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project_night 03/02/24 9:55:27 AM #51: |
blackrider76 posted... Nah. Rudy has the mind of a guy in his 30s and perving on very young girls though... they could handle Rudy's feelings in a more mature way, like in Oshi no Ko, but they play it for comedy. . ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Torgo 03/02/24 9:56:06 AM #52: |
AdviceMan posted...
I don't think they need to stop even though I 100% do not find it amusing, and almost always makes me like a character less. However, this is something that has changed as I've gotten older. It's fiction, and we don't necessarily need to clean up our fiction as long as everyone knows that it's not okay in real life and it's not something to aspire to. That mirrors my attitude pretty well. I don't like it, but I don't think I should have the right to tell them no, you can't write your fictional characters this way. edit: with one caveat... if it crosses into actual sexual assault or involves children the act should be framed as morally wrong and condemned within the narrative of the show. In the same way we would expect other serious crimes to be portrayed. --- Current signature not available. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cuttin_in_farm 03/02/24 9:57:06 AM #53: |
Torgo posted...
I don't believe in placing arbitrary restraints on fictional writing. If writers want to do better and audiences want to make better choices that is preferred. I really don't want to see the left swing back the other way and become censorious in fictional media with "pervert panics" the way conservatives and the religious right had their moral and "satanic panics" and their anti LGBTQ crusading now. Bro, I dont give a shit about your politic stuff. I dont mean to be rude, but left right or whatever I personally dont care about. Fiction goes through cycles. Just like some people like sympathetic villains, and some just want cartoony. Pervert characters dont need to constantly be in flux in the same way. Im stating pervert characters are bad. Because I have never seen anyone find it funny. Adults or children. It doesnt provide any cool insight to a character. It doesnt progress character arcs. Its not entertaining. It has terrible implication for both the pervert character and the characters he pervs on. I want good characters. Someone being pervy isnt always bad. Zenitsu has both traits. Him being desperate to get a wife, and thus, constantly trying to get with women sheds light on his character without going overboard. But the second it involves extremely young characters is where he loses me. Brock was brought up. Another example. Its possible to show a character as highly sexually motivated without going into harassment territory. I feel like Brock was okay about this. Fucking Jiraiya being a peeping tom is just dumb. He writes erotica novels. Does he need to peep on women to be inspired? Hes halfway fine because Naruto constantly clowns the dude about it, but the show plays it for laughs. Obviously this is my opinion. But thats what I think. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ai123 03/02/24 10:01:58 AM #54: |
Not every character in fiction has to be presented as morally flawless.
It's up to you, reader, how you perceive them. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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blackrider76 03/02/24 10:02:11 AM #55: |
project_night posted...
Rudy has the mind of a guy in his 30s and perving on very young girls though... they could handle Rudy's feelings in a more mature way, like in Oshi no Ko, but they play it for comedy. So the age is the only sticking point for you, and not the fact that Paul outright raped several women, Ariel half-joking about taking Sylphie, etc. --- Preparation is the last refuge of the weak ... Copied to Clipboard!
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project_night 03/02/24 10:03:17 AM #56: |
blackrider76 posted... So the age is the only sticking point for you, and not the fact that Paul outright raped several women, Ariel half-joking about taking Sylphie, etc. Rudy is the main character, you wanted me to go through every minor character in the series? Everyone already says Paul is a scumbag. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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blackrider76 03/02/24 10:05:15 AM #57: |
project_night posted...
Rudy is the main character, you wanted me to go through every minor character in the series? When you act like your only problem with the series is the MC being a pervert and ignoring that half the people around him are also perverts, yeah. --- Preparation is the last refuge of the weak ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Torgo 03/02/24 10:06:01 AM #58: |
cuttin_in_farm posted...
Fiction goes through cycles. Just like some people like sympathetic villains, and some just want cartoony. Pervert characters dont need to constantly be in flux in the same way. I have to challenge you here: According to who? Let's take this example: "I say there are too many effeminate men in anime! Pretty and fanciful male characters offend my Religious values! Effeminate and pretty male characters dont need to constantly be in flux in the same way."* (*this is not my actual opinion, it's an example of this thinking going too far using the same justifications) Now, I agree that pervert characters are cringe and annoying, I hated Master Ryoshi back in the day when I first discovered DBZ...and I've never found these characters particularly useful and never endearing. --- Current signature not available. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KeeperOfShadows 03/02/24 10:15:14 AM #59: |
If nobody found perverted characters funny, they wouldn't be used for comedy. It's fine if you don't find them funny. Just don't watch them. There's plenty of anime without perverted characters.
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Guide 03/02/24 10:15:35 AM #60: |
It's just coming from this false association of dislike being linked to moral justification. It's not. I don't go molesting people because I think anime perverts are funny.
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GhostFaceLeaks 03/02/24 10:17:17 AM #61: |
AdviceMan posted...
I don't think they need to stop even though I 100% do not find it amusing, and almost always makes me like a character less. However, this is something that has changed as I've gotten older. It's fiction, and we don't necessarily need to clean up our fiction as long as everyone knows that it's not okay in real life and it's not something to aspire to. Many people nowadays think fiction can affect reality. Some going as so far as to want fictional mediums to be regulated to "protect" people. --- "Do you like Scary movies?" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ratchetrockon 03/02/24 10:25:08 AM #62: |
I got bothered by it in Mushoku Tensei. I read the webnovel many years ago.. The story has somewhat of a serious tone in the WN translation. Wasnt comedic like the anime (haven't seen the anime but that is the impression I get from reactors ranting about it).
I actually hate read the series till volume 19. I was hoping Rudy would get his comeuppance but the translations got really really bad by that point (100% machine translations at the time) so I stopped Don't think ill ever revisit it --- I'm a Taurus. Currently playing: Unforeseen Incidents (PC) & DMC3:SE Ubisoft Port (PC) He/Him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cuttin_in_farm 03/02/24 10:29:07 AM #63: |
ai123 posted...
Not every character in fiction has to be presented as morally flawless. The narrative should reflect the morality. If a pervert groping characters is treated as comedy narratively, then the story isnt treating the character as flawed. Mineta often times have characters chastise him, but narratively, its used as a joke. I think its silly writing that distracts. Especially since Mineta can easily be a good character. He had glimpses of it when he was inspired by Deku. But writer insists on making him a trash character imo. KeeperOfShadows posted... If nobody found perverted characters funny, they wouldn't be used for comedy. It's fine if you don't find them funny. Just don't watch them. There's plenty of anime without perverted characters. Bro, I dunno. I legit just think horny mangakas are projecting. Tbh. So many standup comedians have shows but they arent funny. I dont buy Well, if it wasnt funny, it wouldnt be done! Creative people are just lazy sometimes and copy what they think works. Look at Hollywood. Torgo posted... I have to challenge you here: According to who? I think fiction is best when we dont try and copy n paste tropes. Reality tv does it when they cast archetypes instead of trying to be original. After the Dark Knight, suddenly DC movies are super gritty and dark. Quips are everywhere after MCU. There was an era of making classic villains into anti-heroes etc. It cant always be helped. But at least have a reason. I cant think of why pervert characters are a thing. I can only conclude that someone did it and now its just grandfathered in without a point. Like the protagonist who is academically dumb but a battle genius. Bonus points if they eat a lot. Its just overdone to me. I nitpick pervert characters because they are a net negative to me, as far as tropes go. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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blackrider76 03/02/24 10:30:08 AM #64: |
Volume 19 would be like season 4-5. IIRC thats well past shit hitting the fan tier but exactly what comeuppance were you expecting THAT far in?
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MorganTJ 03/02/24 10:56:18 AM #65: |
I feel like part of the issue is that youre expecting maturity out of battle shounen. The problem isnt nearly as prevalent when youre not primarily watching things meant for children/young teenagers. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 03/02/24 11:03:56 AM #66: |
Wishing perverted characters (In which it's their main and sometimes only personality trait) dies off like "Girls assaulting guys is funny!" tsundere types (Aka Naru) started losing popularity.
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kage_53 03/02/24 11:08:33 AM #67: |
Gonna do a disagree because it leads to funny interactions. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/39c0060e.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8261dfcd.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4a15802d.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 03/02/24 12:00:28 PM #68: |
Umbreon posted...
Wishing perverted characters (In which it's their main and sometimes only personality trait) dies off like "Girls assaulting guys is funny!" tsundere types (Aka Naru) started losing popularity. It was such a weird flip on /a/. Majority sentiment went from "it should've been me!" to "it's abuse and i hate it" overnight. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeonOPPAl 03/02/24 12:01:26 PM #69: |
kage_53 posted...
Gonna do a disagree because it leads to funny interactions.The first 50 episodes of OG Dragonball might as well be renamed to Sex Jokes: The Anime. And it's fucking hilarious >_> I love it! --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 03/02/24 12:03:09 PM #70: |
NeonOPPAl posted...
The first 50 episodes of OG Dragonball might as well be renamed to Sex Jokes: The Anime. i still lose it when I remember that grandpa gohan's balls were so fucking massive that goku used them as a pillow like what the fuck lmao --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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refmon 03/02/24 12:04:01 PM #71: |
It feels like anime would be much better without 90% of anime tropes in general
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NeonOPPAl 03/02/24 12:06:37 PM #72: |
Guide posted...
i still lose it when I remember that grandpa gohan's balls were so fucking massive that goku used them as a pillowOr that time Roshi had everyone wear lingerie and say it was "training gear" so that Launch would wear it too, only for her to sneeze into her mean form and machine gun all of them. Peak comedy >_> --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeonOPPAl 03/02/24 12:06:54 PM #73: |
refmon posted...
It feels like anime would be much better without 90% of anime tropes in generalBut then it wouldn't be anime --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 03/02/24 12:08:28 PM #74: |
cuttin_in_farm posted... Japan needs to grow up. That's a mighty fine generalization you got there. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 03/02/24 12:14:05 PM #75: |
Dragon Ball was funny, but if the entire series was like that start to finish then it would be a garbage show.
Perversion has its place, and I won't pretend I don't love the occasional fanservice, but at a certain point it becomes "The writer's barely disguised fetishistes" and the quality falls off a cliff. Ecchi anime is held to a different standard. No shit the show about busty ninjas in reveling clothing is going to be pervy, you willingly signed up for that one. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Seaman_Prime 03/02/24 12:37:02 PM #76: |
Nah its still funny ... Copied to Clipboard!
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falayyou01 03/02/24 12:39:25 PM #77: |
i Agree with TC there needs to be more serious anime like Jin Roh or Lain.
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NeonOPPAl 03/02/24 12:44:04 PM #78: |
Lain was such a weird trip. I'm still not sure what happened in it but I did enjoy the show....I think.
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ArsGoetia 03/02/24 12:44:15 PM #79: |
cuttin_in_farm posted... The narrative should reflect the morality. If a pervert groping characters is treated as comedy narratively, then the story isnt treating the character as flawed. Mineta often times have characters chastise him, but narratively, its used as a joke. everything about this post is dumb, pointless, or just wrong lol ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Returning_CEmen 03/02/24 12:45:27 PM #80: |
Tbh I think it is their strongest trait
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Bubble_Gum 03/02/24 12:46:40 PM #81: |
TomClark posted...
https://youtu.be/G-PKN5cbwHs?feature=sharedOh my God!!!!! This brings me back like 15 years ago I completely forgot about this song and the band in general . Wasn't a fan, but I feel like I've already dug up everything from my past and experienced the nostalgia from it, so it's great to feel it again . Also the MC from 7DS is a pervert? Didn't know...was considering watching it, but the fight scenes I saw were pretty cheesy. It felt like Yu-Gi-Oh with every character announcing every move name and what effect it has. (Yes I realize this is common in shonen anime, but this show seemed to take it to the extreme.) --- <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 Generic girly placeholder sig ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Northlane 03/02/24 12:48:09 PM #82: |
Ricemills posted...
Imagine having such weak masculinity to be offended by anime girlsThis, bunch of whiny babies --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness; that is life. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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falayyou01 03/02/24 12:48:15 PM #83: |
it would be nice to have more existential philosophical mumbo jumbo anime. I like japans take on things. Stuff like Evangelion and Lain. And in terms of video games you have stuff like Xenogears. The old guard of anime was good at this stuff. Guys liken Hideaki Anno and Mamoru Oshii are like the David Lynch of anime. Then they got old.
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ROBANN_88 03/02/24 12:48:30 PM #84: |
first one i thought of
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Bass 03/02/24 12:49:29 PM #85: |
viewmaster_pi posted...
that grape headed mineta little gremlin man from my hero academia makes me physically illYeah, that's the one I first thought of. Hate that little guy. He's not funny and is just super annoying. Show would be better without him. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 03/02/24 12:49:57 PM #86: |
NeonOPPAl posted...
Lain was such a weird trip. I'm still not sure what happened in it but I did enjoy the show....I think. CLAMP? Is that you? --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ViewtifulGrave 03/02/24 5:27:51 PM #87: |
viewmaster_pi posted...
that grape headed mineta little gremlin man from my hero academia makes me physically illFroppy is in to him. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9170c7b6.jpg --- Useless "Captain" Mid ... Copied to Clipboard!
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viewmaster_pi 03/02/24 5:31:10 PM #88: |
now i wanna squeeze one too...
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Umbreon 03/02/24 5:42:05 PM #90: |
I feel like bringing up the likes of Austin Powers in this conversation necessitates that we distinguish what type of perverted characters we're talking about.
Because there is an absolute difference between a swinger who still had the integrity to turn down a woman because she was too drunk... And your average anime pervert who will grope a girl without consent. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningThief 03/02/24 5:53:25 PM #91: |
Sufferedphoenix posted... Eh I don't mind it of it ain't over done. Like master roshi ain't perrin out every other episode. Or like Roy mustang where it's just something stupid like him saying when he becomes furher he will make mini skirts official uniform for the women.Roy Mustang and Master Roshi aren't even in the same universe of being horny perverts. I wouldn't classify Mustang as the pervert trope at all. Even his sexual joke was tame. As opposed to other horny trope characters who commit sexual harassment, always around for boob gags , and nose bleeds. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Naysaspace 03/02/24 5:54:39 PM #92: |
Yall watch too much japanimation
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LightningThief 03/02/24 6:02:07 PM #93: |
I'm glad newer animes are starting to rely less on the pervert trope though. There's a massive difference in having a sexual character or joke....... and having a character who's all about sexual harassment, boob gags, and egregious fanservice. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 03/02/24 6:03:25 PM #94: |
You... already said that.
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Prestoff 03/02/24 6:11:37 PM #95: |
The only ones I have a problem with are the ones who are peverts that constantly sexually harass others as a running gag/joke, the biggest offender of this is the Sevens sins MC.
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Cynrascal 03/02/24 6:43:03 PM #96: |
Speaking of Shimoneta,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa9zkPY4IAY --- Asocial, not introverted. Know the difference. Maybe those JRPGs villains were on to something about humanity being trash. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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El_Marsh 03/02/24 7:24:33 PM #97: |
Well, that just ruined the muscle buster for me smh
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Umbreon 03/02/24 7:25:18 PM #98: |
Wait until you hear about the cookie incident.
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BloodMoon7 03/02/24 7:27:26 PM #99: |
Oddly, I agree. I watch anime to escape my reality, if I'm a massive pervert, I don't want to see other perverts in my media, I'm glad TC is one of us.
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Cynrascal 03/02/24 7:47:05 PM #100: |
Umbreon posted...
Wait until you hear about the cookie incident. --- Asocial, not introverted. Know the difference. Maybe those JRPGs villains were on to something about humanity being trash. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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