Poll of the Day > lmao, Lauren bobert used to be an "escort" and has had two abortions

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FatalAccident 06/15/22 3:03:44 PM #104:	ParanoidObsessive posted... And you generally show a complete lack of capacity to learn from your own mistakes or feel regret for your own terrible life choices, so I understand why you might have trouble understanding the premise that others might. Fucking lol --- walks away <cite>FatalAccident posted [p:965836978] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>And you generally show a complete lack of capacity to learn from your own mistakes or feel regret for your own terrible life choices, so I understand why you might have trouble understanding the premise that others might.</quote>Fucking lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 06/15/22 3:10:26 PM #105:	Telling Jen she's going "off the rails" is "she must be on the rag" energy --- https://i.imgur.com/ZwO4qO2.gifv What's better than roses on your piano? Tulips on your organ. <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:965837148] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Telling Jen she's going "off the rails" is "she must be on the rag" energy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 06/15/22 3:30:45 PM #106:	Is Jen suggesting that pro-life women's opinions are more valid than pro-choice men? --- What would Bligh do? <cite>Zareth posted [p:965837747] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Is Jen suggesting that pro-life women's opinions are more valid than pro-choice men? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 3:31:02 PM #107:	Far-Queue posted... Telling Jen she's going "off the rails" is "she must be on the rag" energy "don't be so hysteric" <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965837758] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Telling Jen she's going "off the rails" is "she must be on the rag" energy</quote> "don't be so hysteric" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 3:31:29 PM #108:	Zareth posted... Is Jen suggesting that pro-life women's opinions are more valid than pro-choice men? Yes. I don't agree with their opinion at all and would argue against it but it's more valid. <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965837766] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Zareth posted... </cite> <quote>Is Jen suggesting that pro-life women's opinions are more valid than pro-choice men?</quote> Yes. I don't agree with their opinion at all and would argue against it but it's more valid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 06/15/22 3:36:43 PM #109:	Jen0125 posted... Yes. I don't agree with their opinion at all and would argue against it but it's more valid. If an opinion is valid, it's valid regardless of who is saying it. A statement doesn't somehow become less true if the speaker changes. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:965837905] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>Yes. I don't agree with their opinion at all and would argue against it but it's more valid.</quote>If an opinion is valid, it's valid regardless of who is saying it. A statement doesn't somehow become less true if the speaker changes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 3:44:24 PM #110:	darkknight109 posted... If an opinion is valid, it's valid regardless of who is saying it. A statement doesn't somehow become less true if the speaker changes. I don't agree. <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965838080] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>If an opinion is valid, it's valid regardless of who is saying it. A statement doesn't somehow become less true if the speaker changes.</quote> I don't agree. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeggomyEggos 06/15/22 3:49:57 PM #111:	Jen0125 posted... I'm done with this topic now. Another shining example of male fragility on PotD. This was like 30 posts and 3 hours ago, but jen just cant help it. She mad. <cite>LeggomyEggos posted [p:965838204] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm done with this topic now. Another shining example of male fragility on PotD. </quote> This was like 30 posts and 3 hours ago, but jen just cant help it. She mad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 3:53:37 PM #112:	LeggomyEggos posted... This was like 30 posts and 3 hours ago, but jen just cant help it. She mad. I'm not talking about the actual topic anymore lol <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965838295] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>LeggomyEggos posted... </cite> <quote>This was like 30 posts and 3 hours ago, but jen just cant help it. She mad.</quote> I'm not talking about the actual topic anymore lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 3:56:56 PM #113:	Also I'm not mad I'm just not exerting any self control because I'm bored and also I ate <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965838393] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Also I'm not mad I'm just not exerting any self control because I'm bored and also I ate </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 06/15/22 4:02:22 PM #114:	Jen0125 posted... I don't agree. "Women should have the right to control their reproductive health, free of any outside interference." Explain why that statement is wrong if said by a man. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:965838524] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>I don't agree.</quote>"Women should have the right to control their reproductive health, free of any outside interference." Explain why that statement is wrong if said by a man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 4:07:31 PM #115:	darkknight109 posted... "Women should have the right to control their reproductive health, free of any outside interference." Explain why that statement is wrong if said by a man. Point out where I said that comment said by a man would be wrong. Please provide a direct quote. <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965838656] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>"Women should have the right to control their reproductive health, free of any outside interference." Explain why that statement is wrong if said by a man.</quote> Point out where I said that comment said by a man would be wrong. Please provide a direct quote. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 06/15/22 4:13:31 PM #116:	Saying an opinion is less valid is not dismissing that opinion wholesale. Merely suggesting it carries less weight. Not something to be so butthurt over honestly but here we are --- https://i.imgur.com/ZwO4qO2.gifv What's better than roses on your piano? Tulips on your organ. <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:965838791] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Saying an opinion is less valid is not dismissing that opinion wholesale. Merely suggesting it carries less weight. Not something to be so butthurt over honestly but here we are </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 4:14:33 PM #117:	Far-Queue posted... Saying an opinion is less valid is not dismissing that opinion wholesale. Merely suggesting it carries less weight. Not something to be so butthurt over honestly but here we are There's so much I want to say but I won't bother waste it in this topic lol potd is seriously overrun with sensitive misogynists <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965838823] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Saying an opinion is less valid is not dismissing that opinion wholesale. Merely suggesting it carries less weight. Not something to be so butthurt over honestly but here we are</quote> There's so much I want to say but I won't bother waste it in this topic lol potd is seriously overrun with sensitive misogynists </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 06/15/22 4:28:45 PM #118:	Far-Queue posted... No one, but you're the one trying to take a woman to task for having a passionate opinion regarding her right to bodily autonomy But she's not being taken to task for having a passionate opinion regarding her right to bodily autonomy. Everyone she's arguing with has that same passionate opinion regarding her right to bodily autonomy. She's being taken to task for categorically telling people they aren't allowed to have that same passionate opinion regarding her right to bodily autonomy because they have the wrong genitals, since that's just plain silly. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:965839201] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>No one, but you're the one trying to take a woman to task for having a passionate opinion regarding her right to bodily autonomy</quote> But she's not being taken to task for having a passionate opinion regarding her right to bodily autonomy. Everyone she's arguing with has that same passionate opinion regarding her right to bodily autonomy. She's being taken to task for categorically telling people they aren't allowed to have that same passionate opinion regarding her right to bodily autonomy because they have the wrong genitals, since that's just plain silly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bligh_with_no_T 06/15/22 4:42:35 PM #119:	If we just give adjl a womb we would have the most comprehensive knowledge of abortion concentrated in a single human being <cite>Bligh_with_no_T posted [p:965839543] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>If we just give adjl a womb we would have the most comprehensive knowledge of abortion concentrated in a single human being </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Adam_Savage 06/15/22 4:43:40 PM #120:	then he would understand why half of his argument is stupid maybe --- that's one body that'll never be found you see, little sister don't miss when she aims her gun <cite>Adam_Savage posted [p:965839572] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>then he would understand why half of his argument is stupid maybe</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bligh_with_no_T 06/15/22 4:45:50 PM #121:	For the record I probably have more authority than anyone else in this topic on abortions, I almost was one <cite>Bligh_with_no_T posted [p:965839625] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>For the record I probably have more authority than anyone else in this topic on abortions, I almost was one </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Adam_Savage 06/15/22 5:06:13 PM #122:	i maintain that i should have been one --- that's one body that'll never be found you see, little sister don't miss when she aims her gun <cite>Adam_Savage posted [p:965840152] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>i maintain that i should have been one</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 06/15/22 5:07:47 PM #123:	Didn't Boebert marry her rapist? --- What would Bligh do? <cite>Zareth posted [p:965840194] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Didn't Boebert marry her rapist? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 06/15/22 5:17:14 PM #124:	Jen0125 posted... Point out where I said that comment said by a man would be wrong. Please provide a direct quote. Jen0125 posted... But I'm going to call out the asinine nature of men clamoring to control female reproductive rights every time I see it. I don't care if it's positive or negative. It's not your fucking business point blank. Far-Queue posted... Saying an opinion is less valid is not dismissing that opinion wholesale. Merely suggesting it carries less weight. That's a very questionable definition of the word valid: "valid /vald/ adjective (of an argument or point) having a sound basis in logic or fact; reasonable or cogent." Your genitals don't determine how logical or fact-based your arguments are. Period. If someone's opinion on abortion is grounded in rational arguments and sound analysis, it is a valid opinion and that is true regardless of who the speaker is or what is between their legs. This is exactly what the ad hominem logical fallacy is - an argument is only ever wrong based on the content and basis of that argument, not on who is making it. Now you could argue that a someone's opinion has less weight than someone else's, which is not the same thing as saying it's less valid. That, at least, is a logically sound approach to weighing opposing points of view. Doing that on the basis of what genitals someone has is pretty fuckin' stupid, though. Again, there are men out there whose arguments we absolutely should be giving greater weight to - not because they are men, but because they have some qualifications or experience that should be given particular note. If a man is the head doctor at an abortion clinic with an M.D. and a specialty in OB/GYN, has 20 years experience and has treated thousands of pregnant women over the course of his career, I am going to give his opinion on, say, the safety, necessity, and ethicality of abortion substantially more weight than that of a woman with no medical background who has never been pregnant or had an abortion. This would be equally true if said doctor was a woman and the layperson was a man. Again, I don't need to be a cancer survivor to understand that cancer is a shitty disease and the people who have it usually go through hell. My opinions on the necessity of good cancer patient care are not invalidated because I have no firsthand experience with it (the same way the opinions of a woman on abortion aren't invalidated if she has never been pregnant). --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:965840457] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>Point out where I said that comment said by a man would be wrong. Please provide a direct quote.</quote> Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>But I'm going to call out the asinine nature of men clamoring to control female reproductive rights every time I see it. I don't care if it's positive or negative. It's not your fucking business point blank.</quote> Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Saying an opinion is less valid is not dismissing that opinion wholesale. Merely suggesting it carries less weight.</quote>That's a very questionable definition of the word valid: "valid /vald/ adjective (of an argument or point) having a sound basis in logic or fact; reasonable or cogent." Your genitals don't determine how logical or fact-based your arguments are. Period. If someone's opinion on abortion is grounded in rational arguments and sound analysis, it is a valid opinion and that is true regardless of who the speaker is or what is between their legs. This is exactly what the ad hominem logical fallacy is - an argument is only ever wrong based on the content and basis of that argument, not on who is making it. Now you could argue that a someone's opinion has less weight than someone else's, which is not the same thing as saying it's less valid. That, at least, is a logically sound approach to weighing opposing points of view. Doing that on the basis of what genitals someone has is pretty fuckin' stupid, though. Again, there are men out there whose arguments we absolutely should be giving greater weight to - not because they are men, but because they have some qualifications or experience that should be given particular note. If a man is the head doctor at an abortion clinic with an M.D. and a specialty in OB/GYN, has 20 years experience and has treated thousands of pregnant women over the course of his career, I am going to give his opinion on, say, the safety, necessity, and ethicality of abortion substantially more weight than that of a woman with no medical background who has never been pregnant or had an abortion. This would be equally true if said doctor was a woman and the layperson was a man. Again, I don't need to be a cancer survivor to understand that cancer is a shitty disease and the people who have it usually go through hell. My opinions on the necessity of good cancer patient care are not invalidated because I have no firsthand experience with it (the same way the opinions of a woman on abortion aren't invalidated if she has never been pregnant). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Adam_Savage 06/15/22 5:20:43 PM #125:	being pedantic specifically so you can somehow still tell the woman she's less important than a man lmfao --- that's one body that'll never be found you see, little sister don't miss when she aims her gun <cite>Adam_Savage posted [p:965840538] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>being pedantic specifically so you can somehow still tell the woman she's less important than a man lmfao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 5:24:02 PM #126:	If you want to have a semantics argument you can do that with yourself. <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965840631] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>If you want to have a semantics argument you can do that with yourself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 06/15/22 5:38:54 PM #127:	Adam_Savage posted... being pedantic specifically so you can somehow still tell the woman she's less important than a man lmfao Jen0125 posted... If you want to have a semantics argument you can do that with yourself. Your opinions are invalid. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:965841012] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Adam_Savage posted... </cite> <quote>being pedantic specifically so you can somehow still tell the woman she's less important than a man lmfao</quote> Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>If you want to have a semantics argument you can do that with yourself.</quote>Your opinions are invalid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirtBasedSoap 06/15/22 5:48:57 PM #128:	literally who the fuck cares lmao like seriously imagine arguing about abortion on a dying video game forum from the 90s. youre going to be dead in 80-100 years at most and this is how youre spending your time? you arent changing anyones minds. goes back to looking at shitty breaking bad memes --- im gay <cite>DirtBasedSoap posted [p:965841273] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>literally who the fuck cares lmao like seriously imagine arguing about abortion on a dying video game forum from the 90s. youre going to be dead in 80-100 years at most and this is how youre spending your time? you arent changing anyones minds. goes back to looking at shitty breaking bad memes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 06/15/22 5:52:24 PM #129:	Adam_Savage posted... being pedantic specifically so you can somehow still tell the woman she's less important than a man Where exactly are you finding that? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:965841368] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Adam_Savage posted... </cite> <quote>being pedantic specifically so you can somehow still tell the woman she's less important than a man</quote> Where exactly are you finding that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VampireCoyote 06/15/22 6:01:11 PM #130:	keyblader1985 posted... Somebody close this --- She/her <cite>VampireCoyote posted [p:965841627] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>keyblader1985 posted... </cite> <quote>Somebody close this</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 06/15/22 6:11:15 PM #131:	adjl posted... But she's not being taken to task for having a passionate opinion Nah son saying Jen is "off the rails" for arguing a point that pertains to the very real possibility that Roe could be overturned in the not too distant future is exactly that - taking her to task for having a passionate opinion. Whether they agree with her is moot when you consider what is at stake. Saying she's "off the rails" is to dismiss the fact that she and women like her could potentially lose their rights Trudeau says all adult men must be circumcised or risk being thrown in gaol. Would you say a man is "off the rails" for arguing that their opinion of what should be done with their foreskin is more important than some random woman's opinion on a message board? --- https://i.imgur.com/ZwO4qO2.gifv What's better than roses on your piano? Tulips on your organ. <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:965841897] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>But she's not being taken to task for having a passionate opinion</quote>Nah son saying Jen is "off the rails" for arguing a point that pertains to the very real possibility that Roe could be overturned in the not too distant future is exactly that - taking her to task for having a passionate opinion. Whether they agree with her is moot when you consider what is at stake. Saying she's "off the rails" is to dismiss the fact that she and women like her could potentially lose their rights Trudeau says all adult men must be circumcised or risk being thrown in gaol. Would you say a man is "off the rails" for arguing that their opinion of what should be done with their foreskin is more important than some random woman's opinion on a message board? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeggomyEggos 06/15/22 6:21:27 PM #132:	Yall should know that most women dont think the same way she does on this topic. Most of us recognize that this sort of exclusionary toxicity is polarizing and harmful to the ends that she is claiming to fight for. It's funny and all to poke fun at her, but I trust at least most of you are mature enough not to let it turn you against a womans right to choose. <cite>LeggomyEggos posted [p:965842114] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Yall should know that most women dont think the same way she does on this topic. Most of us recognize that this sort of exclusionary toxicity is polarizing and harmful to the ends that she is claiming to fight for. It's funny and all to poke fun at her, but I trust at least most of you are mature enough not to let it turn you against a womans right to choose. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 06/15/22 6:21:39 PM #133:	Far-Queue posted... Nah son saying Jen is "off the rails" for arguing a point that pertains to the very real possibility that Roe could be overturned in the not too distant future is exactly that - taking her to task for having a passionate opinion. No one said Jen shouldn't have a "passionate opinion" against abortion. Many of the people she's been arguing against in this topic are in full agreement with her on that point. People are saying it's dumb for her to suggest that men's opinions against abortion aren't valid purely because they are men. It's her stance against men that people are taking issue with, not her stance against abortion. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:965842125] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Nah son saying Jen is "off the rails" for arguing a point that pertains to the very real possibility that Roe could be overturned in the not too distant future is exactly that - taking her to task for having a passionate opinion.</quote>No one said Jen shouldn't have a "passionate opinion" against abortion. Many of the people she's been arguing against in this topic are in full agreement with her on that point. People are saying it's dumb for her to suggest that men's opinions against abortion aren't valid purely because they are men. It's her stance against men that people are taking issue with, not her stance against abortion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 06/15/22 6:31:13 PM #134:	LeggomyEggos posted... Yall should know that most women dont think the same way she does on this topic. Most of us recognize that this sort of exclusionary toxicity is polarizing and harmful to the ends that she is claiming to fight for. It's funny and all to poke fun at her, but I trust at least most of you are mature enough not to let it turn you against a womans right to choose. To me, this is the frustrating part about people like Jen. Like... we're on the same side here, or at least we should be. I may not be personally affected by this, but I have women in my life who I care about who absolutely could be. My sister got an abortion years ago because she was not ready to start a family at that time. I have and will continue to lend my voice to this cause because I believe it's important. I mean, I'm not even in the right country to be affected by Roe v. Wade, but I still speak up about this because I don't think women anywhere should be restricted in their right to seek reproductive healthcare. That's why I find it annoying when people like Jen say, "Not your fight, fuck off" - she's literally arguing for less support in the fight against backwards abortion restrictions. And for what? Nothing is gained by doing this. I am not LGBTQ; I will still argue in favour of their rights. I am white as a polar bear's ass; I will still argue for racial justice and equality. I am not a woman; I will still argue for women's rights. And to anyone in this topic who is offended by any of those ideas, politely fuck off. These causes are more important than your vanity and personal hang-ups. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:965842353] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>LeggomyEggos posted... </cite> <quote>Yall should know that most women dont think the same way she does on this topic. Most of us recognize that this sort of exclusionary toxicity is polarizing and harmful to the ends that she is claiming to fight for. It's funny and all to poke fun at her, but I trust at least most of you are mature enough not to let it turn you against a womans right to choose.</quote>To me, this is the frustrating part about people like Jen. Like... we're on the same side here, or at least we should be. I may not be personally affected by this, but I have women in my life who I care about who absolutely could be. My sister got an abortion years ago because she was not ready to start a family at that time. I have and will continue to lend my voice to this cause because I believe it's important. I mean, I'm not even in the right country to be affected by Roe v. Wade, but I still speak up about this because I don't think women anywhere should be restricted in their right to seek reproductive healthcare. That's why I find it annoying when people like Jen say, "Not your fight, fuck off" - she's literally arguing for less support in the fight against backwards abortion restrictions. And for what? Nothing is gained by doing this. I am not LGBTQ; I will still argue in favour of their rights. I am white as a polar bear's ass; I will still argue for racial justice and equality. I am not a woman; I will still argue for women's rights. And to anyone in this topic who is offended by any of those ideas, politely fuck off. These causes are more important than your vanity and personal hang-ups. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 06/15/22 7:21:55 PM #135:	darkknight109 posted... No one said... Once again, saying she's "off the rails" is shaming her for voicing her opinion. I'll keep repeating it if you need me to. That aside, would you feel comfortable with women deciding whether or not men should be circumcised? Would their opinions matter equally to men's opinions? --- https://i.imgur.com/ZwO4qO2.gifv What's better than roses on your piano? Tulips on your organ. <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:965843498] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>No one said...</quote> Once again, saying she's "off the rails" is shaming her for voicing her opinion. I'll keep repeating it if you need me to. That aside, would you feel comfortable with women deciding whether or not men should be circumcised? Would their opinions matter equally to men's opinions? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 7:34:04 PM #136:	Fragile men having emotional meltdowns itt <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965843748] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Fragile men having emotional meltdowns itt </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VampireCoyote 06/15/22 7:35:23 PM #137:	Obviously if you cant get pregnant the issue doesnt effect you to the extent it does to someone able to contract the dreaded preg-virus --- She/her <cite>VampireCoyote posted [p:965843779] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Obviously if you cant get pregnant the issue doesnt effect you to the extent it does to someone able to contract the dreaded preg-virus </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 06/15/22 7:35:54 PM #138:	Far-Queue posted... Nah son saying Jen is "off the rails" for arguing a point that pertains to the very real possibility that Roe could be overturned in the not too distant future is exactly that - taking her to task for having a passionate opinion. Whether they agree with her is moot when you consider what is at stake. Saying she's "off the rails" is to dismiss the fact that she and women like her could potentially lose their rights But she's not being criticized for being "off the rails" about abortion being under fire. Frankly, I'm also "off the rails" about that, and I might even go so far as to suggest that anyone that isn't is a bad person. She's being criticized for being "off the rails" about people expressing opinions that agree with her because she's arbitrarily decided they're not the right sort of people to have opinions that are worth listening to. There are absolutely times when men's opinions on abortion can and should be shut down just because they're men. Those times, however, are limited exclusively to those where they're using those opinions to erode or restrict rights: If you will never suffer harm from having certain rights restricted, you shouldn't be taken seriously when you say that restricting those rights isn't a problem. Having a problem with rights being restricted, however, doesn't require that problem to be a personal one, so there's no reason to take gender into account in evaluating that position. Far-Queue posted... Trudeau says all adult men must be circumcised or risk being thrown in gaol. Would you say a man is "off the rails" for arguing that their opinion of what should be done with their foreskin is more important than some random woman's opinion on a message board? Depends on the opinion. If the opinion is that that's a violation of the fundamental right to bodily autonomy (which circumcising infants is, as an aside), that's an equally valid opinion regardless of who's saying it, because the basis for that opinion does not rely on gender-exclusive experiences. If the opinion is that it's a good idea because it looks better and nothing of value is lost, not so much, because that opinion is formed without having the critical experience needed to conclude that nothing is lost by removing the foreskin. The bottom line is that not all opinions on issues that exclusively or disproportionately affects a given subpopulation require experience that's exclusive to that subpopulation to be valid. An opinion's validity is based on how grounded it is in objective reality and logical consistency. Sometimes, the only way to get that objective basis is to personally experience it, and sometimes that experience is exclusive to certain subgroups. Saying "pregnancy isn't that bad" is an opinion where that is true: You cannot credibly make that statement without personally experiencing how bad pregnancy and childbirth can be. Saying "the US has a maternal mortality rate of 17 per 100,000," however, is not: Credibly making that statement only requires you to have read the statistic and critically evaluated its accuracy. LeggomyEggos posted... It's funny and all to poke fun at her, but I trust at least most of you are mature enough not to let it turn you against a womans right to choose. I'm fairly certain everyone here is, but I still consider it to generally be a really bad idea. There are absolutely fence-sitters that would be swayed into leaning pro-life by encountering enough pro-choicers that are behaving like Jen. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:965843795] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Nah son saying Jen is "off the rails" for arguing a point that pertains to the very real possibility that Roe could be overturned in the not too distant future is exactly that - taking her to task for having a passionate opinion. Whether they agree with her is moot when you consider what is at stake. Saying she's "off the rails" is to dismiss the fact that she and women like her could potentially lose their rights</quote> But she's not being criticized for being "off the rails" about abortion being under fire. Frankly, I'm also "off the rails" about that, and I might even go so far as to suggest that anyone that isn't is a bad person. She's being criticized for being "off the rails" about people expressing opinions that agree with her because she's arbitrarily decided they're not the right sort of people to have opinions that are worth listening to. There are absolutely times when men's opinions on abortion can and should be shut down just because they're men. Those times, however, are limited exclusively to those where they're using those opinions to erode or restrict rights: If you will never suffer harm from having certain rights restricted, you shouldn't be taken seriously when you say that restricting those rights isn't a problem. Having a problem with rights being restricted, however, doesn't require that problem to be a personal one, so there's no reason to take gender into account in evaluating that position. Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Trudeau says all adult men must be circumcised or risk being thrown in gaol. Would you say a man is "off the rails" for arguing that their opinion of what should be done with their foreskin is more important than some random woman's opinion on a message board?</quote> Depends on the opinion. If the opinion is that that's a violation of the fundamental right to bodily autonomy (which circumcising infants is, as an aside), that's an equally valid opinion regardless of who's saying it, because the basis for that opinion does not rely on gender-exclusive experiences. If the opinion is that it's a good idea because it looks better and nothing of value is lost, not so much, because that opinion is formed without having the critical experience needed to conclude that nothing is lost by removing the foreskin. The bottom line is that not all opinions on issues that exclusively or disproportionately affects a given subpopulation require experience that's exclusive to that subpopulation to be valid. An opinion's validity is based on how grounded it is in objective reality and logical consistency. Sometimes, the only way to get that objective basis is to personally experience it, and sometimes that experience is exclusive to certain subgroups. Saying "pregnancy isn't that bad" is an opinion where that is true: You cannot credibly make that statement without personally experiencing how bad pregnancy and childbirth can be. Saying "the US has a maternal mortality rate of 17 per 100,000," however, is not: Credibly making that statement only requires you to have read the statistic and critically evaluated its accuracy. LeggomyEggos posted... </cite> <quote>It's funny and all to poke fun at her, but I trust at least most of you are mature enough not to let it turn you against a womans right to choose.</quote> I'm fairly certain everyone here is, but I still consider it to generally be a really bad idea. There are absolutely fence-sitters that would be swayed into leaning pro-life by encountering enough pro-choicers that are behaving like Jen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 7:37:09 PM #139:	Lmao can you guys name a fence sitter on this board? A single abortion fence sitter. You're trying to protect a demographic that does not exist here. <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965843820] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Lmao can you guys name a fence sitter on this board? A single abortion fence sitter. You're trying to protect a demographic that does not exist here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeSantis2024 06/15/22 7:38:16 PM #140:	Im pro-life but ultimately it is the women carrying the babys choice and people should respect that choice. <cite>DeSantis2024 posted [p:965843845] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Im pro-life but ultimately it is the women carrying the babys choice and people should respect that choice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 06/15/22 7:38:20 PM #141:	Are you actually suggesting that PotD is a meaningful sample size in any way? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:965843846] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Are you actually suggesting that PotD is a meaningful sample size in any way? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 7:40:07 PM #142:	adjl posted... Are you actually suggesting that PotD is a meaningful sample size in any way? Well my behavior is being posted on PotD. So whose opinion am I affecting negatively here? Who am I turning off from being pro choice here? <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965843885] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Are you actually suggesting that PotD is a meaningful sample size in any way?</quote> Well my behavior is being posted on PotD. So whose opinion am I affecting negatively here? Who am I turning off from being pro choice here? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VampireCoyote 06/15/22 7:40:32 PM #143:	DeSantis2024 posted... Im pro-life but ultimately it is the women carrying the babys choice and people should respect that choice. it sounds like youre actually pro-choice --- She/her <cite>VampireCoyote posted [p:965843895] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>DeSantis2024 posted... </cite> <quote>Im pro-life but ultimately it is the women carrying the babys choice and people should respect that choice.</quote> it sounds like youre actually pro-choice </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 06/15/22 7:42:09 PM #144:	Jen0125 posted... Well my behavior is being posted on PotD. So whose opinion am I affecting negatively here? Who am I turning off from being pro choice here? You don't believe any of this strongly enough for it to carry into your everyday life? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:965843935] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>Well my behavior is being posted on PotD. So whose opinion am I affecting negatively here? Who am I turning off from being pro choice here?</quote> You don't believe any of this strongly enough for it to carry into your everyday life? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 7:42:36 PM #145:	Seems to me you guys are just trying to virtue signal for a population that doesn't exist here because.. You're upset I said a male opinion on female healthcare is not as valid as a female opinion. Boo hoo lol <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965843948] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Seems to me you guys are just trying to virtue signal for a population that doesn't exist here because.. You're upset I said a male opinion on female healthcare is not as valid as a female opinion. Boo hoo lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 7:43:08 PM #146:	adjl posted... You don't believe any of this strongly enough for it to carry into your everyday life? My opinion on abortion rights? Sure. But I don't leave my house and debate abortion in my every day life. Why would I? I go vote like a normal person. <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965843959] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>You don't believe any of this strongly enough for it to carry into your everyday life?</quote> My opinion on abortion rights? Sure. But I don't leave my house and debate abortion in my every day life. Why would I? I go vote like a normal person. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 7:44:30 PM #147:	It's just wild to me lol. Do you guys think white people who are allies of POC causes opinions are just as valid as the affected demographic? Would you tell a Black or Asian person that your opinion as a white person is just as valid? Lmao it's so silly. Get real. Or is it not the same because women?? <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965843986] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>It's just wild to me lol. Do you guys think white people who are allies of POC causes opinions are just as valid as the affected demographic? Would you tell a Black or Asian person that your opinion as a white person is just as valid? Lmao it's so silly. Get real. Or is it not the same because women?? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeSantis2024 06/15/22 7:45:56 PM #148:	VampireCoyote posted... it sounds like youre actually pro-choice Personally I am pro-life. As in if I was somehow able to get pregnant I wouldnt have an abortion unless if carrying that pregnancy would lead to my death or that pregnancy was caused by rape or incest. But thats my body and not someone elses and its important to respect and honor the choices of the person whos body is actually being impacted. <cite>DeSantis2024 posted [p:965844016] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>VampireCoyote posted... </cite> <quote>it sounds like youre actually pro-choice</quote>Personally I am pro-life. As in if I was somehow able to get pregnant I wouldnt have an abortion unless if carrying that pregnancy would lead to my death or that pregnancy was caused by rape or incest. But thats my body and not someone elses and its important to respect and honor the choices of the person whos body is actually being impacted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VampireCoyote 06/15/22 7:46:55 PM #149:	DeSantis2024 posted... Personally I am pro-life. As in if I was somehow able to get pregnant I wouldnt have an abortion unless if carrying that pregnancy would lead to my death or that pregnancy was caused by rape or incest. But thats my body and not someone elses and its important to respect and honor the choices of the person whos body is actually being impacted. yeah youre pro choice you can totally be pro-choice even if youd never personally opt for abortion --- She/her <cite>VampireCoyote posted [p:965844040] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>DeSantis2024 posted... </cite> <quote>Personally I am pro-life. As in if I was somehow able to get pregnant I wouldnt have an abortion unless if carrying that pregnancy would lead to my death or that pregnancy was caused by rape or incest. But thats my body and not someone elses and its important to respect and honor the choices of the person whos body is actually being impacted.</quote> yeah youre pro choice you can totally be pro-choice even if youd never personally opt for abortion </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArvTheGreat 06/15/22 7:47:33 PM #150:	She shouldve had them kids as her punishment --- Things are about to get arvified <cite>ArvTheGreat posted [p:965844051] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>She shouldve had them kids as her punishment </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 7:47:51 PM #151:	ArvTheGreat posted... She shouldve had them kids as her punishment Sounds more like a punishment for the kids <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965844058] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>ArvTheGreat posted... </cite> <quote>She shouldve had them kids as her punishment</quote> Sounds more like a punishment for the kids </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 06/15/22 7:48:06 PM #152:	DeSantis2024 posted... Personally I am pro-life. As in if I was somehow able to get pregnant I wouldnt have an abortion unless if carrying that pregnancy would lead to my death or that pregnancy was caused by rape or incest. But thats my body and not someone elses and its important to respect and honor the choices of the person whos body is actually being impacted. That still makes you pro-choice. Lots of pro-choice people would personally never get an abortion, but they support a woman's right to choose. You're only pro-life if you belive nobody should have access to abortions. --- What would Bligh do? <cite>Zareth posted [p:965844067] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>DeSantis2024 posted... </cite> <quote>Personally I am pro-life. As in if I was somehow able to get pregnant I wouldnt have an abortion unless if carrying that pregnancy would lead to my death or that pregnancy was caused by rape or incest. But thats my body and not someone elses and its important to respect and honor the choices of the person whos body is actually being impacted.</quote>That still makes you pro-choice. Lots of pro-choice people would personally never get an abortion, but they support a woman's right to choose. You're only pro-life if you belive nobody should have access to abortions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VampireCoyote 06/15/22 7:48:52 PM #153:	ArvTheGreat posted... She shouldve had them kids as her punishment lmfao this doesnt make any damn sense from any angle --- She/her <cite>VampireCoyote posted [p:965844085] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>ArvTheGreat posted... </cite> <quote>She shouldve had them kids as her punishment</quote> lmfao this doesnt make any damn sense from any angle </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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