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Harpie
03/20/24 12:20:30 AM
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I genuinely cant tell

My mom died of an overdose and my dad died from liver complications due to his excessive drinking so I could just be paranoid for no reason.. but I need an outside opinion

When I smoke weed, I do it everyday. It eventually became a problem because I started getting high in the mornings too and I wasnt able to focus on my college work. I really struggled with self control to do it only on weekends, or even only at nighttime at least.
I tried to quit cold turkey, but Id end up buying disposable vape pens, smoking it constantly and then eventually throwing it in the dumpster to try and stop myself. Then a few days later Id pay another $40 for a vape and do it all again. Rinse and repeat I did this for a year

Its been about 2 months now since I picked it up, which is a long stint for me, but I really crave the head buzz. So I tried a vodka seltzer type drink for the first time 3 weeks ago (Ive abstained from alcohol because of family abuse history) and I really liked it. A lot. I finished a small Titos bottle in two nights, and Im about to finish the standard size one in two nights too.

I really crave the head buzz, and I like the feeling it gives me. I think about it a lot, and it takes a concerning level of self control to wait til nighttime. Today I started drinking at 6pm ish and Im 5 shots in.. which Im not sure if its a lot?

Anyways if anyone else has the same type of thoughts Id like some advice and opinions. I dont really have anyone else to go to

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Garioshi
03/20/24 12:22:31 AM
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Make sure you have someone else to hold you accountable

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ssb_yunglink2
03/20/24 12:23:46 AM
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Im not gonna say this behavior is healthy but i went to school with a lot of people who did similar things. The 5 shots in on a tuesday night is definitely a bit concerning tho

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MabusIncarnate
03/20/24 12:24:17 AM
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It's really, really easy to start relying on alcohol to feel better from the day before, sleep better, and just take the edge off. I think you know my history of it, if you started with finishing a pint in 2 days, to now a 5th in 2 days, you are getting pretty close to a problem and i'd do what I can to cut back. Don't just drop it entirely, get some seltzers, lower ABV stuff and ween yourself down, but if you are on vodka now it's not a good spot.

I was drinking a 5th of tequila a day for years, I wound up having a seizure after trying to quit cold turkey because I threw my body into shock, spent 3 days in the hospital, experienced symptoms of delirium and had trouble telling reality from my delusions. I was shaking uncontrollably and could barely walk for about 5 days. You don't want to get at this point, and I think weed is tremendously safer, and easier to drop without the nasty life-threatening symptoms when you try to quit.

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SomeLikeItHoth
03/20/24 12:26:53 AM
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I think you already know the answer.

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Guide
03/20/24 12:28:59 AM
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That "if you have to ask" topic comes to mind, but it seems tc really can't see it, so.

TC, you absolutely have a problem, and very obvious genetic leaning towards addiction. You aren't the kind of person who can do things in moderation, and I can recognize this, because neither am I. The difference is I saw my parents and relatives be stupid about it, and decided I was just not going to fuck with substances.

You can do like your parents or you can stay sober sober. Maybe consider some sort of medication to blunt your cravings. Also, talk to a therapist.

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Spiderman23J
03/20/24 12:29:59 AM
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Just dont ever do coke and keep the drinking under control and youll be fine. Weed is nothing

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Dark_Arbron
03/20/24 12:30:56 AM
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Go to a community-based substance abuse program. They're (almost always) free, and there's no ongoing obligation. Not all of them are live-in rehab; they're not going to diagnose you and then lock you on a farm for 3 months or whatever bullshit Dr Phil pushes. Hell I drink a bottle of vodka every night and I still go to these things because I almost always take something away from them. Hearing other people's stories can be very enlightening.

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Kaiganeer
03/20/24 12:34:27 AM
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you're clearly addicted to the feeling you get out of drinking/smoking, but you also seem very aware of that, so what's left is determining whether or not the habit is preventing you from living the kind of life you want to live

being an alcoholic doesn't automatically mean you've ruined your life, but holding on to self-control will probably only get harder and harder as time goes on
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Dark_Arbron
03/20/24 12:42:57 AM
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Kaiganeer posted...
you're clearly addicted to the feeling you get out of drinking/smoking, but you also seem very aware of that, so what's left is determining whether or not the habit is preventing you from living the kind of life you want to live

being an alcoholic doesn't automatically mean you've ruined your life, but holding on to self-control will probably only get harder and harder as time goes on

"The cost of staying the same has to outweigh the cost of change before a person will feel the need to take action."

In my case it has yet to, but TC still has time to preempt it and not become like me (36 and a lost cause).

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Harpie
03/20/24 12:53:25 AM
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Garioshi posted...
Make sure you have someone else to hold you accountable
I need to learn to rely on myself, as I live alone and am thousands of miles from my nearest buddy, my sister. She doesnt know Ive started drinking though I guess

ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Im not gonna say this behavior is healthy but i went to school with a lot of people who did similar things. The 5 shots in on a tuesday night is definitely a bit concerning tho
See thats what had me doubting myself, and thinking that I might be blowing things up to be more serious than it actually is.
Well, it takes 3 shots for me to feel anything and the goal is for me to be mentally incapacitated lol

MabusIncarnate posted...
It's really, really easy to start relying on alcohol to feel better from the day before, sleep better, and just take the edge off. I think you know my history of it, if you started with finishing a pint in 2 days, to now a 5th in 2 days, you are getting pretty close to a problem and i'd do what I can to cut back. Don't just drop it entirely, get some seltzers, lower ABV stuff and ween yourself down, but if you are on vodka now it's not a good spot.

I was drinking a 5th of tequila a day for years, I wound up having a seizure after trying to quit cold turkey because I threw my body into shock, spent 3 days in the hospital, experienced symptoms of delirium and had trouble telling reality from my delusions. I was shaking uncontrollably and could barely walk for about 5 days. You don't want to get at this point, and I think weed is tremendously safer, and easier to drop without the nasty life-threatening symptoms when you try to quit.
Thank you, Mabus. Its very similar reasons for me too. Mostly it seems to be that I hate sitting alone with my thoughts. I think too much about the past, things I couldve done differently, feeling alone, etc.. The head buzz is nice because it completely removes all of those things.
How did you replace the feeling of getting drunk? Or learn to live without it?

SomeLikeItHoth posted...
I think you already know the answer.
Kind of, but Im always self doubting that I am convincing myself I have a problem when Im actually just fine

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Harpie
03/20/24 1:02:55 AM
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Guide posted...
That "if you have to ask" topic comes to mind, but it seems tc really can't see it, so.

TC, you absolutely have a problem, and very obvious genetic leaning towards addiction. You aren't the kind of person who can do things in moderation, and I can recognize this, because neither am I. The difference is I saw my parents and relatives be stupid about it, and decided I was just not going to fuck with substances.

You can do like your parents or you can stay sober sober. Maybe consider some sort of medication to blunt your cravings. Also, talk to a therapist.
Sober sober is likely the solution. With therapy. Because it comes from me hating to sit with my own thoughts.
I appreciate you spelling it out for me, I needed to hear it from someone else.

Have you not ever tried substances, ever?

Spiderman23J posted...
Just dont ever do coke and keep the drinking under control and youll be fine. Weed is nothing
Lmfao no plans to do coke. Thats how my mom died, actually. Coke was her drug of choice, she didnt mess with anything else. Until someone laced her stash with fentanyl I guess

Dark_Arbron posted...
Go to a community-based substance abuse program. They're (almost always) free, and there's no ongoing obligation. Not all of them are live-in rehab; they're not going to diagnose you and then lock you on a farm for 3 months or whatever bullshit Dr Phil pushes. Hell I drink a bottle of vodka every night and I still go to these things because I almost always take something away from them. Hearing other people's stories can be very enlightening.
Is what I do bad enough to even warrant going to those types of sessions though? Ive known people much, much worse off than I.

Kaiganeer posted...
you're clearly addicted to the feeling you get out of drinking/smoking, but you also seem very aware of that, so what's left is determining whether or not the habit is preventing you from living the kind of life you want to live

being an alcoholic doesn't automatically mean you've ruined your life, but holding on to self-control will probably only get harder and harder as time goes on
I definitely dont want to be like my parents were. I think about it a lot, honestly. They were terrible miserable people who self sabotaged their lives up until the very end.

I feel so fuckin dumb for even putting myself in 1% of their situation >.>

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Harpie
03/20/24 1:03:37 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
"The cost of staying the same has to outweigh the cost of change before a person will feel the need to take action."

In my case it has yet to, but TC still has time to preempt it and not become like me (36 and a lost cause).
Why do you consider yourself a lost cause?

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Ratchetrockon
03/20/24 1:19:03 AM
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I relied on alcohol to reduce my anxiety for about 3 years. Drank it almost everyday in that time.. gained about 25 pounds weight and my face was bloated up all the time. I'm a super lightweight so it only took like 3 beers (around like 8%-10% alcohol) to get me buzzed and 6 beers to get me super duper drunk. An extra two after that and I'm throwing up. I had a bunch of those nights. I switched over to sipping on cheap vodka on my final year.

I quit on May 11, 2022 and this lasted until the night of March 4, 2024. Felt the need to drink again for one night because my anxiety was through the roof .

I havent had a sip since then tho. Got tempted a few days later but I just laid down in a dark room and read an ebook (was reading Child of God). Helped calm me down. I know this method probably won't be reliable for everyone. Just what helped me recently.

My main motivation to quit initially was the weight loss tbh. I wanted to look like my younger self again. I did lose that weight. I'm actually currently underweight now I'm pretty sure.

Anyway yeah it sounds like the start of a drinking problem to me. My family also has a history of alcoholism. Quite a few of them died when covid came around initially. I guess catching that wasn't good for their already weakened bodies.

Oh and I remember @guide responding to some of my drunk posts from a few years ago. I think he did help me out I have him tagged as a helpful person with a cute dog.

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Dark_Arbron
03/20/24 1:28:09 AM
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Harpie posted...
Why do you consider yourself a lost cause?

Im literally impossible to employ and have no skills to offer either personally or professionally. Im literally just passing my days drinking and playing video games until my liver gives out. Ill be forgotten within a week too so its not even like Im throwing anything away.

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wanderingshade
03/20/24 1:31:06 AM
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If you're chasing a buzz, you're addicted to drugs.

And usually chasing a buzz is running away from something else. Fear of failure, anxiety, some chronic stress or condition.

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Dark_Arbron
03/20/24 1:32:24 AM
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wanderingshade posted...
If you're chasing a buzz, you're addicted to drugs.

And usually chasing a buzz is running away from something else. Fear of failure, anxiety, some chronic stress or condition.

I just find it more interesting being drunk. Its not like I sit there staring at a wall while drinking either. I have to be doing something that would also be fun even when sober.


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chaos_knight
03/20/24 1:34:23 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
I just find it more interesting being drunk. Its not like I sit there staring at a wall while drinking either. I have to be doing something that would also be fun even when sober.

I'm the same. Though I multitask. Have a podcast on while playing a game and drinking wine. But that said, you seem like a good person and you shouldn't feel so down.

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viewmaster_pi
03/20/24 1:41:28 AM
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not to be harsh, but alcohol is going to fucking destroy you if you keep spiraling. it seems like you kept moving on to worse things than weed to replace it...

and i hate to be that guy, but people say "weed isn't addictive bro," but i mean look at this situation. look at what it started with. i get it, life is stressful, weed takes the edge off, but people really lose all self control with these things.

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JimmyFraska
03/20/24 1:44:00 AM
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I was a daily smoker for over a decade, since high school, (started before then even), up until this past year. I quit that in May last year, but then started using alchohol to fill the void. It wasn't until this month I was able to drop alchohol. Not for ay real reason other than I had to save money, so I just stopped buying it.
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Mew
03/20/24 1:51:19 AM
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
I think you already know the answer.


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viewmaster_pi
03/20/24 1:57:35 AM
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Harpie posted...
Is what I do bad enough to even warrant going to those types of sessions though?
not yet, maybe. the question is whether or not you can realize what a dangerous chute you're going to fall down if you don't make a change now. groups like that can help you make those changes and protect yourself.

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HOON
03/20/24 2:07:06 AM
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Drinking like that will kill your liver.
Weed wont hurt you, though I suggest using edibles because smoke is bad for your lungs regardless of its source.

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Crimsoness
03/20/24 2:19:44 AM
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You alright Harpie? I think we're in a discord together if you ever wanna talk

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Guide
03/20/24 2:21:14 AM
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Harpie posted...


Have you not ever tried substances, ever?

I used to limit myself to three beers a month, but then I got on ADHD meds, so I had to stop. I have also been accidentally drugged by pot rice crispies lmao. I'm glad I didn't like the sensation; everything, including my limbs and senses, felt like they had too much momentum. Like you're playing an FPS, and the camera keeps moving after the mouse stops.

Ratchetrockon posted...


Oh and I remember @guide responding to some of my drunk posts from a few years ago. I think he did help me out I have him tagged as a helpful person with a cute dog.

I don't take compliments well, but I appreciate this a lot.

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kage_53
03/20/24 2:23:59 AM
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The short answer is: Yeah, you need help!
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Gobstoppers12
03/20/24 2:26:06 AM
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You are definitely teetering on the edge of a serious drinking problem, and the people of CE aren't exactly qualified to see you through it.

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Guide
03/20/24 2:30:28 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Go to a community-based substance abuse program. They're (almost always) free, and there's no ongoing obligation. Not all of them are live-in rehab; they're not going to diagnose you and then lock you on a farm for 3 months or whatever bullshit Dr Phil pushes. Hell I drink a bottle of vodka every night and I still go to these things because I almost always take something away from them. Hearing other people's stories can be very enlightening.

This is good advice. On the off chance you do get in some kind of ward situation, make sure to sign the form that says it is voluntary, as you retain more rights that way. It is unlikely that this will be necessary, but just in case.

Dark_Arbron posted...
Im literally impossible to employ and have no skills to offer either personally or professionally. Im literally just passing my days drinking and playing video games until my liver gives out. Ill be forgotten within a week too so its not even like Im throwing anything away.

Man, I wish I had the money to hire you. Digital assistants are strong assets, and your competence is wasted. But I know harping on it too much is no good.

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BloodMoon7
03/20/24 2:38:12 AM
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Wish I could get hired by CE

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ledzep3__v9
03/20/24 3:39:34 AM
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wanderingshade posted...
If you're chasing a buzz, you're addicted to drugs.

And usually chasing a buzz is running away from something else. Fear of failure, anxiety, some chronic stress or condition.

This was me, and it sounds like you need to be very careful TC.
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NeonOPPAl
03/20/24 4:17:24 AM
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wanderingshade posted...
If you're chasing a buzz, you're addicted to drugs.

And usually chasing a buzz is running away from something else. Fear of failure, anxiety, some chronic stress or condition.
This

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Rotterdammerung
03/20/24 4:19:28 AM
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to be honest, it sounds like even if you dont have a substance abuse problem, youre well on the trajectory to developing one.

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Trumble
03/20/24 4:44:11 AM
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I'm similar, have been for years, and the red line for me is - is this interfering with my ability to work, eat properly, remain mentally stable, and not be a huge nuisance to people? Alcohol failed that test so I'm very careful to avoid drinking as more than an occasional thing, but so far weed has passed it for over 5 years now of daily use, and regularly but not quite daily use for about 8 years before that.

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Rei_B
03/20/24 4:44:39 AM
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I don't see any other problem other than you beating yourself up over it, TC. If you don't want to inebriate yourself, then don't do it. Jog, join a gym, start a healthy hobby that will take up more time than just thinking. The first step to recovery is outside your door.

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Alteres
03/20/24 6:32:31 AM
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I've posted about this at more length before, and I think we spoke lightly a couple times about the stress of course work over the last few years at around 3am.

The alcohol is a serious trap, especially straight vodka in those amounts as a daily/near occurrence.

I started drinking like that for the exact same reasons my first go around at college, and over about half a decade it got out of control hard. It's especially bad if you have a decent in built physical tolerance, five shots is a lot for most people, and the symptoms of physical addiction can sneak up on you when it takes so much to even feel an effect.

I went through the same thing with THC recently as well, down to the disposables (delta here), and I have gone back to using them now.

They are a far, far better option than the alternative.

...and sure as hell beats sitting around sober all the time.

As far as dealing with that sensation goes, I always conceptualized it as needing input to stay sane, even if it was self-generated. I carried around a paperback novel for most of my life, and that always greatly helped. Even something as silly as a game world circulating in my head could help relieve some of that feeling. Nowadays I have an Adderall prescription that I find helps to get through the day while staying focused and productive... and that feeling of all that time isn't there. Your feelings on uppers might be a bit different.

I would say your levels of drinking are a problem, especially in your situation... for reference I ended up getting both my hips and one shoulder replaced due to complications from the drinking, my ex who was about ~130 lbs ended up with pancreatitis and other complications as well (she needed about six shots when we started drinking together), it can go bad quick.

AA or NA (I would say NA is typically more open and welcoming, though people I have talked to said a lot of people in the OR/WA rooms smoke weed still, so your cross-addiction feelings might matter there if you want to stop everything completely) are good community options and can really help connect with more people who can give you some lived experiences.

Same as a couple others said, if you want to ask more just do it or send a PM if you don't want to publicly for some reason. I generally don't get into serious matters on here, but this one hits, close to home.

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