Current Events > Wow a lot of people hated the Queen.

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Some guy's grandma just died. That sucks no matter who.

Pizza posted...

Tumblr is still a thing?

It's been lying in wait for this very event for years. Every time she fell sick or canceled a public appearance, they sat there priming their memes and murmuring dark prayers. Now that the dam has burst and the memes have washed over the platform, it might just lie down to its own eternal rest, the remaining users scattering to the winds.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%E2%80%93Byng_affair

Malarkey detected

Blue_Inigo posted...

https://twitter.com/Aldanimarki/status/1567861794605043712?s=20&t=7LdNdetyEJQd-_16kUMR_A

Yep, she did absolutely nothing and had no power /s

Oh, right. This is one of those things where you read a Twitter comment and you think it's a history lesson.

legendary_zell posted...

People who are saying she did nothing are showing an offensive and shocking amount of ignorance. She either ordered, served as the public face for, or silently approved countless atrocities in the name of empire. As an adult.

But you don't know about them because they happened in irrelevant countries to irrelevant poor brown people and because her entire image in the West is of a kindly old lady who never did anything in particular.

Parliament dissolved while she was the acting face of royalty, and her power was entirely and strictly limited to smiling for diplomacy otherwise.

Like, that you think she approved or ordered anything shows that you just took Twitter or Tumblr at face value.

I feel creeped out that the same demographic that celebrated Gaddafi's murder is upset at jokes about Elizabeth who was allowed to die naturally.

Creeped out, not surprised. Nobody educated is surprised lol.

Evening_Dragon posted...

Parliament dissolved while she was the acting face of royalty, and her power was entirely and strictly limited to smiling for diplomacy otherwise.

Like, that you think she approved or ordered anything shows that you just took Twitter or Tumblr at face value.

Yeah, it's the only real 'criticism' I have of the Twitter celebration. Blaming her for the actions of our government and the politicians.

Shes certainly responsible for a fair many terrible things and was happy to be quiet as the government did terrible things so not like I really care to defend her or the royals. Sooner the monarchy is gone, the better.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/3/9/AAJBROAADqNr.jpg

BiggLaw posted...

I feel creeped out that the same demographic that celebrated Gaddafi's murder is upset at jokes about Elizabeth who was allowed to die naturally.

Creeped out, not surprised. Nobody educated is surprised lol.

Clinton even made jokes about his death. Now that nation has brought back slavery and people online keep saying Hillary's always right.

A boomer who makes a living leeching off people who actually work is nothing unique. This one just happened to be particularly rich and famous.

Blue_Inigo posted...

Uh they literally do govern the CROWN colonies. It is why they have those names. They control the legislature. They are the administration. The CROWN is who makes the rules.

Lizzy did a bit more than be PR. I'm not gonna sit around and pretend she made every minute decision for them. She obviously had council. But at the end of the day, she was the monarch. It was her job to maintain these crown colonies and keep them under her rule. She was not so far removed from them

Literally everything you said is wrong. This is the equivalent of saying "China is a REPUBLIC. That's why it has Republic in the name."

They are booing at UFC.

https://twitter.com/MirrorFighting/status/1568796497105326085

Billy_Inc posted...

They are booing at UFC.

https://twitter.com/MirrorFighting/status/1568796497105326085

I guess a lot of people really are sick of the politics in their sports

Nobody should have to pretend or hide their true feelings about the Queen, her enablers and those who praise her despite the roles she played in politics. Pointing out the double standards may piss people off when they know they fit the description, but that's reality. Facts over feelings.

But America is still fighting against telling the truth with proper context in schools, so it's no wonder folks hit adulthood trying to punish those who speak out lol.

I am not singling out anyone, but I will say this

Fuck literally all royalty.

BiggLaw posted...

Nobody should have to pretend or hide their true feelings about the Queen, her enablers and those who praise her despite the roles she played in politics. Pointing out the double standards may piss people off when they know they fit the description, but that's reality. Facts over feelings.

But America is still fighting against telling the truth with proper context in schools, so it's no wonder folks hit adulthood trying to punish those who speak out lol.

You are also putting your feelings before facts by saying anything at all.

Blue_Inigo posted...

https://twitter.com/Aldanimarki/status/1567861794605043712?s=20&t=7LdNdetyEJQd-_16kUMR_A

Yep, she did absolutely nothing and had no power /s

She ordered fuck all. What we did was awful but our government is to blame not her on this one.

spikethedevil posted...

She ordered fuck all. What we did was awful but our government is to blame not her on this one.

lolol

ZangsBeard posted...

lolol

Ok then.

When the head of an institution who has raped your people and your sovereign nation for decades/centuries dies, then yeah people tend to jump for joy.

Elizabeth herself has been on the throne as the British have colonized other countries, her hands are just as bloody as that of her father's and every Windsor before her. She has directly benefitted from the British genocide of dozens of cultures at best. We like to pretend she's this doddering old woman with a nice smile and a couple heckin doggos, but under her rule, people have lost their freedom, their wealth and their history. As the head of the British crown, Queen Elizabeth took on the responsibilities of the monarchy, including the sea's worth of blood it was built on - and she absolutely, 100% partook in the same cultural rape that her forefathers did.

The British monarchy is built on genocide, and every Windsor who stands by this deeply racist institution is complicit in the crimes against humanity that allowed such wealth and power to become concentrated under one family - using divine blood blessed by God as their justification for subjugating other cultures and stealing everything they had.

So yeah, a lot of people hated the queen. She, and everything she stood for, fucked a lot of innocent people in the ass.

Im observing that a lot of non British people who liked the queen did it solely because of memes. They dont know much else other than the myriad of memes she was part of.

spikethedevil posted...

Ok then.

*Pats head* It's okay, we know.

Yeah but the people who suffered under Elizabeth's rule were brown and from countries that are hard to find on a map, so privileged westerners would rather think about her as a sweet old lady

ZangsBeard posted...

*Pats head* It's okay, we know.

Got anything else apart from condescending BS with no explanation?

spikethedevil posted...

Got anything else apart from condescending BS with no explanation?

Yes. But it wouldn't matter if I didn't.

ZangsBeard posted...

Yes. But it wouldn't matter if I didn't.

This is a lie.

Revelation34 posted...

This is a lie.

We know that you don't have the capacity for critical thinking, but you don't have to make it so obvious.

What i have noticed with the discord here is a lot of Infantalization. Oh she was just this helpless women who couldn't do anything to stop the horrors of the UK. Then at the same time being held up as a this great leader. It is like they want her to be a leader and a blameless figurehead all at the same time.

Also I still can't get over the Queens people are German and the UK people are like cool with it. Not that being German is bad, but there leader not tracing her roots to the UK.

cjsdowg posted...

Also I still can't get over the Queens people are German and the UK people are like cool with it. Not that being German is bad, but there leader not tracing her roots to the UK.

...but Queen Victoria was from UK...

ZangsBeard posted...

We know that you don't have the capacity for critical thinking, but you don't have to make it so obvious.

I'd you had an explanation then you could actually use words to say it.

MrMallard posted...

Elizabeth herself has been on the throne as the British have colonized other countries, her hands are just as bloody as that of her father's and every Windsor before her. She has directly benefitted from the British genocide of dozens of cultures at best. We like to pretend she's this doddering old woman with a nice smile and a couple heckin doggos, but under her rule, people have lost their freedom, their wealth and their history. As the head of the British crown, Queen Elizabeth took on the responsibilities of the monarchy, including the sea's worth of blood it was built on - and she absolutely, 100% partook in the same cultural rape that her forefathers did.

When your country's entire fucking existence is one of the poisoned fruits of British colonialism - when it's been built over the skeletons of murdered indigenous peoples, and with the sweat and blood of slaves - then you don't get to pretend that there's some uniquely British, culture-raping evil about dead old Liz. Either hand the keys to your home over to the survivors of the people whose stolen land you've been happily living on for generations, or shut the fuck up because the stench of your hypocritical bullshit is nauseating.

Liz (who in fact came to the throne at the very time when Britain began the unstoppable process of decolonizing in Africa and Asia) was no more personally guilty of what long-dead people once did in her great-great-grandfather's and great-great-great-grandmother's name than every single, self-righteous, "anti-colonialist" American who's perfectly happy to keep reaping the rewards of being on the winning side in their own country's dirty, blood-spattered history of brutal colonialism, genocide and slavery.

If you're taking the position that the children deserve to have the sins of the (great-great-grand)fathers heaped upon their heads, then at least have the guts to admit that right now you are all complicit in that shameful history, you are all responsible for its consequences today, and you are all part of the same rotten, morally myopic hypocrisy. So don't go jabbing the finger at dead elderly white Englishwomen as if you're somehow squeaky clean. Blame isn't just for comfortably distant, foreign elites with silly job titles.

MrMallard posted...

When the head of an institution who has raped your people and your sovereign nation for decades/centuries dies, then yeah people tend to jump for joy.

Elizabeth herself has been on the throne as the British have colonized other countries, her hands are just as bloody as that of her father's and every Windsor before her. She has directly benefitted from the British genocide of dozens of cultures at best. We like to pretend she's this doddering old woman with a nice smile and a couple heckin doggos, but under her rule, people have lost their freedom, their wealth and their history. As the head of the British crown, Queen Elizabeth took on the responsibilities of the monarchy, including the sea's worth of blood it was built on - and she absolutely, 100% partook in the same cultural rape that her forefathers did.

The British monarchy is built on genocide, and every Windsor who stands by this deeply racist institution is complicit in the crimes against humanity that allowed such wealth and power to become concentrated under one family - using divine blood blessed by God as their justification for subjugating other cultures and stealing everything they had.

So yeah, a lot of people hated the queen. She, and everything she stood for, fucked a lot of innocent people in the ass.

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I resent the institution that Liz was part of, I despise all the stupid nonsense that goes with it, and I'll have nothing to do with the necrophiliac cult that seems to want to beatify her.

But the people who are gloating over her death seem to be hating Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor rather than Queen Elizabeth II. They're dehumanizing her to nothing more than a symbol, a stereotype - judging her not by anything she actually said, or did, in her life, but instead basing her whole human worth on her stupid job title. And they're inventing bullshit justifications, gulping down and regurgitating any half-baked nonsense they've glanced in some random tweet, to do it. I'll have nothing to do with that either.

seems like most of the people happy she's dead don't really understand how little power she actually had lol. Super weird thing to just gloss over

Oh, the intellectually dishonest...

Power of political authority =/= power of cultural influence.

She was STRONG with the latter and people with political authority respected her enough to show her favoritism, especially amongst colonized nations. She got her way often, even at other's expense. Making an enemy of Lizzy was making an enemy of the UK. She was a symbol for multiple reasons and she played her role, even if unofficial. Since when does anything ever need to be legitimate when colonists are involved? Write a piece of paper and violate it all they want, lmao.

But sure, keep downplaying her and pretending to not be the newest link in an old chain of rhetoric. Pretending to have a level of insight that others don't have, but also can't recognize the nuance when it comes to power and influence lol.

Dishonesty is part of her legacy.

BiggLaw posted...

She was STRONG with the latter and people with political authority respected her enough to show her favoritism, especially amongst colonized nations. She got her way often, even at other's expense. Making an enemy of Lizzy was making an enemy of the UK. She was a symbol for multiple reasons and she played her role, even if unofficial. Since when does anything ever need to be legitimate when colonists are involved? Write a piece of paper and violate it all they want, lmao.

And just how much "cultural influence" did she actually exert upon Colonial Office or Foreign Office policy? What were the issues on which she directly intervened, what policy changes were made in accordance with her expressed wishes, which prime ministers did she successfully bend to her will?

And please, let's not have any of this airy-fairy "Oh, but her influence was so all-pervading that it was intangible, the evidence for it is nowhere because it was everywhere, so I'm sorry but I can't actually offer you any specifics" guff, either. I'll tell you what's "intellectually dishonest": feeling convinced that you don't need to persuade anyone with bothersome old facts because your opinions are too self-evidently correct to require corroboration.

No doubt she had her own opinions and wishes on a variety of issues -- who doesn't? Your job is to demonstrate when, where and how these were actually translated into concrete action and had an impact on policy. Not only that, but to offer more than one or two examples if you want prop up this notion that she supposedly spent her whole life on the throne plotting how to repress, culturally rape, loot and genocide native populations.

Vampire_Chicken posted...

And just how much "cultural influence" did she actually exert upon Colonial Office or Foreign Office policy through informal back channels? What were the issues on which she directly intervened, what policy changes were made in accordance with her expressed wishes, which prime ministers did she successfully bend to her will?

And please, let's not have any of this airy-fairy "Oh, but her influence was so all-pervading that it was intangible, the evidence for it is nowhere because it was everywhere, so I'm sorry but I can't actually offer you any specifics" guff, either. I'll tell you what's "intellectually dishonest": feeling convinced that you don't need to persuade anyone with bothersome old facts because your opinions are too self-evidently correct to require corroboration.

No doubt she had her own opinions and wishes on a variety of issues -- who doesn't? Your job is to demonstrate when, where and how these were actually translated into concrete action and had an impact on policy. Not only that, but to offer more than one or two examples if you want prop up this notion that she supposedly spent her whole life on the throne plotting how to repress, culturally rape, loot and genocide native populations.

But if, on the other hand, all you can say is that she owed a blood debt for the crimes of Britain's colonial past simply because of the family she was born into, and because of the crown that got plonked on her head back in 1952 -- then be careful, because that's a dangerous argument with uncomfortable implications. Because it can be argued that in a democracy, the people, the electorate, are morally accountable for the foreign policies of the government they voted into power, just as much as any elite might be. That's certainly the way Al Qaeda saw things: that every adult American was a legitimate target who somehow deserved to pay the price of past governments' follies. Let's not buy into that "guilty by association" logic that reduces people to symbols and stereotypes to justify their death.

If whoever sits on the throne is guilty of the crimes of whoever's ass was on it back in 1903 because that kind of responsibility goes with the job title, then whoever sits in the Oval Office today is equally guilty of whatever's been done in Uncle Sam's name since 1782. Sound fair enough?

I'll get back to you later. Just acknowledging your post.

BiggLaw posted...

I'll get back to you later. Just acknowledging your post.

Thank you. I might not get around to looking at the topic again until maybe this time tomorrow. I am open to being persuaded - just as everyone ought to be, no matter what side of the fence they're on - but what persuades me is facts.

cjsdowg posted...

What i have noticed with the discord here is a lot of Infantalization. Oh she was just this helpless women who couldn't do anything to stop the horrors of the UK. Then at the same time being held up as a this great leader. It is like they want her to be a leader and a blameless figurehead all at the same time.

Also I still can't get over the Queens people are German and the UK people are like cool with it. Not that being German is bad, but there leader not tracing her roots to the UK.

You'll find this a lot historically.

The Windsors were originally, the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family. But changed it because it was too German.

Before that we had the House Hanover, another Germanic Dynasty.
Before them it was the Stuarts, which were Scottish, but it tied together both Scotland & England.

And if you go as far back as 1066, William the Conquerer was more French (as a Norman). And most English kings after him spoke French as their main tongue instead of English for a couple generations.

And if you wanna go back enough, the Anglo-Saxons were Germanic. They weren't the native Britons.

BigSLM1993 posted...

You'll find this a lot historically.

I just find it so odd, this whole King and Queen stuff. At one point before the Great War one family was monarch of so many different countries. As a american who doesn't even like his own party. I just can't wrap my head around this idea.

She could have abolished the monarchy and did not.

So she deserves the hate.

did she ever play video games

BigSLM1993 posted...

You'll find this a lot historically.

The Windsors were originally, the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family. But changed it because it was too German.

Before that we had the House Hanover, another Germanic Dynasty.
Before them it was the Stuarts, which were Scottish, but it tied together both Scotland & England.

And if you go as far back as 1066, William the Conquerer was more French (as a Norman). And most English kings after him spoke French as their main tongue instead of English for a couple generations.

And if you wanna go back enough, the Anglo-Saxons were Germanic. They weren't the native Britons.

And the Normans originates from Scandinavian vikings.

Wouldnt surprise me if its Russia drumming up latent feelings to try and divide and conquer.

SHRlKE posted...

Wouldnt surprise me if its Russia drumming up latent feelings to try and divide and conquer.

I'm all for blaming the Russians for things, but there was absolutely a substantial undercurrent of dislike for the monarchy that has grown over the years. I don't think the anti-Windsor crowd needing much of a push if any.

Yes I dont disagree with that. But I wouldnt put it against them to fan the flames.

See: brexit.

SHRlKE posted...

Wouldnt surprise me if its Russia drumming up latent feelings to try and divide and conquer.

excuse me but Russia wants people to love royalty so people can see Putin as a king

they would not ever try to sow discontent against a monarchy

WingsOfGood posted...

excuse me but Russia wants people to love royalty so people can see Putin as a king

they would not ever try to sow discontent against a monarchy

No. Russia wants people to love Putin. They dont give a fuck about the royalty in other countries.