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The easy answer is make Scum kill compulsory

masterplum posted...

You spoke too much in chat and made rulings before consulting with experienced hosts.

See, I was actually trying to talk LESS in chat, so I appreciate this feedback. Chris talked a LOT in the chats for his games so, since I didn't want to give anything away, I was trying to figure out how to toe that line. Next time I will only answer questions and be more hands-off, so thanks.

The hasty rulings I will agree on. I should ask more people before quickly doing things like that. And next time I won't give a specific percentage of scum if I may have to violate it - I was honestly expecting 12-13 players and I only got 10, which is why I made that statement.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

The easy answer is make Scum kill compulsory

This could work if scum gets ONE deliberate no kill. If they choose to use it, they certainly can.

Of course my next game is going to have insane roles and hopefully that'll be more fun for people.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

The easy answer is make Scum kill compulsory

At mylo or all the time?

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Of course my next game is going to have insane roles and hopefully that'll be more fun for people.

Making insane roles is more fun for the host based on their idea of how the game should interact, rarely do the players make the plays that you think they should so just make sure you have some experienced give you feedback on them.

You know, all this talk about self-voting is giving me an idea for a unique mechanic and a game built around it

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Of course my next game is going to have insane roles and hopefully that'll be more fun for people.

again, you need to step back a bit before you get experimental.

Chris is allowed to be experimental. You have much to learn before you can be chris.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

At mylo or all the time?

All the time.

We make SK's kill, after all

I think I played decent enough, couldn't be that much around day 1. But I was spot on on Ben. The most annoying thing (this messy endgame as spectator aside) was not getting to post at the end of day 2 before Ulti hammered himself. I thought Ulti was town after Corrik's stunt and Ben made some mistakes in his claim. Wouldn't ever get to post again lol.

I thought plum and IGCD were the other two when that day ended. Mostly through poe. Went well.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Making insane roles is more fun for the host based on their idea of how the game should interact, rarely do the players make the plays that you think they should so just make sure you have some experienced give you feedback on them.

Oh, that's the plan. I want to run it by Chris and a few other folks first. Some of this is wild shit. The idea is to give people these ridiculous roles and then sit back and what what happens.

When it happens, I wouldn't want anyone to take that game seriously. I want people to let loose and have fun with it.

From scum chat, corrik was originally the top pick for n1 kill? That would have been hilarious. All that work for a nl, and nothing to show for it.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I want people to let loose and have fun with it.

Those two are not compatible for mafia here lol

I want to stress insane roles is not the point.

Make interesting flavorful roles.

Ive found my most interesting roles were not broken, but rather combinations of things that can happen normally in mafia in weird and unexpected ways

As for my replacing: nothing so damning as "caught in a corner" or anything. I merely got really sick last week and couldn't pay any attention. Still lingering

Isquen posted...

As for my replacing: nothing so damning as "caught in a corner" or anything. I merely got really sick last week and couldn't pay any attention. Still lingering

You won! Congratulations!

Did I, though? That was all you.

Obellisk posted...

again, you need to step back a bit before you get experimental.

Chris is allowed to be experimental. You have much to learn before you can be chris.

sbell relax jesus christ

I actually think as we saw here, the hard part is the boring part.

If you are a new host then as long as your setup is being approved, making crazy mafia roles is both fairly harmless and also fun. I recommend new hosts try to make flavorful roles.

The hard part is what do you do when someone is directly asking you questions in topic or claiming you said something to them in game which is making other players quit.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I did have a thought before Corrik died that the cop and doctor would be scum and/or the gf was town to essentially turn the game into an 8v2 vanilla fest because the roles would have been useless, which is why I was really disliking the setup meta from corrik because I knew there wasn't three scum but he was just so adamant about fear mongering 3 scum it was really throwing me off.

Host literally said scum was 25-33%. He said he made a mistake and will learn from it going forward. It wasn't fear mongering, it was information given to the game erroneously.

1. Locked votes or not at end is host discretion. Announce beforehand if using locked voted, if so keep consistent.

2. Self voting is host discretion. It has uses that are beneficial. Make sure it is known if allowing self-voting. There can even be roles that benefit from this, like a target bomb, bomb, lawyer, mayor, unlynchable, information role not being believed, scum ending day earlier, etc.

3. Stalemate is 3 turns of no killing action. Scum and town should not be compelled to act. A stalemate is a stalemate. If you wish to not allow a stalemate, after 2 turns the original initiator is forced to act, in order to be playing to win and not allowing a stalemate. For example, plum no kills, town no lynch in favor, plum has to then kill because he has to play to win and not accept the stalemate.

4. Don't talk to players in game when hosting AT ALL. Less communication is good. If someone has an actual question, they can pm you and you can respond to them. They cannot use host communication outside the game to appear an alignment.

5. Make sure you adjust your rules to the setup to be clear of what is to be expected. .

6. Keep flavor tangibly related to the game and nebulous if going to be about the game. Do not give hints in flavor, confirm details in flavor, or steer the game via flavor.

7. Listen to Corrik if you want to win.

Isquen posted...

Did I, though? That was all you.

You played in the same slot. You were part of the winning team. I'd take it.

Corrik7 posted...

Host literally said scum was 25-33%. He said he made a mistake and will learn from it going forward. It wasn't fear mongering, it was information given to the game erroneously.

Yeah, my mistake was disclosing the percentage as a catch-all for whatever number of players I got, not realizing that - as a rookie host - 25-33% wasn't feasible for smaller games where such a number could make for a MYLO on D2. This was my bad. Next time will be a bigger game with a fixed number of roles, and will be semi-open in that you know that most people have some kind of ludicrous role. I may also disclose the number of scum, but whether or not I do will be determined by how that affects balance since it gives town more power.

Hbthebattle posted...

You know, all this talk about self-voting is giving me an idea for a unique mechanic and a game built around it

Add it to the queue lol

masterplum posted...

I want to stress insane roles is not the point.

Make interesting flavorful roles.

Ive found my most interesting roles were not broken, but rather combinations of things that can happen normally in mafia in weird and unexpected ways

I take pride in my setups

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I take pride in my setups

Flipping roles over night is definitely normal roles in weird and interesting ways

UltimaterializerX posted...

Replacing out for anything other than a personal emergency should be modkilled now that players have gotten cute and started using it as a way to avoid getting lynched. I got suspended for multiple games for doing that once, because it was considered toxic to the game itself.

I'm legitimately, brain-foggingly ill. Don't even pull that card on me, because I was considering announcing it in topic the night beforehand.

UltimaterializerX posted...

This doesn't mean Andy should cohost TEN games though, JFC Stu

no, i think he needs to play more here before he be allowed to host another game. I don't think that's unreasonable. he's played what 2 games and in one he quit middle of day 1. He was supposed to be hosting a simple open setup small game, something even a rook should be able to do. He got too caught up in the outlandish and crazy that we have injected into b8 games of late. I think it was too soon to remove the training wheels.

I'm not going to sugar coat my criticism.

Didn't pay full attention but no kill spam is generally the right move at 4.

But I think the game should end in a draw if both teams NL + NK per the Corrik 3 phase idea.

Kirby poor and undeserves trend of being alive the whole game but losing continues! I'm sorry buddy. Happy about your compliments this game btw!

UltimaterializerX posted...

The modkill there is dumb.

I'm 90% sure the completely inconsequential modkill there was just a joke lol

And yeah, I agree with all of Corrik's propositions.

Regarding toxicity, I wasn't here for the toxic days of Mafia, but I do feel like people need to chill out whenever town loses. People are quick to call each other idiots on a town loss and focus on everything that went wrong with the game. Like, yeah, town can lose because the remaining people alive were a bunch of knuckleheads, but it's not like scum can play like buffoons and win the game off of it.

This isn't targeted at anyone in particular, and I'm not excused from this, either. But I feel like people need to focus more on the ggs and encouragement rather than being the first to say "I told you so". Part of having fun with the game is also being a good sport, even if the game may have been infuriating or boring as sin to watch on the sidelines.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Kirby poor and undeserves trend of being alive the whole game but losing continues! I'm sorry buddy. Happy about your compliments this game btw!

Naw, this one was deserved. I directly contributed to the loss this time, but I appreciate it haha

These next games are gonna be my training arc. Gotta break the curse one way or another! Watch out, B8!

I say we just have a game where you're only allowed to be toxic and you're modkilled if you're nice at all.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I say we just have a game where you're only allowed to be toxic and you're modkilled if you're nice at all.

Nah

Corrik7 posted...

Nah

That was clearly a joke.

As was the "mod kill" of SBell. Only since he asked for it.

I think the goal should be to play to win. Stalemate should be treated as a loss for both sides.

Self-voting can be fine but the way it was used here is wrong and certainly seemed to violate the "play to win" rule.

I thought BCT did OK, and I think any of the vets that are crapping on him should just be trying to help him. I think it's best to try and build the community.

It's okay to mislynch someone, or be mislynched, or get caught as scum!

I agree that the focus should be on this being a game, and an attempt at having fun :)