Current Events > Israel/Palestina War XIII - Lets steal some more land from the West Bank

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Foppe
03/06/24 3:18:03 PM
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Here are the latest casualty figures as of February March 6 at 10:40pm in Gaza (08:40 GMT):
Gaza
  • Killed: at least 30,717 people, including more than:
  • 12,300 children
  • 8,400 women
  • Injured: more than 72,156, including at least:
  • 8,663 children
  • 6,327 women
  • Missing: more than 8,000
Occupied West Bank
  • Killed: at least 423 people, including more than:
  • 113 children
  • Injured: more than 4,600



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Rotterdammerung
03/06/24 3:20:56 PM
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It was always about lebensraum

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Foppe
03/06/24 3:36:19 PM
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Reimu posted...
Israel approves plans for 3,400 new homes in West Bank settlements
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68490034

Remind me again what this has to do with "rescuing the hostages"?


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darkace77450
03/07/24 5:14:32 PM
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4509309-trump-on-fighting-in-gaza-youve-got-to-finish-the-problem/

Trump called into Fox and Friends ahead of Super Tuesday voting, and co-host Brian Kilmeade asked the former president whether he was on board with the way Israeli forces were handling the war in Gaza.

Youve got to finish the problem. You had a horrible invasion. It took place. It would have never happened if I was president, by the way, Trump said.

This would have never happened. And for another reason they wouldnt have done it to me. I guarantee you that. They did this because they have no respect for Biden and, frankly, they got soft, Trump added.

For those of you who think withholding your vote in protest of Biden's handling of this situation is in any way going to improve the situation in Gaza.
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DrizztLink
03/07/24 5:15:42 PM
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darkace77450 posted...
This would have never happened. And for another reason they wouldnt have done it to me. I guarantee you that. They did this because they have no respect for Biden and, frankly, they got soft, Trump added.
Who is "they?"

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darkace77450
03/07/24 5:21:51 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
Who is "they?"

In a 60-second word salad answer to a simple question, "they" is Hamas, Iran, Russia, Israel, and Joe Biden.

https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1765008983452951017
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Sir_Will
03/07/24 5:50:34 PM
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Megalomaniac.

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Starks
03/07/24 5:52:08 PM
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Trump refuses to live in the world where he has to deal with a situation as it currently is. Nobody wants to hear about what could have happened.

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darkace77450
03/07/24 5:54:09 PM
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Starks posted...
Trump refuses to live in the world where he has to deal with a situation as it currently is.

The closest he got was Covid, and he blamed his administration's lack of a pandemic response plan on Obama.
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ScazarMeltex
03/07/24 6:01:24 PM
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darkace77450 posted...
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4509309-trump-on-fighting-in-gaza-youve-got-to-finish-the-problem/

For those of you who think withholding your vote in protest of Biden's handling of this situation is in any way going to improve the situation in Gaza.
Biden at least makes noises about wanting the Israelis to tone it down, Trump would be openly advocating that the IDF just kill every Palestinian they find.

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a-c-a-b
03/07/24 6:50:51 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
Biden at least makes noises about wanting the Israelis to tone it down, Trump would be openly advocating that the IDF just kill every Palestinian they find.
What Biden says to the public doesn't mean shit when what his government does behind closed doors is the exact opposite.

Since October the U.S. made over 100 separate arms sales to Israel.

https://youtu.be/eC1QJRNnWmE?si=LSNC-SIKCeUNTZqk

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animebop
03/07/24 6:53:41 PM
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a-c-a-b posted...
What Biden says to the public doesn't mean s*** when what his government does behind closed doors is the exact opposite.

Is it possible that this is more than a binary choice and that there are different levels of support for Israel and Palestine?

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1337toothbrush
03/07/24 6:58:15 PM
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animebop posted...
Is it possible that this is more than a binary choice and that there are different levels of support for Israel and Palestine?
We already know there are different levels of support: complete support for israel and its genocide, no support for Palestine beyond half-assedly trying to improve polling.

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darkace77450
03/07/24 7:24:46 PM
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animebop posted...
Is it possible that this is more than a binary choice and that there are different levels of support for Israel and Palestine?

There are different levels of support for genocide is an argument. It's not one I would make, but who am I to tell you which hills are worth dying on.
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FlyEaglesFly24
03/07/24 9:05:53 PM
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animebop posted...
Is it possible that this is more than a binary choice and that there are different levels of support for Israel and Palestine?

Not here. In the real world, yes.

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animebop
03/07/24 10:06:27 PM
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darkace77450 posted...
There are different levels of support for genocide is an argument. It's not one I would make, but who am I to tell you which hills are worth dying on.

If Trump's policies would cause an additional 30k palestinians to die past biden's policies, and you had a chance to prevent that, you wouldn't to maintain your own sense of morality?

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CobraGT
03/08/24 2:15:04 AM
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Biden announced building a pier in Gaza to make aid possible. Can he build one fast enough? Pontoons?

https://apnews.com/article/biden-gaza-humanitarian-aid-port-us-military-israel-25fb6d71bc951d7491de3ab99733a749

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BabyDahl
03/08/24 2:22:52 AM
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animebop posted...
If Trump's policies would cause an additional 30k palestinians to die past biden's policies, and you had a chance to prevent that, you wouldn't to maintain your own sense of morality?
Of course not, they'll stick with accelerationism. Facilitate making things ten times worse on the off chance that it will wake people up to see that their proposed radical solutions are actually quite reasonable. It's all nonsense, of course, but who am I to tell someone not to dream?
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Hornezz
03/08/24 3:30:53 AM
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Israel destroying Gaza's food system in 'starvation' tactic, UN expert says

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-destroying-gazas-food-system-starvation-tactic-un-expert-says-2024-03-07/

A U.N. expert said on Thursday that Israel was destroying Gaza's food system as part of a broader "starvation campaign" in its war against Hamas militants and berated a U.N. human rights body for not doing more.
"The images of starvation in Gaza are unbearable and you are doing nothing," Michael Fakhri, U.N. Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food, said in a speech to the U.N. Human Rights Council.


In his speech to the 47-member Geneva council, he alleged that Israel is targeting small-scale fishermen by denying them access to the sea and destroying boats and shacks.
Around 80% of Gaza's fishing sector has been destroyed since Oct. 7, he said, adding that every boat had been demolished by Israeli forces in the main port of Gaza City.

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Dark_Arbron
03/08/24 4:21:07 AM
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The UN is very good at commenting on war crimes, just apparently not very good at addressing them.

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Kradek
03/08/24 4:30:37 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
The UN is very good at commenting on war crimes, just apparently not very good at addressing them.

In fairness they're trying, the U.S. just keeps stopping them.

The real problem is that the U.S. wields so much power on the issue when they intentionally refuse to be part of any international court to avoid being prosecuted of our own war crimes.

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ButteryMales
03/08/24 4:31:37 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
The UN is very good at commenting on war crimes, just apparently not very good at addressing them.
It's like the U.S. is using their position in the U.N. to shield Israel.
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Dark_Arbron
03/08/24 4:34:59 AM
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Kradek posted...
In fairness they're trying, the U.S. just keeps stopping them.

The real problem is that the U.S. wields so much power on the issue when they intentionally refuse to be part of any international court to avoid being prosecuted of our own war crimes.

ButteryMales posted...
It's like the U.S. is using their position in the U.N. to shield Israel.

Yeah. My point being that a system where one member can waylay the whole thing isnt a good system.


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Hornezz
03/08/24 4:39:34 AM
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Kradek posted...
The real problem is that the U.S. wields so much power on the issue when they intentionally refuse to be part of any international court to avoid being prosecuted of our own war crimes.
There's a law that outright allows a US president to invade the Netherlands in case an American is tried for war crimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Protection_Act

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ButteryMales
03/08/24 4:43:31 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Yeah. My point being that a system where one member can waylay the whole thing isnt a good system.
Well you can blame the U.S. as one of the five charter members for setting up the U.N. that way.
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Ricemills
03/08/24 5:04:26 AM
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ButteryMales posted...
Well you can blame the U.S. as one of the five charter members for setting up the U.N. that way.

And two of the other four are China and Russia.
That's why UN can't accomplish anything in many other issues. If not US, the others will veto it.

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Foppe
03/08/24 5:11:47 AM
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Hornezz posted...
There's a law that outright allows a US president to invade the Netherlands in case an American is tried for war crimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Protection_Act
and "Covered allied persons" (military personnel, elected or appointed officials, and other persons employed by or working on behalf of the government of a NATO member country, a major non-NATO ally including Australia, Egypt, Israel, Japan, Argentina, the Republic of Korea, and New Zealand).

Am I reading this right?
USA can in theory invade and rescue Israels being charged for warcrimes?

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Fenriswolf
03/08/24 5:20:21 AM
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Hornezz posted...
There's a law that outright allows a US president to invade the Netherlands in case an American is tried for war crimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Protection_Act

And introduced by Jesse Helms and Tom DeLay, two of the worst Republican politicians to ever exist.

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DnDer
03/08/24 6:25:34 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Yeah. My point being that a system where one member can waylay the whole thing isnt a good system.

I wish the senate democrats would learn that, too.

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ButteryMales
03/08/24 7:18:20 AM
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DnDer posted...
I wish the senate democrats would learn that, too.
Are you talking about the Senate Parliamentarian? There's 49 Republicans, Manchin, Sinema, and maybe 5 other democrats ruining the system.
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texanfan27
03/08/24 7:46:47 AM
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Ricemills posted...
And two of the other four are China and Russia.
That's why UN can't accomplish anything in many other issues. If not US, the others will veto it.

makes me wonder why there hasnt been a huge push back to make the founding 5 more in line. They shouldnt be able to veto an issue on their own.

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ButteryMales
03/08/24 7:51:37 AM
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texanfan27 posted...
makes me wonder why there hasnt been a huge push back to make the founding 5 more in line. They shouldnt be able to veto an issue on their own.
They have no power and all those charter members have no problem just assassinating people they don't like. It's political theater and they're all just actors.
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darkace77450
03/08/24 9:28:14 AM
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CobraGT posted...
Biden announced building a pier in Gaza to make aid possible. Can he build one fast enough? Pontoons?

https://apnews.com/article/biden-gaza-humanitarian-aid-port-us-military-israel-25fb6d71bc951d7491de3ab99733a749

What good does a pier do when Israel keeps targeting Palestinians anytime they gather for food, shelter, or medical treatment?
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ButteryMales
03/08/24 9:32:58 AM
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Israel would just blow up the pier and say there was a Hamas tunnel in the water.
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Sir_Will
03/08/24 9:52:27 AM
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Hornezz posted...
There's a law that outright allows a US president to invade the Netherlands in case an American is tried for war crimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Protection_Act
Fuck America.

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orcus_snake
03/08/24 10:18:36 AM
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Sir_Will posted...
Fuck America.

I am a complete noob here and call me a moron but could they just not move the court out of the netherlands? because from what I read on that link the bill allows to invade netherlands or hague specifically but what if the thing was held somwhere else, woudlnt they need to pass a new bill for that place and if they do it looks bad on them, but I double the US really cares how the world looks at them at this point anyways.

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Teddytalks
03/08/24 10:19:41 AM
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darkace77450 posted...
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4509309-trump-on-fighting-in-gaza-youve-got-to-finish-the-problem/

For those of you who think withholding your vote in protest of Biden's handling of this situation is in any way going to improve the situation in Gaza.

Another moron to block. Keep these alts coming.

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Foppe
03/08/24 10:26:17 AM
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orcus_snake posted...
I am a complete noob here and call me a moron but could they just not move the court out of the netherlands? because from what I read on that link the bill allows to invade netherlands or hague specifically but what if the thing was held somwhere else, woudlnt they need to pass a new bill for that place and if they do it looks bad on them, but I double the US really cares how the world looks at them at this point anyways.
I dont think they mention any country by name, just that it is "a bill to protect United States military personnel and other elected and appointed officials of the United States government against criminal prosecution by an international criminal court to which the United States is not party."

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orcus_snake
03/08/24 10:37:03 AM
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Foppe posted...
I dont think they mention any country by name, just that it is "a bill to protect United States military personnel and other elected and appointed officials of the United States government against criminal prosecution by an international criminal court to which the United States is not party."

It does:

The United States is not a member of the International Criminal Court (ICC). The Act authorizes the president of the United States to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court". This authorization led to the act being colloquially nicknamed "The Hague Invasion Act", as the act allows the president to order U.S. military action, such as an invasion of the Netherlands, where The Hague is located, to protect American officials and military personnel from prosecution or rescue them from custody.[3][4]

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Funkydog
03/08/24 11:02:39 AM
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ButteryMales posted...
Israel would just blow up the pier and say there was a Hamas tunnel in the water.
Any Americans killed would also be Hamas.

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darkace77450
03/08/24 11:26:08 AM
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Teddytalks posted...
Another moron to block. Keep these alts coming.

Did this dude just accuse me of being an alt?
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Foppe
03/08/24 11:38:30 AM
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orcus_snake posted...
It does:
It is nicknamed "The Hague Invasion Act" because the ICC is in the Netherlands.
If they moved the ICC to Norway, it would still be an international criminal court to which the United States is not party.

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Sir_Will
03/08/24 12:25:47 PM
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Teddytalks posted...
Another moron to block. Keep these alts coming.
For pointing out that Trump is even worse when it comes to Israel?

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Foppe
03/08/24 1:09:14 PM
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https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/08/middleeast/gaza-airdropped-aid-deaths-intl/index.html

Sometimes it feels like we live in some kind of black satire.

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CobraGT
03/08/24 1:59:01 PM
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darkace77450 posted...
What good does a pier do when Israel keeps targeting Palestinians anytime they gather for food, shelter, or medical treatment?

ButteryMales posted...
Israel would just blow up the pier and say there was a Hamas tunnel in the water.

If the pier happens, it will be staffed by US. But this might not deter IDF, yeah.

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Funkydog
03/08/24 2:18:29 PM
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CobraGT posted...
If the pier happens, it will be staffed by US. But this might not deter IDF, yeah.
They've killed numerous American and British civilians and soldiers before, they'd gleefully jump at a chance to do so again.

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ThyCorndog
03/08/24 2:26:44 PM
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what do IDF defenders think about the thousands of babies starving in gaza
is it hamas' fault?

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SaikyoStyle
03/08/24 2:27:13 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
what do IDF defenders think about the thousands of babies starving in gaza
is it hamas' fault?
They dont think about them.

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FlyEaglesFly24
03/08/24 3:05:43 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
what do IDF defenders think about the thousands of babies starving in gaza
is it hamas' fault?

Yes and no.

Jewish values all agree on a principle known as Tikkun Olam, meaning repairing the world. Nothing about the siege of Gaza is consistent with that value other than the idea of eliminating terrorists. And yes, Hamas in its infinite stupidity tugged on Homelanders cape in the most barbaric way possible.

But, no. You cant pin it only on Hamas. You just cant.

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Sandalorn
03/08/24 3:27:44 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
what do IDF defenders think about the thousands of babies starving in gaza
is it hamas' fault?


Yes...that is what they believe if you read any comments section. Until every Hamas member surrenders and all hostages are given back then every innocent killed, including children, they blame on Hamas while saying the divine Israel is free of any wrong-doing. It's as evil as it gets but Israel and its defenders don't mind wallowing in some evil if it kills Palestinians and gets them more land to settle.
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