Board 8 > NFL Divisional Round Discussion Topic Part 2

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Also no matter how many times the NFL changes the overtime rules, fans will be complaining about the overtime rules the very next year

Leonhart4 posted...

Buffalo should've never let it come down to overtime in the first place

left too much time

literally any time is too much time for mahomes lmfao

theawesomestevr posted...

I will never get the complaints about the coin toss. The game has to end some time, and if your defense sucks this much, you have no real complaints about not moving on. Maybe change the rule that the other team gets to possess but has to go for 2 if the other team is up 7 or something, but if I'm a Bills fan, I'm way more upset about that 4th quarter choke by my defense than not getting the ball back in OT.

But it's not fair. After 60 minutes, defenses are almost always completely gassed. OT has an incredible advantage for offense. Whoever wins the coin toss has a huge advantage.

Overtime, both teams get one possession and you HAVE to go for two. If it's still tied after the first two possessions, next score wins.

coin toss, no plays. just whoever gets the coin toss right wins.

I get the argument for OT rules of, "play defense". But I think there's also an argument, if we accept that in some situations going into OT, both defenses are helpless due to fatigue and both offenses are rolling, that the more entertaining thing is to see which offense fails first, instead of whether an exhausted defense can pull one out of their hat.

In other words, with a lot of the rest of the league tilting toward offense, isn't it reasonable to also tilt OT towards highlighting offense? If you go into OT in a situation where both defenses will fail, then it really is the coin flip deciding it pretty much, instead of seeing which offense can't keep it up for as long as the other.

Leonhart4 posted...

Also no matter how many times the NFL changes the overtime rules, fans will be complaining about the overtime rules the very next year

Because the next time the NFL changes the rules it will be to something even more confusing/stupid. Saying both teams get one possession is the easiest thing but people still fight against it for reasons i don't get.

KingButz posted...

But it's not fair. After 60 minutes, defenses are almost always completely gassed. OT has an incredible advantage for offense. Whoever wins the coin toss has a huge advantage.

You have data to back that up? I think I remember reading the coin toss gave a very marginal advantage.

hockeydude15 posted...

Everyone besides the rushing 4 were 20+ yards back while every single reciever for KC was within 20 yards. All that when a 20 yard gain gets them into field goal position, so yea it was.

No. 35 for Buffalo was maybe 5 yards downfield and gave Kelce a free release inside like he was guarding the sideline or something for no reason. That had nothing to do with prevent.

Edit: Sorry, it was 39 - not 35 - but either way, they weren't playing prevent.

Seanchan posted...

You have data to back that up? I think I remember reading the coin toss gave a very marginal advantage.

The team that wins the coin toss wins like 60% of the time.

Seanchan posted...

You have data to back that up? I think I remember reading the coin toss gave a very marginal advantage.

All it takes is one instance in a playoff situation for everyone to get irate about it, no matter how frequently or infrequently it happens

Seanchan posted...

You have data to back that up? I think I remember reading the coin toss gave a very marginal advantage.

As of the end of this regular season, I believe the stats on the OT coin toss under the current rules is:

52% the team that gets the ball first win
42% the team that kicks off to start OT wins.
6% tie

So it's an advantage but not "they always win."

I feel like OT possession should be a kickoff by whichever team had the ball last in regulation. The games where a team ties the score in regulation but cant defend in OT feel better than a team getting consecutive possessions like this. Ino

So season's basically over and I'm officially just in it for the memes now. There is no more interesting football to be played. The rest are blowouts.

The niners have no chance with Jimmy G. The Rams aren't reliable either. Best we can hope for is a comedy of errors. But probably the Rams win easily.

The Bengals are everyone's favorite team remaining but they're running into a buzzsaw. The Bengals are still like two years early for where they actually are. You could say they're playing with house money, but realistically they get demolished.

Chiefs also demolish Rams. They couldn't finish off Tom Brady and no one else; they're not going to keep up. At least Stafford gets to go to a SB.

bring on the commercials

Yep.

I don't think we get a remotely interesting game going forward, time to go into football detox mode.

colliding posted...

bring on the commercials

there is nothing more overrated in sports than Super Bowl commercials

colliding posted...

The niners have no chance with Jimmy G. The Rams aren't reliable either. Best we can hope for is a comedy of errors. But probably the Rams win easily.

thats what we thought the first two times they played this year. and 49ers won both (and have won the last 6 straight against the rams)

KommunistKoala posted...

thats what we thought the first two times they played this year. and 49ers won both (and have won the last 6 straight against the rams)

that's a good point, I forgot about shanahan's bellicheckian ability to get inside his former asst heads

I still think rams win, but if it's somehow a niners/chiefs super bowl... yeesh what a bloodbath

Yall are too pessimistic. We just saw quite possibly the best weekend of football ever. Im gonna wait before I swear off the rest of the season.

jimmy g is powered by doubt

rams better be ready

Also 49ers just beat the Rams in a great close game like two weeks ago. Stop being such doomers about there being no interesting games left.

Well the Bengals beat the Chiefs three weeks ago too so idk why suddenly they have no shot.

Yeah, 49ers/Rams is far from being a no contest type of game. Hell, if anything, if it were to be such a game history points in the 49ers' favor!

Chiefs the way they've been playing should run the Bengals out of the building but I will not underestimate the burrow factor

KC/LA will be a good super bowl as long as Cooper Kupp is healthy (he is league MVP imo)

Can't wait for the USFL this April!!!!!!!!

I'll never say a playoff game can't be good because anything can happen in one game

https://twitter.com/Ihartitz/status/1485445196888346625

stat of the playoffs

neonreaper posted...

I feel like OT possession should be a kickoff by whichever team had the ball last in regulation. The games where a team ties the score in regulation but cant defend in OT feel better than a team getting consecutive possessions like this. Ino

Same, except to prevent teams going to silly lengths to game the rule, write it so the last team to score kicks off.

redrocket posted...

Same, except to prevent teams going to silly lengths to game the rule, write it so the last team to score kicks off.

and if the game goes into OT at 0-0 both teams lose

if it's the super bowl that's it. no one won that season. the entire league takes the L

LeonhartFour posted...

https://twitter.com/Ihartitz/status/1485445196888346625

stat of the playoffs

close competition tho

https://twitter.com/PFF_Fantasy/status/1485450483619622913

Mahomes threw for 188 yards after the two minute warning lmao wtf

The adrenaline is just now wearing off. I just now realized I haven't eaten anything since lunch.

What a fucking game that was.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1485457412526067714?s=20

"When it's grim, be the Grim Reaper."
-Andy Reid

My phone died in the 3rd quarter

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/3/2/AANyqMAAC13k.jpg

it took 15 years but finally have a new greatest game Ive ever seen love

Gonna catch up on the thread now

Leonhart4 posted...

Was that you Dr Football

i received this text 6 times

OT rules should be changed.

Lost to the Pats 3 years ago in a very similar way as we won today.

McDermott and Leslie Frazier should be ashamed of themselves. 13 seconds.

Probably the greatest choke job in the history of professional sports. It makes sense that the Bills would pull that offl

I've been sitting here still trying to calm down some so I can sleep, and had a realization for just how fucking weird this divisional round was....
The team that had 9 sacks: lost
The team that didn't give up an offensive td: lost
The team that caused 4 turnovers in the final 16 minutes of the game: lost
The team with a WR that went 200+ yards and 4 TDs: lost

ExThaNemesis posted...

McDermott and Leslie Frazier should be ashamed of themselves. 13 seconds.

Probably the greatest choke job in the history of professional sports. It makes sense that the Bills would pull that offl

Nah, 28-3 still reigns supreme

Barely

(Or the Yankees blowing the 3-0 lead to the Red Sox that ExTha swore he'd close his account over if it happened)

Also Josh Allen led two game winning touchdown drives in the final five minutes of the game and still lost

27-3 would have been so hilariously epic given the brady context.

Also if I was the bucs I would go find a corner who can actually cover <_<

Leonhart4 posted...

Also no matter how many times the NFL changes the overtime rules, fans will be complaining about the overtime rules the very next year

The problem I had with last night's ending (and Pats/Chiefs 2018 and the Falcons/Pats Super Bowl) is that the OT period was such an anticlimax. Chiefs trotted downfield and won. Yawn.

colliding posted...

So season's basically over and I'm officially just in it for the memes now. There is no more interesting football to be played. The rest are blowouts.

The niners have no chance with Jimmy G. The Rams aren't reliable either. Best we can hope for is a comedy of errors. But probably the Rams win easily.

The Bengals are everyone's favorite team remaining but they're running into a buzzsaw. The Bengals are still like two years early for where they actually are. You could say they're playing with house money, but realistically they get demolished.

Chiefs also demolish Rams. They couldn't finish off Tom Brady and no one else; they're not going to keep up. At least Stafford gets to go to a SB.

bring on the commercials

I wouldn't count on next week's games being blowouts (I could see each being a one-score game), but I'm 99% certain we're getting Chiefs/Rams.

Ever since Goodell took over as commish in 2006, the Super Bowl has always been "marketable" in terms of the players and teams that participate. AFC QBs are always household names like Brady, Manning, Ben, and Mahomes (the one exception being Flacco in 2012, which had the "Harbaugh Bowl" appeal). With the NFC teams you sometimes get an underdog story like the '08 Cardinals or the '17 Eagles, but on the other hand you also have the travesty that was the 2018 NFC Champ game, which shafted the 50th-ranked TV market (Saints) in favor of the 2nd-ranked TV market (Rams). The NFL desperately wants to grow in the LA area, so if the 49ers play well on Sunday, expect the refs to help LA at the end.

Bottom line: The NFL wants a sexy matchup. They want casual fans to get excited about the game. They want to expand their market. They want to charge out the ass for SB ads. And unless Mahomes or Stafford suffers a brutal injury, we're getting Chiefs/Rams.

As for the Chiefs/Rams game itself, I'd pick the Rams to win that game because of their defensive front.

xp1337 posted...

https://twitter.com/PFF_Fantasy/status/1485450483619622913

Mahomes threw for 188 yards after the two minute warning lmao wtf

Jags fan here. Trevor Lawrence passed for 213.6 yards per game this season.

plasmabeam posted...

The problem I had with last night's ending (and Pats/Chiefs 2018 and the Falcons/Pats Super Bowl) is that the OT period was such an anticlimax. Chiefs trotted downfield and won. Yawn.

I agree, usually, but we also got that great Tebow crushing the Steelers moment which always makes me happy remembering

plasmabeam posted...

The problem I had with last night's ending (and Pats/Chiefs 2018 and the Falcons/Pats Super Bowl) is that the OT period was such an anticlimax. Chiefs trotted downfield and won. Yawn.

And how is that any better than: Bills get a chance to match, trot down the field and score. Chiefs get the ball back in TRUE SUDDEN DEATH, trot down the field again and score? I mean, the 2nd time they would only need a FG to win it, right?

At a certain point, the people asking for both teams to possess would cause the game to inevitably evolve into the college OT rules. And that includes the no kickoffs and shortened fields because the strain on the players bodies would be too much.

I've said it once and I'll say it again. If you can't play D, you don't deserve to win.

FFDragon posted...

I agree, usually, but we also got that great Tebow crushing the Steelers moment which always makes me happy remembering

Hahahah classic.

Seanchan posted...

And how is that any better than: Bills get a chance to match, trot down the field and score. Chiefs get the ball back in TRUE SUDDEN DEATH, trot down the field again and score? I mean, the 2nd time they would only need a FG to win it, right?

At a certain point, the people asking for both teams to possess would cause the game to inevitably evolve into the college OT rules. And that includes the no kickoffs and shortened fields because the strain on the players bodies would be too much.

Bills/Chiefs with college OT rules would've been electrifying at the rate both QBs were playing. Not saying college OT rules are the answer, but imagine that duel going back and forth on short fields.

If they change the NFL OT rules, I'm for "each team possesses the ball at least once." Both offenses and defenses should see the field regardless of whether a TD is scored.

I've said it once and I'll say it again. If you can't play D, you don't deserve to win.

Chiefs didn't win because of their defense. C'mon now.

plasmabeam posted...

Chiefs didn't win because of their defense. C'mon now.

It was more a general statement than anything particular to that game. It's not like that game was punt-less though, so there were some D stops. Also, didn't quite realize this at the time but no turnovers in that game. Only a missed FG by KC.

plasmabeam posted...

Bills/Chiefs with college OT rules would've been electrifying at the rate both QBs were playing. Not saying college OT rules are the answer, but imagine that duel going back and forth on short fields.

All offense can be just as boring as all defense. The former is better for the casual fan, driving viewership, and the bottom line but I don't think it makes for a better experience when points are being put up on every drive. It's still a "one note" game. It's the swings in momentum that make the game interesting.

Of course, I understand that game was an aberration, because Mahomes and Allen are very likely the 2 best QBs in the NFL. We likely got the Super Bowl 3 weeks early.

FFDragon posted...

I agree, usually, but we also got that great Tebow crushing the Steelers moment which always makes me happy remembering

Tebow 316 (yards)

(Also the current college OT rules are hot garbage; just make OT a QB skills competition)

If they change the NFL OT rules, I'm for "each team possesses the ball at least once." Both offenses and defenses should see the field regardless of whether a TD is scored.

I don't disagree with the idea of this, but the winner in a game like yesterday will still be "whoever wins the coin toss".

I'd rather see the team that ties up the score at the end have to kick off. It's just weird that the Bills had to defend two drives without their offense being able to get on the field.

neonreaper posted...

If they change the NFL OT rules, I'm for "each team possesses the ball at least once." Both offenses and defenses should see the field regardless of whether a TD is scored.

I don't disagree with the idea of this, but the winner in a game like yesterday will still be "whoever wins the coin toss".

I see what you're saying, but it could open up strategies involving 2-pt conversions. If the Chiefs score first, do they kick the XP or go for two? If they miss the two, Buffalo needs TD+XP to win. If the Chiefs kick the XP, Buffalo can score a TD and go for two to win it (or miss the 2-pt and Chiefs win).

Not sure that this would best way of doing OT, but it would add drama.

I'd rather see the team that ties up the score at the end have to kick off. It's just weird that the Bills had to defend two drives without their offense being able to get on the field.

The issue here is that not all end-of-regulation ties happen on the last play of the game.

plasmabeam posted...

I see what you're saying, but it could open up strategies involving 2-pt conversions.

I think the Ravens proved this year that 2-pt strategies are the worst. They absolutely would have been bounced right away but they would have made the playoffs if they just went with the best god damn kicker the league has ever seen.