Current Events > Someone set themselves on fire outside the Israeli Embassy

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DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC posted...

But I mean, at a certain point, seems to me you'd realize that A, the bulldozer isn't gonna stop; and B, you'll die if you don't move.

Most people would stop before they run over a someone.

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Yeah, I didn't side with the bulldozer or the operator. But it's like trying to pass a semi-truck in the cabs blind spot: once you're close enough, the driver literally cannot see you anymore and has no idea if you're there. At that point, it's on you to make sure you don't get squashed, and if I'm standing in front of a bulldozer that doesn't seem to be stopping, I'm gonna move when it gets too close.

I reckon that's one way to do it

wonder what's making people pull the mentally ill card on this one, but not the monks that did it.

unless people that are thinking mentally ill also think this of the monks.

sad that he felt the need to do this. especially since i don't think people are gonna see this and get their act together, though that'd be nice if it happened. rip.

DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC posted...

Yeah, I didn't side with the bulldozer or the operator. But it's like trying to pass a semi-truck in the cabs blind spot: once you're close enough, the driver literally cannot see you anymore and has no idea if you're there. At that point, it's on you to make sure you don't get squashed, and if I'm standing in front of a bulldozer that doesn't seem to be stopping, I'm gonna move when it gets too close.

She could not have guessed that driver would be a murderer. And Israel said it was okay. Just how they shot an American reporter everyone said it was okay. Just like how the IDF lied about un workers and every one says its okay.

Israel spent years denying harvesting organs from Palestinians (to be fair, they were also harvesting organs illegally from Israelis too) until they got busted, and then they changed their tune to "well we don't do it anymore so if you bring it up you are anti-semitic!" I don't know why you'd expect them to admit to anything.

DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC posted...

But I mean, at a certain point, seems to me you'd realize that A, the bulldozer isn't gonna stop; and B, you'll die if you don't move.

Didn't she have a leg stuck in the rubble? That's what I always heard

cjsdowg posted...

She could not have guessed that driver would be a murderer. And Israel said it was okay. Just how they shot an American reporter everyone said it was okay. Just like how the IDF lied about un workers and every one says its okay.

Israel also attacked a US navy ship in the 60s, and killed some of the crew. They said it was an accident. The survivors still say to this day that it was no accident and have been trying to get the government to admit it all these years. But the US government always likes to sweep Americans murdered by Israel under the rug to preserve the stupid alliance

Zikten posted...

Israel also attacked a US navy ship in the 60s, and killed some of the crew. They said it was an accident. The survivors still say to this day that it was no accident and have been trying to get the government to admit it all these years. But the US government always likes to sweep Americans murdered by Israel under the rug to preserve the stupid alliance

I dont understand this Alliance.

cjsdowg posted...

That cop with a gun on him. What in the hell.

The guy could've had a pocketful of acorns

cjsdowg posted...

I dont understand this Alliance.

There are a lot of reasons. Locally you got AIPAC and Evangelicals heavily interested in maintaining a Zionist state. On a global strategic scale Israel is heavily reliant on the US for its legitimacy so it is the only country in the region that will always stay allied with the US (the rest rely propping up governments on a populace that is very much not pro-US). Then you got to factor in the fact Israel has nukes and will use them if their existence is ever in crisis, and the US does not want anyone using Nukes ever again because that'll open the door to everyone using them. So they give Israel a very long leash.

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wow...

I mean, this specific sort of protest shouldn't be happening more.

emblem-man posted...

I mean, this specific sort of protest shouldn't be happening more.

People are thinking...What else people going to do.. they are called pro terrorists if the don't vote for Biden in a primary.. this is not the first person to do this. A theq scary thing is I can't find information about the other besides it happened

cjsdowg posted...

People are thinking...What else people going to do

Not self-immolation.

I must ask, what did he hope to achieve with this? These are wrongs that ordinary people can't right. Protests and boycotts don't work. He threw his life away and it didn't mean a thing.

I mean, I get it? No one wants to see innocent civilians being bombed and killed. But knowing that, knowing what they've done, why would one man's death move them to pity?

DarthCommodus posted...

I must ask, what did he hope to achieve with this? These are wrongs that ordinary people can't right. Protests and boycotts don't work. He threw his life away and it didn't mean a thing.

I mean, I get it? No one wants to see innocent civilians being bombed and killed. But knowing that, knowing what they've done, why would one man's death move them to pity?

To force people to look at the genocide their governments are helping happen. To turn a lens of something they can't ignore.

Funkydog posted...

To force people to look at the genocide their governments are helping happen. To turn a lens of something they can't ignore.

I'm just not in favor of protests that harm oneself or others.

Setting yourself on fire in support of any thing( Palestine, Israel, whatever) is sad and shouldn't be seen positively.

Funkydog posted...

To force people to look at the genocide their governments are helping happen. To turn a lens of something they can't ignore.

But the people already know. And it has no bearing on the decisions of the Israeli government.

It's like when people think that a protest march will effect some sort of change - when in essence, they're just walking from Point A to Point B and then back again. It does nothing.

Condemnation and moral outrage only work when we are all following the same ethical model.

Funkydog posted...

To force people to look at the genocide their governments are helping happen. To turn a lens of something they can't ignore.

I dunno if it's accomplishing that..

There have definitely been cases of self-immolation protests that had a political impact:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c#Political_and_media_impact
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Bouazizi#Aftermath_and_legacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Palach#Posthumous_recognition

Hornezz posted...

There have definitely been cases of self-immolation protests that had a political impact:

Yes, but in those cases it was meant to draw attention to an issue that was largely being ignored. The situation over in Israel isn't really being ignored so I'm not sure what this guy thought he was going to accomplish.

People will see this, say "wow, that's fucked up," and then keep scrolling. These actions will not produce any new activists.

Someone killing themselves should never be the answer. Rip

Gobstoppers12 posted...

People will see this, say "wow, that's fucked up," and then keep scrolling.

I don't think everyone has such a nihilistic indifference to human suffering.

Hornezz posted...

I don't think everyone has such a nihilistic indifference to human suffering.

Okay, but the people who have a strong sensitivity to this kind of thing are probably already aware of the goings-on.

It's been a huge discussion for months now. This guy didn't raise awareness of an unnoticed issue. He just added a headline into a sea of other headlines that already existed about the subject.

It wasn't worth it.

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/25/1233810136/fire-man-israeli-embassy-washington

I wish he had not but I get it.

If he was Russian complaining about Putin they would have.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/ee0fd0c9.jpg

DarthCommodus posted...

But the people already know. And it has no bearing on the decisions of the Israeli government.

It's like when people think that a protest march will effect some sort of change - when in essence, they're just walking from Point A to Point B and then back again. It does nothing.

Condemnation and moral outrage only work when we are all following the same ethical model.

Uh, I mean it's clear he self-immolated while wearing his US air force uniform because the US has major levers of influence on Israel and has been both directly supplying them and shielding them from international consequences on the UN security council.

It's so crazy to write "people think that a protest march will effect some sort of change" when one of the most important protests in the post-founding history of the United States was a march.

In America. Pathetic TC. Trying to make it seem more important than some guy sacrificing himself to the flame on the literal wrong half of the planet.

Sephiroth_C_Ryu posted...

In America. Pathetic TC. Trying to make it seem more important than some guy sacrificing himself to the flame on the literal wrong half of the planet.

Okay seriously what's with you guys and pretending the US has nothing to do with any of this. Is it genuine ignorance or are you trolling about a self-immolation protest?

DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC posted...

But I mean, at a certain point, seems to me you'd realize that A, the bulldozer isn't gonna stop; and B, you'll die if you don't move.

Wow nice victim blaming.

Doe posted...

Okay seriously what's with you guys and pretending the US has nothing to do with any of this. Is it genuine ignorance or are you trolling about a self-immolation protest?

America funds weapon development that is deployed in Israel.
Most of that money goes back to the MIC.

Good. You have successfully demonstrated that the self-immolation fellow chose the wrong venue and should instead have done so in front of either whichever company HQ that makes Israel's offensive weapons... OR, should have just flown to Israel and set themself on fire in front of the closest he could get to their leader (or at least the closest public/freely recorded area to him).

Are you done?

Sephiroth_C_Ryu posted...

America funds weapon development that is deployed in Israel.
Most of that money goes back to the MIC.

Good. You have successfully demonstrated that the self-immolation fellow chose the wrong venue and should instead have done so in front of either whichever company HQ that makes Israel's offensive weapons... OR, should have just flown to Israel and set themself on fire in front of the closest he could get to their leader (or at least the closest public/freely recorded area to him).

You really think you know better about how this guy should've conducted his protest when his full message got read out on CNN already.

I'm honestly surprised super cop didn't pop a full bullets in him in 'self-defense'. JFC....take that fucker's badge now.

https://youtu.be/fCe8Px_-wTw

DarthCommodus posted...

I must ask, what did he hope to achieve with this? These are wrongs that ordinary people can't right. Protests and boycotts don't work. He threw his life away and it didn't mean a thing.

I mean, I get it? No one wants to see innocent civilians being bombed and killed. But knowing that, knowing what they've done, why would one man's death move them to pity?

Agreed. 25 years old and had his whole life ahead of him.
I feel the Western world is more apathetic about death than we ever have been in modern times. This guy just threw his life away. Unbelievably stupid, and this is coming from someone with a family history of depression and suicide.

Ferarri619 posted...

I feel the Western world is more apathetic about death than we ever have been in modern times.

Given what this protest was about, you might be right, for the opposite reason you meant.

Doe posted...

Given what this protest was about, you might be right, for the opposite reason you meant.

Why can't it be both?

No doubt this individual had some mental health issues. You can always do more to help a cause alive then you can if you're dead.

gamer167 posted...

No doubt this individual had some mental health issues. You can always do more to help a cause alive then you can if you're dead.

These two claims have nothing to do with one another, and yes, there is doubt he had mental health issues. Risking your life to bring attention to an issue you think is of imminent and profound moral importance does not diagnose you with mental illness.

Doe posted...

Risking your life to bring attention to an issue you think is of imminent and profound moral importance does not diagnose you with mental illness.

Man literally live streamed his own suicide. I feel like that's a pretty good indicator that something was wrong with his thought process.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Man literally live streamed his own suicide. I feel like that's a pretty good indicator that something was wrong with his thought process.

The idea that everyone who has put their life at extreme hazard to protest something where the lives of others were pressingly at stake must fundamentally have been mentally ill is, I think, outright offensive. It detracts from the agency, moral clarity, and legitimacy of some of the most important people in history, people who stood up for causes absolutely knowing they were going to die for it.

Doe posted...

These two claims have nothing to do with one another, and yes, there is doubt he had mental health issues. Risking your life to bring attention to an issue you think is of imminent and profound moral importance does not diagnose you with mental illness.

This individual lit himself on fire in order to kill himself. I don't know why you think the way that you do about this, but I am sorry that you do.