Poll of the Day > lmao, Lauren bobert used to be an "escort" and has had two abortions

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keyblader1985 06/15/22 11:52:57 AM #52:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] That's what PO was originally saying. And then Jen is saying that no man's opinion ever has as much weight as any woman's, regardless of whether they've ever been pregnant or are even able to. Frankly I don't care about anyone's opinion if it's "no one should ever be allowed to do this with their own body." --- Official King of PotD You only need one T-Rex to make the point, though. ~ Samus Sedai <cite>keyblader1985 posted [p:965832553] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> That's what PO was originally saying. And then Jen is saying that no man's opinion ever has as much weight as any woman's, regardless of whether they've ever been pregnant or are even able to. Frankly I don't care about anyone's opinion if it's "no one should ever be allowed to do this with their own body." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
faramir77 06/15/22 11:53:43 AM #53:	Jen0125 posted... Idk why I always bother arguing with incel men on this board lol. You guys are really hopeless but I just can't help myself. People disagreeing with you doesn't make them an incel. Abortion access should be a right (as all health care should be), and policing what people do with their bodies is morally wrong, but it's also wrong to say people aren't allowed to have an opinion because of what genitals they have, especially when you don't actually MEAN that, what you really mean is: LeggomyEggos posted... she is saying that anyone who doesnt have her opinion on abortion shouldnt have an opinion on abortion. Which, I get it. But your argument needs to change from "men aren't allowed an opinion" to "abortion access needs to be a right". All you're doing is polarizing people, and you seemingly are refusing to express this without resorting to personal attacks. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCtAUrZbUk -- Defeating the Running Man of Ocarina of Time in a race since 01/17/2009. -- <cite>faramir77 posted [p:965832565] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>Idk why I always bother arguing with incel men on this board lol. You guys are really hopeless but I just can't help myself.</quote> People disagreeing with you doesn't make them an incel. Abortion access should be a right (as all health care should be), and policing what people do with their bodies is morally wrong, but it's also wrong to say people aren't allowed to have an opinion because of what genitals they have, especially when you don't actually MEAN that, what you really mean is: LeggomyEggos posted... </cite> <quote>she is saying that anyone who doesnt have her opinion on abortion shouldnt have an opinion on abortion.</quote> Which, I get it. But your argument needs to change from "men aren't allowed an opinion" to "abortion access needs to be a right". All you're doing is polarizing people, and you seemingly are refusing to express this without resorting to personal attacks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bligh_with_no_T 06/15/22 11:54:21 AM #54:	As someone who has had a child vomit into my own mouth, my opinion has more validity than that of a childless woman. I can also tell the difference between a clip and a magazine. <cite>Bligh_with_no_T posted [p:965832583] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>As someone who has had a child vomit into my own mouth, my opinion has more validity than that of a childless woman. I can also tell the difference between a clip and a magazine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 11:57:36 AM #55:	faramir77 posted... People disagreeing with you doesn't make them an incel This isn't what I said. I said incel men on potd. If you feel attacked by that comment you should reflect. Based on this misconception, I'm not reading the rest of your post lol <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965832656] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>faramir77 posted... </cite> <quote>People disagreeing with you doesn't make them an incel</quote> This isn't what I said. I said incel men on potd. If you feel attacked by that comment you should reflect. Based on this misconception, I'm not reading the rest of your post lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 06/15/22 11:59:33 AM #56:	Jen0125 posted... People born male at birth have zero risk of becoming pregnant and having that risk or have that affect their bodies. Why do you get a say in something you'll literally never experience? Lmao it's a joke. I'm ardently pro-choice, but if you want me to sit down and stop talking so people like Bobert can have more air time and less resistance to passing legislation that protects women's rights to healthcare, I guess I can do that. I mean, as you say, it's not something that will ever affect me personally. See - and maybe this is just me - but I kind of like to have allies helping me out on issues that do affect me, even if those particular people aren't affected themselves. Like... I have asthma, but I still listen to the opinions of my doctor who isn't an asthmatic. The fact he doesn't have any firsthand experience with the disease doesn't somehow invalidate his opinion. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:965832698] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>People born male at birth have zero risk of becoming pregnant and having that risk or have that affect their bodies. Why do you get a say in something you'll literally never experience? Lmao it's a joke.</quote>I'm ardently pro-choice, but if you want me to sit down and stop talking so people like Bobert can have more air time and less resistance to passing legislation that protects women's rights to healthcare, I guess I can do that. I mean, as you say, it's not something that will ever affect me personally. See - and maybe this is just me - but I kind of like to have allies helping me out on issues that do affect me, even if those particular people aren't affected themselves. Like... I have asthma, but I still listen to the opinions of my doctor who isn't an asthmatic. The fact he doesn't have any firsthand experience with the disease doesn't somehow invalidate his opinion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 12:01:08 PM #57:	I don't care if you're pro choice or anti choice. If you can't have the procedure, it shouldn't be for you to decide. Your opinion should be a non-factor in legislation because you are unaffected by the procedure. Idk why that is so hard to grasp for men. You aren't entitled to everything. It's just insane. So tired of living in a world with cry baby sensitive men who can't stand to be told their opinion on everything doesn't matter and isn't important. I'm glad you guys get to live in a culture and society where you're considered important and infallible but neither of those things are actually true. <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965832739] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>I don't care if you're pro choice or anti choice. If you can't have the procedure, it shouldn't be for you to decide. Your opinion should be a non-factor in legislation because you are unaffected by the procedure. Idk why that is so hard to grasp for men. You aren't entitled to everything. It's just insane. So tired of living in a world with cry baby sensitive men who can't stand to be told their opinion on everything doesn't matter and isn't important. I'm glad you guys get to live in a culture and society where you're considered important and infallible but neither of those things are actually true. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 06/15/22 12:03:21 PM #59:	Jen0125 posted... Yeah and the fact that I know how serious and terrible pregnancy is and that I'm a woman who can go through it means I should be able to have options. You can't get accidentally pregnant. I can. Your argument fails because I have the ability to become pregnant and you can't. The point of that comment is that your sex does not inherently give you any greater understanding of what pregnancy does or can be like than any man has. Heck, given that I have a background in biology and you don't, I probably understand it better than you. In general, I agree with where you're coming from: Men should not demand that women make sacrifices those men will never even have to consider making themselves. I'm not going to diminish how serious pregnancy can be, and any attempts to do so can indeed be dismissed as "you will never have an experience that supersedes what women can tell you about how bad it is." But on the flip side, that doesn't mean I can't understand how serious it is. My penis doesn't prevent me from knowing that 17 American mothers die for every 100,000 births (triple that for black women), which is more than triple the rate in any other developed country and higher than the fatality rate for police officers (14/100k). Shutting down allies for a cause you believe in is generally a really bad idea. VampireCoyote posted... but I dont think having had an abortion should make your opinion matter any more than someone who has never had one, especially since some women face that choice and choose not to get the abortion I think the logic is valid, but there's an important distinction between "I think you have a credible opinion" and "I think more people should agree with you because of how credible your opinion is." Somebody who's actually experienced an abortion is more qualified to speak on that experience than someone who hasn't. The opinion of "it was a horrible experience and I regret having it" should be respected. Respecting that opinion, however, does not mean accepting it as a valid justification for making abortion illegal. It's meaningful for the sake of helping other women make informed choices about their own abortions, but it doesn't justify taking that choice away (for reasons which can easily be provided as needed). Also of note: If somebody is arguing from their personal experience, you're not going to change their mind unless you respect that experience, so regardless of its merit in the argument in question, you should try to respect it and sympathize with their reasoning in forming a counterargument. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:965832784] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah and the fact that I know how serious and terrible pregnancy is and that I'm a woman who can go through it means I should be able to have options. You can't get accidentally pregnant. I can. Your argument fails because I have the ability to become pregnant and you can't.</quote> The point of that comment is that your sex does not inherently give you any greater understanding of what pregnancy does or can be like than any man has. Heck, given that I have a background in biology and you don't, I probably understand it better than you. In general, I agree with where you're coming from: Men should not demand that women make sacrifices those men will never even have to consider making themselves. I'm not going to diminish how serious pregnancy can be, and any attempts to do so can indeed be dismissed as "you will never have an experience that supersedes what women can tell you about how bad it is." But on the flip side, that doesn't mean I can't understand how serious it is. My penis doesn't prevent me from knowing that 17 American mothers die for every 100,000 births (triple that for black women), which is more than triple the rate in any other developed country and higher than the fatality rate for police officers (14/100k). Shutting down allies for a cause you believe in is generally a really bad idea. VampireCoyote posted... </cite> <quote>but I dont think having had an abortion should make your opinion matter any more than someone who has never had one, especially since some women face that choice and choose not to get the abortion</quote> I think the logic is valid, but there's an important distinction between "I think you have a credible opinion" and "I think more people should agree with you because of how credible your opinion is." Somebody who's actually experienced an abortion is more qualified to speak on that experience than someone who hasn't. The opinion of "it was a horrible experience and I regret having it" should be respected. Respecting that opinion, however, does not mean accepting it as a valid justification for making abortion illegal. It's meaningful for the sake of helping other women make informed choices about their own abortions, but it doesn't justify taking that choice away (for reasons which can easily be provided as needed). Also of note: If somebody is arguing from their personal experience, you're not going to change their mind unless you respect that experience, so regardless of its merit in the argument in question, you should try to respect it and sympathize with their reasoning in forming a counterargument. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 12:04:01 PM #60:	Anything to detract from the fact that hypocrite Lauren Boebert had two unrepentant abortions while trying to take that right away from others. But yes, I'm the one who is doing damage to abortion rights lmao you guys are lead poisoned <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965832810] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Anything to detract from the fact that hypocrite Lauren Boebert had two unrepentant abortions while trying to take that right away from others. But yes, I'm the one who is doing damage to abortion rights lmao you guys are lead poisoned </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Interstella5555 06/15/22 12:04:49 PM #61:	ParanoidObsessive posted... Or, you know, "I did it and have come to understand it was a terrible mistake and I regret it immensely, and I think other people should be protected from making the same mistake." I mean, I'm pro-choice and I'd still tend to see the opinions of a woman who's actually had an abortion to be way more valid than the opinions of anyone with a penis, regardless of which side of the argument she's on. She regretted it so much she did it twice while working as an escort? Give me a break, these people don't "regret" anything, they just want to do whatever they want to without consequence while condeming those that are too poor/not white/not the correct religion. Well off white people will never have a problem getting an abortion and they will continue to do so while making it impossible for others to have a safe procedure. <cite>Interstella5555 posted [p:965832820] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>Or, you know, "I did it and have come to understand it was a terrible mistake and I regret it immensely, and I think other people should be protected from making the same mistake." I mean, I'm pro-choice and I'd still tend to see the opinions of a woman who's actually had an abortion to be way more valid than the opinions of anyone with a penis, regardless of which side of the argument she's on.</quote> She regretted it so much she did it twice while working as an escort? Give me a break, these people don't "regret" anything, they just want to do whatever they want to without consequence while condeming those that are too poor/not white/not the correct religion. Well off white people will never have a problem getting an abortion and they will continue to do so while making it impossible for others to have a safe procedure. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 12:05:49 PM #62:	adjl posted... The point of that comment is that your sex does not inherently give you any greater understanding of what pregnancy does or can be like than any man has. Um.. Yes it does? Have you ever had a menstrual period? Have you ever felt the pain of a heavy and difficult menstrual period? Pregnancy is 1 million times worse than that. Have you ever had your cervix dilated? I have. Just because I haven't experienced pregnancy itself doesn't mean I haven't experienced pregnancy adjacent things. And it doesn't detect from the fact that I can ACTUALLY GET PREGNANT and be forced to be pregnant and give birth or die and you can't. Men aren't even expected to be primary child rearers either. So you don't get pregnant, you don't give birth, and there's little societal expectation for you to physically care for the child. Why does your opinion have any weight?? <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965832838] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>The point of that comment is that your sex does not inherently give you any greater understanding of what pregnancy does or can be like than any man has.</quote> Um.. Yes it does? Have you ever had a menstrual period? Have you ever felt the pain of a heavy and difficult menstrual period? Pregnancy is 1 million times worse than that. Have you ever had your cervix dilated? I have. Just because I haven't experienced pregnancy itself doesn't mean I haven't experienced pregnancy adjacent things. And it doesn't detect from the fact that I can ACTUALLY GET PREGNANT and be forced to be pregnant and give birth or die and you can't. Men aren't even expected to be primary child rearers either. So you don't get pregnant, you don't give birth, and there's little societal expectation for you to physically care for the child. Why does your opinion have any weight?? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 12:07:21 PM #63:	adjl posted... Heck, given that I have a background in biology and you don't, I probably understand it better than you I know you're smarter than this. You know understanding the scientific process behind pregnancy has nothing to do with actually experiencing being pregnant and the risks associated. <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965832868] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Heck, given that I have a background in biology and you don't, I probably understand it better than you</quote> I know you're smarter than this. You know understanding the scientific process behind pregnancy has nothing to do with actually experiencing being pregnant and the risks associated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 06/15/22 12:09:04 PM #64:	Jen0125 posted... But yes, I'm the one who is doing damage to abortion rights I've known quite a few people who align with pro-life philosophy to a certain extent, but have decided against committing to the position after seeing the sort of people they'd be associating with if they did. There's no reason that can't work the other way. If you turn a fence-sitter away from being pro-choice by being a sexist asshole, you are indeed doing damage to abortion rights. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:965832905] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>But yes, I'm the one who is doing damage to abortion rights</quote> I've known quite a few people who align with pro-life philosophy to a certain extent, but have decided against committing to the position after seeing the sort of people they'd be associating with if they did. There's no reason that can't work the other way. If you turn a fence-sitter away from being pro-choice by being a sexist asshole, you are indeed doing damage to abortion rights. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 12:09:53 PM #65:	adjl posted... I've known quite a few people who align with pro-life philosophy to a certain extent, but have decided against committing to the position after seeing the sort of people they'd be associating with if they did. There's no reason that can't work the other way. If you turn a fence-sitter away from being pro-choice by being a sexist asshole, you are indeed doing damage to abortion rights. There are no more real fence sitters if you're an adult. Doing these debates isn't about changing minds. <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965832921] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>I've known quite a few people who align with pro-life philosophy to a certain extent, but have decided against committing to the position after seeing the sort of people they'd be associating with if they did. There's no reason that can't work the other way. If you turn a fence-sitter away from being pro-choice by being a sexist asshole, you are indeed doing damage to abortion rights.</quote> There are no more real fence sitters if you're an adult. Doing these debates isn't about changing minds. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 06/15/22 12:10:39 PM #66:	Jen0125 posted... If you can't have the procedure, it shouldn't be for you to decide. It's not for me to decide. Or you, for that matter. It's for legislatures to decide. I do what I can to make my opinions on the matter known so that they decide correctly. The idea that I'm not allowed to have an opinion on the matter because I can't get pregnant is ridiculous. Like... do you think I don't have any women in my life? Sisters or daughters or friends who might be affected by this legislation? Of course I do and I will fight to support them - if my advocacy for them offends you, sorry, but fuck off. They are substantially more important to me than you. By your logic, the only people able to decide things about abortion should be fertile women of breeding age. Women past menopause or those who can't bear children don't get to speak, because that apparently makes sense. That's like saying that only those in the armed forces should be able to voice an opinion about armed conflicts and military budgets, or that only those with kids should be able to decide taxes for schools. We all are affected by these decisions - sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly - so we all get a say. For someone who claims to be pro-choice, you seem to have a lot of issues with other people exercising theirs. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:965832937] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>If you can't have the procedure, it shouldn't be for you to decide.</quote>It's not for me to decide. Or you, for that matter. It's for legislatures to decide. I do what I can to make my opinions on the matter known so that they decide correctly. The idea that I'm not allowed to have an opinion on the matter because I can't get pregnant is ridiculous. Like... do you think I don't have any women in my life? Sisters or daughters or friends who might be affected by this legislation? Of course I do and I will fight to support them - if my advocacy for them offends you, sorry, but fuck off. They are substantially more important to me than you. By your logic, the only people able to decide things about abortion should be fertile women of breeding age. Women past menopause or those who can't bear children don't get to speak, because that apparently makes sense. That's like saying that only those in the armed forces should be able to voice an opinion about armed conflicts and military budgets, or that only those with kids should be able to decide taxes for schools. We all are affected by these decisions - sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly - so we all get a say. For someone who claims to be pro-choice, you seem to have a lot of issues with other people exercising theirs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 12:11:55 PM #67:	No, I have no issue with you exercising your rights lmao. That's what voting is for. But I'm going to call out the asinine nature of men clamoring to control female reproductive rights every time I see it. I don't care if it's positive or negative. It's not your fucking business point blank. <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965832962] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>No, I have no issue with you exercising your rights lmao. That's what voting is for. But I'm going to call out the asinine nature of men clamoring to control female reproductive rights every time I see it. I don't care if it's positive or negative. It's not your fucking business point blank. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 12:13:03 PM #68:	I'm done with this topic now. Another shining example of male fragility on PotD. <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965832996] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>I'm done with this topic now. Another shining example of male fragility on PotD. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 06/15/22 12:15:34 PM #69:	Jen0125 posted... No, I have no issue with you exercising your rights lmao. That's what voting is for. But I'm going to call out the asinine nature of men clamoring to control female reproductive rights every time I see it. "I have no problem with you exercising your right to an opinion, but I have a problem with you having an opinion." Sure, that makes sense. Also apparently wanting women to have the right to their own healthcare choices is "clamouring to control female reproductive rights." Who knew? --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:965833045] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>No, I have no issue with you exercising your rights lmao. That's what voting is for. But I'm going to call out the asinine nature of men clamoring to control female reproductive rights every time I see it.</quote>"I have no problem with you exercising your right to an opinion, but I have a problem with you having an opinion." Sure, that makes sense. Also apparently wanting women to have the right to their own healthcare choices is "clamouring to control female reproductive rights." Who knew? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VampireCoyote 06/15/22 12:19:51 PM #70:	adjl posted... Somebody who's actually experienced an abortion is more qualified to speak on that experience than someone who hasn't. I do not agree with you. If someone can get pregnant then their voice and opinion matters just as much as anyone else that can, because its their body, not anyone elses. --- She/her <cite>VampireCoyote posted [p:965833127] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote> Somebody who's actually experienced an abortion is more qualified to speak on that experience than someone who hasn't.</quote> I do not agree with you. If someone can get pregnant then their voice and opinion matters just as much as anyone else that can, because its their body, not anyone elses. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Adam_Savage 06/15/22 12:24:36 PM #71:	all these sad dudes who think they should have an opinion on abortion is staggering --- that's one body that'll never be found you see, little sister don't miss when she aims her gun <cite>Adam_Savage posted [p:965833229] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>all these sad dudes who think they should have an opinion on abortion is staggering</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 06/15/22 12:29:37 PM #72:	Jen0125 posted... Pregnancy is 1 million times worse than that. And you know that entirely hypothetically (and even then, you're pulling a number out of your ass instead of actually being able to do a proper comparison). Having a baseline doesn't change that you're still just imagining how unpleasant pregnancy probably is based on what other people have told you. Jen0125 posted... And it doesn't detect from the fact that I can ACTUALLY GET PREGNANT and be forced to be pregnant and give birth or die and you can't. I didn't say it did. Just that the personal experience angle doesn't really work if you haven't personally experienced it. Jen0125 posted... Why does your opinion have any weight?? The same reason yours does: Because I'm hoping to secure essential rights for people I care about. Jen0125 posted... You know understanding the scientific process behind pregnancy has nothing to do with actually experiencing being pregnant and the risks associated. It has nothing to do with experiencing the risks. It has everything to do with understanding them. Personal experience is in fact absolutely terrible for understanding risks, given how impossible it is to make statistical generalizations from a sample size of 1 (see: everyone that got Covid and was largely asymptomatic and now insists that nobody needs to worry about getting Covid, to use a contemporary example). One of the biggest mistakes people make in analyzing risks is placing too much emphasis on personal experience, and that's exactly what you're doing right now. So stahp. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:965833330] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>Pregnancy is 1 million times worse than that.</quote> And you know that entirely hypothetically (and even then, you're pulling a number out of your ass instead of actually being able to do a proper comparison). Having a baseline doesn't change that you're still just imagining how unpleasant pregnancy probably is based on what other people have told you. Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>And it doesn't detect from the fact that I can ACTUALLY GET PREGNANT and be forced to be pregnant and give birth or die and you can't.</quote> I didn't say it did. Just that the personal experience angle doesn't really work if you haven't personally experienced it. Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>Why does your opinion have any weight??</quote> The same reason yours does: Because I'm hoping to secure essential rights for people I care about. Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>You know understanding the scientific process behind pregnancy has nothing to do with actually experiencing being pregnant and the risks associated.</quote> It has nothing to do with experiencing the risks. It has everything to do with understanding them. Personal experience is in fact absolutely terrible for understanding risks, given how impossible it is to make statistical generalizations from a sample size of 1 (see: everyone that got Covid and was largely asymptomatic and now insists that nobody needs to worry about getting Covid, to use a contemporary example). One of the biggest mistakes people make in analyzing risks is placing too much emphasis on personal experience, and that's exactly what you're doing right now. So stahp. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 06/15/22 12:44:51 PM #73:	Jen0125 posted... There are no more real fence sitters if you're an adult. There absolutely are. I'm not sure what you're trying to gain by denying that. Jen0125 posted... Doing these debates isn't about changing minds. Debates are always about changing minds. If you're not trying to change minds, you're not debating, you're just shouting aimlessly. Jen0125 posted... But I'm going to call out the asinine nature of men clamoring to control female reproductive rights every time I see it. Nobody in this topic is clamouring to control female reproductive rights. Entirely the opposite, in fact. VampireCoyote posted... I do not agree with you. If someone can get pregnant then their voice and opinion matters just as much as anyone else that can, because its their body, not anyone elses. I covered that: Having a more valid opinion on a specific subject doesn't mean that every conclusion drawn from that opinion is more valid. She can speak credibly on how unpleasant the experience was for her (hypothetically, since I think we all agree this probably isn't actually what's happening here), but accepting that that doesn't justify taking away other women's right to choose whether or not they want to have the same experience. It only affects her ability to help other women make informed choices (though even then it's a very personal experience and only commenting on one of the two options doesn't actually do much to inform people). --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:965833702] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>There are no more real fence sitters if you're an adult.</quote> There absolutely are. I'm not sure what you're trying to gain by denying that. Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>Doing these debates isn't about changing minds.</quote> Debates are always about changing minds. If you're not trying to change minds, you're not debating, you're just shouting aimlessly. Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>But I'm going to call out the asinine nature of men clamoring to control female reproductive rights every time I see it.</quote> Nobody in this topic is clamouring to control female reproductive rights. Entirely the opposite, in fact. VampireCoyote posted... </cite> <quote>I do not agree with you. If someone can get pregnant then their voice and opinion matters just as much as anyone else that can, because its their body, not anyone elses.</quote> I covered that: Having a more valid opinion on a specific subject doesn't mean that every conclusion drawn from that opinion is more valid. She can speak credibly on how unpleasant the experience was for her (hypothetically, since I think we all agree this probably isn't actually what's happening here), but accepting that that doesn't justify taking away other women's right to choose whether or not they want to have the same experience. It only affects her ability to help other women make informed choices (though even then it's a very personal experience and only commenting on one of the two options doesn't actually do much to inform people). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 06/15/22 1:03:04 PM #76:	adjl posted... I've known quite a few people who align with pro-life philosophy to a certain extent, but have decided against committing to the position after seeing the sort of people they'd be associating with if they did. There's no reason that can't work the other way. If you turn a fence-sitter away from being pro-choice by being a sexist asshole, you are indeed doing damage to abortion rights. Jen is an open misandrist and has been for a long time, I don't know why people are still shocked to learn of it. She tries to pin the blame on men whenever she can. Even when, in the case of abortion, the difference in pro-choice support between men and women is like 5%. If you disagree with her sexist comments, it isn't long before the insults fly. "Incel", "male fragility", etc... I agree, insulting half the population, even when they agree with you and support abortion, is a pretty self-destruction behavior. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:965834134] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>I've known quite a few people who align with pro-life philosophy to a certain extent, but have decided against committing to the position after seeing the sort of people they'd be associating with if they did. There's no reason that can't work the other way. If you turn a fence-sitter away from being pro-choice by being a sexist asshole, you are indeed doing damage to abortion rights.</quote>Jen is an open misandrist and has been for a long time, I don't know why people are still shocked to learn of it. She tries to pin the blame on men whenever she can. Even when, in the case of abortion, the difference in pro-choice support between men and women is like 5%. If you disagree with her sexist comments, it isn't long before the insults fly. "Incel", "male fragility", etc... I agree, insulting half the population, even when they agree with you and support abortion, is a pretty self-destruction behavior. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Adam_Savage 06/15/22 1:04:44 PM #77:	nah, this place is filled with misogynistic dudes who haven't gone outside in months my duder you can agree with her stance all you want, that's fine you can even disagree with it it's when you try to make your opinion more valid than a womans, on something only a woman can do, that is the issue here --- that's one body that'll never be found you see, little sister don't miss when she aims her gun <cite>Adam_Savage posted [p:965834156] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>nah, this place is filled with misogynistic dudes who haven't gone outside in months my duder you can agree with her stance all you want, that's fine you can even disagree with it it's when you try to make your opinion more valid than a womans, on something only a woman can do, that is the issue here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeggomyEggos 06/15/22 1:07:22 PM #78:	Oh look, its the guy whose whole gimmick is having bad opinions and he agrees with jen /topic <cite>LeggomyEggos posted [p:965834209] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Oh look, its the guy whose whole gimmick is having bad opinions and he agrees with jen /topic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Adam_Savage 06/15/22 1:08:07 PM #79:	hey look it's the guy who is too scared to say who he is an alt of --- that's one body that'll never be found you see, little sister don't miss when she aims her gun <cite>Adam_Savage posted [p:965834227] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>hey look it's the guy who is too scared to say who he is an alt of</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 06/15/22 1:18:15 PM #80:	Adam_Savage posted... nah, this place is filled with misogynistic dudes who haven't gone outside in months my duder While true, Jen also does tend to throw around such terms whenever people disagree with her, regardless of how appropriate they are. This has been demonstrated on a couple occasions in this topic. Adam_Savage posted... it's when you try to make your opinion more valid than a womans, on something only a woman can do, that is the issue here Provided we correctly identify "something only a woman can do," sure. Evaluating the subjective experience of being pregnant or having an abortion is indeed something that only a woman who has been pregnant or had an abortion can do, and trying to make any claims of having a more valid opinion without having experienced those things is a mistake. Evaluating the objective risks associated with pregnancy, however, anyone with a suitable background in math/stats can do, and the opinion of a man with such a background on such matters is absolutely more valid than the opinion of a woman without it (and the opinion of a knowledgeable woman would be more valid than that of an ignorant man; that's not a gendered issue). --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:965834423] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Adam_Savage posted... </cite> <quote>nah, this place is filled with misogynistic dudes who haven't gone outside in months my duder</quote> While true, Jen also does tend to throw around such terms whenever people disagree with her, regardless of how appropriate they are. This has been demonstrated on a couple occasions in this topic. Adam_Savage posted... </cite> <quote>it's when you try to make your opinion more valid than a womans, on something only a woman can do, that is the issue here</quote> Provided we correctly identify "something only a woman can do," sure. Evaluating the subjective experience of being pregnant or having an abortion is indeed something that only a woman who has been pregnant or had an abortion can do, and trying to make any claims of having a more valid opinion without having experienced those things is a mistake. Evaluating the objective risks associated with pregnancy, however, anyone with a suitable background in math/stats can do, and the opinion of a man with such a background on such matters is absolutely more valid than the opinion of a woman without it (and the opinion of a knowledgeable woman would be more valid than that of an ignorant man; that's not a gendered issue). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirtBasedSoap 06/15/22 1:21:57 PM #81:	i have something really funny to say but i cant --- im gay <cite>DirtBasedSoap posted [p:965834499] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>i have something really funny to say but i cant </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 06/15/22 1:27:13 PM #82:	Adam_Savage posted... nah, this place is filled with misogynistic dudes who haven't gone outside in months my duder you can agree with her stance all you want, that's fine it's when you try to make your opinion more valid than a womans, on something only a woman can do, that is the issue here The only one trying to make their opinion more valid than others is Jen. And it is and always will be a stupid argument. Where does it end? Like, we can take this argument a lot of places if you think it's so valid. Should women have not had the right to vote this whole time? Elected politicians decide whether or not to go to war, and only men have been subjected to the draft. No woman up to now has had to worry about being sent off to die somewhere. Here, let's use Jen's brilliant arguments: Jen0125 posted... Just because I haven't experienced pregnancy itself doesn't mean I haven't experienced pregnancy adjacent things. And it doesn't detect from the fact that I can ACTUALLY GET PREGNANT and be forced to be pregnant and give birth or die and you can't. Men aren't even expected to be primary child rearers either. So you don't get pregnant, you don't give birth, and there's little societal expectation for you to physically care for the child. Why does your opinion have any weight?? "Just because I haven't been enlisted doesn't mean I haven't experienced military adjacent things. And it doesn't detect from the fact that I can ACTUALLY GET DRAFTED and be forced to be enlisted and fight and die and you won't be. Women aren't even expected to be in noncombat support roles, either. So you don't get drafted, you don't get sent into basic training, and there's little societal expectation for you to go overseas for the war effort. Why does your opinion have any weight??" <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:965834609] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Adam_Savage posted... </cite> <quote>nah, this place is filled with misogynistic dudes who haven't gone outside in months my duder you can agree with her stance all you want, that's fine it's when you try to make your opinion more valid than a womans, on something only a woman can do, that is the issue here</quote>The only one trying to make their opinion more valid than others is Jen. And it is and always will be a stupid argument. Where does it end? Like, we can take this argument a lot of places if you think it's so valid. Should women have not had the right to vote this whole time? Elected politicians decide whether or not to go to war, and only men have been subjected to the draft. No woman up to now has had to worry about being sent off to die somewhere. Here, let's use Jen's brilliant arguments: Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>Just because I haven't experienced pregnancy itself doesn't mean I haven't experienced pregnancy adjacent things. And it doesn't detect from the fact that I can ACTUALLY GET PREGNANT and be forced to be pregnant and give birth or die and you can't. Men aren't even expected to be primary child rearers either. So you don't get pregnant, you don't give birth, and there's little societal expectation for you to physically care for the child. Why does your opinion have any weight??</quote> "Just because I haven't been enlisted doesn't mean I haven't experienced military adjacent things. And it doesn't detect from the fact that I can ACTUALLY GET DRAFTED and be forced to be enlisted and fight and die and you won't be. Women aren't even expected to be in noncombat support roles, either. So you don't get drafted, you don't get sent into basic training, and there's little societal expectation for you to go overseas for the war effort. Why does your opinion have any weight??" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 06/15/22 1:40:16 PM #83:	Krazy_Kirby posted... no, the problem with that is thinking you can only have opinions on things if you have done them I guess that's why Lauren is so keen on discussing people being inappropriate around children - her husband pulled his dick out in front of a bunch of kids at a bowling alley. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:965834904] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Krazy_Kirby posted... </cite> <quote>no, the problem with that is thinking you can only have opinions on things if you have done them</quote>I guess that's why Lauren is so keen on discussing people being inappropriate around children - her husband pulled his dick out in front of a bunch of kids at a bowling alley. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 06/15/22 1:40:47 PM #84:	streamofthesky posted... The only one trying to make their opinion more valid than others is Jen. And it is and always will be a stupid argument. Where does it end? Like, we can take this argument a lot of places if you think it's so valid. Should women have not had the right to vote this whole time? Elected politicians decide whether or not to go to war, and only men have been subjected to the draft. No woman up to now has had to worry about being sent off to die somewhere. Here, let's use Jen's brilliant arguments: "Just because I haven't been enlisted doesn't mean I haven't experienced military adjacent things. And it doesn't detect from the fact that I can ACTUALLY GET DRAFTED and be forced to be enlisted and fight and die and you won't be. Women aren't even expected to be in noncombat support roles, either. So you don't get drafted, you don't get sent into basic training, and there's little societal expectation for you to go overseas for the war effort. Why does your opinion have any weight??" Jen's opinion on this is more valid than yours, cheers. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:965834915] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>streamofthesky posted... </cite> <quote>The only one trying to make their opinion more valid than others is Jen. And it is and always will be a stupid argument. Where does it end? Like, we can take this argument a lot of places if you think it's so valid. Should women have not had the right to vote this whole time? Elected politicians decide whether or not to go to war, and only men have been subjected to the draft. No woman up to now has had to worry about being sent off to die somewhere. Here, let's use Jen's brilliant arguments: "Just because I haven't been enlisted doesn't mean I haven't experienced military adjacent things. And it doesn't detect from the fact that I can ACTUALLY GET DRAFTED and be forced to be enlisted and fight and die and you won't be. Women aren't even expected to be in noncombat support roles, either. So you don't get drafted, you don't get sent into basic training, and there's little societal expectation for you to go overseas for the war effort. Why does your opinion have any weight??"</quote>Jen's opinion on this is more valid than yours, cheers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 06/15/22 1:45:17 PM #85:	Jen has been going off the rails lately, I wonder what's wrong --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:965835016] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Jen has been going off the rails lately, I wonder what's wrong </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Adam_Savage 06/15/22 1:49:25 PM #86:	streamofthesky posted... Should women have not had the right to vote this whole time? it was women who fought for the right to vote, in case you aren't aware, it was men who were against it. streamofthesky posted... Elected politicians decide whether or not to go to war, and only men have been subjected to the draft. No woman up to now has had to worry about being sent off to die somewhere. Here, let's use Jen's brilliant arguments: that is because when there was a draft, women were not allowed in combat roles. there hasn't been a draft since, and women can be in combat roles now. pretty sure it was women who pushed to get that right, too. the rest of your post was stupid and fell apart with the above. --- that's one body that'll never be found you see, little sister don't miss when she aims her gun <cite>Adam_Savage posted [p:965835094] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>Should women have not had the right to vote this whole time?</quote> it was women who fought for the right to vote, in case you aren't aware, it was men who were against it. streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>Elected politicians decide whether or not to go to war, and only men have been subjected to the draft. No woman up to now has had to worry about being sent off to die somewhere. Here, let's use Jen's brilliant arguments:</quote> that is because when there was a draft, women were not allowed in combat roles. there hasn't been a draft since, and women can be in combat roles now. pretty sure it was women who pushed to get that right, too. the rest of your post was stupid and fell apart with the above.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 06/15/22 1:49:35 PM #87:	Supreme Court poised to strip away women's right to make decisions regarding their own reproductive health but hey Jen don't go off the rails or anything shame on you --- https://i.imgur.com/ZwO4qO2.gifv What's better than roses on your piano? Tulips on your organ. <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:965835105] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Supreme Court poised to strip away women's right to make decisions regarding their own reproductive health but hey Jen don't go off the rails or anything shame on you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 1:51:57 PM #88:	Far-Queue posted... Supreme Court poised to strip away women's right to make decisions regarding their own reproductive health but hey Jen don't go off the rails or anything shame on you It's always off the rails when a woman tells a man to shut the fuck up and their opinion on a topic isn't important lol. <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965835152] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Supreme Court poised to strip away women's right to make decisions regarding their own reproductive health but hey Jen don't go off the rails or anything shame on you</quote> It's always off the rails when a woman tells a man to shut the fuck up and their opinion on a topic isn't important lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 06/15/22 1:58:23 PM #89:	Far-Queue posted... Supreme Court poised to strip away women's right to make decisions regarding their own reproductive health but hey Jen don't go off the rails or anything shame on you Who said this only has to do with abortion rights? --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:965835302] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Supreme Court poised to strip away women's right to make decisions regarding their own reproductive health but hey Jen don't go off the rails or anything shame on you</quote>Who said this only has to do with abortion rights? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 1:59:39 PM #90:	https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/06/lauren-boebert-said-jesus-didnt-enough-ar-15s-prevent-crucifixion/ Lmfao <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965835333] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/06/lauren-boebert-said-jesus-didnt-enough-ar-15s-prevent-crucifixion/ Lmfao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Adam_Savage 06/15/22 2:06:34 PM #91:	Muscles posted... Who said this only has to do with abortion rights? no one did but this is a topic about abortions, so --- that's one body that'll never be found you see, little sister don't miss when she aims her gun <cite>Adam_Savage posted [p:965835502] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Muscles posted...</cite> <quote> Who said this only has to do with abortion rights? </quote> no one did but this is a topic about abortions, so</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 06/15/22 2:14:24 PM #92:	I don't even disagree with her on that, and it seems a lot of the guys she's calling incels agree with her too, its more about how she's so misandrist about it. --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:965835721] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>I don't even disagree with her on that, and it seems a lot of the guys she's calling incels agree with her too, its more about how she's so misandrist about it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 06/15/22 2:17:09 PM #93:	adjl posted... I didn't say it did. Just that the personal experience angle doesn't really work if you haven't personally experienced it. Bingo. ReturnOfFa posted... Jen's opinion on this is more valid than yours, cheers. Not really. She's never been pregnant and neither have I. Being able to do things doesn't make your opinion more valid just because you can do them when you haven't actually done them. She also has the nerve to say men are not "expected to be primary child rearers" while not actually being a parent herself and I don't agree with that at all due to my own personal experience and in a ideal world both parents would be expected to be parents so there would be no primary as it would be equal. streamofthesky posted... Jen is an open misandrist and has been for a long time, I don't know why people are still shocked to learn of it. She tries to pin the blame on men whenever she can. It gets tiresome when folk are like this but I have noticed it. Even more so with Jen. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:965835783] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>I didn't say it did. Just that the personal experience angle doesn't really work if you haven't personally experienced it.</quote> Bingo. ReturnOfFa posted... </cite> <quote>Jen's opinion on this is more valid than yours, cheers.</quote> Not really. She's never been pregnant and neither have I. Being able to do things doesn't make your opinion more valid just because you can do them when you haven't actually done them. She also has the nerve to say men are not "expected to be primary child rearers" while not actually being a parent herself and I don't agree with that at all due to my own personal experience and in a ideal world both parents would be expected to be parents so there would be no primary as it would be equal. streamofthesky posted... </cite> <quote>Jen is an open misandrist and has been for a long time, I don't know why people are still shocked to learn of it. She tries to pin the blame on men whenever she can.</quote> It gets tiresome when folk are like this but I have noticed it. Even more so with Jen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 2:22:19 PM #94:	God yeah we should really be nicer to the gender trying to oppress us ur totally right muscles <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965835914] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>God yeah we should really be nicer to the gender trying to oppress us ur totally right muscles </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
keyblader1985 06/15/22 2:30:25 PM #95:	Somebody close this --- Official King of PotD You only need one T-Rex to make the point, though. ~ Samus Sedai <cite>keyblader1985 posted [p:965836084] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Somebody close this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 06/15/22 2:37:13 PM #96:	Jen0125 posted... God yeah we should really be nicer to the gender trying to oppress us ur totally right muscles https://news.gallup.com/poll/245618/abortion-trends-gender.aspx https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/ Majorities of both men and women express support for legal abortion, though women are somewhat more likely than men to hold this view (63% vs. 58%). https://www.vox.com/2019/5/20/18629644/abortion-gender-gap-public-opinion Men and women have similar views on abortion In 2015, Vox and PerryUndem partnered on a polling project that tried to capture the full nuance of Americas views on abortion. One of the things it showed is that Americans do not understand broad ideological terms like pro-life and pro-choice in rigid ways or even necessarily see them as mutually exclusive. It also showed that men and women are equally likely to describe themselves as pro-choice, while women are slightly more likely than men to describe themselves as pro-life. I know you're a proud sexist and will continue to blame men for this, in spite of decades of polls and studies proving there is minimal to no "gender gap" in support for abortion rights. So I'm just once again posting the data so everyone else knows how absolutely full of shit and hateful you are. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:965836251] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>God yeah we should really be nicer to the gender trying to oppress us ur totally right muscles</quote> https://news.gallup.com/poll/245618/abortion-trends-gender.aspx https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/ <quote>Majorities of both men and women express support for legal abortion, though women are somewhat more likely than men to hold this view (63% vs. 58%).</quote> https://www.vox.com/2019/5/20/18629644/abortion-gender-gap-public-opinion <quote>Men and women have similar views on abortion In 2015, Vox and PerryUndem partnered on a polling project that tried to capture the full nuance of Americas views on abortion. One of the things it showed is that Americans do not understand broad ideological terms like pro-life and pro-choice in rigid ways or even necessarily see them as mutually exclusive. It also showed that men and women are equally likely to describe themselves as pro-choice, while women are slightly more likely than men to describe themselves as pro-life.</quote> I know you're a proud sexist and will continue to blame men for this, in spite of decades of polls and studies proving there is minimal to no "gender gap" in support for abortion rights. So I'm just once again posting the data so everyone else knows how absolutely full of shit and hateful you are. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 06/15/22 2:37:37 PM #97:	Adam_Savage posted... it's when you try to make your opinion more valid than a womans, on something only a woman can do, that is the issue here Literally no one in this topic has done this. Jen0125 posted... God yeah we should really be nicer to the gender trying to oppress us ur totally right muscles And literally no one in this topic has done this either. You're busy attacking a bunch of people saying "Women should be free to look after their own reproductive health" because those people happen to have dicks, apparently completely missing the irony of the situation. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:965836261] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Adam_Savage posted... </cite> <quote>it's when you try to make your opinion more valid than a womans, on something only a woman can do, that is the issue here</quote>Literally no one in this topic has done this. Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>God yeah we should really be nicer to the gender trying to oppress us ur totally right muscles</quote>And literally no one in this topic has done this either. You're busy attacking a bunch of people saying "Women should be free to look after their own reproductive health" because those people happen to have dicks, apparently completely missing the irony of the situation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 06/15/22 2:37:42 PM #98:	Muscles posted... Who said this only has to do with abortion rights? No one, but you're the one trying to take a woman to task for having a passionate opinion regarding her right to bodily autonomy --- https://i.imgur.com/ZwO4qO2.gifv What's better than roses on your piano? Tulips on your organ. <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:965836263] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Muscles posted... </cite> <quote>Who said this only has to do with abortion rights?</quote>No one, but you're the one trying to take a woman to task for having a passionate opinion regarding her right to bodily autonomy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 06/15/22 2:40:08 PM #99:	I'm not reading what you guys are typing. Just so you know lmao. I literally don't care about what you have to say. <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:965836336] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>I'm not reading what you guys are typing. Just so you know lmao. I literally don't care about what you have to say. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 06/15/22 2:42:05 PM #100:	Jen0125 posted... I'm not reading what you guys are typing. Just so you know lmao. I literally don't care about what you have to say. We know. streamofthesky posted... I know you're a proud sexist and will continue to blame men for this, in spite of decades of polls and studies proving there is minimal to no "gender gap" in support for abortion rights. So I'm just once again posting the data so everyone else knows how absolutely full of shit and hateful you are. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:965836400] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not reading what you guys are typing. Just so you know lmao. I literally don't care about what you have to say.</quote> We know. streamofthesky posted... </cite> <quote>I know you're a proud sexist and will continue to blame men for this, in spite of decades of polls and studies proving there is minimal to no "gender gap" in support for abortion rights. So I'm just once again posting the data so everyone else knows how absolutely full of shit and hateful you are.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 06/15/22 2:43:47 PM #101:	Guarantee that if the SC announced today that men were no longer allowed to get vasectomies, and that those who did would face steep fines or gaol time, these yahoos would be going "off the rails" about "muh rights!" --- https://i.imgur.com/ZwO4qO2.gifv What's better than roses on your piano? Tulips on your organ. <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:965836446] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Guarantee that if the SC announced today that men were no longer allowed to get vasectomies, and that those who did would face steep fines or gaol time, these yahoos would be going "off the rails" about "muh rights!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan 06/15/22 2:43:59 PM #102:	Meh, she's a financial crook using her political position to personally enrich herself. I don't give af if she's had abortions or was a sex worker. keyblader1985 posted... Zero chance her current opinion on abortion is motivated by regret. Ask anyone working in an abortion clinic and they'll tell you that they get a lot of pro-life clients who will tell them at length that what they're doing is heinous - before, during, and after their procedure. None of that stuff matters once it affects them personally. Ah, are you referring to this tendency?: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/15/1857976/--The-Only-Moral-Abortion-is-My-Abortion-an-article-by-Joyce-Arthur --- Hi <cite>Gaawa_chan posted [p:965836452] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Meh, she's a financial crook using her political position to personally enrich herself. I don't give af if she's had abortions or was a sex worker. keyblader1985 posted... </cite> <quote>Zero chance her current opinion on abortion is motivated by regret. Ask anyone working in an abortion clinic and they'll tell you that they get a lot of pro-life clients who will tell them at length that what they're doing is heinous - before, during, and after their procedure. None of that stuff matters once it affects them personally.</quote>Ah, are you referring to this tendency?: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/15/1857976/--The-Only-Moral-Abortion-is-My-Abortion-an-article-by-Joyce-Arthur </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 06/15/22 3:01:57 PM #103:	Far-Queue posted... No one, but you're the one trying to take a woman to task for having a passionate opinion regarding her right to bodily autonomy No one has done this. No one has suggested that Jen's opinion on this topic isn't valid or is somehow "lesser" than anyone else's. No one has suggested that being "passionate" over the question of whether or not abortion should be legal is unwarranted. People are simply pointing out that Jen attacking people who are voicing the same opinion as her is both counter-productive and also a bit of a dick move. Far-Queue posted... Guarantee that if the SC announced today that men were no longer allowed to get vasectomies, and that those who did would face steep fines or gaol time, these yahoos would be going "off the rails" about "muh rights!" Sure would. And I can tell you that I wouldn't be attacking any women who were saying, "Wait a minute, men should be allowed to manage their own reproductive health!" by telling them that their opinions didn't matter because they don't have a dick. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:965836925] in lmao, Laur... [t:80058279]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>No one, but you're the one trying to take a woman to task for having a passionate opinion regarding her right to bodily autonomy</quote>No one has done this. No one has suggested that Jen's opinion on this topic isn't valid or is somehow "lesser" than anyone else's. No one has suggested that being "passionate" over the question of whether or not abortion should be legal is unwarranted. People are simply pointing out that Jen attacking people who are voicing the same opinion as her is both counter-productive and also a bit of a dick move. Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Guarantee that if the SC announced today that men were no longer allowed to get vasectomies, and that those who did would face steep fines or gaol time, these yahoos would be going "off the rails" about "muh rights!"</quote>Sure would. And I can tell you that I wouldn't be attacking any women who were saying, "Wait a minute, men should be allowed to manage their own reproductive health!" by telling them that their opinions didn't matter because they don't have a dick. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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