Board 8 > What four US Presidents are on MOUNT RUSHMORE 2?

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ZenOfThunder
02/19/24 10:20:24 AM
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Biggest snub from the Final Fantasy Songs Mount Rushmore? - Results (66 votes)
Main Theme
25.76% (17 votes)
17
Battle on the Big Bridge
27.27% (18 votes)
18
Chocobo Theme
18.18% (12 votes)
12
Dancing Mad
10.61% (7 votes)
7
Aria di Mezzo Carattere
1.52% (1 vote)
1
Close in the Distance
1.52% (1 vote)
1
Battle 2 (Final Fantasy IV)
3.03% (2 votes)
2
Liberi Fatali
6.06% (4 votes)
4
Terra
0% (0 votes)
0
Those Who Fight Further
6.06% (4 votes)
4
This poll is now closed.
Rules: If you list more than 4 things I'm gonna just pick the first 4 you say when I do the tally. If you list the same character multiple times I'm going to count it as 1 vote. Be nice to others and their potentially bad opinions. Don't shove your personal definition of "Mount Rushmore" down others' throats. Don't take this topic series too seriously. If you're going to change a vote please quote your old vote to make it easier for me.

Mount Rushmore 2-specific rules: Happy President's Day!

US Presidents only, real ones and not someone like Dick Cheney because he was president for a few hours while GWB had surgery. The only presidents not eligible are the ones on Mount Rushmore 1 (George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Teddy Roosevelt, Abe Lincoln). If you want you can imagine they are building this down the way from Mount Rushmore 1 (if location matters to you).

Please keep extended political talk out of this topic. I understand that there's going to have to be some but let's not turn Mount Rushmore 2 Toxic please. I will absolutely close this topic and we will forget it ever happened.

Reference links:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Rushmore

PREVIOUS RESULTS:
SEGA: Sonic, Kiryu, Alex Kidd, Aiai (one per franchise)
Marvel: Spider-Man, Wolverine, Captain America, Iron Man
Final Fantasy: Cloud, Black Mage, Sephiroth, Chocobo
2023 in Film: Barbie, Oppenheimer, Super Mario Bros. Movie, Spider-Man: ATSV
Resident Evil: Jill, Leon, Wesker, Chris
Batman Rogues: Joker, Riddler, Catwoman, Penguin
Xbox: Master Chief, Marcus Fenix, Hero of Oakvale, Forza Car
Video Game Moms: The Boss, Toriel, Cooking Mama, Red's Mom
Contest Fodder: CATS, Tanner, Guybrush, Gordon Freeman
Simpsons Episodes: Who Shot Mr. Burns?, Marge vs the Monorail, Homer's Enemy, Homer at the Bat
Professional Wrestlers: Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Undertaker, El Santo
Horror Movies: The Exorcist, The Shining, Dracula (1931), Halloween (1978)
Gen 1 Pokemon: Pikachu, Charizard, Mewtwo, Eevee
Edgelords: Shadow the Hedgehog, Sasuke Uchiha, The Joker, The Punisher
Disney Princesses: Ariel, Elsa, Snow White, Cinderella
South Park Episodes: Make Love Not Warcraft, Scott Tenorman Must Die, Fishsticks, With Apologies to Jesse Jackson
Spider-Man Rogues: Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Venom, Kingpin
Dragons: Shenron, Smaug, Charizard, Bahamut
NFL Quarterbacks: Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino
Broadway Musicals: Phantom of the Opera, Hamilton, Wicked, West Side Story
Capcom: Mega Man, Ryu, Dante, Leon Kennedy (one per franchise)
TJF: Morrigan, Tifa, Tina, KOS-MOS
Video Game Weapons: Master Sword, Buster Sword, BFG, Blue Shell
Bad Movies: The Room, Plan 9, Cats, Manos
Gen 2 Pokemon: Lugia, Togepi, Suicune, Ho-Oh
Final Fantasy Songs: One-Winged Angel, Prelude, To Zanarkand, Victory Theme

ChatGPT's Rushmore:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d706f99a.png

UPCOMING RUSHMORES (nominations welcome):
2/20: Board 8 Memes
2/21: 90s Cartoon Network
2/22: Video Game Soundtracks
2/23: YouTube Sponsors
2/24: Pizza Toppings
2/25: Smash Bros. Items
2/26: Non-Noble Nine
2/27: Bad Fanbases
2/28: ZEN IS ON VACATION
2/29: ZEN IS ON VACATION
3/01: ZEN IS ON VACATION
3/02: ZEN IS ON VACATION
3/02: ZEN IS ON VACATION
3/03: ZEN IS ON VACATION
3/04: Bad Video Games
3/05: Cryptids
3/06: Movie Villains
Nominations: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uCR-viOTP-yKhRZnTyvaoXj7teKRA12gz7m-1rfmhoY/

YESTERDAY: The Top 4 were never contested and we had the most things with single votes we have ever had. Going into page 2 there were only 3 votes for the FF Main Theme, when users Waluigi1 and Ulti pointed out how that is crazy.

Turns out it did legit seem some people were confusing Prelude with the Main Theme, and while the Main Theme did recover a bit after this, Prelude was way too far ahead, and came close to overthrowing OWA several times. Main Theme ended up finishing in a distant 5th but probably would have done worse if it wasn't for the mid-topic debate.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/0e729d82.png

AI Rushmore: It kept just making angels with one or more wings. I kind of like this one because it is not a lady but an actual monument (with a single wing):

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2d90f095.jpg

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Leonhart4
02/19/24 10:21:48 AM
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ChatGPT had a better Rushmore

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NFUN
02/19/24 10:28:22 AM
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FDR then three very obviously vacant spots

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MacArrowny
02/19/24 10:28:58 AM
#4:


So we're allowed to use older presidents too?

Glad Main Theme didn't make it.

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ZenOfThunder
02/19/24 10:29:37 AM
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Yes, all presidents are eligible except the 4 already on Mount Rushmore

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Johnbobb
02/19/24 10:31:15 AM
#6:


FDR
Obama
JFK
Truman

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rwlh
02/19/24 10:32:32 AM
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Weird pseudo nomination: Mean Rushmore. Something with only five possible options, we would vote for the one we want to exclude.
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ctesjbuvf
02/19/24 10:45:33 AM
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rwlh posted...
Weird pseudo nomination: Mean Rushmore. Something with only five possible options, we would vote for the one we want to exclude.

Power Ranger, Spice Girls, Mystery Gang members, Inside Out emotions (at least before 2 comes)

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LiquidOshawott
02/19/24 11:04:09 AM
#9:


Madison
FDR
JFK
Obama

Obama would totally fund something like this btw

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Dantezoid
02/19/24 11:07:05 AM
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George W Bush, Barack Obama, an empty space, Joe Biden


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Xeybozn
02/19/24 11:07:17 AM
#11:


John Adams
FDR
Eisenhower
Obama

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Xeybozn
02/19/24 11:11:32 AM
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And nominate: Historical Americans (but no Presidents)

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MMXcalibur
02/19/24 11:11:41 AM
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An owl, a bungee cord, my ass, Betty

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hombad46
02/19/24 11:14:58 AM
#14:


Nominate: Fictional Presidents

I want Max from Sam & Max to get on that one even though he probably won't

Edit: U.S. Presidents specifically. Not like Seto Kaiba being the President of Kaibacorp. That can be a different one

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changmas
02/19/24 11:21:13 AM
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FDR
Roosevelt (Franklin Delano)
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
The 32nd president

should be up there once for each term


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LightningStrikes
02/19/24 11:26:53 AM
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Heres my non-American opinion:

FDR
Eisenhower
JFK
Obama

FDR is pretty obvious. Eisenhower has interstate highways and NASA. JFK is massively overrated, but he got shot and Vietnam disqualifies LBJ so onto the Rushmore he goes. Obama absolutely rescued the US economy and if it had been austerity in response to 2008 America would be in the same boat as many parts of Europe, still not recovered from the recession. These are the four, all compromised in different ways but all with their accomplishments too.

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GANON1025
02/19/24 11:46:59 AM
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FDR
Obama
JFK
Wilson

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Dancedreamer
02/19/24 11:58:43 AM
#18:


FDR
LBJ
Obama
Eisenhower

FDR, in spite of his concentration camps, held the country together during its worst times. He stood up to the task better than perhaps anyone ever could have hoped.

LBJ, despite his faults in Vietnam, got the Civil Rights act passed. He was a champion of that bill, and without him I don't think it gets passed.

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AbsolutelyNoOne
02/19/24 12:03:59 PM
#19:


FDR
JFK
Reagan
Obama

I would want Eisenhower or even Grant over Reagan but I feel like there is no way they don't make another one of these without Reagan on it

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KateMarsh
02/19/24 12:13:04 PM
#20:


FDR
Reagan
JFK
Eisenhower

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FFDragon
02/19/24 12:23:49 PM
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Reagan fucked entire generations, he was dog shit

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KateMarsh
02/19/24 12:24:52 PM
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AbsolutelyNoOne posted...
I would want Eisenhower or even Grant over Reagan
Has any president had a greater turnaround in reputation over the years than Grant? I remember growing up being taught he was a mediocre president at best. Look at his placements on this chart of scholarly surveys over the years...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

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Waluigi1
02/19/24 12:54:01 PM
#23:


Absolutely absurd that the Mt Rushmore of FF songs doesn't even include the Main Theme of the entire series geezus. You guys suck.

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Leonhart4
02/19/24 12:56:19 PM
#24:


Waluigi1 posted...
Absolutely absurd that the Mt Rushmore of FF songs doesn't even include the Main Theme of the entire series geezus. You guys suck.

Maybe it should've been more important to the series than getting wedged into ending themes for 15 years

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Snake5555555555
02/19/24 12:58:08 PM
#25:


Franklin D. Roosevelt
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Harry S. Truman
John F. Kennedy

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WarThaNemesis2
02/19/24 12:58:37 PM
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FDR
Eisenhower
Andrew Jackson
LBJ

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02/19/24 1:00:17 PM
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Waluigi1
02/19/24 1:01:18 PM
#27:


I should have asked in the other topic, but when we say "Victory Theme," are we just referring to the 4 second jingle?

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Kenri
02/19/24 1:10:12 PM
#28:


Carter and then three big signs that say "this mountain intentionally left blank"

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plasmabeam
02/19/24 1:20:40 PM
#29:


JFK
FDR
Truman
Reagan


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hylianknight3
02/19/24 1:25:17 PM
#30:


John Adams
FDR
Ike
Reagan

I was gonna chuck Truman on here before swapping him for Adams.

Who belongs on Mount Rushmore 2 more than the original #2?

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StifledSilence
02/19/24 1:34:11 PM
#31:


Adams
Silent Cal
FDR
Ike

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DomaDragoon
02/19/24 2:28:57 PM
#32:


  • Franklin Roosevelt
  • Dwight Eisenhower
  • John Adams
  • Grover Cleveland
I intentionally excluded any president who was in office at some point in my life.

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Wanglicious
02/19/24 2:29:21 PM
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Waluigi1 posted...
I should have asked in the other topic, but when we say "Victory Theme," are we just referring to the 4 second jingle?

it's a bit longer than that, there's a brief tune that plays after.
but yes.

anyway, for this one uh... looking at people's noms most clearly aren't remembering that presidents before the original mount rushmore was made exist.

FDR
Woodrow Wilson

FDR's the only lock. 4 terms, Depression, WW2.
Wilson should be the second lock. 2 terms, WW1, League of Nations, Federal Reserve, labor laws. like it's dumb to not have him when he did a hell of a lot more than anybody else available.

last two don't know yet. JFK is popular but that's really it, just popular name. the dude was president for 2 and a half years. his assassination has bloated his placement to an extreme because as far as presidents go there wasn't much he did. there could have been a lot. unfortunately a magic bullet took him out and being on a Rushmore makes no sense. tempted for a Reagan/Obama split as that's the clearest split of who the right and left find most endearing in polarizing ways. but there's also a long, long history to go through. also Jackson would feel like trolling.

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Lopen
02/19/24 2:32:19 PM
#34:


FDR
JFK
Obama
Woodrow Wilson

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FFDragon
02/19/24 2:36:47 PM
#35:


DomaDragoon posted...
I intentionally excluded any president who was in office at some point in my life.

again, teddy was put on 16 years after he left office

so even if we stuck to those rules, everyone up until W could qualify

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Leonhart4
02/19/24 2:40:12 PM
#36:


Oh right, guess I should vote

FDR
LBJ
James Madison
James K. Polk

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KateMarsh
02/19/24 2:40:44 PM
#37:


FFDragon posted...
again, teddy was put on 16 years after he left office

so even if we stuck to those rules, everyone up until W could qualify
He had also died by then. Should we make death a prerequisite?

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FFDragon
02/19/24 2:42:28 PM
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we're all dead inside anyway

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foolm0r0n
02/19/24 2:52:28 PM
#40:


FDR
JFK
Reagan
Obama

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Bitto
02/19/24 2:55:00 PM
#41:


Madison
Wilson
FDR
LBJ

FDR is the only lock. Madison for being the remaining Founding Father, Wilson for WWI and League of Nations, LBJ for Civil Rights Act.

Trying to keep this relatively positive. I did think about this recently in terms of who had the biggest influence on the Presidency since Theodore and it wasvery negative.

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KateMarsh
02/19/24 3:04:07 PM
#42:


Bitto posted...
Madison for being the remaining Founding Father
I guess Adams and Monroe are on their own separate mountain then?

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Bitto
02/19/24 3:06:11 PM
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I dont study revolutionary America but Madisons name comes up far more often than Monroe or Adams.

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Leonhart4
02/19/24 3:08:21 PM
#44:


Of Adams, Madison, and Monroe, Madison is the most important of the three

For stuff that he did when he wasn't president but still

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Johnbobb
02/19/24 3:09:56 PM
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hombad46 posted...
Edit: U.S. Presidents specifically. Not like Seto Kaiba being the President of Kaibacorp. That can be a different one
Nominate CEOs/Business owners

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Johnbobb
02/19/24 3:11:30 PM
#46:


Reagan being on Mount Rushmore would cause riots

Obama would too, but for dumber reasons

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LiquidOshawott
02/19/24 3:14:56 PM
#47:


Johnbobb posted...
Reagan being on Mount Rushmore would cause riots

Obama would too, but for dumber reasons

I feel kinda glad we all unanimously agree it is not Mr. 45 even if he is very likely to want it

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Eddv
02/19/24 3:18:16 PM
#48:


FDR and three blank spots is probably the answer because of just how far ahead of the pack he is

But if youre making me pick

FDR

LBJ - Civil Rights, Medicare, Medicaid, the good versions of Social Security and Welfare all stem from his admin. Yes Vietnam is a thing but the major war crimes are mainly nixon and the idea of the war is mainly kennedy, LBJ is just holding the bag and you know what US relations with Vietnam are fine now so the lasting damage is way overstated.

Grant - the only president pre Eisenhower who gave a SHIT about Jim Crow. Yes his admin is responsible for some wildly, irresponsibly pro corporate shit and he had some blatant grifters working for him, he was president for one reason and if the GOP had kept up his commitment to sending troops adter the klan the world might be a better place.

4th is tricky because these candidates dont have sparing highs to outweigh their negatives or in the case of the one who does have soaring highs his negatives are literally genocide

Jackson - oversaw major expansion of the franchise and was responsible for really making the country significantly more democratic, this included defeating the idea of a National Bank which i know you libertarians liked. But you know...strongly pro slavery, responsible for a lot of anti native american genocide.

Van Buren - Jacksons right hand for all of the above but he was also the first president to take actions trying to limit the spread of slavery and would later become a full blown abolotionist. The trick is Jackson wqs actually president for the realization of all of Van Burens pro liberalization of the vote goals and his attempts to slow the spread of slavery were ultimately ineffective.

Arthur - Against all odds and at great personal expense, he followed through on Garfields promise to end the patronahe system and passed the laws that created the modern federal bureaucracy, a move absolutely vital for the accomplishments ofnthe Progressives and FDR/LBJ. But this was his only accomplishment and he did sign the chinese exclusion acts.

Adams - Kept the US out of major wars, opposer slavery, downside he was kinda fashy.

And to argue against some people getting votes who DO NOT deserve them

Polk - You are aware the They Might Be Giants song is supposed to be highlighting what a piece of shit he was right? Doubled down on genocide vs natives, picked a war of territorial aggression with Mexico, massively expanding the country with absolutely NP regard for the delicate peace between free and slave states (because he WANTED the expansion of slavery) and tried to pick wars with britain and russia over oregon. Just not a guy id ever vote for unless youre sp unbothered by this shit that youre putting Jackson over him.

JFK - Two failed coups against Castro, commiting troops the vietnam in what will be the proximate cause of the Vietnam War and the weaksauce version of the civil rights act makes him LBJ without any of the good shit.

Im gonna be bothered by genocide enough to vote Arthur even though its probably Jackson

So

FDR
LBJ
Grant
Arthur

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Eddv
02/19/24 3:27:07 PM
#49:


Oh we wanna do Wilson and Madison too

Wilson - Not sure what youre voting for here? Being the worst of the three progressive presidents? Absolutely no reason to put him over Taft. He also segregated the federal service, so thanks for that Woody. His ideas regardong international community destablizrd the fuck out the balkans and his insistence on the League of Nations (which he couldnt even convince his own congress to join) crowded out better ideas and led directly to the international framework Hitler abused to rise to power. Then the last few years of his presidency were basically weekend at Bernies because he had a stroke and his wife secretly ran the country in his stead.

Madison - Only by grace of Napoleon returning from exile was the US not absolutely fucked by his decision to provoke a war with britain. Only worth putting here if youre gonna include pre presidential accomplishments (mostly the constitution). Wouldnt put him here over Franklin or Hamilton for revolutionary accomplishments though.

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MacArrowny
02/19/24 3:32:16 PM
#50:


FDR
LBJ
Grant
Adams

Nominate Non-American historical figures.

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