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Jupiter
02/21/24 11:50:37 AM
#151:


voldothegr8 posted...
Calls the game remake.

Gives the player an eighth of the original.
Remake is a subtitle in the same sense that Rebirth is the subtitle to the sequel. Hence it not being called Remake part 2. The Remake trilogy is its own thing and although it's based on the story of the original game, it is NOT the original game. Which is why Rebirth will have NEW locations not in the original game.

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Hayame_Zero
02/21/24 11:52:14 AM
#152:


I still like the original, but a 1:1 remake of it would be so boring. I love what they're doing with it now.

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NoxObscuras
02/21/24 11:53:03 AM
#153:


BakonBitz posted...
It's a system that needs to either be reformed or to stop, honestly. Otherwise it's gonna cause the AAA market to crash.

It's going to cause a lot of markets to crash. Wanting constant growth is unsustainable long term. Yet a lot of companies are trying to do that

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Sonixs
02/21/24 12:00:12 PM
#154:


Hayame_Zero posted...
I still like the original, but a 1:1 remake of it would be so boring. I love what they're doing with it now.

I love the revisionist history of people convincing themselves they didn't want a 1:1 remake when that's all anyone asked for.
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Murphiroth
02/21/24 12:01:46 PM
#155:


Sonixs posted...
I love the revisionist history of people convincing themselves they didn't want a 1:1 remake when that's all anyone asked for.

Yeah man absolutely no one wanted anything different and them expressing their opinions that differ from yours is definitely revisionist history.

Fuck outta here with that laughably arrogant horseshit.
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Jupiter
02/21/24 12:02:17 PM
#156:


Sonixs posted...
I love the revisionist history of people convincing themselves they didn't want a 1:1 remake when that's all anyone asked for.
Yes, because people are a monolith.

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voldothegr8
02/21/24 12:13:48 PM
#157:


Sonixs posted...
I love the revisionist history of people convincing themselves they didn't want a 1:1 remake when that's all anyone asked for.
People are still asking for it lol. You hear all the time "I'll wait until the version comes out where it's all one playable game"

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BakonBitz
02/21/24 12:23:20 PM
#158:


voldothegr8 posted...
People are still asking for it lol. You hear all the time "I'll wait until the version comes out where it's all one playable game"
Ever Crisis could've been this but they screwed it up by being a gacha game.

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PraetorXyn
02/21/24 12:36:43 PM
#159:


Hayame_Zero posted...
I still like the original, but a 1:1 remake of it would be so boring. I love what they're doing with it now.
I think changing up the story is great, as its not like seeing Aerith die for the hundredth time really has any emotional impact at that point, so keeping her alive to use and playing with the story sounds fun.

Im just not a fan of running it into the ground which is all I can imagine turning one game into 50+ hour games to be. Im sick of most games well before 100 hours and completing them feels like a chore.

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BakonBitz
02/21/24 1:19:22 PM
#160:


I'm conflicted about the whole thing. I would've absolutely loved just a standard remake of FFVII as a single game. They could go with some minor changes here and there, on the scale of like...a modern Mana game like Visions.

But...what they're doing with the Remake trilogy now is visually and conceptually interesting. They're attempting to make a familiar story more exciting and unpredictable for veterans and newcomers alike and I can't help but get engaged with the mystery of wtf they're doing. Of course, if by the end they mess up the story severely I'll not be happy, but the way the characters are written to be mostly faithful to the OG compared to their butchered Compilation versions, and not even getting to how sick I personally find the combat gameplay to be (especially Rebirth, god damn), it's a great time playing them.

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Mad-Dogg
02/21/24 8:54:01 PM
#161:


Sonixs posted...
I love the revisionist history of people convincing themselves they didn't want a 1:1 remake when that's all anyone asked for.
Thankfully we are all not a hive-mind, because I enjoyed practically every single thing they did with FF7 remake with my main hang-up being I am still waiting and seeing where the whisper thing is going in the grand-scheme. Familiar setting, familiar characters, new situations and a way better battle system. (And I will never pretend otherwise. FF7 remake ATB/action, the weapon and materia system is better than the original's in everyway).

I'm the type of guy that prefers that all my classic childhood and teenage favorite games get a huge effort type of remake in comparison to something more simple. Even trials of mana's more modest remake was pretty sweet to me.

I think the ones that play it safe like star ocean 2 R and switch's super mario RPG is nice for what they are, but if I had the option for grand big-budget go all out remake for old rpgs like star ocean 2, tales of phantasia, shin megami tensei 1, parasite eve, breath of fire 1 and phantasy star 4 I'm taking the big-budget, ambitious for better or for worse yolo option every single time.

I have always operated on the mentality that my childhood/teenage favorites.....those old games will always be there to play when I crave the nostalgia. Even if its by emulator, I will always have OG FF7 available to me. I have played something like chrono trigger straight up like 20 times.....give me this crazy gorgeous, big-budget cel-shaded bat-shit dual tech's out the ass unreal engine 5 chrono trigger plz.

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BakonBitz
02/21/24 9:54:23 PM
#162:


To be honest, while I'm not gonna spoil anything specific (and I don't know everything about the game) but it honestly seems like the only reason they did the Whispers was so they could find a story reason to bring Zack back from the dead due to his popularity, lol.

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Red_XIV
02/21/24 9:56:17 PM
#163:


SilvosForever posted...
Ok but do you realize.........it's not the PS1 version of the game.
Your point? It's still weird that it's split into 3 games like this.

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Baha05
02/21/24 10:02:51 PM
#164:


Red_XIV posted...
Your point? It's still weird that it's split into 3 games like this.
Not if they have a story to tell

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Aysander
02/21/24 10:18:08 PM
#165:


Red_XIV posted...
Your point? It's still weird that it's split into 3 games like this.

Not really.

As someone who's played and beaten the original a solid five times, I think there is a huge benefit of doing it this way.

That benefit is more breathing room for the characters. People are always attempting to praise the OG for it's characters and scripting, which has always been weird to me because they're just not that great in the grand scheme of things. Other titles out around the same time did better at scratching the narrative itch.

Remake comparatively breathed a lot more life into Midgar itself, the people that live there, and even made Shinra a little bit more memorable as villains outside of just being "Big megacorp bad" (Try to insist with any degree that Shinra 'had character', especially with dialogue-related evidence, and I can almost guarantee you it's either from extended material or FF7 Machinabridged and not OG FF7).

And Rebirth is looking to be a continuation of the same, putting care and effort into fleshing out the areas we journeyed to in the OG as well as taking a new spin on things.

I am looking at it less as "A single game being split into three parts", but akin to something like the Trails series - the Cold Steel arc in particular - where the multiple games are necessitated for narrative purposes.

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Rika_Furude
02/21/24 10:33:22 PM
#166:


Red_XIV posted...
Your point? It's still weird that it's split into 3 games like this.
you do realize lots of games release as trilogies, have sequels, the concept even predates gaming and movies etc. you are trying to complain about nothing, for no reason
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ssk9716757
02/21/24 10:37:33 PM
#167:


They could've made two brand new FF games in that time but instead we have to retread a dumb, bloated multiverse version of FF7. Square has lost the plot.

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PraetorXyn
02/21/24 10:53:36 PM
#168:


ssk9716757 posted...
They could've made two brand new FF games in that time but instead we have to retread a dumb, bloated multiverse version of FF7. Square has lost the plot.
This is why on the one hand I would kill for a Xenogears remake with a proper second half, but on the other, I dont trust SE not to fuck it up and make some glorified tech demo with Devil May Cry combat and more cutscenes than Metal Gear Solid.

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BakonBitz
02/21/24 11:21:08 PM
#169:


ssk9716757 posted...
They could've made two brand new FF games in that time but instead we have to retread a dumb, bloated multiverse version of FF7. Square has lost the plot.
Well, they do have multiple teams who can work on mainline FF. They were just in a really stupid rut for the past like, decade or so.

Gonna be honest though, I kinda want the FFVII Remake devs working on a new game. The stuff they're doing for Rebirth is beyond cool with customizability and gameplay variety.

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Sonixs
02/22/24 8:01:00 AM
#170:


Murphiroth posted...
Yeah man absolutely no one wanted anything different and them expressing their opinions that differ from yours is definitely revisionist history.

Fuck outta here with that laughably arrogant horseshit.

Please. Were you even around in 05 when everyone began asking for a remake? Nobody said "man I sure hope we get a game that's so different from the original."

It's like everyone forgot what it was like after that PS3 tech demo.
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Sonixs
02/22/24 8:02:22 AM
#171:


voldothegr8 posted...
People are still asking for it lol. You hear all the time "I'll wait until the version comes out where it's all one playable game"

According to the two weirdos above your post, that's not what people asked for.
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Murphiroth
02/22/24 8:33:28 AM
#172:


Sonixs posted...
Please. Were you even around in 05 when everyone began asking for a remake? Nobody said "man I sure hope we get a game that's so different from the original."

It's like everyone forgot what it was like after that PS3 tech demo.

Older than you kiddo.
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Jupiter
02/22/24 9:03:52 AM
#173:


Sonixs posted...
According to the two weirdos above your post, that's not what people asked for.
Clearly you have comprehension problems. I never said nobody asked for that. I said people aren't a monolith. Which means different people want different things. I never asked for a FF7 remake period. Some people did. Some people didn't. Some people wanted a 1:1 remake. Some people wanted change. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand different people want different things.

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chrono625
02/22/24 1:57:44 PM
#174:


I was looking forward to a 1:1 remake with next gen graphics and was extremely satisfied and happy we got what we got.

as others have stated, the remake gave us far more context and depth with the cast.

when its all said and done; with the 3 releases, no ones going to give a fuck that it was 3 separate titles.

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Red_XIV
02/22/24 6:37:15 PM
#175:


Rika_Furude posted...
you do realize lots of games release as trilogies, have sequels, the concept even predates gaming and movies etc. you are trying to complain about nothing, for no reason
I'm not saying I mind, I'm saying it's usual to turn a remake of a single game into a trilogy.

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Baha05
02/22/24 6:42:17 PM
#176:


Red_XIV posted...
I'm not saying I mind, I'm saying it's usual to turn a remake of a single game into a trilogy.
Yeah but most remakes are not as expanded on like FFVII is

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R_Jackal
02/22/24 10:05:55 PM
#177:


Baha05 posted...
Yeah but most remakes are not as expanded on like FFVII is
Is it? The story beats are largely the same time wise I believe, the padded out side content is what boosts the time.
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Rika_Furude
02/22/24 11:07:02 PM
#178:


R_Jackal posted...
Is it? The story beats are largely the same time wise I believe, the padded out side content is what boosts the time.
how is expanding the content not expanding the game?
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R_Jackal
02/22/24 11:33:10 PM
#179:


Rika_Furude posted...
how is expanding the content not expanding the game?
It's almost exclusively pointless fluff created with zero respect for your time.
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Rika_Furude
02/22/24 11:38:00 PM
#180:


R_Jackal posted...
It's almost exclusively pointless fluff created with zero respect for your time.
according to R_Jackal

if people other than you didn't like it, people other than you wouldn't play it
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R_Jackal
02/22/24 11:43:40 PM
#181:


Rika_Furude posted...
according to R_Jackal

if people other than you didn't like it, people other than you wouldn't play it
This is a serious contender for the most pointless post I've seen. Who else's opinion am I supposed to state except mine?

And stats wise, it says less than a quarter platinum the game. Little over half even clear the story. I doubt I'm alone in that sentiment, granted I could be, and I would still be fine with that. That's just the PS stats, too.

Edit: on steam, less than a third get through the main story and 1.7% complete it all, looks like.
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Baha05
02/22/24 11:56:25 PM
#182:


R_Jackal posted...
It's almost exclusively pointless fluff created with zero respect for your time.
I guess its easy to ignore the character development and world building eh?

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R_Jackal
02/22/24 11:59:48 PM
#183:


Baha05 posted...
I guess its easy to ignore the character development and world building eh?
If you can't fit character development in to the main story you're a failure of a writer. I don't really care about the character development of random NPC #47 though.

And the world building in this game is absolute garbage unless you've followed pretty much every other FF7 piece of media available.
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Baha05
02/23/24 12:10:49 AM
#184:


R_Jackal posted...
If you can't fit character development in to the main story you're a failure of a writer. I don't really care about the character development of random NPC #47 though.

And the world building in this game is absolute garbage unless you've followed pretty much every other FF7 piece of media available.
That just comes off as arrogant as all hell dude.

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Rika_Furude
02/23/24 12:19:54 AM
#185:


R_Jackal posted...
This is a serious contender for the most pointless post I've seen. Who else's opinion am I supposed to state except mine?

And stats wise, it says less than a quarter platinum the game. Little over half even clear the story. I doubt I'm alone in that sentiment, granted I could be, and I would still be fine with that. That's just the PS stats, too.

Edit: on steam, less than a third get through the main story and 1.7% complete it all, looks like.
When youre questioning if the game is expanded at all despite you ignoring all the expansion to the game, what else am I supposed to do other than point out the flaws in your opinion?
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Mad-Dogg
02/23/24 12:19:59 AM
#186:


R_Jackal posted...
Is it? The story beats are largely the same time wise I believe, the padded out side content is what boosts the time.
It is.

Certain people need to get it through their minds that final fantasy 7 remake is not the same game as the original. What certain people call "padding" is a legitimate part of the experience in this new telling of the classic story. Chapter 15's climb to shinra tower and everything that comes with this with character development between cloud, tifa and barret (this is no bull-shit my favorite chapter of the game. Everything with the reflection of the chaos that just went down and dealing with that valkyrie just clicked with me), cloud and aerith's little awkward trip through the abandoned highway in chapter 9 I think it was, and the trip through hojo's fun house in chapter 17 all does their job with expanding the world building, the lore, the characters etc.

The only area of FF7 remake I can agree with it being unneeded is the second sewer trip in chapter 14. We could have did without that I agree......should have made that a alternate don corneo compound you have to raid for leslie or something compared to sewers round 2.

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pegusus123456
02/23/24 12:20:35 AM
#187:


R_Jackal posted...
And the world building in this game is absolute garbage unless you've followed pretty much every other FF7 piece of media available.
The original FF7 was the only thing I played before this one and I thought it was great.

And there's definite padding in the game, that I won't deny, but it's not nearly to the extent that people claim. There's legitimate character development that was not in the original because the standards for writing in video games have just changed. Like the scene where the Turks talk about regretting their role in having the plate fall is a great way of fleshing them out, but that obviously wasn't in the original.

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R_Jackal
02/23/24 12:22:06 AM
#188:


Baha05 posted...
That just comes off as arrogant as all hell dude.
I'm a writing snob and I don't think I've ever hidden that, really. FF7Remake is basically a fanfiction tier mess on the writing front.
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Baha05
02/23/24 12:28:13 AM
#189:


R_Jackal posted...
I'm a writing snob and I don't think I've ever hidden that, really. FF7Remake is basically a fanfiction tier mess on the writing front.
So the standard JRPG story.

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legendary_zell
02/23/24 12:39:01 AM
#190:


I'm not sure how it would've been feasible to make one game with as much content as Remake, Rebirth, and the third game will have in any kind of timely manner. That almost assuredly would've turned into vaporware and would've become outdated in the course of making it. Doing it this way allows them to improve on each iteration, to make each one a full fledged game, and probably to finish the game without it taking 7 years.

I would be mad if we were paying $180/$210 for three incomplete games in terms of things to do. But each game is easily $60 worth of content.

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R_Jackal
02/23/24 12:44:09 AM
#191:


Baha05 posted...
So the standard JRPG story.
The ones I play are usually less battle shonen tier writing, but I guess in the grand scheme of things.

Rika_Furude posted...
When youre questioning if the game is expanded at all despite you ignoring all the expansion to the game, what else am I supposed to do other than point out the flaws in your opinion?
I'm questioning the value in those expansions. I can stuff a pillow until I can no longer put my head on it while lying down, but that doesn't mean I've done something meaningful.
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Baha05
02/23/24 12:46:06 AM
#192:


R_Jackal posted...
The ones I play are usually less battle shonen tier writing, but I guess in the grand scheme of things.

I'm questioning the value in those expansions. I can stuff a pillow until I can no longer put my head on it while lying down, but that doesn't mean I've done something meaningful.
Yeah thats not what your post read as.

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R_Jackal
02/23/24 12:52:52 AM
#193:


Baha05 posted...
Yeah thats not what your post read as.
Fine, to alliterate better... An average playthrough of FF7 ran about 40 to 60 hours, I would say?

Pretty sure my first run through Remake i hit about 25ish hours on strictly main quest stuff, essentially. So across three games I would wager the time to complete won't be terribly different for a story run.

So the question is "did they expand the game?" And to me, the answer is no, not really. They've simply modernized or altered, not expanded.
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Baha05
02/23/24 12:55:20 AM
#194:


R_Jackal posted...
Fine, to alliterate better... An average playthrough of FF7 ran about 40 to 60 hours, I would say?

Pretty sure my first run through Remake i hit about 25ish hours on strictly main quest stuff, essentially. So across three games I would wager the time to complete won't be terribly different for a story run.

So the question is "did they expand the game?" And to me, the answer is no, not really. They've simply modernized or altered, not expanded.
But that would still be wrong because of the fact that expanding something isnt necessarily a time based thing. Because again story and characters were developed more and expanded on.

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R_Jackal
02/23/24 1:02:26 AM
#195:


Baha05 posted...
But that would still be wrong because of the fact that expanding something isnt necessarily a time based thing. Because again story and characters were developed more and expanded on.
They seem more or less authentic to their previous iterations to me, just modernized for storytelling today. Side characters got a bit more attention, but it ultimately didn't amount to anything in the Remake honestly, maybe it will in Rebirth.

What they did with remake just failed to impress me in any way on the storytelling front, though. Character development by today's standards was just as barebones as FF7s was for it's time, in retrospect.
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Red_XIV
02/23/24 1:02:31 AM
#196:


R_Jackal posted...
It's almost exclusively pointless fluff created with zero respect for your time.
If you don't want side content, why are you playing RPGs?

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R_Jackal
02/23/24 1:08:26 AM
#197:


Red_XIV posted...
If you don't want side content, why are you playing RPGs?
I like side content done well, I don't like side content done poorly. I love RPGs in general. The useless side quest padding is basically just a recent trend though, since companies tried stuffing MMORPG quests in to everything.

Most RPGs would have barely a handful of hidden quest lines and the main story in the past.
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BearlyWilling
02/23/24 1:52:29 AM
#198:


Murphiroth posted...
First game was fantastic and the second looks to be the same.

Stay mad about it I guess?


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BigB0ss13
02/23/24 1:58:47 AM
#199:


TMOG posted...
People are still whining about this?


People like to get screwed by evil companies?
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Baha05
02/23/24 2:01:53 AM
#200:


BigB0ss13 posted...
People like to get screwed by evil companies?
Define evil here.

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