Board 8 > Final Fantasy VII Rebirth Review Zone 3 (mark spoilers)

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My only thought is that they didn't want people constantly reskilling their fire ATB attacks into ice or whatever on the open world to deal with whatever enemies they're running into.

If your game doesn't have a cost to reskill then you kinda have to add a restriction.

But also who cares, just let people do that if they want.

You weren't able to invert them before a patch.

If you mean the question of why would you though, an extremely vast majority of people invert their vertical controls for flying in games, it's just the way flight is meant to be. Most games even default to inversed flight controls even if your regular controls aren't.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

You weren't able to invert them before a patch.

If you mean the question of why would you though, an extremely vast majority of people invert their vertical controls for flying in games, it's just the way flight is meant to be. Most games even default to inversed flight controls even if your regular controls aren't.

I completely understand that which is why I'm confused. It's not a flying game? It's a falling slowly game, and you can sometimes dive and pull back up Mario Cape style but it's generally super simplistic and doesn't even require much input.

If it's in the air it should be inverted.

It doesn't matter what kind of game it is.

It's part of why it felt so terrible when I was playing it.

Even if you're just gliding down, if you're trying to stay up you should be able to hold down. It's just...the way it is!

I wouldn't care if it's inverted or not, that aspect means nothing to me. It's the fact you can't move the camera around is what makes the game trash.

I like uninverted controls for flying but for gliding I do actually like inverted. Curious to see if when I get there.

Zigzagoon posted...

I wouldn't care if it's inverted or not, that aspect means nothing to me. It's the fact you can't move the camera around is what makes the game trash.

Both were problems for me. In fact I think the camera was the bigger issue yeah, there's no reason not to allow full control over it.

I just got the gold medals on all the glide de chocobo races. One was easy, two was not too bad but God damn the ending stretch of the third course demands literal perfection to get them all. That was really annoying

Just saw Red climbing a rope. Kill me now

Just got to Cosmo canyon and having trouble maintaining 60fps? Has anyone else had issues

Just got there 2 mins ago and it seems ok.

I assume nothing in chapter 9 was in the original. But it was pretty awesome.

Man I just spent like 45 minutes getting the star on two legs? Nothin to it. Shit was so much harder than the others

It looks like there's one song left after it idk if I'll even be able to get the star at that point

_stingers_ posted...

I just got the gold medals on all the glide de chocobo races. One was easy, two was not too bad but God damn the ending stretch of the third course demands literal perfection to get them all. That was really annoying

On the third one, I beat it by going through I think four targets after the last uddraft then turning around and going back to get up again. That was much easier that continuing straight where I felt I was doing perfect runs and still couldn't get the upper of the last two 500s.

_stingers_ posted...

Man I just spent like 45 minutes getting the star on two legs? Nothin to it. Shit was so much harder than the others

Yeah that was the one I referred to in post #17. Leap in difficulty seemed insane.

_stingers_ posted...

Man I just spent like 45 minutes getting the star on two legs? Nothin to it. Shit was so much harder than the others

practicing this and getting A rank was so fun

Okay I aced the next one right away. Two Legs might just be the hardest.

Yeah aced it twice in a row. One for practice because I feared same difficulty and then again for the performance for that cat side quest.

Oh let the battles begin, yeah alright. I take it back, this one is difficult as well.

colliding posted...

practicing this and getting A rank was so fun

I have really been enjoying the piano minigame. Even when it jumped in difficulty for this song it was still fun.

And I liked glide de chocobo as well except for the ending of the third map. That was just unnecessarily punishing. It being at the end makes it so much worse too

ctesjbuvf posted...

On the third one, I beat it by going through I think four targets after the last uddraft then turning around and going back to get up again. That was much easier that continuing straight where I felt I was doing perfect runs and still couldn't get the upper of the last two 500s.

Yeah I did this too after looking it up on YouTube. You still have to come down with a perfect angle on the first 300 to get the last 300, but if you went too high you'd miss the last one so there was this weird middle ground you had to find with no real cue to help you. My problem was that I'd be shooting too high and just missing the last ring, or I would be aware of that and overcorrect and then only finish in the middle of the last 300 which didn't let you finish high enough for the ending. Just a huge pain in the ass

Well shooting too high is better because you can dive again.

I enjoyed it enough to not find it too bad.

Piano is loads of fun I've been considered what rhythm game to play once I'm finished with this lol.

If you haven't played Theatrhythm Final Bar Line yet, all the DLC is out now and it's fantastic imo.

Chapter 12 - the song at the Gold Saucer was terrible. Can't believe they thought this was a good idea.

Just tried the first chocobo glide and it's such an inoffensive minigame. I would like inverted controls but I don't mind without it. I just wish it was 2x as fast (applies to most minigames tbh).

MacArrowny posted...

Chapter 12 - the song at the Gold Saucer was terrible. Can't believe they thought this was a good idea.

I liked it a lot

MacArrowny posted...

If you haven't played Theatrhythm Final Bar Line yet, all the DLC is out now and it's fantastic imo.

It was my first thought too

I just got to Gears and Gambits and it's way too much for me to deal with right now, ugh. Idk if it's just the tutorial but it seems unnecessarily complex for a dumb mini game.

Just use Chadley's presets for the normal mode ones. There's one that lets you spam cheap bots and it wrecked every fight on normal.

gears and gambits seemed really hard until I realized I was reading the weakness icons wrong.

but yeah it kind of sucks, just like ff12

I struggled on hard mode until I looked up builds online and realized the best strategy is to basically avoid 90% of the options they give you (which is stupid).

Gears and Gambits was really easy until I hit the last one and lost for the first time. Then I just randomly won on my next attempt and I still have no idea why the boss' health just melted away.

Also, watching Wedge splat on the ground was a lot oof. Why they gotta do him like that

Wow the cheap robots are op lmao. Got a loadout that had one that cost 5 atb and just spammed the shit out of them and dominated the final match lol.

Making my way though Chapter 9 story stuff.

What is even happening here.

Cloud became a good character

Damn, Cait Sith is awesome in combat

Try getting his Limit Break level up to see his tier 2 and tier 3 limits. Worth it I promise!

I don't get him or yuffie tbh, haven't used them much

Gizmos and gadgets just feels like worse fort condor

Also I haven't played ff7 in 15 years or so and I don't remember any of this Gi subplot, is this new or was this in the original? In the cave they mentioned coming from another planet so I'm guessing they're related to Jenova?

I f***ing did it. Top rank in last piano song, what a ride that was. Very satisfying.

_stingers_ posted...

Also I haven't played ff7 in 15 years or so and I don't remember any of this Gi subplot, is this new or was this in the original? In the cave they mentioned coming from another planet so I'm guessing they're related to Jenova?

this is new and a good addition imo

yuffie is op, pls nerf

Gi in original plot was just, "They attacked, your dad fought them off and was Medusa'd in the process. Also they stick around undead now for no reason."

_stingers_ posted...

Also I haven't played ff7 in 15 years or so and I don't remember any of this Gi subplot, is this new or was this in the original? In the cave they mentioned coming from another planet so I'm guessing they're related to Jenova?

I was wondering the same. I also agree that it's a very good addition though.

In other news... What the fuck do I do about Zantetsuken against Odin???

Waluigi1 posted...

In other news... What the fuck do I do about Zantetsuken against Odin???

Deal consistent damage without taking damage in return.

The tooltip says hitting him with ATB abilities consistently but from what I understand people have figured out that it's more just consistent damage while avoiding or perfect blocking his attacks.

Alternatively wear revival earrings and hope you can kill him before he uses it more than once.

Like are you saying you can interrupt him when he's preparing it? Because I tried that to no avail. Like, I guess it's a good thing he's doing it immediately and saving me wasted time but still, it seems ridiculous. The worst part about it, is he attacks immediately after he does it before I can even dodge out the way or anything. Frustrating.

No. He will only start casting Zantetsuken if you're bad and get hit a lot by his other abilities. If you're good at avoiding his attacks, he will never cast it.

Yuffie is insane, but if you haven't played intermission then you don't get too much advice to understand how to play her. She was my main though - I love how easy it is to fight at range with Ninjutsu while being able to jump in to melee whenever I want and dish out some decent damage with (Supreme) Art of War, Banishment is a strong and safe nuke, Doppleganger free DPS and Windstorm provides instant AoE and means I never need Wind unless for boss fights. I love her design so much - great balance between range, manoeuverability, and melee.

And for Odin just keep dishing out damage while trying not to get hit. I found Tifa was great against him because Omnistrike doesn't trigger Reprisal so she can just spam Unbridled Strength > Omnistrike with ATB charge equipment (Speed Demon Keychain, ATB charge rate up weapon skills) on and blast him till he pressures himself with Sleipnir's Furor (allies doing buffing/healing for her). I've seen speculation that it's the number of hits that matters, and if that's true Barret should be very effective since he spams attacks with Overcharge and Maximum Fury. But honestly once you realise that playing aggro works to keep his Zantetsuken counter down that helps a lot.

Edit: I think if you just try to totally ignore Odin he will cast Zantetsuken even if he doesn't hit you, at least that's what it seemed like when I tested it. The exception to this is Cloud staying in Punisher form with block/parry up because Cloud automatically counter-attacks after each parry which is enough to stop the counter rising.

You can prevent him from doing it entirely by just not taking damage while consistently damaging him. Basically you just have to play as perfectly as you can and he'll never queue it up. Once he uses Gjallarhorn's Warning that's your notification that Zantetsuken is queued up and you need to stagger him at that point to stop it.

Status effects and debuffs can help prevent him from queueing it up as well from what I understand.

I've seen some back and forth on whether or not him damaging your AI controlled allies counts or not, so that could potentially be an issue.

_stingers_ posted...

Also I haven't played ff7 in 15 years or so and I don't remember any of this Gi subplot, is this new or was this in the original? In the cave they mentioned coming from another planet so I'm guessing they're related to Jenova?

Entirely new, in the original game they're just regular ghosts, you beat Gi Nattak, see Seto and that's it. I dont recall the original game mentioning black materia's origin either but the original game never addressed materia origin outside of naturally occurring from the planet or for huge materia, the reactor process. I guess the implication in Rebirth is the Gi tribe are aliens? But yeah, I also liked it as a good addition.