Current Events > Taliban will resume stoning women accused of adultery

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as if the GOP needs more inspiration for limiting women's rights. I guess they need to think of something for federal abortion bans when they gain control of all three branches of government the next time

Allowing these extreme forms of government to be a going concern, is tolerating intolerance.

Zikten posted...

So don't leave

permanently take Afghanistan over? You gotta be coitusing with me.

I still remember some idiots in the politics board cheering that the Taliban defeated the US and the western world.

I suppose those assholes are still happy.

When do Americans want to admit they were fooled into going to war in Afghanistan. They were lied to with false information.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

This. The Taliban are in power in part because of the USA's bungling, to boot.

Uh, the only reason the Taliban werent in power was due to US intervention.

I would have rather offered a billion dollar reward for turning over Osama Bin Laden

No, the Taliban are in power because the Afghans are unable, or unwilling to fend them off.

lamdakastel posted...

If the Afghans dont want Taliban in power, they should try to overthrow Taliban instead of begging other countries to help.
Its not like Taliban has powerful military like Russia or China.

This. Taliban had basically nothing when US left. Afghans had plenty of hardware and vastly outnumbered them, could've easily sent them crawling back to their caves if they actually gave a damn about living in a Western style democracy.
They did literally nothing, so let them have the government they want.

Zikten posted...

We never should have left. I didn't agree with thr decision then and I still don't. We should have just stayed forever. Or at least until religion no longer had a hold over the area

So now you think colonizing is a good thing?

Zikten posted...

We never should have left. I didn't agree with thr decision then and I still don't. We should have just stayed forever. Or at least until religion no longer had a hold over the area

If we hadnt gone into Afghanistan in the first place would you be calling for us to invade now?

What about all the other countries where bad shit like this happens on a daily basis? Should we invade them as well?

mustachedmystic posted...

No, the Taliban are in power because the Afghans are unable, or unwilling to fend them off.

Or the 5000 terrorists Trump released including almost all the leaders including the supreme leader

darkace77450 posted...

Yet the right wing media will blame Biden.

I don't think it'll just be conservatives that blame Biden for the exit. It'll likely help Trump a lot since the exit happened when Biden was president. They'll likely cite Afghanistan and the support Biden is giving Israel as reasons to vote for Trump (even though Trump would do the same exact thing)

Th exit was Trumps plan we had to leave by that date or add 1000's more troops and stay longer

CADE_FOSTER posted...

Or the 5000 terrorists Trump released including almost all the leaders including the supreme leader

Go back further we trained and supplied weapons to the Taliban (under a different name) in the 80s when they were fighting the Russians.

CADE_FOSTER posted...

Th exit was Trumps plan we had to leave by that date or add 1000's more troops and stay longer

I still haven't seen a compelling reason for why Biden couldn't have just ignored Trump's plan. If he cut a deal with the Taliban, Biden just had to declare the Taliban wasn't a legitimate government. Half of what he did on the first day was executive orders to undo a bunch of stuff Trump did.

So no, I don't really buy the excuse that Biden had no choice to do everything exactly as it happened because Trump said we were going to do it when he was still president.

MrKapowski posted...

It takes two to tango, what are the penalties for the men guilty of "adultery"?

That the woman he committed adultery with gets stoned to death.

CADE_FOSTER posted...

Th exit was Trumps plan we had to leave by that date or add 1000's more troops and stay longer

Yeah but Trumpers dont want to hear about that!

Right on queue.

s0nicfan posted...

I still haven't seen a compelling reason for why Biden couldn't have just ignored Trump's plan. If he cut a deal with the Taliban, Biden just had to declare the Taliban wasn't a legitimate government. Half of what he did on the first day was executive orders to undo a bunch of stuff Trump did.

So no, I don't really buy the excuse that Biden had no choice to do everything exactly as it happened because Trump said we were going to do it when he was still president.

Trumps plan was the violence would stop if we left at that date Taliban kept the promises and Biden didnt want to commit more troops the afghan women were thriving sad really

CADE_FOSTER posted...

Trumps plan was the violence would stop if we left at that date Taliban kept the promises and Biden didnt want to commit more troops the afghan women were thriving sad really

Nothing about that forces Biden to do things exactly the way Trump had planned. Nothing about that says Biden had to trust that Taliban the way Trump supposedly did. If the actual reason is simply because Biden thought it would be politically unpopular to commit more troops, than people need to stop saying Biden had his hands tied and he had no choice but to follow Trump's plan.

Yes it does you break promises Taliban dont trust you anymore and the violence and terrorist attack start again risking troops and civilians

s0nicfan posted...

I still haven't seen a compelling reason for why Biden couldn't have just ignored Trump's plan. If he cut a deal with the Taliban, Biden just had to declare the Taliban wasn't a legitimate government. Half of what he did on the first day was executive orders to undo a bunch of stuff Trump did.

So no, I don't really buy the excuse that Biden had no choice to do everything exactly as it happened because Trump said we were going to do it when he was still president.

Remember when Trump pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal, and how it permanently ruined any credibility of the US to enter into a new agreement, since the next guy could just renege on it anyway?
How do you propose we would have made deals w/ the Taliban in the future to get peace, after Biden threw the deal that had made and adhered to into the trash bin?

CADE_FOSTER posted...

Yes it does you break promises Taliban dont trust you anymore and the violence and terrorist attack start again risking troops and civilians

How stupid do you have to be to think that the Taliban gives a shit about a promise the US made?

How stupid do you have to be that they werent attacking the civilian or american troops while the deal was in place think alittle bit

streamofthesky posted...

Remember when Trump pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal, and how it permanently ruined any credibility of the US to enter into a new agreement, since the next guy could just renege on it anyway?
How do you propose we would have made deals w/ the Taliban in the future to get peace, after Biden threw the deal that had made and adhered to into the trash bin?

Is this peace? What deals has the US cut with the Taliban that demonstrates the value of this trust that you're claiming is so important?

cant convince chuds ignore sonicfan

JasonSehorn posted...

cant convince chuds ignore sonicfan

We're sitting here in a topic where the Taliban is once again going to be stoning women to death and the only argument anybody can make is that this is the only possible outcome that could have happened because doing anything else would have threatened us soldiers.

s0nicfan posted...

We're sitting here in a topic where the Taliban is once again going to be stoning women to death and the only argument anybody can make is that this is the only possible outcome that could have happened because doing anything else would have threatened us soldiers.

We were already pulling troops out. This was just the final stage. Reneging on that would have required us to send more forces back because whatever truce we had with the Taliban would have surely been broken.

Im not from the US so I dont really care about your partisan issues you guys have.

Ill refer you back to my posts to Zikten on my larger feelings on the case of saying in Afghanistan in general.

SHRlKE posted...

We were already pulling troops out. This was just the final stage. Reneging on that would have required us to send more forces back because whatever truce we had with the Taliban would have surely been broken.

Im not from the US so I dont really care about your partisan issues you guys have.

Ill refer you back to my posts to Zikten on my larger feelings on the case of saying in Afghanistan in general.

In reference to your larger feelings, I would agree that in some hypothetical world where we could have never invaded that may have been preferable, but there's also a case to be made that after being there for that many years you have a responsibility to make sure you leave things in good order. There is a difference between having been there for over a decade and knowing that when you leave certain things are going to happen to the populace versus seeing things happen to a populace where you aren't currently and having to decide whether to get involved. Put another way, someone watching a guy beat his girlfriend in the same room is in a slightly different position than someone who read a story in the news about some guy beating his girlfriend.

You are correct though, in that we can't, nor do we try to, police every country that does things that we don't think are acceptable. But I'll reiterate, the decision to enter a country versus the decision to leave one in a particular state are two very different decisions.

s0nicfan posted...

In reference to your larger feelings, I would agree that in some hypothetical world where we could have never invaded that may have been preferable, but there's also a case to be made that after being there for that many years you have a responsibility to make sure you leave things in good order. There is a difference between having been there for over a decade and knowing that when you leave certain things are going to happen to the populace versus seeing things happen to a populace where you aren't currently and having to decide whether to get involved. Put another way, someone watching a guy beat his girlfriend in the same room is in a slightly different position than someone who read a story in the news about some guy beating his girlfriend.

You are correct though, in that we can't, nor do we try to, police every country that does things that we don't think are acceptable. But I'll reiterate, the decision to enter a country versus the decision to leave one in a particular state are two very different decisions.

I dont feel weve left it in a worse state than when we went into it. Thats a big point to me.

just a waste of time bothering with them tbh

mistymermaid posted...

Allowing these extreme forms of government to be a going concern, is tolerating intolerance.

Yet people will do mental backflips to suggest stepping in is a bad thing.

SHRlKE posted...

I dont feel weve left it in a worse state than when we went into it. Thats a big point to me.

I mean at a worse state relative to what it had become. I don't think anybody is surprised that the Taliban went right back to running the country like they did when they were previously in power. So in that sense, they did just return to the status quo. By worst state, I mean worse than what had been built up. Unless you're also of the opinion that what the country looked like say a year before the withdrawal was agreed upon was itself worse than before the US had invaded at all.

s0nicfan posted...

I mean at a worse state relative to what it had become. I don't think anybody is surprised that the Taliban went right back to running the country like they did when they were previously in power. So in that sense, they did just return to the status quo. By worst state, I mean worse than what had been built up. Unless you're also of the opinion that what the country looked like say a year before the withdrawal was agreed upon was itself worse than before the US had invaded at all.

Im not saying that at all. I think this just boils down to whether we think we should have a permanent presence in Afghanistan potentially forever more. I think we shouldnt. You have to rip the band aid off at some point. But thats just my opinion. If you have a different one I wont tell you youre wrong.

I have to go out soon. So I just have one more thought.

What sort of road map do you think would have been needed to ensure we left Afghanistan in a good place and it didnt revert back at least somewhat once we left? Do you even that would be possible even over another 20/30 year time span? Thats my last post for a while so Ill happily let you have the final word.

So I am a bit out of loop did Taliban tell truth when they said women could go to college? Once US left it seems I keep seeing stories like OP pop up. Wonder if women in Afghanistan going to college was another one of those that had a fucked up ending. When I last followed it women could go to college they were just separated from men with a curtain in the classes.

edit: I googled it. Damn it did have a fucked up ending.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/20/taliban-says-women-banned-from-universities-in-afghanistan

Taliban says women banned from universities in Afghanistan.

The Taliban has defended its decision, saying such restrictions have been done to preserve national interest and womens honour.

SHRlKE posted...

Im not saying that at all. I think this just boils down to whether we think we should have a permanent presence in Afghanistan potentially forever more. I think we shouldnt. You have to rip the band aid off at some point. But thats just my opinion. If you have a different one I wont tell you youre wrong.

I have to go out soon. So I just have one more thought.

What sort of road map do you think would have been needed to ensure we left Afghanistan in a good place and it didnt revert back at least somewhere once we left? Do you even that would be possible even over another 20/30 year time span?

Just to be clear, I wasn't implying you thought the Taliban ruled the country better. I tried to phrase that question in a way that didn't seem antagonistic, so my apologies if you read it that way. This has actually been a very pleasant discussion.

To your second point involving the roadmap, I think the one key piece that was missing was industry. The US was doing a good job of propping up a government that had been elected by the people and was offering legitimate human rights to women and minorities in the country, but I'm of the opinion that one of the reasons why that government collapsed so hard is because the average person outside of the Capitol was just as poor as they had always been.

I think if the US had maintained a presence, although ideally they would have started this a decade prior, and focused on piggybacking off of all the additional education that the populace was getting to help create some sort of economic engine that wasn't dependent on foreign aid, it's possible the stability would have lasted. We also probably could have done more in the way of building public infrastructure to make it so the villages towns and tribes at the outer edge of the country weren't so extremely disconnected from the capital. If more people had the ability to get into the cities and get out you would have a greater flow of commerce and trade which would cause more money to get out to the people on the outskirts which would make them more invested in the current government.

Tanthalas posted...

Uh, the only reason the Taliban werent in power was due to US intervention.

Yeah, and the worst country in the world bungled it and now the Taliban is still trucking.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Yeah, and the worst country in the world bungled it and now the Taliban is still trucking.

Who else was fucking around in Afghanistan?

Heineken14 posted...

Who else was fucking around in Afghanistan?

Some kind of Union

famfam posted...

as if the GOP needs more inspiration for limiting women's rights. I guess they need to think of something for federal abortion bans when they gain control of all three branches of government the next time

HOW CAN I MAKE THIS ABOUT AMERICA??

what is wrong with you people

Heineken14 posted...

Who else was fucking around in Afghanistan?

Imagine getting this huffy and defensive about calling out the USA. Disgusting shit.

Choco posted...

HOW CAN I MAKE THIS ABOUT AMERICA??

what is wrong with you people

Well, when religious fascists are threatening your own country, you can expect said religious fascists to look to other religious fascists and take notes when it fits their stated end goals

Reminder that the Trump admin shook hands with Taliban leaders after we orchestrated freeing dozens of their terrorists from prison

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Imagine getting this huffy and defensive about calling out the USA. Disgusting shit.

Who is doing that?

NihonOctopus posted...

Remember when people on CE thought Taliban would be fine?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/63df36dd.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3e71b451.jpg

How are people this sheltered? >_>

"They don't care to be actual bad guys."

Real life isn't like the movies. Nobody thinks they're "the bad guy", unless they're crazy. The Taliban thinks everything they're doing is completely justified. They aren't over there twirling mustaches.

Hornswoggled posted...

"They don't care to be actual bad guys."

Real life isn't like the movies. Nobody thinks they're "the bad guy", unless they're crazy. The Taliban thinks everything they're doing is completely justified. They aren't over there twirling mustaches.

Not even that they're just completely justified. Nazis thought they had justifiable reasons.

They feel they have a mandate from Allah to do what they're doing.

I've always had this question, what do they do with the men who are also caught in the adultery as well?

Prestoff posted...

I've always had this question, what do they do with the men who are also caught in the adultery as well?

They didn't do it obviously. It's unclear how women commit adultery with nobody but rules are rules.

Prestoff posted...

I've always had this question, what do they do with the men who are also caught in the adultery as well?

I'm betting dey only punish women

It sucks what became of them but they just werent having our opinion and values sadly.

So you either win some or you lose some and in this case it was the latter. Nothing to do now but eat the loss and move on.