Current Events > Final Fantasy 7 chopped up in 3 parts, released over 8 years.

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R_Jackal posted...

SE were the ones who kicked off the 70USD game bullshit, too.

The price of games going up a little bit after literal decades at a consistent price is not bullshit.

Are people really complaining about game development time post-covid

This is why I'm waiting for the PS7 Final Fantasy VII Complete Intergrade 2.8 Final Mix ReReRemaster Definitive Edition.

CM_Ponch posted...

Are people really complaining about game development time post-covid

Yes hell people keep making this poor joke too.

Strider102 posted...

This is why I'm waiting for the PS7 Final Fantasy VII Complete Intergrade 2.8 Final Mix ReReRemaster Definitive Edition.

Tenlaar posted...

The price of games going up a little bit after literal decades at a consistent price is not bullshit.

Sure it is. It only happened because game publishers overexpanded during the pandemic and didn't think there would be back swing. They laid people off en masse, failed to reign in runaway budgets, and passed the buck to the consumer when their tiny pea brains couldn't see another way out.

Tenlaar posted...

The price of games going up a little bit after literal decades at a consistent price is not bullshit.

It is when you consider how many more people buy games. FF7 sold 2 million units in its opening weekend and 10 million units over the next 8 years. In comparison, FF7:R sold 3.5 million units in its opening weekend and has sold 7 million units in its first 3 years.

So FF7 at $50 made $100M it's opening weekend and FF7:R at $70 made $245M. FF7R has made $490M so far compared to 7's $500M... Nearly the same amount in 1/3 the time. So potentially the remake could end up with sales around $1.5B if it trends similarly over the next 6 years.

FF7 cost $40M to make. FF7:R cost $200M, so just on dev costs you're looking at square having $460M left over vs $1.3B. they're potentially taking home a billion more dollars after the price hike even when you factor in development costs.

And that's without consideration for dlc, micro transactions, premium currencies, battle passes, in-game advertising, product tie-ins, etc.

s0nicfan posted...

It is when you consider how many more people buy games. FF7 sold 2 million units in its opening weekend and 10 million units over the next 8 years. In comparison, FF7:R sold 3.5 million units in its opening weekend and has sold 7 million units in its first 3 years.

So FF7 at $50 made $100M it's opening weekend and FF7:R at $70 made $245M. FF7R has made $490M so far compared to 7's $500M... Nearly the same amount in 1/3 the time. So potentially the remake could end up with sales around $1.5B if it trends similarly over the next 6 years.

FF7 cost $40M to make. FF7:R cost $200M, so just on dev costs you're looking at square having $460M left over vs $1.3B. they're potentially taking home a billion more dollars after the price hike even when you factor in development costs.

And that's without consideration for dlc, micro transactions, premium currencies, battle passes, in-game advertising, product tie-ins, etc.

This is the key point. Publishers have been nickel and diming for decades. Its utterly ludicrous to listen to EA crying crocodile tears over games needing to cost $10 more when they make literal billions off FIFA microtransactions alone.

^Ultimately, I think the biggest problem with this is the investors. Like sure, CEOs are wanting to make as much money as possible, but part of it is pleasing investors. If companies aren't growing significantly and making exhorbitant amounts of money at all times, investors panic and that means bad news for the company as a result. That's also why layoffs happen so that investors can be pleased for the short term.

It's a system that needs to either be reformed or to stop, honestly. Otherwise it's gonna cause the AAA market to crash.

Reminder: IF this was Capcom we would be at the 3rd game by now, and also each and every individual game would've been better too.

luigi33 posted...

Reminder: IF this was Capcom we would be at the 3rd game by now, and also each and every individual game would've been better too.

Just like mega man legends.

luigi33 posted...

Reminder: IF this was Capcom we would be at the 3rd game by now, and also each and every individual game would've been better too.

Wow, what a fucking lie.

luigi33 posted...

Reminder: IF this was Capcom we would be at the 3rd game by now, and also each and every individual game would've been better too.

If this was Capcom, you'd have dlc costumes and shortcuts, and a flubbed 2nd or 3rd game

If this was Konami, you'd have one game that slightly under sales expectations, so the game is cancelled or the 1st game has a open ending

If this was Sega, you'd have a excellent single game with DLC and re-releases and spin offs and anime up the ass

If this was Nintendo it would be a faithful 1:1, including all the dumb shit. add in 1 or 2 QoL features with the 3rd QoL locked behind Amiibo

If this was Platinum Games, you'd have a badass action game the rivals the best, but is loaded with odd choices and a complete destruction of the story, on the level ff7 purists think Remake is

If this was EA, You would subscribe for 30$ in the year 2020, with micro transactions EVERYWHERE, and every season you get a new chapter;
Kalm in Wimter
Junon in Spring
Costa Del Sol + Corel in Summer
Gold Saucer in Fall, etc

If this was Sony or Naughty Dog, The gameplay/cutscenes ratio would go from 50:50 to 20:80 and the combat will feel like a launch PS3. However it will have the best graphics on console... period

BakonBitz posted...

^Ultimately, I think the biggest problem with this is the investors. Like sure, CEOs are wanting to make as much money as possible, but part of it is pleasing investors. If companies aren't growing significantly and making exhorbitant amounts of money at all times, investors panic and that means bad news for the company as a result. That's also why layoffs happen so that investors can be pleased for the short term.

It's a system that needs to either be reformed or to stop, honestly. Otherwise it's gonna cause the AAA market to crash.

The problem is that publicly traded corporations are basically legally obligated to always grow by any means necessary.

The reason I trust Valve with my game library and not any of the others is that Valve is a private company without any shareholders to please.

PraetorXyn posted...

The problem is that publicly traded corporations are basically legally obligated to always grow by any means necessary.

The reason I trust Valve with my game library and not any of the others is that Valve is a private company without any shareholders to please.

Yeah...it's unfortunate.

Tenlaar posted...

The price of games going up a little bit after literal decades at a consistent price is not bullshit.

Yes it is because youre getting less for your money these days than you used to. Very little QA (or pretty much none in cases like Bethesda), cut content for them to sell it back to you as day 1 on disk DLC, etc
if those things didnt happen I would be OK with small price increases over the years

Rika_Furude posted...

Yes it is because youre getting less for your money these days than you used to.

Im sorry, you get less for your money today than from Super Nintendo games? Thats just ridiculous.

Tenlaar posted...

Im sorry, you get less for your money today than from Super Nintendo games? Thats just ridiculous.

Super Nintendo games that released in a complete, tested and QAed state that dont need to sell you additional DLC to get the complete experience. No, you are being outrageous

Rika_Furude posted...

Super Nintendo games that released in a complete, tested and QAed state that dont need to sell you additional DLC to get the complete experience. No, you are being outrageous

That also describes an absolute fuck ton of games that come out today. Youre being outrageous to claim otherwise.

Tenlaar posted...

That also describes an absolute fuck ton of games that come out today. Youre being outrageous to claim otherwise.

name them

Rika_Furude posted...

name them

FF7 Remake lmao

pegusus123456 posted...

FF7 Remake lmao

a playtested game with a fair amount of QA released with few bugs? the dlc for it came out later after release? refer to post 116
what buggy broken POS games do you think justify a $70 price tag and on-disk day 1 DLC and are more value for money than a properly QAed retro game

Why are you asking a different question in this post than you asked in your last one?

You asked for a game that released in a complete, tested, and QA'd state. To my knowledge, FF7 Remake had no issues at launch.

You asked for a game that doesn't need the DLC to get the full experience. FF7 Remake is a full experience. Intermission adds a little bit of backstory to Yuffie and does a bunch of anime bullshit that probably will not be super relevant in the sequels. It also released a full year after the base game on a completely different console, so it was hardly on-disk day one DLC.

i already made it clear i am fine with a $70 game if its playtested and not screwing people around with dlc for money, just operating legitimately. you are trying to disagree with me when in actuality i think you agree with me

So why did you argue with Tenlaar and tell him to name games that fit that description if you're well aware that this is not a universal problem?

Either you're just terrible at making a point or you're being deliberately antagonistic just to troll, but I'll keep my guess as to which one it is to myself.

Same people from 4-5 years ago complaining about FF7 and its development cycle.

JFC get over it, $200 over 8 years is absolutely nothing, if its that big of a deal wait for the inevitable trilogy release for $100 or whatever.

while everyone else has enjoyed the series.

I saw some spoilers and if they're real, that's a shame but also sort of funny.

People out here like, "Its just a coincidence that it's named Final Fantasy 7! Stop expecting things!"

As a Nintendo nerd, and I know I'm a minority here, I don't like the idea of wasting resources on a ground up remake of TTYD. I'm not a big fan of the game to begin with, but a remake is completely unnecessary and lazy. But at least it's the full damn game.

voldothegr8 posted...

As a Nintendo nerd, and I know I'm a minority here, I don't like the idea of wasting resources on a ground up remake of TTYD. I'm not a big fan of the game to begin with, but a remake is completely unnecessary and lazy. But at least it's the full damn game.

FF7 Remake is a full game

pegusus123456 posted...

FF7 Remake is a full game

See that just makes it easier to call it shit

People will complain no matter what.

Rika_Furude posted...

Super Nintendo games that released in a complete, tested and QAed state that dont need to sell you additional DLC to get the complete experience. No, you are being outrageous

Mortal Kombat 3, Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3, Mortal Kombat Trilogy. Then there's the Street Fighter series. You had to buy the entire game over to get updates.

Jupiter posted...

Mortal Kombat 3, Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3, Mortal Kombat Trilogy. Then there's the Street Fighter series. You had to buy the entire game over to get updates.

Yep and there was Final Fight and you had to buy Final Fight Guy if you wanted to play Guy instead of Cody LMAO. And let's not get started with Genesis and their Sonic and Knuckles add on bullshit too.

Jupiter posted...

Mortal Kombat 3, Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3, Mortal Kombat Trilogy. Then there's the Street Fighter series. You had to buy the entire game over to get updates.

Fighting games sure but not RPGs..

Capcom did that alot though.

It's Starcraft 2 all over again.

Fire_Emblem_ posted...

Fighting games sure but not RPGs..

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/14c7ec70.jpg

Fire_Emblem_ posted...

Fighting games sure but not RPGs..

Capcom did that alot though.

This is actually an interesting discussion point. Its pretty inarguable that you get more time for your dollar in RPGs now, but theres an argument to be made that most of that time is pointless bullshit that isnt fun and is only there to pad the game and punish completionists.

Like Final Fantasy IV and VI dont have many side quests. They basically have a few hidden quests where if you go out of your way, you get a fun experience, some great gear, a new summon, interactions with a character that make it worth it, etc. Contrast that with modern JRPGs where youll have 40 or 50 side quests but most of them are boring fetch quests or hunting basic monsters and the rewards are a piddly amount of money or a potion or something equally worthless.

Id argue SNES era or even SNES style, like Chained Echoes and Sea of Stars JRPGs respect your time more, so I prefer that style of game that I can complete in 20 or 30 hours over a 20 or 30 hour modern game padded with 30 or 40 hours of tedious filler crap that I dont find fun but am compelled to do by OCD because Im a completionist.

They are not all one story though.

FF7 was and it was one game.

Rika_Furude posted...

Super Nintendo games that released in a complete, tested and QAed state that dont need to sell you additional DLC to get the complete experience. No, you are being outrageous

Super Nintendo was from back in the day when games were released in cartridges and nothing was digitally downloaded. Games were all released as is, they have to release another whole version if they wanted to add some stuff. If they could sell dlc content like today, they would.

chrono625 posted...

Same people from 4-5 years ago complaining about FF7 and its development cycle.

JFC get over it, $200 over 8 years is absolutely nothing, if its that big of a deal wait for the inevitable trilogy release for $100 or whatever.

while everyone else has enjoyed the series.

Personally I'll just wait for sales and get the entire trilogy for the price of one game, because that's what it's worth to me. The pacing is awful and the remake was full of half measures in the story, too scared to stand on its own merit, and not quite doing away with the original to pander to nostalgia so its mistakes will all be forgiven, while SE is stuck in a love affair trying to apply FFXIVs magic to single player games, missing the forest for the trees.

Not about the money at all. I'm dropping almost the entire price of the trilogy on a single game pretty soon lol

Ive never seen anyone ever try and argue the cost of buying a series of games.

Lol utter nonsense. Yall on one.

SwayM posted...

Ive never seen anyone ever try and argue the cost of buying a series of games.

Lol utter nonsense. Yall on one.

GoW cost me $140 for two games! The audacity!

How about you stop finalizing some fantasies and start finalizing some job applications.

gottem

It's a better looking, yet shittier version, of a superior PS1 game.

ChrisTaka posted...

How about you stop finalizing some fantasies and start finalizing some job applications.

gottem

xddddd

pegusus123456 posted...

FF7 Remake is a full game

That's some hard copium

voldothegr8 posted...

That's some hard copium

I don't see how when I see facts in front of me.

Part 1 of a trilogy does not mean it isn't a full game. 30+ hours playtime, lots of customization options, wide variety of enemies and bosses, several sidequests...

BakonBitz posted...

I don't see how when I see facts in front of me.

Part 1 of a trilogy does not mean it isn't a full game.

Calls the game remake.

Gives the player an eighth of the original.

voldothegr8 posted...

Calls the game remake.

Gives the player an eighth of the original.

Still a 30 hour game, and it's not the same version as the original, it's an adaptation doing its own thing. The bait and switch at the end was sure to piss off some people but it's ridiculous to not call it a full game.