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UT1999 02/04/22 6:02:53 PM #1: |
his bugatti chiron? story, below
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iirc , germany wants to prosecute him but in most parts of the autobahn there is no speed limit. He filmed it and posted it on youtube https://bit.ly/3uvVL59 --- "Sometimes they even attack wounded foxes" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Viscount 02/04/22 6:34:48 PM #2: |
If there's no speed limit, how can they charge him with anything? Or is this like a Gamefaqs situation? While much of Germanys Autobahn network famously has no speed limit, the Transport Ministry said in a statement Wednesday that it rejects any behavior in road traffic that leads or can lead to endangering road users. Vague rules left largely to the whims of whoever chooses to interpret them however they like? That does feel very Gamefaqian! By their own poorly-worded circular rules, the driver should still be fine, but given that the clause is worded in an almost-meaningless way, it could be interpreted to mean anything. Instead of pulling bullshit, they should just set a speed limit if they don't want somebody trying too fast. --- Woken LLC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UT1999 02/04/22 6:36:37 PM #3: |
The_Viscount posted... If there's no speed limit, how can they charge him with anything? Or is this like a Gamefaqs situation?they wanna charge him with reckless driving --- "Sometimes they even attack wounded foxes" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AndyReklaw 02/04/22 6:43:21 PM #5: |
So this does seem kinda unfair given what I know about the autobahn (...which is just that it's a road in Germany with no speed limit) but I can get why. If someone had crossed in front of him there would have been no way for him to brake in time. It's not possible for that to be considered safe driving unless he has superhuman reflexes. If they want to set an example that this speed is not okay I think they shouldn't do more than a warning but they oughta set that limit visibly somewhere if they're concerned. It can't be "You can go as fast as you want unless we retroactively decide you went too fast." --- This user is awesome!: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/user/gamefaqs-user?account=12351915135 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VideoboysaysCube 02/04/22 7:18:24 PM #6: |
The lack of speed limit isn't relevant. The citation should be for reckless driving. Traveling three times faster than every other car on the road is inherently dangerous. --- This sentence has five words. This sentence has eight words. Only one sentence in this signature is true. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SmugRickMoranis 02/04/22 7:35:48 PM #7: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] lmao --- Grammy nominated recording artist All-around good guy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Notschmendrake 02/04/22 7:39:24 PM #8: |
I refuse to ever drive in Europe lol. You people drive like you dont want to live. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EvilMegas 02/04/22 7:42:05 PM #9: |
VideoboysaysCube posted... The lack of speed limit isn't relevant. The citation should be for reckless driving. Traveling three times faster than every other car on the road is inherently dangerous. --- The first person to be fully vaccinated on GameFaQs. Boobs are life, ass is hometown Kenichiro Takaki. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bugmeat 02/04/22 8:06:48 PM #10: |
Nope. They just need to set a speed limit on it. Go ahead and make it a high one. But give everyone an obvious limit where the government has decided faster is considered reckless. Otherwise it's just to arbitrary. You can't have super vague rules like that. You can't say "No speed limit here" then turn around and say "You went too fast!!" --- "DO NOT INTIMIDATE ROBO-DUDE." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Viscount 02/04/22 8:13:23 PM #11: |
VideoboysaysCube posted... The lack of speed limit isn't relevant. The citation should be for reckless driving. Traveling three times faster than every other car on the road is inherently dangerous. If there was any basis to that claim, there'd be a speed limit and yet there's not. And your premise is fundamentally stupid. If you had five drivers going 25 on the autobahn and you were going 75, would that be "inherently dangerous?" --- Woken LLC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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faramir77 02/04/22 8:21:39 PM #12: |
I'd need to see the video. I think the lack of a speed limit is completely absurd and just begs for things like this to happen, but the burden of that absurdity shouldn't be on someone who didn't break any explicitly stated laws. The video might give some extra context to this that may change my mind. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCtAUrZbUk -- Defeating the Running Man of Ocarina of Time in a race since 01/17/2009. -- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VideoboysaysCube 02/04/22 8:57:30 PM #13: |
The_Viscount posted... If there was any basis to that claim, there'd be a speed limit and yet there's not. And your premise is fundamentally stupid. If you had five drivers going 25 on the autobahn and you were going 75, would that be "inherently dangerous?" No, the ones going 25 would be creating the danger. Reckless driving is determined by your speed relative to the general flow of traffic. That's why driving slow can still earn you a ticket even though there's no official speed minimum. --- This sentence has five words. This sentence has eight words. Only one sentence in this signature is true. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wpot 02/04/22 9:01:43 PM #14: |
Theyre both wrong. Its dumb not to have a limit or otherwise clear rule. Its also dumb to drive 257 mph. They deserve each other. --- Pronounced "Whup-pot". Say it. Use it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 02/04/22 9:30:09 PM #15: |
VideoboysaysCube posted... The lack of speed limit isn't relevant. The citation should be for reckless driving. Traveling three times faster than every other car on the road is inherently dangerous. --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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InfernalFive 02/04/22 9:33:40 PM #16: |
Notschmendrake posted... I refuse to ever drive in Europe lol. You people drive like you dont want to live.I can agree with this. Drivers in the south (especially texas) get a lot of shit and rightfully so. But overseas drivers are absolutely bonkers. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyfabsU4xH1qzy531o1_500.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ggCrHk8.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 02/04/22 9:34:02 PM #17: |
There was a video of a guy doing 185mph on the highway in Victoria, BC out to Langford. It was insane how fast he had to weave. I mean, that's part of it too. You have to drive recklessly if you're driving that fast. If it was nighttime, I mean, sure whatever. --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Viscount 02/04/22 9:37:13 PM #18: |
VideoboysaysCube posted... No, the ones going 25 would be creating the danger. Reckless driving is determined by your speed relative to the general flow of traffic. That's why driving slow can still earn you a ticket even though there's no official speed minimum. And what determines the general flow of traffic? If you don't have a traffic limit and 5 people are going 25, are they not the general flow of traffic and you the exception? Not having a speed limit works both ways -- you can't argue that somebody is going too fast or too slow. InfernalFive posted... I can agree with this. Drivers in the south (especially texas) get a lot of shit and rightfully so. But overseas drivers are absolutely bonkers. Well, they have better mass transit in Europe so thankfully fewer people are on the road. --- Woken LLC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackScythe0 02/04/22 10:09:08 PM #19: |
They should absolutely cite him for reckless driving. I don't know how this works in Germany but here in the US you get the opportunity to argue even a traffic ticket to a judge, if he wants to try and argue how it was reasonable for him to go 257 on a public road with other people on it let him try. I personally don't see how any reasonable human being could consider this acceptable however. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nichtcrawler X 02/04/22 10:13:39 PM #20: |
VideoboysaysCube posted... That's why driving slow can still earn you a ticket even though there's no official speed minimum. Highways tend to do. Or at the very least a minimum speed a vehicle should be able to reach. Suggesting that under regular circumstances, driving slower can be reckless. I think that speed is 60 km/h here. --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ParanoidObsessive 02/04/22 11:09:49 PM #21: |
UT1999 posted... but in most parts of the autobahn there is no speed limit. That's basically the only thing anyone outside of Europe knows about the Autobahn. It's like its primary defining characteristic. Kind of a bullshit premise to attempt to punish someone for driving fast on a road that literally has no upper limit. And it doesn't really qualify as reckless driving unless they can prove that he was demonstrably incapable of controlling the car at that speed. If anything, the only questionable part would be filming it, because that can tie into distracted driving. But even then that's the sort of thing you should nail someone for while they're doing it, not after the fact. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SinisterSlay 02/04/22 11:36:47 PM #22: |
By their own admission they have to prove he wasn't in control. A Chiron can sit quite comfortably at that speed. And peel your face off if you step on the brakes. So seems like something that will be tossed in court. --- He who stumbles around in darkness with a stick is blind. But he who... sticks out in darkness... is... fluorescent! - Brother Silence Lose 50 experience ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wolfy42 02/05/22 12:11:35 AM #23: |
I mean, he didn't crash or cause an accident, so was it really reckless? --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revelation34 02/05/22 10:04:28 AM #24: |
Since there's no speed limit he shouldn't be charged with anything. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RoboXgp89 02/05/22 10:20:54 AM #25: |
he could've easily killed someone speed limit should be 80mph --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 02/05/22 10:21:27 AM #26: |
VideoboysaysCube posted... The lack of speed limit isn't relevant. The citation should be for reckless driving. Traveling three times faster than every other car on the road is inherently dangerous. This. Bugmeat posted... Nope. They just need to set a speed limit on it. Go ahead and make it a high one. But give everyone an obvious limit where the government has decided faster is considered reckless. Otherwise it's just to arbitrary. You can't have super vague rules like that. But also this. I think this particular case should fall on the side of prosecution, since this is clearly ridiculously excessive (really, cars that go faster than about 80 mph shouldn't even be commercially available, but that's a separate issue), but there should be something official to fall back on when people take the "no speed limit" thing too literally and ignore basic common sense. ParanoidObsessive posted... If anything, the only questionable part would be filming it, because that can tie into distracted driving. But even then that's the sort of thing you should nail someone for while they're doing it, not after the fact. You can (and should) be nailed for something like that after the fact if there's proof you did it. The fact that the video exists is incontrovertible proof, so... wolfy42 posted... I mean, he didn't crash or cause an accident, so was it really reckless? Of course it is. "Reckless" just means "creating unnecessary risks." Those risks don't actually have to manifest (in fact, there are usually separate charges if they do, which I don't altogether agree with because the only difference between "dangerous driving" and "dangerous driving causing death" is luck), you just have to be driving recklessly. There's absolutely no way to argue that he was sufficiently in control of the situation to safely drive that fast (given that there were other people on the road). The_Viscount posted... And your premise is fundamentally stupid. If you had five drivers going 25 on the autobahn and you were going 75, would that be "inherently dangerous?" Yes. Very obviously, such that I have no idea how you thought that was possibly a good analogy to make your desired point. The concept of a "safe speed limit" is defined by the conditions. A linear multiplier isn't necessarily the most reasonable approach to it (like if everyone's doing 2 and you're doing 6, you're fine), but going so vastly faster than everyone around you is generally a bad idea. If everyone around you is too slow, slow down, pass them reasonably, and then get back up to your desired speed. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FatalAccident 02/05/22 10:40:03 AM #27: |
Impossible to tell without seeing the video. 257mph sounds ridiculous but if everybody else is going at 220mph is it really reckless driving? They cant charge him with speeding and reckless driving sounds OTT if this is the case. Now if were saying he was fucking around with his camera or on his phone or genuinely being reckless by dangerously weaving in and out then okay charge him but going faster than other people on the Autobahn isnt in itself reckless get a grip people --- *walks away* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BUMPED2002 02/05/22 11:26:14 AM #28: |
He should be prosecuted for driving that fast period. He could have hurt somebody. Some people who want to drive that fast usually do it on a professional race track not public streets. --- SpankageBros ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Decoy77 02/05/22 3:13:10 PM #29: |
BUMPED2002 posted... He should be prosecuted for driving that fast period. He could have hurt somebody. Some people who want to drive that fast usually do it on a professional race track not public streets. Oh you picked up a knife, in a kitchen where knives are used, you could have hurt someone. Some people who want to use knives should go to restaurants where professionals use them, not in homes. You should be prosecuted for it. That's how dumb you sound. If he drove on section with no speed limit then when would he be arrested for...going whatever speed he wants. DUMB! Next case! --- 5-27-15 The day Gfaqs died i7 10700k | MSI MAG Z490 TOMAHAWK | EVGA RTX 2070 SUPER | CORSAIR 32GB RAM | LG 27'' 144hz @1440p | Win10 x64 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 02/05/22 3:25:28 PM #30: |
Decoy77 posted... Oh you picked up a knife, in a kitchen where knives are used, you could have hurt someone. Some people who want to use knives should go to restaurants where professionals use them, not in homes. You should be prosecuted for it. Are you really comparing picking up a knife to driving at 257 mph on a public road? You really think those are comparable? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Decoy77 02/05/22 3:29:42 PM #31: |
adjl posted... Are you really comparing picking up a knife to driving at 257 mph on a public road? You really think those are comparable? He seems to think that the POTENTIAL to hurt someone, even with NO ONE WAS HURT is reason enough to prosecuted. So I used the same situation, where someone COULD have been stabbed by someone picking up a knife but no one was, but the POTENTIAL was there so he best be prosecuted for it. Good ol "Freedom" right? He broke no laws (no speed limit in the area he drove) so why? --- 5-27-15 The day Gfaqs died i7 10700k | MSI MAG Z490 TOMAHAWK | EVGA RTX 2070 SUPER | CORSAIR 32GB RAM | LG 27'' 144hz @1440p | Win10 x64 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RoboXgp89 02/05/22 3:30:40 PM #32: |
race track drivers sign a form they wont' sue the other person the citizens driving didn't sign anything like that, he could easily hit a animal or run over a pot hole going at those speeds and nobody knows what would happen --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EvilMegas 02/05/22 3:32:21 PM #33: |
Decoy77 posted... Oh you picked up a knife, in a kitchen where knives are used, you could have hurt someone. Some people who want to use knives should go to restaurants where professionals use them, not in homes. You should be prosecuted for it.You made the worst analogy ever then called someone else dumb lol --- The first person to be fully vaccinated on GameFaQs. Boobs are life, ass is hometown Kenichiro Takaki. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 02/05/22 3:32:35 PM #34: |
Decoy77 posted... He seems to think that the POTENTIAL to hurt someone, even with NO ONE WAS HURT is reason enough to prosecuted. So I used the same situation, where someone COULD have been stabbed by someone picking up a knife but no one was, but the POTENTIAL was there so he best be prosecuted for it. Good ol "Freedom" right? Allow me to rephrase: Are you really comparing the level of risk associated with picking up a knife to the level of risk associated with driving at 257 mph on a public road? You really think those risk levels are comparable? Decoy77 posted... He broke no laws (no speed limit in the area he drove) so why? He didn't break speeding laws, but the question is whether or not he broke reckless driving laws. Reckless driving laws do not require a speed limit. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EvilMegas 02/05/22 3:33:34 PM #35: |
Decoy77 posted... He seems to think that the POTENTIAL to hurt someone, even with NO ONE WAS HURT is reason enough to prosecuted. So I used the same situation, where someone COULD have been stabbed by someone picking up a knife but no one was, but the POTENTIAL was there so he best be prosecuted for it. Good ol "Freedom" right? He broke no laws (no speed limit in the area he drove) so why? That almost the definition of reckless driving. --- The first person to be fully vaccinated on GameFaQs. Boobs are life, ass is hometown Kenichiro Takaki. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackScythe0 02/05/22 3:33:48 PM #36: |
Decoy77 posted... Oh you picked up a knife, in a kitchen where knives are used, you could have hurt someone. Some people who want to use knives should go to restaurants where professionals use them, not in homes. You should be prosecuted for it. Why are you asking how dumb someone else sounds after what you said? You are comparing something reasonable to something completely unreasonable. I have yet to see anyone make an argument how 257 is reasonable on a public road. It's objectively reckless. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wolfy42 02/05/22 3:49:49 PM #37: |
I bet the mofo was belting out "I can't drive 255" as he did it as well. --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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