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Humble_Novice
03/08/24 1:14:25 PM
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Ilhan Omar of all people gets a B ranking?

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ButteryMales
03/08/24 1:26:21 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
usually in a way that is, inaccurate, closed-minded, prejudicial, or unfair.
Usually doesn't mean always.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bias

a: an inclination of temperament or outlook
especially which also doesn't mean always : a personal and sometimes unreasoned judgment : PREJUDICE
b
: an instance of such prejudice
c
: BENT, TENDENCY
d
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: deviation of the expected value of a statistical estimate from the quantity it estimates
(2)
: systematic error introduced into sampling or testing by selecting or encouraging one outcome or answer over others

Tendency and Inclination are synonyms with Bias. Bias was the wording bigblu used and from all they have said inclination is what I think they meant over prejudice.

NoxObscuras posted...
bias is a disproportionate weight in favor of or against an idea or thing
This is just rephrasing what I said about pizza and fast food.

Edit: Naysaspace first brought it up that the website wasn't unbiased.
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BadKarma_JT
03/08/24 1:27:03 PM
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Irony posted...
Yes, every Republican

Nah unfortunately Repubs want to continue giving 40billion to Israel.

Need to the Asian countries approach.

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CountCorvinus
03/08/24 1:31:24 PM
#55:


Humble_Novice posted...
Ilhan Omar of all people gets a B ranking?

Yup. I'd say it's a very high B. She's been great.

NoxObscuras posted...
And that websites makes statements that are very inaccurate

What statements?

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Ninjaluver
03/08/24 1:33:57 PM
#56:


What exactly warrants a grade and what does each grade mean? What is the purpose of this site?
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Ninjaluver
03/08/24 1:36:51 PM
#57:


CountCorvinus posted...
Being anti-genocide is negative to you?

I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people are "anti-genocide". However, what you choose label a genocide (such as the current Israel-Palestine conflict) could indicate a bias. The current situation has not, by international law's definition, been labeled a genocide.
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CountCorvinus
03/08/24 1:39:50 PM
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Ninjaluver posted...
What exactly warrants a grade and what does each grade mean? What is the purpose of this site?

There's a section that explains their methodology and scoring.

https://www.uscpraction.org/methodology

Calculation
Grades are a combination of all legislative action. Each vote, letter, and other legislative action is weighed according to USCPR Actions desired position and outcome.

For votes, a yes vote and a no vote hold the same weight, with a present or no vote counting as half of a yes or no vote. Certain circumstances where a Member provides an explanation for a present vote or absent vote that aligns with USCPR Actions position may also be factored into final considerations.

While signing onto congressional letters are subjected to certain internal factors, USCPR Action believes it is important to include because of their impact on legislative processes and oversight authority. We recognize that some Members of Congress who most align with USCPR Actions priorities may not sign onto a letter but fail to sign onto a letter. As a result, all legislative actions toward letters are the smallest weighted component of the overall grades. Certain letters will be subjected to greater scrutiny or support depending on the subject matter or external entity that is seeking to advance it.

It is important to note that letters and legislation are often developed by special interests groups and pushed by foreign governments, when their interests are directly implicated, especially toward recent legislative actions following October 2023.

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CountCorvinus
03/08/24 1:40:44 PM
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Ninjaluver posted...
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people are "anti-genocide". However, what you choose label a genocide (such as the current Israel-Palestine conflict) could indicate a bias. The current situation has not, by international law's definition, been labeled a genocide.

It's a genocide.

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BearlyWilling
03/08/24 1:42:07 PM
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Buttery is really out here trying to argue that a benign fast food preference is a valid example of bias

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Ninjaluver
03/08/24 1:42:49 PM
#61:


CountCorvinus posted...
There's a section that explains their methodology and scoring.

https://www.uscpraction.org/methodology

Ah, yes. Surely, an organization called the US Campaign for Palestinian Rights Action could not be biased. Of course not.

I'm sure the Donald Trump Save America Political Action Committee is also not biased.
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Ninjaluver
03/08/24 1:44:15 PM
#62:


CountCorvinus posted...
It's a genocide.

That's wild that you were so quickly able to determine something that the International Court of Justice (which is known for being very anti-Israel by the way) wasn't able to determine despite their months of time and thousands of pages of documents.
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CobraGT
03/08/24 1:47:35 PM
#63:


Congressman -- C

Senator -- D, F

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ButteryMales
03/08/24 1:48:54 PM
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Ninjaluver posted...
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people are "anti-genocide". However, what you choose label a genocide (such as the current Israel-Palestine conflict) could indicate a bias. The current situation has not, by international law's definition, been labeled a genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention

Article 2 of the Convention defines genocide as:

... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2

(a) Happened
(b) Happened
(c) Happened
(d) could argue either or.
(e) A large part of the population is children. They want their neighboring countries to take Palestinians.

BearlyWilling posted...
Buttery is really out here trying to argue that a benign fast food preference is a valid example of bias
Is tendency a synonym for bias?
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Shadow_Don
03/08/24 1:51:25 PM
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I like how a ton of people who support aid and a ceasefire have an F and that its only democrats

Meanwhile multiple Republicans have openly said Israel should completely wipe out gaza

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Ninjaluver
03/08/24 1:52:34 PM
#66:


ButteryMales posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention

Article 2 of the Convention defines genocide as:

... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2

(a) Happened
(b) Happened
(c) Happened
(d) could argue either or.
(e) A large part of the population is children. They want their neighboring countries to take Palestinians.

Is tendency a synonym for bias?

You've left out the most important part under international law: the intent/motiviation behind the killings. That is what separates "genocide" from other types of killing in war. If someone drops a nuclear bomb tomorrow on a country that completely wipes out a certain group, we still wouldn't know whether it was genocide without knowing the intent.
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Shadow_Don
03/08/24 1:55:19 PM
#67:


Humble_Novice posted...
Ilhan Omar of all people gets a B ranking?

The entire project is fucking dogshit lmfao

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Itachi157
03/08/24 1:58:14 PM
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Is Israel causing excessive civilian casualties in their campaign against Hamas? Maybe, it seems like it based on what Ive seen, but I cant say for certain without closely examining the war situation. Is this irresponsible and maybe evil depending on your point of view? For many people Im sure it is.

However, its not a genocide. Its just not the right word to use. Just like how random school shootings arent necessarily terrorism. Words have meaning and nuance.
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CountCorvinus
03/08/24 2:00:21 PM
#69:


Itachi157 posted...
Is Israel causing excessive civilian casualties in their campaign against Hamas? Maybe, it seems like it based on what Ive seen, but I cant say for certain

The answer is Yes, not fucking "maybe".

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TMOG
03/08/24 2:02:25 PM
#70:


Naysaspace posted...
too many F grades for that to be unbiased. The median and average is an F. Just shows that the site has an agenda.

bigblu89 posted...
The first line of the site is

How can you NOT look at that site and know theres a bias
To be fair, "Does this person support genocide?" tends to be pass/fail
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Itachi157
03/08/24 2:03:29 PM
#71:


CountCorvinus posted...
The answer is Yes, not fucking "maybe".

A lot of the reports on civilian casualties come from straight from Hamas, who shouldnt exactly be a trustworthy source. I did say it appears that they are. However I dont think anyone here or commenting on this on the Internet are actually closely examining their military operations with full knowledge of all civilian casualties, etc.

However no matter what its not a genocide.
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ButteryMales
03/08/24 2:08:55 PM
#72:


Ninjaluver posted...
You've left out the most important part under international law: the intent/motiviation behind the killings. That is what separates "genocide" from other types of killing in war. If someone drops a nuclear bomb tomorrow on a country that completely wipes out a certain group, we still wouldn't know whether it was genocide without knowing the intent.
There's plenty of evidence that the intent is genocide.

No one took the "I'm just doing my job" as an legitimate excuse in Nuremburg trials. Israel has to kill and starve Palestinian to get rid of Hamas is just wrong. I will not take that.

Israel representatives have lied non-stop and has murdered U.S. citizens. There's no credibility to take their word on anything.
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andel
03/08/24 2:10:44 PM
#73:


p sure tc has shilled for the russians who have been waging a genocidal war in ukraine

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Sonixs
03/08/24 2:11:18 PM
#74:


How do I see the Republican scorecards?

Or is this a stealth "Vote republican because the Democrats support genocide" website?
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Marmitecashews
03/08/24 2:14:19 PM
#75:


CountCorvinus posted...
Yeah, just the Democratic party members and those that caucus with them.
You don't find that suspicious?

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FlyEaglesFly24
03/08/24 2:20:08 PM
#76:


All this is, is a list of democrat congress people and the extent to which the organization who made the website agrees with their stance on Palestine by giving them a letter grade based on the extent they agree with them.

In other words, its propaganda. I thought we dont like propaganda on this site?

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ButteryMales
03/08/24 2:23:42 PM
#77:


Marmitecashews posted...
You don't find that suspicious?
If the goal is to get people to vote for anti-genocide Democrats having Republicans there would be counter-productive as while an anti-genocide Republican, if they even exist, is better than a regular Republican they still be worse than voting for a low grade Democrat. Double the workload for no benefit.
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streamofthesky
03/08/24 2:23:58 PM
#78:


andel posted...
p sure tc has shilled for the russians who have been waging a genocidal war in ukraine
The Venn Diagram of leftist tankies shilling for Russia and progressives posting rabidly anti-Israel shit incessantly is a god damned circle.
I had a lot of them tagged from the Ukraine topics before Oct. 7th, and it's pretty fucking uncanny.
Makes me wonder what % of them are genuinely psychotic "true believers" (ie, tankies) vs. insincere Russian trolls spreading propaganda
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hockeybabe89
03/08/24 2:24:55 PM
#79:


TC, how is Biden gonna get punished if you're voting for him anyway?

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CountCorvinus
03/08/24 2:34:14 PM
#81:


hockeybabe89 posted...
TC, how is Biden gonna get punished if you're voting for him anyway?

https://www.politico.eu/article/chris-coons-joe-biden-military-aid-israel-hamas-war/

The pressure is working.

andel posted...
p sure tc has shilled for the russians who have been waging a genocidal war in ukraine

p sure you're making shit up.

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FlyEaglesFly24
03/08/24 2:52:00 PM
#82:


CountCorvinus posted...


p sure you're making shit up.

Says the guy posting propaganda.

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CountCorvinus
03/08/24 2:54:50 PM
#83:


People on this site are not well.

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Sonixs
03/08/24 2:59:14 PM
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So yeah, what exactly is the outcome these pro Palestine/anti Joe Biden people are looking for?

Surely can't be Trump because we all know the Republican opinion on Muslims. They'd fuckin nuke Palestine off the map if they could.
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DarkDoc
03/08/24 3:09:25 PM
#85:


ButteryMales posted...
Lots of people all over the world are anti-genocide and apartheid. That's all people can do in a representative democracy, find the best candidate they can.

But it's an empty action that doesn't accomplish anything.

What would be achieved by somebody in US government being pressured into saying "I do solemnly declare that a ceasefire would be a good thing"?

It literally doesn't matter. The people in the middle east couldn't give a shit what somebody in Nebraska says.
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AngelsNAirwav3s
03/08/24 3:10:32 PM
#86:


Most Americans believe there should be no ceasefire in Gaza until Hamas surrenders and the hostages are returned home by polling data

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CountCorvinus
03/08/24 3:11:35 PM
#87:


Sonixs posted...
So yeah, what exactly is the outcome these pro Palestine/anti Joe Biden people are looking for?

Surely can't be Trump because we all know the Republican opinion on Muslims. They'd fuckin nuke Palestine off the map if they could.

What I want is a lasting ceasefire and the US to stop military aid to Israel. Pretty simple.

I'd rather my tax dollars go to universal healthcare instead of funding a genocide.

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CountCorvinus
03/08/24 3:16:38 PM
#88:


AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
Most Americans believe there should be no ceasefire in Gaza until Hamas surrenders and the hostages are returned home by polling data

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f513106e.jpg

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AngelsNAirwav3s
03/08/24 3:19:30 PM
#89:


https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/HHP_Feb2024_KeyResults.pdf

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/38ab170c.jpg

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CountCorvinus
03/08/24 3:27:01 PM
#90:


A Harvard / Harris poll. Could you pick a worse pollster?

Fuck, look at the phrasing they use.

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LightningThief
03/08/24 3:28:51 PM
#91:


I swear too many turn to political polls not really understanding those things don't always tell the story you think it does. Often being paraded around like a black and white subject.

Calling for a ceasefire andor deescalation =/= each and everyone in a poll shares the same nuance to get there. Nuance in specifically, being yours stance 100% on how it should be handled vs the another.

This is one of the many issues with political polling being paraded around in such a black and white manner discussing opinions. A very controversial hot topic one at that.

Something like the terms of the ceasefire isn't even agreed on, with the people who actually live there with deeprooted hatred of the other side, let alone people not even living there like us. So a poll making an unnuanced and very broad position of a ceasefire, doesn't mean everyone in said poll actually agrees with you 100% on how to handle a nuanced problem.
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ItsNotA2Mer
03/08/24 4:05:15 PM
#92:


Wow, I've never seen so many people I have tagged simultaneously descend on one topic. What a clownshow.

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CountCorvinus
03/08/24 4:09:33 PM
#93:


ItsNotA2Mer posted...
Wow, I've never seen so many people I have tagged simultaneously descend on one topic. What a clownshow.

I cleared my block list.

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emblem-man
03/08/24 4:17:07 PM
#94:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Why does the website say the bolded part.
I don't think that's true at all. We aren't the primary funder of the Israeli military. Israel is. Both in money and people (soldiers)

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legendary_zell
03/08/24 4:18:12 PM
#95:


Are the people who have an issue with this site unfamiliar with the concept of political rating organizations? They're all biased by definition, because bias often comes with interest and expertise or a stake in a specific issue. I doubt you'd categorically reject a NARAL or EFF or Planned Parenthood or Center for American Progress rating.

All Republicans obviously get an F and can't be pressured. Democrats can get anything from an F to an A, which makes rating them worthwhile, and they can improve or get worse.

This stuff is obvious, you are choosing to pretend not to understand it to deflect from criticism concerning the Israel Palestine conflict.

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emblem-man
03/08/24 4:19:13 PM
#96:


CountCorvinus posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f513106e.jpg
A permanent ceasefire would be some type of pease treaty or whatever. The Biden admin is pushing for a temporary one to get the hostages out and has stated their wish for a 2 state solution after the war.

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asdf8562
03/08/24 4:33:49 PM
#97:


legendary_zell posted...
Are the people who have an issue with this site unfamiliar with the concept of political rating organizations? They're all biased by definition, because bias often comes with interest and expertise or a stake in a specific issue. I doubt you'd categorically reject a NARAL or EFF or Planned Parenthood or Center for American Progress rating.

All Republicans obviously get an F and can't be pressured. Democrats can get anything from an F to an A, which makes rating them worthwhile, and they can improve or get worse.

This stuff is obvious, you are choosing to pretend not to understand it to deflect from criticism concerning the Israel Palestine conflict.
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FlyEaglesFly24
03/08/24 4:58:30 PM
#98:


CountCorvinus posted...
A Harvard / Harris poll. Could you pick a worse pollster?

Fuck, look at the phrasing they use.

Says the guy who posted propaganda

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Sonixs
03/08/24 4:59:39 PM
#99:


CountCorvinus posted...
What I want is a lasting ceasefire and the US to stop military aid to Israel. Pretty simple.

I'd rather my tax dollars go to universal healthcare instead of funding a genocide.

Okay. So if Joe Biden doesn't give that to you, who are you going to vote for?
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ClayGuida
03/08/24 5:00:12 PM
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Where da Republicans?

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