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masterpug53
02/23/24 9:39:15 AM
#101:


bnui_ransder posted...
The next problem I'm seeing more and more is that when you post anything new, people will now dismiss it and say "oh you just used ai to make that, you suck" and ask you to prove it, post a video of you making your drawing

I'm so sorry I didn't record an entire week's worth of drawing sessions and put it together just for you

Funny thing is that, if AI-generated content ends up having the legs to carry it beyond the 'fad' phase, it might end up birthing an artistic movement among digital illustrators akin to Impressionism and Post-Impressionism, wherein artists move away from photorealism / fine-detail art due to it being confused for AI, and veer harder into more painterly / abstract proportions, perspective, and textures.

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ai123
02/23/24 9:40:00 AM
#102:


AI cannot 'steal' anyone's hobby.

There are many hobby dressmakers, potters, jewellery makers, despite the automated/mass production of those things.

The high end is also exclusively human.

AI threatens the commercial tier between hobbyists who do it for the love, and the highly skilled who produce bespoke pieces of great quality.

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viewmaster_pi
02/23/24 9:40:42 AM
#103:


it's not just about money and jobs, that's as far away from the point of art as you can get. some people just aren't going to get it, and that's fine, but it remains frustrating

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Nemu
02/23/24 9:43:19 AM
#104:


viewmaster_pi posted...
it's not just about money and jobs, that's as far away from the point of art as you can get. some people just aren't going to get it, and that's fine, but it remains frustrating
Art is so subjective that tossing a piece of buttered toast on a slab of marble could be considered art, so acting like it has any concrete definition or meaning is kind of pointless.
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viewmaster_pi
02/23/24 9:43:58 AM
#105:


masterpug53 posted...
Funny thing is that, if AI-generated content ends up having the legs to carry it beyond the 'fad' phase, it might end up birthing an artistic movement among digital illustrators akin to Impressionism and Post-Impressionism, wherein artists move away from photorealism / fine-detail art due to it being confused for AI, and veer harder into more painterly / abstract proportions, perspective, and textures.
that's actually something i've been thinking about, mainly regarding anime art, it all starts melting together and looking the same, and now AI can generate it like nothing, so i appreciate a lot more original art styles lately, even if they're not always as "ideal" or "perfect" or whatever people want with more anime looking art

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
02/23/24 9:46:03 AM
#106:


I've seen plenty of ai art that looks great. I don't know what people who claim it all looks bad is looking at. Maybe they haven't looked at any since the early bad hands pictures

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mario2000
02/23/24 9:48:52 AM
#107:


AI art at best should be used as inspiration to create your own art.

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PraxagoraKassan
02/23/24 9:50:45 AM
#108:


If something looks nice it looks nice, the endgame for this stuff is basically Photoshop 2

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boomgetchopped3
02/23/24 9:52:52 AM
#109:


Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
I've seen plenty of ai art that looks great. I don't know what people who claim it all looks bad is looking at. Maybe they haven't looked at any since the early bad hands pictures

Art is about connecting with humanity to me. Knowing it was generated by an algorithm that essentially amalgamated a bunch of artists work cheapens the whole thing. I dont care how good it looks. I dont care how well you can compare a humans creative process to the machine. Its not human. It has no needs like we do. It deserves zero credit and shouldnt be taking work from humans.

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Dungeater
02/23/24 9:54:24 AM
#110:


viewmaster_pi posted...
it says a lot about a person if that's how they handle an "off night." hm, i feel down, i know, i'll go on CE and take low blows at hobby-level artists
im not gonna say we all do it but i understand it

and im not gonna cut viewpoints like that any slack either. i just get it. yeah its shitty but sometimes thats where we end up. idk what else to say about it, i dont wanna keep speculating about them as if they arent here

it just sucked to see. im done with it at that

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viewmaster_pi
02/23/24 9:57:33 AM
#111:


PraxagoraKassan posted...
If something looks nice it looks nice
counterfeits or reproductions can look very nice, but people will still usually appreciate the genuine article more. i guess that's how i see it. it looks nice, but... it's made to churn out things that look nice. which is... nice, but banal. there's no sauce. individuality. a little spice. everything looks "perfect" until it's boring and expected. oh. it's this stuff. again.

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cjsdowg
02/23/24 9:58:34 AM
#112:


This is has gotten to be about people being paid for their work. Just like the add. I don't think AI should be used for commercial work. You should hire someone for that.

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viewmaster_pi
02/23/24 9:59:59 AM
#113:


Dungeater posted...
im done with it at that
i got you, i appreciate you and pugmaster saying anything at all, even if it wasn't meant to necessarily defend me or anything.

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viewmaster_pi
02/23/24 10:00:59 AM
#114:


i mean masterpug, lol

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LSGW_Zephyra
02/23/24 10:01:55 AM
#115:


cjsdowg posted...
This is has gotten to be about people being paid for their work. Just like the add. I don't think AI should be used for commercial work. You should hire someone for that.

The problem is people do use it for commercial work and usually they monetize their a.i through adverts which is ya know stealing

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C_Pain
02/23/24 10:03:07 AM
#116:


I like it too. You can use it for funny personal memes. I also don't see how it's stealing. I understand the consent issue with the use in databases, so it's probably best that it shouldn't be used for commercial purposes, but people making it for their own use and then being chewed out online over it is annoying. If I use AI to help me code, am I stealing jobs from a computer scientist?

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ai123
02/23/24 10:05:31 AM
#117:


viewmaster_pi posted...
counterfeits or reproductions can look very nice, but people will still usually appreciate the genuine article more. i guess that's how i see it. it looks nice, but... it's made to churn out things that look nice. which is... nice, but banal. there's no sauce. individuality. a little spice. everything looks "perfect" until it's boring and expected. oh. it's this stuff. again.
I absolutely agree with this.

And it's why I believe we will always have the human artist. Be they hobbyists or elite craftsmen.

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HA4e
02/23/24 10:15:37 AM
#118:


"It's AI Generated, Luigi, you didn't make it."

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bnui_ransder
02/23/24 10:25:19 AM
#119:


https://streamable.com/d72vzj

This small file ended up being over 50mb, and my final complete version would easily be over 1gb

What a waste of space

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HeroFlyChao
02/23/24 10:33:41 AM
#120:


HA4e posted...
"It's AI Generated, Luigi, you didn't make it."

I laughed harder than I should have

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AeroFlash15
02/23/24 10:40:45 AM
#121:


Dungeater posted...
i'm staunchly opposed to it. i dislike that it is roundabout stealing from existing artists. i dislike that people use it as a means of cheapening existing art/artists. i dislike that instead of offering relief from tedium so the artists can do the creative side, it is doing "creative" side while artists continue with tedium

i hated it before him and i'll never not hate it


Blue_Inigo posted...
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AeroFlash15
02/23/24 10:49:27 AM
#122:


KanWan posted...
I think if its for practical means, it makes sense to use AI. I wouldnt consider adaptive tree paths via AI in conversation as part of the art in creating good dialogue. Its whether or not the original details in the question deliver a means for which good content could be derived from.

Im more regular, if it comes from AI, a blanket statement of its not art slapped on settles all of humanity even with the human element to guide the creation

Its just automatically disqualified, why? It doesnt matter. If someone chooses to incorporate it into something, that is the artistic merit. But none of the creation. None of the award.

Art has been subjective and it will probably always be.. a weird wonky stipulation should be added for variety.
I can easily equate it to using gym equipment to work out, and alternatively have that equipment move your body for you. There's no refinement or improvement of oneself or skills.

If it for practical means, sure. But art is recreational. No reason for automation.

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Prestoff
02/23/24 11:14:54 AM
#123:


AI can be a great tool to help supplement the creative process as long as there is an human creative element to it. Like AI is inevitable, it's too cost effective to not use. What we don't need it to do is to put artist out of commission.

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02/23/24 1:01:29 PM
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ArsGoetia
02/23/24 1:11:27 PM
#125:


Dungeater posted...
this is really disappointing

i understand if the professional artist circles arent on your personal radar, but that doesnt mean they arent there

which is to say nothing of the fact that youre talking down to your fellow small scale artists

this is really ugly talk


i'm not a small scale artist lol wym
the project i'm currently working is over $50k and i quoted another this morning looking at an upwards of $200k (revenue). i knocked out a $2k "small scale" project since i got to work and before taking lunch. the studio i work for has been around since the early 1800s and i'm just one of the artists that works here. why? because we embraced change and emergent techniques and technologies. we were early adopters of advancements in glazing techniques, plating, and in more modern times, laser cutting of pieces that were unable to be cut by hand (you had to spend a considerable amount of time and effort cutting them on a wet saw before).

is business good? fuck no. i genuinely don't see artisan stained glass studios surviving the century. it's already considered a lost/dead art and the biggest driver of commission has been religious institutions, which are circling the drain themselves. most art glass manufacturers have either gone out of business or eaten each other. self-adhesive stained glass overlay/lead tape exists now. and home installations are largely dominated by chinese/mexican mass produced studios anymore. am i mad about it? no. am i gonna sit here and beg people to donate to churches or stop buying pella windows? no. am i gonna call the chinese/mexican/lead tape windows "fake" stained glass? no. do i farm my shitty jobs out to mexican studios if it makes financial sense? fuck yea i do. ordered over 200 windows from one for a single (gigantic) house last year.

every industry deals with this, idk why we need to use kid gloves for artists. adapt to new techniques and technologies, better your craft to the point that cheap imitation isn't competition, or just fuck off. if you willingly entered the art field professionally without a mindset of continual self improvement, especially as the general age demographic of CE which has seen literally every art medium drastically change since they've been born, idk what to tell you other than you shouldn't be here.

you're mad at a tool. either figure out how to use it to your benefit, be better than the tool without using it, or be replaced. it's not going away, it's only going to get better (or worse for you, i guess).

and tbqh, i'm nothing but elated that the general public, like TC, has easier and cheaper access to the aesthetic creations they want to see. and i genuinely cannot wait until AI replaces all of us.

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ArsGoetia
02/23/24 1:13:58 PM
#126:


viewmaster_pi posted...
all he did was take his mask off


genuinely curious as to what mask you think i was wearing lmao
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Dungeater
02/23/24 1:19:36 PM
#127:


ArsGoetia posted...
i'm not a small scale artist lol wym

then replace it with independent if i misspoke. thats a tangent and not even the point

if you dont give a fuck and can gleefully express anti-solidarity, thats that innit

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ArsGoetia
02/23/24 1:37:05 PM
#128:


AeroFlash15 posted...
I can easily equate it to using gym equipment to work out, and alternatively have that equipment move your body for you. There's no refinement or improvement of oneself or skills.

uhhhh
wym
if an automated process could provide the body image you wanted without having to laboriously exercise, you think people would keep working out just for fun? your average person could not give a fuck about the process, does not know, and does not want to know how it works. all they care about is the end result.

if the end result is "physique of a greek god/dess"
and the options are "once a day pill" and "working out multiple hours a day at a gym with a membership"
who the fuck is going to take option b? lol

if you genuinely enjoy working out, more power to you. but if i didn't have to diet or work out to achieve the body image i wanted, you think i'd spend my free time at the fucking gym?
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Trepan
02/23/24 1:37:26 PM
#129:


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viewmaster_pi
02/23/24 1:41:30 PM
#130:


ArsGoetia posted...
genuinely curious as to what mask you think i was wearing lmao
how about you just take the hint and fuck off instead of gassing on and on and on about the stained glass market and entering the art field "professionally" when nobody said they did that or were worried about being replaced before you started running your mouth. i don't know what kind of flex you think it is to take shots at somebody who draws for fun, but it makes you look absolutely pathetic

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Dungeater
02/23/24 1:43:48 PM
#131:


viewmaster_pi posted...
how about you just take the hint and fuck off instead of gassing on and on and on about the stained glass market and entering the art field "professionally" when nobody said they did that or were worried about being replaced before you started running your mouth. i don't know what kind of flex you think it is to take shots at somebody who draws for fun, but it makes you look absolutely pathetic

i kno u may not have a very high opinion of me but i genuinely mean this: i dont think their posts are worth ur time. theyve doubled down, benefit of the doubt time is over. theyre just gonna laugh and personally insult u more

man ngl it still sucks to have read that potshot at u

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CE_gonna_CE
02/23/24 1:44:49 PM
#132:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3f2b9fe6.jpg

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viewmaster_pi
02/23/24 1:44:58 PM
#133:


ArsGoetia posted...
every industry deals with this, idk why we need to use kid gloves for artists. adapt to new techniques and technologies, better your craft to the point that cheap imitation isn't competition, or just fuck off. if you willingly entered the art field professionally without a mindset of continual self improvement, especially as the general age demographic of CE which has seen literally every art medium drastically change since they've been born, idk what to tell you other than you shouldn't be here.
like... what the fuck are you talking about?? what the actual fuck are you talking about here? who said anything about this? who said "boo hoo i entered the industry and now i'm being replaced"?

but you did get one thing right

ArsGoetia posted...
you're mad at a tool.


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masterpug53
02/23/24 1:45:13 PM
#134:


ArsGoetia posted...
genuinely curious as to what mask you think i was wearing lmao

I mean, every single thing you post is terrible, so you are for once correct in that there was no mask to begin with.

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DarkDoc
02/23/24 1:45:47 PM
#135:


VeesMcGees posted...
My artist friends also hate ai art. I am usually unimpressed by ai art.

Yes. It's called personal taste. You're not supposed to love everything.

I think quite a lot of "genuine" art is shit to. I've come out of galleries in London, Paris and New York and thought I wasted my time.

It's fine.

Can't please all the people all the time.

But some people DO love AI art. In fact, the vast majority of people can't tell the difference between AI art and human art.

divot1338 posted...
What was that fighting game where during the bonus round you got to beat the shit out of someones car?

Final Fight. Then Street Fighter 2, SF3, SF4.

hockeybabe89 posted...
As long as it is extremely illegal to make money off it, it's fine.

What are we saying, "real art" is defined by whether it makes money? Remember that 80% of all artists fail to make a profit.

Also, graffiti?

SydnieStarlight posted...
That's to say nothing of the way it steals from artists - both by directly ripping off their work and by putting them out of jobs.

But what about all the people who can't afford to pay $27 million for a Monet?

masterpug53 posted...
the genuine threat of robots stealing our leisure activities / artistic pursuits from us grows slimmer by the day

Like, if you enjoy painting, you should paint. If you enjoy writing, you should write. If you enjoy sculpting, you should sculpt. Don't let AI stop you doing what you love.

But also, don't do any of these things because you think your paintings will be worth millions, because they're not.
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viewmaster_pi
02/23/24 1:47:00 PM
#136:


Dungeater posted...
i kno u may not have a very high opinion of me but i genuinely mean this: i dont think their posts are worth ur time. theyve doubled down, benefit of the doubt time is over. theyre just gonna laugh and personally insult u more
nah, you're right. just sucks that people like this regularly mouth off and skate

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PraxagoraKassan
02/23/24 1:49:11 PM
#137:


Being completely useless will never be replaced by AI

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bnui_ransder
02/23/24 1:50:05 PM
#138:


PraxagoraKassan posted...
Being completely useless will never be replaced by AI
Thankfully that means I'm safe

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Trepan
02/23/24 1:50:53 PM
#139:


PraxagoraKassan posted...
Being completely useless will never be replaced by AI
https://youtu.be/8gKpCouH2lw
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ArsGoetia
02/23/24 1:54:49 PM
#141:


viewmaster_pi posted...
how about you just take the hint and fuck off instead of gassing on and on and on about the stained glass market and entering the art field "professionally" when nobody said they did that or were worried about being replaced before you started running your mouth. i don't know what kind of flex you think it is to take shots at somebody who draws for fun, but it makes you look absolutely pathetic

bruh you came into a topic with clearly stated positive sentiment about AI art and started getting rampantly shitty about it lol
if you wanna post your shit online and get not get critique then wtf you making art for?
compliments?
i mean that's cool, i get it. but like if you're not making art solely for yourself, then, again, better yourself or fuck off.
i am also a hobbyist. i took up a hobby, sucked shit at it. posted my shit online and got lots of critique (which made me mad at the time). but tbh that critique was the driver to better myself at my hobby. i think it's awesome that you draw tbh, but i'm not going to pat you on the back or anything like yer a 2nd grader
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Dungeater
02/23/24 1:56:07 PM
#142:


the tc plainly asked "what do you guys think of it"

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ArsGoetia
02/23/24 1:58:45 PM
#144:


BoomerKuwanger posted...
Goddamn the pro AI art arguments in this topic are so dumb. "AI art isn't any different than the self checkouts in the supermarket!!!"

People can certainly get pretentious about art but how uncultured do you have to be to not see the point of human expression in it

you are overestimating the amount of human expression in commissioned art lol
you think i wanna paint christ with the children all day anymore than your average twitter comm artists wants to draw commissioner's OC? lol

the only artists out there truly expressing the "soul" you all keep bandying about, aren't making any money off of it (outside of the top echelon) and haven't for decades(centuries?) lol
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ArsGoetia
02/23/24 1:59:14 PM
#145:


BoomerKuwanger posted...
Shitting on things that are bad is based. I know it's an extreme example and I'm not equivocating the two, but would you make this argument if people were dumping on a topic that was like "Nazi uniforms were cool"?

you're mad at a tool
and are one tbh
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viewmaster_pi
02/23/24 2:03:24 PM
#146:


ArsGoetia posted...
i think it's awesome that you draw tbh, but i'm not going to pat you on the back or anything like yer a 2nd grader
riiiight, right, "talentless" is just a critique. you're full of shit and i don't know what you think you have to gain from all this

ArsGoetia posted...
and are one tbh
and you stole my joke...

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AeroFlash15
02/23/24 2:09:54 PM
#147:


ArsGoetia posted...
and i genuinely cannot wait until AI replaces all of us.
Really bizarre conclusion to come to considering the rest of this post was rather reasonable.

Edit: Regarding your reply to my post, my perspective comes from respect of crafts and the labor that goes into the work. Of course automation has been implemented throughout history to make our way of living easier and convenient. I made a long drawn out post about that I don't feel like repeating. I understand the reality of it and it just boils down to preference. Hell, autocorrect just fix the word preference for me.

I don't need to go on the ethics on how it can take people's jobs away because plenty of systems have already been applied in many places (self checkout machines and the like). That's just life. Whether it improves and replaces actual artists isn't for me to decide. I simply don't support it out of my own principles. I could even argue on the gym example to make my stance clear, but we don't need to go back and forth on it.

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ArsGoetia
02/23/24 2:12:40 PM
#148:


viewmaster_pi posted...
riiiight, right, "talentless" is just a critique. you're full of shit and i don't know what you think you have to gain from all this

i thought you were one of those "i draw commissioned fetish porn for a living and AI has threatened my livelihood" ppl
my bad
like i said i sucked at my hobby and busted my ass to be better at it
it's not fun and wasn't worth it
all i'm saying is if you aren't making art for a living, and have no intention of self improvement, you shouldn't pay attention to anything outside your own art.
like i said, i sucked at my hobby. i got hella critique the first time i posted anything i painted online. it (personally) spurred me towards bettering my technique.
but if someone is super happy with their own achievements at whatever skill level the possess? fuckin awesome.

like not being a shit, if you just like drawing and are completely content w/ the things you draw and aren't trying to make money off of them? hell ya. your shit is rad. there is absolutely nothing wrong with creativity, no matter the skill level.

like here's a good example. my favorite band is the smiths. most of my favorite versions of their tracks are lives complete with the imperfections that are inescapable from a live. it feels more "real" to me. so i "get it". but i'm also a realist that has lived and worked in industries susceptible to these things my entire life.

if you wanna make art? make art for you. fuck the haters.
if you wanna make art for money or recognition? be prepared to be absolutely eviscerated by the market and any casual observer.
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ArsGoetia
02/23/24 2:13:39 PM
#149:


AeroFlash15 posted...
Really bizarre conclusion to come to considering the rest of this post was rather reasonable.

why would it be a bad thing if we all had our needs provided for, and luxuries we couldn't dream of were an AI generation away?
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