die in time...its clear you can't half ass such things, its either total war till everyone in a hostile area is dead or don't even bother just playing whack a mole does not work, you have to burn them in the holes they hide in to remove the root of the problem.

Part of the problem in a lot of these situations is that the hostiles hide out in other nations...look at how Pakistan hid Bin Ladin for years.

Necronmon posted...

The clear mistakes of both Vietnam and Iraq was A, having more faith on the natives to be able to handle themselves on there own, and not bombing the terrorists hard enough, if they poisoned the entire area where they were hiding in the mountains they would die in time...its clear you can't half ass such things, its either total war till everyone in a hostile area is dead or don't even bother just playing whack a mole does not work, you have to burn them in the holes they hide in to remove the root of the problem.

Part of the problem in a lot of these situations is that the hostiles hide out in other nations...look at how Pakistan hid Bin Ladin for years.

I'm sure poisons only kills the enemy soldiers and nobody else /S. There's a reason why so many US soldiers and Vietnamese are still suffering the effects of Agent Orange long after the war ended.

Or maybe in spite of their domestic troubles, the civilians don't want the Americans in their countries to begin with. And do you know which other military used collective punishment to fight partisans and guerrillas? Hint it was the 40s.

Fenriswolf posted...

Or maybe in spite of their domestic troubles, the civilians don't want the Americans in their countries to begin with. And do you know which other military used collective punishment to fight partisans and guerrillas? Hint it was the 40s.

Americans still so pissy over losing Vietnam and Iraq lmao they go right to suggesting Nazi tactics. Adorable.

Zikten posted...

I think that if we held the territory for long enough, religion would die out and the place would calm down even after left.

Lol no.
Also zikten post.

how in the fuck is killing your own women a fight on western democracy? i know deep down that's not what they truly believe to be fighting, but what the fuck? didn't know western democracy had a monopoly on and/or invented infidelity.

evil shit.

Shocking. I am shocked.