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darkace77450 02/21/24 8:24:57 PM #1:	https://apnews.com/article/michigan-firearm-saf-a38c8e01fff0bb70e90b9985d5bd4150 A Michigan man whose 2-year-old daughter shot herself in the head with his revolver last week became the first person charged under the states new law requiring safe storage of guns, just days after the new measure took effect as part of a sweeping reform of gun regulations in the state. I didn't even know Michigan passed such a law. Michigan Dems continue getting shit done. To think we could have a federal equivalent if the Republican Party wasn't beholden to the NRA. <cite>darkace77450 posted [p:978970752] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>https://apnews.com/article/michigan-firearm-saf-a38c8e01fff0bb70e90b9985d5bd4150<quote>A Michigan man whose 2-year-old daughter shot herself in the head with his revolver last week became the first person charged under the states new law requiring safe storage of guns, just days after the new measure took effect as part of a sweeping reform of gun regulations in the state.</quote>I didn't even know Michigan passed such a law. Michigan Dems continue getting shit done. To think we could have a federal equivalent if the Republican Party wasn't beholden to the NRA.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArkhamOrigins 02/21/24 8:25:27 PM #2:	Jfc --- The <cite>ArkhamOrigins posted [p:978970763] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Jfc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thermador446 02/21/24 8:27:17 PM #3:	Just another day in the Midwest --- "While you were wasting your time castrating a priceless antique, I was systematically feeding babies to hungry mutated puppies!" -The Monarch <cite>Thermador446 posted [p:978970794] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Just another day in the Midwest </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aloc 02/21/24 8:27:36 PM #4:	Hopefully for decades --- Aloc will now post in PG or try <cite>Aloc posted [p:978970800] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Hopefully for decades </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aristoph 02/21/24 8:28:07 PM #5:	Hopefully they lock him up better than he locked up his gun. --- PSN ID: Aristoph https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj5ydFYxnEODxpQeBswmiAA <cite>Aristoph posted [p:978970812] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Hopefully they lock him up better than he locked up his gun. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mybbqrules 02/21/24 8:29:12 PM #6:	About time. Maybe now that there will be consequences dipshit 2A chuds will actually start securing their weapons. --- Currently playing: GTA trilogy, Super Mario Wonder Donald Trump: Inmate No. P01135809 <cite>mybbqrules posted [p:978970831] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>About time. Maybe now that there will be consequences dipshit 2A chuds will actually start securing their weapons. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 02/21/24 8:29:23 PM #7:	Why do gun owners seem to have such a hard time securing their guns? --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:978970836] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Why do gun owners seem to have such a hard time securing their guns? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bfslick50 02/21/24 8:31:02 PM #8:	Its so sad that dont let toddlers have access to guns just now became a law in Michigan and probably still isnt in half the country. --- "Something's wrong! Murder isn't working and that's all we're good at." ~Futurama <cite>bfslick50 posted [p:978970862] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Its so sad that dont let toddlers have access to guns just now became a law in Michigan and probably still isnt in half the country. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkace77450 02/21/24 8:31:57 PM #9:	StealThisSheen posted... Why do gun owners seem to have such a hard time securing their guns? Because we don't require gun safety courses as a prerequisite to purchasing a firearm. And because a lot of gun fetishists are really, really stupid. <cite>darkace77450 posted [p:978970878] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted... </cite><quote>Why do gun owners seem to have such a hard time securing their guns?</quote>Because we don't require gun safety courses as a prerequisite to purchasing a firearm. And because a lot of gun fetishists are really, really stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 02/21/24 8:32:14 PM #10:	Some gun owners are better than others. My dad has owned a gun since before I was born. I'm 42. I've never actually seen it <cite>Zikten posted [p:978970884] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Some gun owners are better than others. My dad has owned a gun since before I was born. I'm 42. I've never actually seen it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsNotA2Mer 02/21/24 8:33:24 PM #11:	ArkhamOrigins posted... Jfc --- It is impossible to live in the past, difficult to live in the present, and a waste to live in the future. (He/Him). <cite>ItsNotA2Mer posted [p:978970906] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>ArkhamOrigins posted... </cite><quote>Jfc</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bfslick50 02/21/24 8:38:42 PM #12:	Zikten posted... Some gun owners are better than others. Probably why there should be some sort of bar to be a gun owner. Bring back the responsible part of gun ownership --- "Something's wrong! Murder isn't working and that's all we're good at." ~Futurama <cite>bfslick50 posted [p:978970988] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>Some gun owners are better than others.</quote>Probably why there should be some sort of bar to be a gun owner. Bring back the responsible part of gun ownership </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/21/24 8:47:21 PM #13:	bfslick50 posted... Probably why there should be some sort of bar to be a gun owner. Bring back the responsible part of gun ownership --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978971147] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>bfslick50 posted... </cite><quote>Probably why there should be some sort of bar to be a gun owner. Bring back the responsible part of gun ownership</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
St0rmFury 02/21/24 11:32:47 PM #14:	Sad. --- "Average Joe" is a trolling term since it's completely an opinion. "Overachieving" is also an opinion. - SBAllen (Hellhole: 52458377) <cite>St0rmFury posted [p:978973740] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Sad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 02/21/24 11:37:20 PM #15:	Good, this kind of negligence that literally kills people should be treated much more seriously than it is across the country. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:978973773] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Good, this kind of negligence that literally kills people should be treated much more seriously than it is across the country.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaikyoStyle 02/21/24 11:39:37 PM #16:	StealThisSheen posted... Why do gun owners seem to have such a hard time securing their guns? Theyre crushed underneath the weight of how responsible they are as gun owners. --- Taxes, death, and trouble. Brunt/Gaila 2024. Make Ferenginar Great Again! <cite>SaikyoStyle posted [p:978973805] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted... </cite><quote>Why do gun owners seem to have such a hard time securing their guns?</quote>Theyre crushed underneath the weight of how responsible they are as gun owners. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeoRavus 02/21/24 11:50:38 PM #17:	This guy was a felon who wasn't supposed to have a gun in the first place. American rehabilitation at its finest --- This is where cool people write stuff. <cite>LeoRavus posted [p:978973917] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>This guy was a felon who wasn't supposed to have a gun in the first place. American rehabilitation at its finest </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 02/21/24 11:51:50 PM #18:	This needs to happen more often. And to people who leave their kids in car. --- If you say I am wrong, then prove that you are right. <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:978973932] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>This needs to happen more often. And to people who leave their kids in car. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/21/24 11:52:12 PM #19:	LeoRavus posted... This guy was a felon who wasn't supposed to have a gun in the first place. American rehabilitation at its finest This seems to happen a lot. Mass shooters who werent legally allowed to own a gun or were even on FBI watch lists. Why even fucking bother if its clearly toothless? --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978973939] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>LeoRavus posted... </cite><quote>This guy was a felon who wasn't supposed to have a gun in the first place. American rehabilitation at its finest</quote>This seems to happen a lot. Mass shooters who werent legally allowed to own a gun or were even on FBI watch lists. Why even fucking bother if its clearly toothless? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bfslick50 02/22/24 12:06:43 AM #20:	Dark_Arbron posted... This seems to happen a lot. Mass shooters who werent legally allowed to own a gun or were even on FBI watch lists. Why even fucking bother if its clearly toothless? A registration system would be nice, go to the person the gun was registered to and ask "what the fuck happened." Sometimes it was stolen in which case there should be a documented police report but a lot of times it was an irresponsible gun owner. Also there should be a greater effort to confiscate guns legally purchased before they got themselves placed on a list. --- "Something's wrong! Murder isn't working and that's all we're good at." ~Futurama <cite>bfslick50 posted [p:978974131] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>This seems to happen a lot. Mass shooters who werent legally allowed to own a gun or were even on FBI watch lists. Why even fucking bother if its clearly toothless?</quote>A registration system would be nice, go to the person the gun was registered to and ask "what the fuck happened." Sometimes it was stolen in which case there should be a documented police report but a lot of times it was an irresponsible gun owner. Also there should be a greater effort to confiscate guns legally purchased before they got themselves placed on a list. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thud 02/22/24 12:14:54 AM #21:	I have a lot, and I mean a LOT of guns, most are stored in a hidden room I made in my house. I do have a few handguns that basically live on my coffee tables/nightstands. But I don't have kids. If you have kids and guns, you're a goddam negligent FOOL if you don't secure then and deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law --- If anyone disparaged you the way you disparage yourself, I would wish to strike them with an axe <cite>Thud posted [p:978974233] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>I have a lot, and I mean a LOT of guns, most are stored in a hidden room I made in my house. I do have a few handguns that basically live on my coffee tables/nightstands. But I don't have kids. If you have kids and guns, you're a goddam negligent FOOL if you don't secure then and deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/22/24 12:19:03 AM #22:	Thud posted... I have a lot, and I mean a LOT of guns, most are stored in a hidden room I made in my house. I do have a few handguns that basically live on my coffee tables/nightstands. But I don't have kids. If you have kids and guns, you're a goddam negligent FOOL if you don't secure then and deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law This. People need to account for their household and the people in it before owning a gun. If you live alone, you should still keep it secure (in Australia youre legally required to), but at least you can be somewhat more lax since you know your kid or dementia-riddled grandfather is going to find it. When you have kids, thats a damn responsibility many people dont seem to understand. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978974273] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Thud posted... </cite><quote>I have a lot, and I mean a LOT of guns, most are stored in a hidden room I made in my house. I do have a few handguns that basically live on my coffee tables/nightstands. But I don't have kids. If you have kids and guns, you're a goddam negligent FOOL if you don't secure then and deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law</quote>This. People need to account for their household and the people in it before owning a gun. If you live alone, you should still keep it secure (in Australia youre legally required to), but at least you can be somewhat more lax since you know your kid or dementia-riddled grandfather is going to find it. When you have kids, thats a damn responsibility many people dont seem to understand. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thud 02/22/24 12:26:27 AM #23:	Dark_Arbron posted... This. People need to account for their household and the people in it before owning a gun. If you live alone, you should still keep it secure (in Australia youre legally required to), but at least you can be somewhat more lax since you know your kid or dementia-riddled grandfather is going to find it. When you have kids, thats a damn responsibility many people dont seem to understand. All it takes is a moment of negligence. When my nieces and nephews would come over I'd let them play in my toy room unsupervised, but I also made sure all guns were unloaded and secured behind a locked door with trigger locks. Took all of like 10 minutes tops to keep them safe and prevent a tragedy, it's not a tall fucking order by any means and beats a lifetime of regret --- If anyone disparaged you the way you disparage yourself, I would wish to strike them with an axe <cite>Thud posted [p:978974350] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>This. People need to account for their household and the people in it before owning a gun. If you live alone, you should still keep it secure (in Australia youre legally required to), but at least you can be somewhat more lax since you know your kid or dementia-riddled grandfather is going to find it. When you have kids, thats a damn responsibility many people dont seem to understand.</quote>All it takes is a moment of negligence. When my nieces and nephews would come over I'd let them play in my toy room unsupervised, but I also made sure all guns were unloaded and secured behind a locked door with trigger locks. Took all of like 10 minutes tops to keep them safe and prevent a tragedy, it's not a tall fucking order by any means and beats a lifetime of regret </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bfslick50 02/22/24 12:32:51 AM #24:	Thud posted... I have a lot, and I mean a LOT of guns, most are stored in a hidden room I made in my house. I do have a few handguns that basically live on my coffee tables/nightstands. But I don't have kids. If you have kids and guns, you're a goddam negligent FOOL if you don't secure then and deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law Locking up the guns before kids are around is important, but it's also the bare minimum. They should be secured regardless when you're not using them. A news story I remember from a couple years ago... two preteens run away, break into a house, easily find his guns and have a lengthy shootout with the police. On the one hand the statistical odds of that happening to you are extremely low. On the other hand, your guns should be more secure than your TV. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-children-14-12-ran-away-stole-guns-fired-deputies-n1269445 --- "Something's wrong! Murder isn't working and that's all we're good at." ~Futurama <cite>bfslick50 posted [p:978974408] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Thud posted... </cite><quote>I have a lot, and I mean a LOT of guns, most are stored in a hidden room I made in my house. I do have a few handguns that basically live on my coffee tables/nightstands.But I don't have kids.If you have kids and guns, you're a goddam negligent FOOL if you don't secure then and deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law</quote>Locking up the guns before kids are around is important, but it's also the bare minimum. They should be secured regardless when you're not using them. A news story I remember from a couple years ago... two preteens run away, break into a house, easily find his guns and have a lengthy shootout with the police. On the one hand the statistical odds of that happening to you are extremely low. On the other hand, your guns should be more secure than your TV.https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-children-14-12-ran-away-stole-guns-fired-deputies-n1269445 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OriginalPlain2 02/22/24 12:37:52 AM #25:	That is honestly terrifying and dont even want to think about that and the girls in critical condition, hopefully shell make a full recovery --- 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? <cite>OriginalPlain2 posted [p:978974446] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>That is honestly terrifying and dont even want to think about that and the girls in critical condition, hopefully shell make a full recovery </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thud 02/22/24 12:46:05 AM #26:	bfslick50 posted... Locking up the guns before kids are around is important, but it's also the bare minimum. They should be secured regardless when you're not using them. A news story I remember from a couple years ago... two preteens run away, break into a house, easily find his guns and have a lengthy shootout with the police. On the one hand the statistical odds of that happening to you are extremely low. On the other hand, your guns should be more secure than your TV. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-children-14-12-ran-away-stole-guns-fired-deputies-n1269445 Yeah if that happens they earned that shit. There's very rarely not someone in the house (fiancee works from home) but when the house is unoccupied I take my EDC with me and the other two would take some effort to find (its a huge house) especially while my dogs are using them as a chew toy. Plus I live next to a police station so yeah nobody is breaking into my house and if they did it would def be immediate regret lol --- If anyone disparaged you the way you disparage yourself, I would wish to strike them with an axe <cite>Thud posted [p:978974537] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>bfslick50 posted... </cite><quote>Locking up the guns before kids are around is important, but it's also the bare minimum. They should be secured regardless when you're not using them. A news story I remember from a couple years ago... two preteens run away, break into a house, easily find his guns and have a lengthy shootout with the police. On the one hand the statistical odds of that happening to you are extremely low. On the other hand, your guns should be more secure than your TV.https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-children-14-12-ran-away-stole-guns-fired-deputies-n1269445</quote>Yeah if that happens they earned that shit. There's very rarely not someone in the house (fiancee works from home) but when the house is unoccupied I take my EDC with me and the other two would take some effort to find (its a huge house) especially while my dogs are using them as a chew toy. Plus I live next to a police station so yeah nobody is breaking into my house and if they did it would def be immediate regret lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nocturnal_traveler 02/22/24 12:58:10 AM #27:	Normally the guilt of such an act would be an extra pile to the punishment. But this piece of shit pleaded not guilty. Hopefully he gets shamed by the inmates. --- --I understand your opinion. I just don't care about it. ~Jedah-- <cite>nocturnal_traveler posted [p:978974662] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Normally the guilt of such an act would be an extra pile to the punishment. But this piece of shit pleaded not guilty. Hopefully he gets shamed by the inmates. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/22/24 1:05:20 AM #28:	nocturnal_traveler posted... Normally the guilt of such an act would be an extra pile to the punishment. But this piece of shit pleaded not guilty. Hopefully he gets shamed by the inmates. Thats a big thing too. Pleading guilty and working with the support offered by the system is a far better look than denial. (And of course hopefully it also means youre genuine about realising you fucked up and learning from it.) --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978974727] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>nocturnal_traveler posted... </cite><quote>Normally the guilt of such an act would be an extra pile to the punishment. But this piece of shit pleaded not guilty. Hopefully he gets shamed by the inmates.</quote>Thats a big thing too. Pleading guilty and working with the support offered by the system is a far better look than denial. (And of course hopefully it also means youre genuine about realising you fucked up and learning from it.) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boomgetchopped3 02/22/24 1:11:42 AM #29:	Thats awful. Obviously not locking up your guns is stupid but personally I could never keep guns in the house for this reason, even if I had a safe. My son would find a way into the safe. Hes observant and fascinated by anything off limits to him. --- More to do with the humidity than heat <cite>boomgetchopped3 posted [p:978974789] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Thats awful. Obviously not locking up your guns is stupid but personally I could never keep guns in the house for this reason, even if I had a safe. My son would find a way into the safe. Hes observant and fascinated by anything off limits to him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/22/24 1:13:18 AM #30:	boomgetchopped3 posted... Thats awful. Obviously not locking up your guns is stupid but personally I could never keep guns in the house for this reason, even if I had a safe. My son would find a way into the safe. Hes observant and fascinated by anything off limits to him. Id also educate him on the topic. How old is he? A little safety advice couldnt hurt. (and no, anti-gun fanatics, that isnt indoctrinating kids to guns.) --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978974807] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>boomgetchopped3 posted... </cite><quote>Thats awful. Obviously not locking up your guns is stupid but personally I could never keep guns in the house for this reason, even if I had a safe. My son would find a way into the safe. Hes observant and fascinated by anything off limits to him.</quote>Id also educate him on the topic. How old is he? A little safety advice couldnt hurt.(and no, anti-gun fanatics, that isnt indoctrinating kids to guns.) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 02/22/24 1:27:20 AM #31:	StealThisSheen posted... Why do gun owners seem to have such a hard time securing their guns? It's a mystery. I keep hearing about all these responsible gun owners and self defence, yet a gun in the house is far more likely to injure or kill a family member than an intruder. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:978974944] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted... </cite><quote>Why do gun owners seem to have such a hard time securing their guns?</quote>It's a mystery.I keep hearing about all these responsible gun owners and self defence, yet a gun in the house is far more likely to injure or kill a family member than an intruder. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyborgSage00x0 02/22/24 1:32:04 AM #32:	Good, throw the book at him. --- PotD's resident Film Expert. <cite>CyborgSage00x0 posted [p:978974985] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Good, throw the book at him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
loafy013 02/22/24 2:17:07 AM #33:	StealThisSheen posted... Why do gun owners seem to have such a hard time securing their guns? Because if you listen to them, they all live in dangerous neighborhoods and have their houses broken into at least once a week. If it's secured, they will be killed. --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. <cite>loafy013 posted [p:978975327] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted... </cite><quote>Why do gun owners seem to have such a hard time securing their guns?</quote>Because if you listen to them, they all live in dangerous neighborhoods and have their houses broken into at least once a week. If it's secured, they will be killed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/22/24 2:20:33 AM #34:	ai123 posted... It's a mystery. I keep hearing about all these responsible gun owners and self defence, yet a gun in the house is far more likely to injure or kill a family member than an intruder. The ones who do the right thing never come up in the news because incidents like this dont happen to them. There are a lot of idiots, but just as many if not more sensible gun owners. And theyre usually the ones who support gun reform. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978975357] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>It's a mystery.I keep hearing about all these responsible gun owners and self defence, yet a gun in the house is far more likely to injure or kill a family member than an intruder.</quote>The ones who do the right thing never come up in the news because incidents like this dont happen to them. There are a lot of idiots, but just as many if not more sensible gun owners.And theyre usually the ones who support gun reform. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC 02/22/24 2:28:12 AM #35:	Dark_Arbron posted... This seems to happen a lot. Mass shooters who werent legally allowed to own a gun or were even on FBI watch lists. Why even fucking bother if its clearly toothless? It's only that they can't buy from a certified dealer. They could still do a 'private' sale. --- The world may be going to Hell, but I am personally awash with convenience. <cite>DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC posted [p:978975408] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>This seems to happen a lot. Mass shooters who werent legally allowed to own a gun or were even on FBI watch lists. Why even fucking bother if its clearly toothless?</quote>It's only that they can't buy from a certified dealer. They could still do a 'private' sale. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bfslick50 02/22/24 9:29:33 PM #36:	loafy013 posted... Because if you listen to them, they all live in dangerous neighborhoods and have their houses broken into at least once a week. If it's secured, they will be killed. That is the catch 22 of being a gun owner. If someone breaks into your house while youre sleeping, a well secured gun probably isnt going to be reached in time. Yet from a probability standpoint an immature kid getting it is far more likely than a home invasion. When I was new to these boards I tried making a topic bout that question and just got roasted, maybe teach your kids to use them responsibly. Now that Im a parent and a teacher I know even the most responsible kid doesnt have a perfect track record. A kid getting it is the more likely scenario and the one more likely to end in death. Dont get me wrong, home invasions are dangerous but most want to steal your shit and get out without alerting or harming everyone whereas the game treating the gun as a toy is more likely to end terribly. --- "Something's wrong! Murder isn't working and that's all we're good at." ~Futurama <cite>bfslick50 posted [p:978991291] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>loafy013 posted... </cite><quote>Because if you listen to them, they all live in dangerous neighborhoods and have their houses broken into at least once a week. If it's secured, they will be killed.</quote>That is the catch 22 of being a gun owner. If someone breaks into your house while youre sleeping, a well secured gun probably isnt going to be reached in time. Yet from a probability standpoint an immature kid getting it is far more likely than a home invasion.When I was new to these boards I tried making a topic bout that question and just got roasted, maybe teach your kids to use them responsibly. Now that Im a parent and a teacher I know even the most responsible kid doesnt have a perfect track record. A kid getting it is the more likely scenario and the one more likely to end in death. Dont get me wrong, home invasions are dangerous but most want to steal your shit and get out without alerting or harming everyone whereas the game treating the gun as a toy is more likely to end terribly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 02/22/24 9:44:13 PM #37:	Fair next. For people saying its hard to reach a secured weapon I have a beretta locked in a case under the bed that takes me literal seconds to reach and open Thats just an excuse of shitty gun owners <cite>Axiom posted [p:978991516] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Fair next. For people saying its hard to reach a secured weapon I have a beretta locked in a case under the bed that takes me literal seconds to reach and openThats just an excuse of shitty gun owners</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nocturnal_traveler 02/22/24 10:30:41 PM #38:	Axiom posted... Fair next. For people saying its hard to reach a secured weapon I have a beretta locked in a case under the bed that takes me literal seconds to reach and open Thats just an excuse of shitty gun owners I was thinking the same thing. Unless the person wants to use a shotgun. Then they might need a custom safe. --- --I understand your opinion. I just don't care about it. ~Jedah-- <cite>nocturnal_traveler posted [p:978992236] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Axiom posted... </cite><quote>Fair next. For people saying its hard to reach a secured weapon I have a beretta locked in a case under the bed that takes me literal seconds to reach and openThats just an excuse of shitty gun owners</quote>I was thinking the same thing. Unless the person wants to use a shotgun. Then they might need a custom safe. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TyVulpine 02/24/24 1:00:27 PM #40:	darkace77450 posted... https://apnews.com/article/michigan-firearm-saf-a38c8e01fff0bb70e90b9985d5bd4150 I didn't even know Michigan passed such a law. Michigan Dems continue getting shit done. To think we could have a federal equivalent if the Republican Party wasn't beholden to the NRA. Expect Republicans to file for an injunction to the law to screw people.... --- Insert some witty line here <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:979019352] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>darkace77450 posted... </cite><quote>https://apnews.com/article/michigan-firearm-saf-a38c8e01fff0bb70e90b9985d5bd4150I didn't even know Michigan passed such a law. Michigan Dems continue getting shit done. To think we could have a federal equivalent if the Republican Party wasn't beholden to the NRA.</quote>Expect Republicans to file for an injunction to the law to screw people.... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 02/24/24 1:08:42 PM #41:	Fair, next. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:979019464] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Fair, next. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thud 02/24/24 1:30:59 PM #42:	Axiom posted... Fair next. For people saying its hard to reach a secured weapon I have a beretta locked in a case under the bed that takes me literal seconds to reach and open Thats just an excuse of shitty gun owners Seconds is all it takes to lose your life. Someone breaks in your home and you don't wake up until they're in your bedroom or standing over you with a gun drawn on you saying "give me your shit NOW" and that locked Beretta is absolutely useless and you're now at their mercy. --- If anyone disparaged you the way you disparage yourself, I would wish to strike them with an axe <cite>Thud posted [p:979019782] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Axiom posted... </cite><quote>Fair next. For people saying its hard to reach a secured weapon I have a beretta locked in a case under the bed that takes me literal seconds to reach and openThats just an excuse of shitty gun owners</quote>Seconds is all it takes to lose your life. Someone breaks in your home and you don't wake up until they're in your bedroom or standing over you with a gun drawn on you saying "give me your shit NOW" and that locked Beretta is absolutely useless and you're now at their mercy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 02/24/24 1:38:46 PM #43:	Thud posted... Seconds is all it takes to lose your life. Someone breaks in your home and you don't wake up until they're in your bedroom or standing over you with a gun drawn on you saying "give me your shit NOW" and that locked Beretta is absolutely useless and you're now at their mercy. More shootings are a result of people shooting a family member than a stranger breaking into the home. --- Insert some witty line here <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:979019883] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Thud posted... </cite><quote>Seconds is all it takes to lose your life. Someone breaks in your home and you don't wake up until they're in your bedroom or standing over you with a gun drawn on you saying "give me your shit NOW" and that locked Beretta is absolutely useless and you're now at their mercy.</quote>More shootings are a result of people shooting a family member than a stranger breaking into the home. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thud 02/24/24 1:40:52 PM #44:	TyVulpine posted... More shootings are a result of people shooting a family member than a stranger breaking into the home. I won't argue that statistic, other than not leaving guns out IF you have kids/dependant adults in the home and knowing what you're shooting at before firing makes that completely preventable. But it in no way invalidates my point. --- If anyone disparaged you the way you disparage yourself, I would wish to strike them with an axe <cite>Thud posted [p:979019915] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted... </cite><quote>More shootings are a result of people shooting a family member than a stranger breaking into the home.</quote>I won't argue that statistic, other than not leaving guns out IF you have kids/dependant adults in the home and knowing what you're shooting at before firing makes that completely preventable. But it in no way invalidates my point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bfslick50 02/24/24 1:45:34 PM #45:	Thud posted... Seconds is all it takes to lose your life. Someone breaks in your home and you don't wake up until they're in your bedroom or standing over you with a gun drawn on you saying "give me your shit NOW" and that locked Beretta is absolutely useless and you're now at their mercy. If hes already standing over you with a gun drawn then an unsecured gun is as equally unhelpful as a locked one. In fact in that scenario hes likely holding your gun against you. --- "Something's wrong! Murder isn't working and that's all we're good at." ~Futurama <cite>bfslick50 posted [p:979019985] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Thud posted... </cite><quote>Seconds is all it takes to lose your life. Someone breaks in your home and you don't wake up until they're in your bedroom or standing over you with a gun drawn on you saying "give me your shit NOW" and that locked Beretta is absolutely useless and you're now at their mercy.</quote>If hes already standing over you with a gun drawn then an unsecured gun is as equally unhelpful as a locked one. In fact in that scenario hes likely holding your gun against you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thud 02/24/24 1:47:52 PM #46:	bfslick50 posted... If hes already standing over you with a gun drawn then an unsecured gun is as equally unhelpful as a locked one. In fact in that scenario hes likely holding your gun against you. Whoosh You at least have a chance if your gun is next to you in a nightstand vs locked in a box under the bed --- If anyone disparaged you the way you disparage yourself, I would wish to strike them with an axe <cite>Thud posted [p:979020009] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>bfslick50 posted... </cite><quote>If hes already standing over you with a gun drawn then an unsecured gun is as equally unhelpful as a locked one. In fact in that scenario hes likely holding your gun against you.</quote> WhooshYou at least have a chance if your gun is next to you in a nightstand vs locked in a box under the bed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranAures 02/24/24 1:49:38 PM #47:	bfslick50 posted... If hes already standing over you with a gun drawn then an unsecured gun is as equally unhelpful as a locked one. In fact in that scenario hes likely holding your gun against you. Bingo. But easier access will totally help him in that strange scenario and totally worth a child killing themselves with his unsecured gun. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. <cite>GranAures posted [p:979020043] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>bfslick50 posted... </cite><quote>If hes already standing over you with a gun drawn then an unsecured gun is as equally unhelpful as a locked one. In fact in that scenario hes likely holding your gun against you.</quote>Bingo.But easier access will totally help him in that strange scenario and totally worth a child killing themselves with his unsecured gun. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thud 02/24/24 1:51:27 PM #48:	GranAures posted... Bingo. But easier access will totally help him in that strange scenario and totally worth a child killing themselves with his unsecured gun. There's no children in my home so your point is moot. Gee, it's almost like everyone's situation is different or something. Plus I already said I have a knife closer by, gee it's almost as if people sometimes train, have multiple options, and adjust accordingly for the situation --- If anyone disparaged you the way you disparage yourself, I would wish to strike them with an axe <cite>Thud posted [p:979020062] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>GranAures posted... </cite><quote>Bingo.But easier access will totally help him in that strange scenario and totally worth a child killing themselves with his unsecured gun.</quote>There's no children in my home so your point is moot. Gee, it's almost like everyone's situation is different or something. Plus I already said I have a knife closer by, gee it's almost as if people sometimes train, have multiple options, and adjust accordingly for the situation </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranAures 02/24/24 1:56:30 PM #49:	Yes dear, we know. You'll totally grab your gun with one pointed at you so there is never any need to actually follow basic gun safety and secure it. And your situation matters very little when you try to argue in support of leaving a firearm unsecured against others by trying to paint a scenario where their unsecured firearm is still inaccessible. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. <cite>GranAures posted [p:979020128] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>Yes dear, we know. You'll totally grab your gun with one pointed at you so there is never any need to actually follow basic gun safety and secure it.And your situation matters very little when you try to argue in support of leaving a firearm unsecured against others by trying to paint a scenario where their unsecured firearm is still inaccessible. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thud 02/24/24 1:58:29 PM #50:	GranAures posted... Yes dear, we know. You'll totally grab your gun with one pointed at you so there is never any need to actually follow basic gun safety and secure it. Ok, dear, as I've said multiple times there are no children or dependent adults in my home. So please explain to me why I should put myself at a huge disadvantage by locking up my gun at night for basically no reason? --- If anyone disparaged you the way you disparage yourself, I would wish to strike them with an axe <cite>Thud posted [p:979020152] in Michigan d... [t:80702637]...</cite> <quote>GranAures posted... </cite><quote>Yes dear, we know. You'll totally grab your gun with one pointed at you so there is never any need to actually follow basic gun safety and secure it.</quote> Ok, dear, as I've said multiple times there are no children or dependent adults in my home. So please explain to me why I should put myself at a huge disadvantage by locking up my gun at night for basically no reason? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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