Current Events > Rashida Tlaib urges people to vote against Biden

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DarthAragorn posted...

People should vote against Biden in the primary, dude sucks

About 80%~90+% of people voting in the primaries disagrees. Biden has been winning these primaries by numbers that don't make sense based on his "approval rating".

Ain't no fire being lit under his ass. Actually, the fire is being lit on the naysayers. He shouldn't be winning the primaries with that high of a percentage if he's really that unpopular.

Pitbuller_26 posted...

About 80%~90+% of people voting in the primaries disagrees. Biden has been winning these primaries by numbers that don't make sense based on his "approval rating".

Ain't no fire being lit under his ass. Actually, the fire is being lit on the naysayers. He should be winning the primaries with that high of a percentage if he's really that unpopular.

This. Talk is cheap, especially online chatter. Votes are what count.

Damn. There's a character in the story I'm working on named Rashida and her surname is very close to Tlaib's, like replacing Patterson with Peterson levels of closeness.

I guess I'll have to rename the character now. What a pity.

Pitbuller_26 posted...

About 80%~90+% of people voting in the primaries disagrees. Biden has been winning these primaries by numbers that don't make sense based on his "approval rating".

The people who don't approve don't vote in the primaries. It's that simple.

Trump, Hillary, and Biden are, in that order, the three least popular major party nominees of all time. Yet they all decisively won their party primaries.

Party loyalists are simply way out of touch with the broader electorate.

EPR-radar posted...

This. Talk is cheap, especially online chatter. Votes are what count.

If Biden wins the Michigan primary by 85% or more, Tlaib will have an egg on her face. If it's in the 60% range, then she may have some influence.

As long as they vote for whoever isn't Trump in the election, please do voice your displeasure with Biden in the primary.

Pitbuller_26 posted...

If Biden wins the Michigan primary by 85% or more, Tlaib will have an egg on her face. If it's in the 60% range, then she may have some influence.

No, the Michigan protestors explicitly said 10% was their goal.

SecretBase posted...

No, the Michigan protestors explicitly said 10% was their goal.

That's not a goal. That's a participation trophy levels of aspirations.

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

Voting against Biden in the primary is fine, he's going to win because his opponents are jokes, but it's worth it to light a fire under his ass that supporting Isreal's genocide isn't the way to go. Absolutely vote for him in the general, though, which is exactly what Tlaib is saying.

As usual, Trolljima trollin'.

All of this, especially the very last part.

I thought the people on here loved biden

trappedunderice posted...

I thought the people on here loved biden

He's a means to an end against Trump but not the ideal guy if the stakes were far far less than what it is currently.

the election is a hostage situation. Biden does nothing and dems help capitalism just as much as the republicans do. The problem is the idea that voting for not biden is "a vote for trump". The reality is me and many others want a third option but the democrats have done everything to make that not be possible. If you keep on voting for mediocre men you keep on getting mediocre presidents.

It's status quo vs burning it all down and hope something better rises from the ashes to alot of people

Online echo chambers never learn. Biden is popular among mainline Democrats, end of story.

Ubergeneral3 posted...

the election is a hostage situation. Biden does nothing and dems help capitalism just as much as the republicans do. The problem is the idea that voting for not biden is "a vote for ****". The reality is me and many others want a third option but the democrats have done everything to make that not be possible. If you keep on voting for mediocre men you keep on getting mediocre presidents.

Man another one of these stupid posts that basically blame DEMOCRATS for all your problems.

The Democrats didn't take away your third option. Vote for a third option if you want to. Stop blaming Democrats for not giving you a pony while the farmhouse is on fire.

tremain07 posted...

It's status quo vs burning it all down and hope something better rises from the ashes to alot of people

Short sighted, narrow minded, morons with bad memories. We already went through 4 years of "but if we let it all burn down it'll all be better!"....

Why should people vote for him blindly in the primary? I don't understand why anyone's upset about this. She's not talking about the general election.

aarrgus posted...

Man another one of these stupid posts that basically blame DEMOCRATS for all your problems.

The Democrats didn't take away your third option. Vote for a third option if you want to. Stop blaming Democrats for not giving you a pony while the farmhouse is on fire.

Voting third party in the US is just giving all power to the fascist party.

aarrgus posted...

Short sighted, narrow minded, morons with bad memories. We already went through 4 years of "but if we let it all burn down it'll all be better!"....

4 years isn't enough, they want it burned down for 8 years. So long that you can't "return to normalcy" like Biden types advertise. Like under W. Bush, which lead to Obama's election.

K181 posted...

Online echo chambers never learn. Biden is popular among mainline Democrats, end of story.

If Biden cannot win without a group of people he needs to actually court their vote, just telling people to vote or else isn't particularly compelling.

she is asking people to vote uncommitted in the Michigan primary to try to show Biden there is a significant community in Michigan deeply invested in him stopping the Gaza genocide.

This is an electoral issue many have already been pointing to since theres more Arab & Muslim voters in Michigan than the margin Biden won by in 2020. The discontent there is something its good for Democrats to have visibility on and reckon with the electoral consequences of Bidens Gaza policy and inaction.

Very misleading how OP framed this.

Doe posted...

since theres more Arab & Muslim voters in Michigan than the margin Biden won by in 2020

this is not true

I can also confirm Tony is 100% a transphobic concern troll who fancies himself a mainstream democrat progressive liberal whatever.

Its a really weird gimmick he has kept up for years on 261. Theres been a handful of times back in the day when he would drop the gimmick occasionally but hes been pretty consistent now for a good while

Doe posted...

she is asking people to vote uncommitted in the Michigan primary to try to show Biden there is a significant community in Michigan deeply invested in him stopping the Gaza genocide.

This is an electoral issue many have already been pointing to since theres more Arab & Muslim voters in Michigan than the margin Biden won by in 2020. The discontent there is something its good for Democrats to have visibility on and reckon with the electoral consequences of Bidens Gaza policy and inaction.

Very misleading how OP framed this.

The problem is that Whitmer won her reelection while losing a significant majority of Arab voters in Michigan. Most voted for the Republican candidate.

If the same happens with Biden, the Arab community in Michigan will have proven there's no point in trying to court them. Tlaib is not helping with that.

I'm not transphobic at all. And I am a mainstream liberal Democrat.

Doom_Art posted...

this is not true

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/arab-population-by-state

Arab Americans in Michigan: 211,405

https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/results/state/michigan

Biden margin of victory in Michigan: 154,188.

Am I missing something here?

Has Rashida Tlaib said anything about KOSA yet?

Pitbuller_26 posted...

The problem is that Whitmer won her reelection while losing a significant majority of Arab voters in Michigan. Most voted for the Republican candidate.

If the same happens with Biden, the Arab community in Michigan will have proven there's no point in trying to court them. Tlaib is not helping with that.

As opposed to the status quo which is Biden himself whatabouting Trump when asked, saying the former President wants to put a ban on Arabs coming into the country. Well make sure he we understand who cares about the Arab population, number one.

Like what soft power do you think Arab American voters hold right now that theyll lose if they ask for a policy change in Gaza?

Doe posted...

As opposed to the status quo which is Biden himself whatabouting Trump when asked, saying the former President wants to put a ban on Arabs coming into the country. Well make sure he we understand who cares about the Arab population, number one.

Like what soft power do you think Arab American voters hold right now that theyll lose if they ask for a policy change in Gaza?

It's not a whatsboutism, Trump has quite literally said on national television that he would reinstate another Muslim ban and it would be even more harsh. He has a SCOTUS that will allow it to happen. That Muslim ban can easily shift into target anybody Arab regardless of religious belief.

That's why a lot of people are scratching their heads at why a sizeable chunk of the Arab community are trying to hurt themselves here.

TonyKojima posted...

I'm not transphobic at all. And I am a mainstream liberal Democrat.

Who downplayed the scope of the pandemic and declared it over even as cases were at record numbers per day.

Dude, shes not a Trump supporter. Shes a Palestinian American who is worried about her people and disappointed and/or outraged her commander in chief hasnt done more to keep civilian deaths down in the Israel Hamas war. Pretty typical of left wing democrats these days. The fact that she deflected attention away from October 7th to oppose what she considers to be an Israeli regime that oppresses her people just makes her a nationalist - which is entirely understandable. I mean she knew what was about to happen after October 7th and she tried to get ahead of it and wanted to speak for those she felt were going to get caught in the middle.

No reason to go after her for that.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Who downplayed the scope of the pandemic and declared it over even as cases were at record numbers per day.

Dude, shes not a Trump supporter. Shes a Palestinian American who is worried about her people and disappointed and/or outraged her commander in chief hasnt done more to keep civilian deaths down in the Israel Hamas war. Pretty typical of left wing democrats these days. The fact that she deflected attention away from October 7th to oppose what she considers to be an Israeli regime that oppresses her people just makes her a nationalist - which is entirely understandable. I mean she knew what was about to happen after October 7th and she tried to get ahead of it and wanted to speak for those she felt were going to get caught in the middle.

No reason to go after her for that.

And her voting present during a resolution condemning Hamas sexual abuse?

America is such a clown show.

TonyKojima posted...

And her voting present during a resolution condemning Hamas sexual abuse?

Im not saying I agree with her. Im saying shes not a trump supporter.

Pitbuller_26 posted...

It's not a whatsboutism, Trump has quite literally said on national television that he would reinstate another Muslim ban and it would be even more harsh. He has a SCOTUS that will allow it to happen. That Muslim ban can easily shift into target anybody Arab regardless of religious belief.

That's why a lot of people are scratching their heads at why a sizeable chunk of the Arab community are trying to hurt themselves here.

Its definitionally whataboutism. Biden was asked about critiques on his Gaza policy and he said why are you criticizing my Gaza policy when a Donald Trump presidency will be terrible for Arabs in this additional way? The content of the deflection doesnt need to be incorrect for it to be whataboutism. The deflection to not answer the original question is the whatabouting.

That aside, of course those voters dont think a Trump presidency will improve things. Theyre trying to leverage their demographics voting power to convince Biden to stop an active genocide. Its basically a negotiation strategy. Why dont they just shut up and accept not having a US Muslim ban as enough? Because also not having an active genocide would be better, and they think that shouldnt be too much to ask.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Im not saying I agree with her. Im saying shes not a trump supporter.

Pushing people away from Biden only helps trump.

TonyKojima posted...

And her voting present during a resolution condemning Hamas sexual abuse?

A pointless preformative bullshit vote that doesn't actually do anything nor changes anything? Literally just a waste of congresses time?

Doe posted...

Am I missing something here?

The census counts children and non-citizens, which would make up a portion of that.

In addition, this assumes that Biden got 100% of the vote from that group, which I assure you he did not. IIRC exit polls in 2020 showed something like a little over half to 2/3rds of Muslim voters breaking for Biden.

Enclave posted...

A pointless preformative bullshit vote that doesn't actually do anything nor changes anything? Literally just a waste of congresses time?

Literally a vote just saying "do you condemn this group for using sexual violence on its enemies"

Performative or not, it should be the easiest question to answer ever.

Doom_Art posted...

Literally a vote just saying "do you condemn this group for using sexual violence on its enemies"

Performative or not, it should be the easiest question to answer ever.

They gonna do that vote for IDF as well?

Doom_Art posted...

Literally a vote just saying "do you condemn this group for using sexual violence on its enemies"

Performative or not, it should be the easiest question to answer ever.

Again, this war has brought the what about to a new low with people in very prominent positions in government or higher institutions of higher learning refusing to condemn crimes done by either side simply to support their chosen side.

And I know, Im the last guy who should be pointing that out.

Doom_Art posted...

The census counts children and non-citizens, which would make up a portion of that.

Fair enough, but that number also doesnt include Muslim non-Arab americans, and either way I think the point is made as to why this protest makes sense for Tlaib and those invested in saving Gazans.

In addition, this assumes that Biden got 100% of the vote from that group, which I assure you he did not.

No it doesnt, I never said that.

ItsChristian posted...

They gonna do that vote for IDF as well?

Probably not, because a good chunk of Congress has an unhealthy love affair with the Israeli government

Like it's clearly just a performative vote to show support for Israel, and it's mostly bullshit.

But the fact that she voted "present" puts her motives and (more importantly) her political instincts in question.

archizzy posted...

It's always surprising to me how many people seem to conflate primary with the November election. The primary is the perfect place to use your vote to show dissatisfaction while still supporting him in November.

Agree with this post 100%. I'd also add Democrats and those on the left have a terrible time communicating that.

We have to remember voters also have a difficult time knowing that too. So how people communicate "don't vote" can possibly affect the general election. Like, it definitely needs to messaged more what you just said.

(I didn't read the article, I'm speaking in general.)

Doe posted...

Fair enough, but that number also doesnt include Muslim non-Arab americans, and either way I think the point is made as to why this protest makes sense for Tlaib and those invested in saving Gazans.

I mean nationwide Trump received 50% of Muslim voters who consider themselves white or "non-Arabic".

Doom_Art posted...

Like it's clearly just a performative vote to show support for Israel, and it's mostly bullshit.

But the fact that she voted "present" puts her motives and (more importantly) her political instincts in question.

Like this is the same thing with the university heads being questioned by Congress and then royally fucking up the answer to "is calling for the genocide of jews something that would result in expulsion?"

clearly a stupid, performative question, but instead of just playing along and waving it away with something like "Yes of course that behavior is not accepted at our institution" they gave some weird non-committal evasive answer.

You don't need to swerve away from an obvious lay up like that. Sometimes playing along is best lol

Doom_Art posted...

Like it's clearly just a performative vote to show support for Israel, and it's mostly bullshit.

Its strategic rather than performative though. The point was to put Hamas sexual abuse in headlines and build support for the invasion. If she voted yes it would be reported as a unanimous resolution.

I think theres a fair argument against her decision to vote present, but then like theres a much fairer argument that the Democratic Party shouldnt be so willing about funneling billions of dollars into creating a humanitarian crisis in the Middle East and working with Republicans to accomplish it.

The college president antisemitism debacle isnt apples-to-apples because they couldve easily answered that question affirmatively and pushed back against any subsequent questions painting Palestinian protests as antisemitism. A House resolution is yes/no/present.

Huh, I hadnt seen TK around for a while: I figured hed finally been given the flick.

TonyKojima posted...

I'm not transphobic at all. And I am a mainstream liberal Democrat.

Did you delete your Bethesda games off Steam like you promised yet?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/916373-pc/79344550