Current Events > Yu-Gi-Oh! OCG/TCG & Master Duel General 19: Woosh, your boss monster is gone

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legendarylemur posted...

Their new support makes them have fangs, and a lot of the key boss monsters are UR, but you might not need 3 copies, which is great.

But if you do want to easily escape Gold, the moment you build a tiered deck, you'll probably have like a 10+ win streak on the way to Plat.

I do build a lot of rogue to casual tier decks but it's under an understanding that I might lose a lot of duels lul

I've gotten to Diamond 5 before with DM. But now I'm struggling for some reason. Maybe it's cuz I added Eye of Timaeus which is bricky and 2 Thrusts.

only had 2 games against them but man vanquish souls is really annoying so far

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWHxwN6QxDI

Found a video of Fafra getting pissed at a fellow stun player lol

SF_Okami posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWHxwN6QxDI

Found a video of Fafra getting pissed at a fellow stun player lol

That was pretty funny actually. I think we have all had a game or 6 like this on ladder. People having the weirdest pile and it ends up working way above average.

Heck I fluked a win with straight up Metal Foes with staples in low diamond only having one fusion monster on field, other person bricked so hard and I accidentally gave them an extra turn. Got my fusions done for the Proficiency test in.

My stun deck has gotten me to Diamond III. Gonna try to get to Master. We see. But I made a few more minor tweaks and it's even more potent now.

Ive been thinking of pulling for vanquish soul but Im not confident Ill have all the resources needed even after farming the ritual festival.

And there arent very many URs Im willing to pull for either. So if RNG isnt on my side Ill be struck with a incomplete deck I really want to play for weeks on end potentially.

dont do it, Vanquish souls are annoying

Vanquish Soul is like tier 2-3 at most and takes a whopping 10 non-staple UR's to build. If you don't have plenty of materials to spare (like I do) or don't really like the archetype's playstyle and fighting game theme (like I do) then I wouldn't recommend going for it.

I saw almost none of them in gold and platinum. But now they are just about as common as Kashtira. I am thinking about editing my deck to account for that by putting in The Eye of Truth which destroys Vanquish Souls completely

Calwings posted...

Vanquish Soul is like tier 2-3 at most and takes a whopping 10 non-staple UR's to build. If you don't have plenty of materials to spare (like I do) or don't really like the archetype's playstyle and fighting game theme (like I do) then I wouldn't recommend going for it.

Yea, getting most of the vanquish soul cards will be hard enough. But also the non staple ones as well although I only need Riseheart, and 2 copies of TCBO1.

I was most interested in them because its a good deck with little chance of being hurt by the ban list. Im currently using Purrely and dunno how long their stay at full power. But I have 5 total sleepy memory for when the inevitable happens.

I heard Gold Pride was coming in a few weeks and I have the full punk engine so maybe ill just wait.

Turns out I need two Solflare Dragons for Galaxy-Eyes and I only got one, lol.

Ah, screw it. I'll make do with one and a Bujinki Ahashima (and Hieratic Seal if it comes to it).

Edit: I can make a Vaylantz deck too, yay.
Funny how their best boss monster is SR.

Prismsblade posted...

Yea, getting most of the vanquish soul cards will be hard enough. But also the non staple ones as well although I only need Riseheart, and 2 copies of TCBO1.

I built mine without those extra support cards that help make it meta (the Kashtira stuff and TCBOO), but then again, I also never leave Gold, so... yeah.

Calwings posted...

I built mine without those extra support cards that help make it meta (the Kashtira stuff and TCBOO), but then again, I also never leave Gold, so... yeah.

Kashtira is necessary for the deck to be even just semi decent. Fenrir is a free special summon, an earth/fire searcher, and banishing on ark is just a cherry on top. Aside from that its great for baiting out hand traps or negates in general before using Razen, mad love or stake your soul.

Prismsblade posted...

Kashtira is necessary for the deck to be even just semi decent. Fenrir is a free special summon, an earth/fire searcher, and banishing on ark is just a cherry on top. Aside from that its great for baiting out hand traps or negates in general before using Razen, mad love or stake your soul.

I know. I just really don't like the Kashtira monsters and don't want to use them at all. I refuse to even craft them, no matter how generically good Fenrir is.

PUNK lv 3 and Deer Note are earth, too, and Ogre Dance are dark. I saw the guide recommends them.

E:

Calwings posted...

I know. I just really don't like the Kashtira monsters and don't want to use them at all. I refuse to even craft them, no matter how generically good Fenrir is.

Damn, you are more of a good guy than me. I don't do cards that mess with opponent deck and hand (rip Silverrokket) but I'm still willing to use Fenrir. Card's stupid good.

Tennousu posted...

Damn, you are more of a good guy than me. I don't do cards that mess with opponent deck and hand (rip Silverrokket) but I'm still willing to use Fenrir. Card's stupid good.

On top of me hating how the cards look, I think Kashtira as an archetype is just too disgusting for me to ever feel okay with playing. Between Shangri-Ira's zone locks, Arise-Heart killing GY decks by simply existing, and Unicorn being able to face-down banish important combo pieces from your extra deck, Kashtira just feels like an archetype completely built around the philosophy of "You Don't Get To Play The Game" in all of the worst possible ways. Past meta decks like Sprights and Tearlaments were technically stronger than Kashtira because they were more consistent and set up better end boards, but nothing they did ever felt truly unfair or hopeless like Kashtira does when it sets up and I don't draw the out.

I know Fenrir alone as a generic staple doesn't do any of those things, but I still refuse to touch anything with the name Kashtira out of principle.

I legit do not know what to make of the new version of them
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/eecd07ae.jpg

At one point I stop trying to flirt with fate. Honestly YGO with broken cards vs. broken cards don't feel that imbalanced. Crazy effects only sound crazy and then they're manageable with good decks

tremain07 posted...

I legit do not know what to make of the new version of them
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/eecd07ae.jpg

New Silent Magician loses her hip window.

I think I've just about distilled my own personal recipe, which I've dubbed "PUNKash Witch", to its most theoretically competitive form. As the name implies, it's a P.U.N.K./Kashtira/Witchcrafter hybrid that intends to use the P.U.N.K. mill 9 combo to facilitate Witchcrafter plays, with a splash of Kash as one does in the current meta. Is it good? I don't think so. Is it cheap? Haha, no. But is it frickin' rad? Hell yeah, motherfucker. I can share the deck if anyone wants to see it~

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/821eb26f.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/65ca82e9.jpg

They really are a unique brand of monsters but I really don't understand the gameplan for this new archetype, Gandora is an obvious nuke while the swordsman and the sorceress are the main attacker and the golem and silme are defenders but the archetype is lacking in some way, has anyone been able to test the deck yet?

Tennousu posted...
New Silent Magician loses her hip window.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8016b1c8.jpg
That she does, what a pity

https://youtube.com/shorts/orZQ_vOPSbA?si=vemx3FM5mo9vYPOr

Oh my god since when is Yata-Garasu not forbidden??? One of my all-time favorite cards that I never got to use. I just realized its limited. I can splash it in my Shinobird deck!

AND its playable in the ritual festival! Time to Yata lock :D

Okay, I do need a ruling check if anyone has any ideas regarding Yata-Garasu.

Lets say I summon it with Shinobird, which allows it to remain on the field.

-I attack, and the opponent cannot draw a card.
-They summon a monster and attack Yata, but I attach it with a Metalmorph or something which lets it survive and do damage to the attacking monster and destroys it.
-Next turn, I attack with Yata.

Since Yata did damage on both the opponents and my turn, does the opponent ship their next TWO draws? Or is it not stackable?

SF_Okami posted...

Okay, I do need a ruling check if anyone has any ideas regarding Yata-Garasu.

Lets say I summon it with Shinobird, which allows it to remain on the field.

-I attack, and the opponent cannot draw a card.
-They summon a monster and attack Yata, but I attach it with a Metalmorph or something which lets it survive and do damage to the attacking monster and destroys it.
-Next turn, I attack with Yata.

Since Yata did damage on both the opponents and my turn, does the opponent ship their next TWO draws? Or is it not stackable?

Yata wouldnt be the one doing damage on the opponents turn. Its just battle damage being reflected due to the failed attack. Its just old card wording too, if it was made today I would assume it would say direct damage is the trigger but I would try it in game to actually see to be sure. The older wordings are certainly tricky.

It also says just skip the draw phase of the next turn. So while it may be stacked the effect only goes off once as the others dont come in to play.

SF_Okami posted...

I attach it with a Metalmorph or something

If you actually use metalmorph, it wouldn't work because it only applies the non 300 increase when attacking iirc.

ToadallyAwesome posted...

Yata wouldnt be the one doing damage on the opponents turn. Its just battle damage being reflected due to the failed attack. Its just old card wording too, if it was made today I would assume it would say direct damage is the trigger but I would try it in game to actually see to be sure. The older wordings are certainly tricky.

Wrong. Reflected damage due to attacking a monster with higher ATK/DEF than the attacking monster's ATK still counts as battle damage. Stone Statue of the Aztecs having the effect to "Double any battle damage your opponent takes when they attack this monster" is proof of this.

https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Stone_Statue_of_the_Aztecs

Yata-Garasu inflicting battle damage through reflected damage (somehow) like this would still trigger its effect to skip the draw phase of the opponent's next turn, since it doesn't specify that it has to inflict damage by attacking. That being said, I'm 99% sure that doing this and having Yata peck the opponent on your own turn doesn't cause the two to stack, so the opponent would still only skip one draw phase.

DocileOrangeCup posted...

If you actually use metalmorph, it wouldn't work because it only applies the non 300 increase when attacking iirc.

I said metalmorph because I forget the names of the equip traps that are actually used. The phantom equip cards haha.

Also Metalmoph just looks way cooler.

Calwings posted...

Wrong. Reflected damage due to attacking a monster with higher ATK/DEF than the attacking monster's ATK still counts as battle damage. Stone Statue of the Aztecs having the effect to "Double any battle damage your opponent takes when they attack this monster" is proof of this.

https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Stone_Statue_of_the_Aztecs

Yata-Garasu inflicting battle damage through reflected damage (somehow) like this would still trigger its effect to skip the draw phase of the opponent's next turn, since it doesn't specify that it has to inflict damage by attacking. That being said, I'm 99% sure that doing this and having Yata peck the opponent on your own turn doesn't cause the two to stack, so the opponent would still only skip one draw phase.

Rip. Was hoping it would maybe cause two skips lol. I am planning on including Yata-Garasu with Shinobird Power Spot to increase advantage. In addition, I would throw in Moon Mirror Shield which would allow Yata to beat over everything. Either Yata would stay on the field equipped with MMS, or when it bounces back to the hand I can just get MMS back. Gimmicky but in the ritual event I think it will be fun. (For me)

Calwings posted...

Wrong. Reflected damage due to attacking a monster with higher ATK/DEF than the attacking monster's ATK still counts as battle damage. Stone Statue of the Aztecs having the effect to "Double any battle damage your opponent takes when they attack this monster" is proof of this.

https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Stone_Statue_of_the_Aztecs

Yata-Garasu inflicting battle damage through reflected damage (somehow) like this would still trigger its effect to skip the draw phase of the opponent's next turn, since it doesn't specify that it has to inflict damage by attacking. That being said, I'm 99% sure that doing this and having Yata peck the opponent on your own turn doesn't cause the two to stack, so the opponent would still only skip one draw phase.

Im not disagreeing with how the reflected part works. That makes sense. Im just saying in this case Yata says that Yata itself has to deal the damage. Which to my current knowledge the reflected damage isnt coming from Yata the card, so I dont think it would trigger.

Not trying to argue or anything. I like figuring out rulings like this cause they can come back to really help.

Doesnt help Im a bit moody with Yugioh today. When on a 7 game losing streak and dropped from Diamond 2 to 4. People making the most ridiculous boards while I got no interruption.

Also how do you deal with Mathmech? They are becoming my damn nemesis at this point. I just got Punk Kash online to try to have something to throw into the mix when Scareclaw and Lab arent working. Im too slow to play Purrely and pure Kash is boring.

I dont think Ive had a Mathmech player go through their full combo. They never get the chance

SF_Okami posted...

I dont think Ive had a Mathmech player go through their full combo. They never get the chance

I only get full comboed it seems. I dont know the deck at all. Is Ash the out on the XYZ they summon?

ToadallyAwesome posted...

I only get full comboed it seems. I dont know the deck at all. Is Ash the out on the XYZ they summon?

I dont even run ash anymore. They ALWAYS have called by. Stick with Imperm. If they dont have the 1 crossout then they cant stop it. But I notice they keep trying to get some mathmech spell/trap through searching and if they cant get it the combo just ends. Plus, if they do have called by, thats a total brick sitting in their hands depending on the deck you play. Called by really cant touch me so its fine if they have it

Again, I have no idea what the end board is. I never let it happen.

ToadallyAwesome posted...

Im not disagreeing with how the reflected part works. That makes sense. Im just saying in this case Yata says that Yata itself has to deal the damage. Which to my current knowledge the reflected damage isnt coming from Yata the card, so I dont think it would trigger.

I'm pretty sure that I've triggered "when this card inflicts battle damage" effects on an opponent crashing their smaller monster into my bigger monster before. Not 100% sure, but pretty sure. Someone would have to go into solo mode and test it.

protip for those going for the final challenge in the quiz thingy: the final attack on a monster doesn't count as destroying a card.

I am thirty minutes into the Ritual Events and have faced zero Ritual decks. That's a great sign.

I usually Called by the Diameter when they activated Superfactorial. That one negates.

Now I'm not sure. I don't fancy Cyberse pile.

Ritual events been going great for me, finished the gems. Prediction princess I only managed to pull by accident absolutely clears the missions. Flip forbidden pot racks up a lot of destroyed cards for the stupid proficiency mission too. Only ran into one Mikanko which I'm very surprised at, expected to see a lot more. Blue eyes loaner deck is a constant and almost always ends with them surrendering. Only one drytron and I had a kaiju for herald thankfully.

What does the recipe archetype do exactly? It never seems to accomplish anything.

Prediction Princess is nuts for this format. I don't think I can lose

Chaos Max? Just summon the dude that flips em to defense, and they're screwed.

Liberals? Wipe em with Pot and the other dude can't run over it generally. Defense mode flipping also works here. They're fragile and shit

Uhhh Mikanko is a bit tricky, jk just flip em all to defense or return their spells during battle phase.

Too many battle focused archetypes, not enough destruction. When played right, they should be one of the strongest decks even without the floodgate flippers

I am liking the event for the most part. Switching to Libros, just not feeling blue eyes. I have no intention of ever play Rituals so I gotta get by on the loaners.

Still its nice to have combos go through for once

Man, I just want to go to Platinum.

I got floodgated by Dinomorphia Labrynth, then slow death'd by Purrely in Gold.

I am so tired of these people running Vanquish Souls in the event. I'm done. The Eye of Truth is going in my deck.

Tennousu posted...

Man, I just want to go to Platinum.

I got floodgated by Dinomorphia Labrynth, then slow death'd by Purrely in Gold.

You can get there man! Do you have any going second decks? Ive been having more luck with Lab and Scareclaw due to not being as behind.

Its also super funny how in ranked going first is so much stronger but in the Ritual event I feel like going second can be better. So many OTKs.

ToadallyAwesome posted...

You can get there man! Do you have any going second decks? Ive been having more luck with Lab and Scareclaw due to not being as behind.

Its also super funny how in ranked going first is so much stronger but in the Ritual event I feel like going second can be better. So many OTKs.

Right now I'm mentally incapable to play anything but PUNK.

Honestly not a bad idea to be running Kaijus right now. You can use 3 Gamaciels and can sometimes extend off it.

Vortex_of_Hope posted...

Ritual events been going great for me, finished the gems. Prediction princess I only managed to pull by accident absolutely clears the missions. Flip forbidden pot racks up a lot of destroyed cards for the stupid proficiency mission too. Only ran into one Mikanko which I'm very surprised at, expected to see a lot more. Blue eyes loaner deck is a constant and almost always ends with them surrendering. Only one drytron and I had a kaiju for herald thankfully.

What does the recipe archetype do exactly? It never seems to accomplish anything.

The recipe archetype has good resource recycling and each ritual monster has an on summon effects. The lvl 5 and below ritual monsters can tag out taking any attack monster on the field (non-targetting) for the upgrade. The lvl 6 can sacrifice an attack monster to summon the burger.

It's not likely going to FTK, but it has solid field control.

I've been enjoying the recipe ritual deck myself.

Successfully pulled off the Yata-Lock twice in the event so far. Not the traditional lock since the opponent still had cards in their hand, but it made sure that they didnt have a way back into the duel.

One duel the guy won the coin toss, went first, and then played nothing. So I just summoned Yata turn 2 and pecked for a few turns until they forfeitted.

Haven't run into too heavy of a degeneracy yet, haven't lost yet with PriPrincesses either.

I'm revisiting my shark deck IRL. Before I mainly used it as a r4 xyz box but seeing all the rank 5 support lately makes me think of how fun it could potentially be. Only thing is extra deck is extra right now lol

Yeah I just beat Mikanko with PriPris. Made them run into their Kaiju by Imperming, then got enough on the board to beat them into submission. Even if they got their perfect combo, and I got my perfect combo, they don't have a whole lot of option against being flipped to defense with no way out.