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COVxy
01/12/22 1:15:48 PM
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Because this is the same dude that's on fraudulant Ivermectin papers?

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superman 2000
01/12/22 1:18:30 PM
#102:


Maybe if we didn't look to celebrities for educational information in the first place, this wouldn't be such a problem. It all starts with the culture.

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Houston
01/12/22 1:23:47 PM
#103:


MrPeppers posted...
It'd be a lot better if he brought on actual experts to discuss the risks, benefits, alternatives, and projections when he brings on individuals with fringe experience. We have people in this topic who watch Rogan, and because of their preconceived notions, are willing to buy into whatever a self-proclaimed expert says because the snake oil lines up with their narrative. Unfortunately, people who listen in on these kinds of things lack any understanding of research, medicine, appraisal of data, etc. and Rogan tends to throw away his journalistic integrity for the sake of exploring his own personal curiosities. So many people walk away from these types of things going "Hmmm", and there really needs to be a disclaimer and prominent reminder that this is not currently accepted science and is pure conjecture.

I dont know if I'd consider Dr Malone to be "fringe". Look at his credentials.

Or check out the podcast.

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OrangeWizard
01/12/22 1:24:24 PM
#104:


COVxy posted...
Because this is the same dude that's on fraudulant Ivermectin papers?

Which papers?

AFAIK he and four others, resigned from a board because an Ivermectin paper was removed. They didn't write the papers

https://www.hartgroup.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/ResignationsFrontiers.pdf
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berlyman101
01/12/22 1:44:34 PM
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https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2022/01/so-called-mass-formation-psychosis-does-not-exist-despite-what-you-might-have-heard-on-joe-rogan.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/covid-psychosis-theory-joe-rogan-b1989552.html

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/robert-malones-statements-on-the-dana-show-about-vaccine-safety-virus-variants-inaccurate-unsupported-dana-loesch/

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/01/02/what-is-mass-formation-psychosis-robert-malone-makes-covid-19-vaccine-claims-on-joe-rogan-show/

According to the Associated Press and dozens of other journalists citing experts at least as qualified as Malone, Malone is full of shit. I'm sure that after everyone here reviews this overwhelming evidence, we can all agree that Malone is a huckster with a personal vendetta he is playing out in a historic pandemic. Because we'll all have looked at all the evidence from all the available sources and done our own research.

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Giant_Aspirin
01/12/22 1:45:48 PM
#106:


"well this one guy says what i want to hear, so i'll trust him over the other 99 experts"

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masterpug53
01/12/22 1:49:36 PM
#107:


Giant_Aspirin posted...
"well this one guy says what i want to hear, so i'll trust him over the other 99 experts"

"Well clearly that just makes him the lone sane dissenter in a world gone mad with government suppression and medical cabals! ...No, I have NOT seen way too many movies, why do you keep saying that?!"

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COVxy
01/12/22 1:55:17 PM
#108:


OrangeWizard posted...
Which papers?

AFAIK he and four others, resigned from a board because an Ivermectin paper was removed. They didn't write the papers

https://www.hartgroup.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/ResignationsFrontiers.pdf

Yes, that's my bad. He's pushed ivermectin and stepped down from an editor position because it was outrageous that a fradulant paper on ivermectin was retracted.

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MutantJohn
01/12/22 1:56:50 PM
#109:


Fwiw, Joe Rogan even acknowledges that his podcast pushes pseudoscience under the guise of "I know it's bro-science but..."

So basically, he knows he's peddling bullshit and he knows it sounds reasonable to the average person. He tries to put a disclaimer on it but he really doesn't.

For that reason, I think Joe Rogan is a GRIFTER!

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masterpug53
01/12/22 1:59:27 PM
#110:


The 'I'm no expert, but...' line is almost always a deliberate disarming tactic rather than a genuine admittance of ignorance.

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OrangeWizard
01/12/22 2:00:42 PM
#111:


COVxy posted...
Yes, that's my bad. He's pushed ivermectin and stepped down from an editor position because it was outrageous that a fradulant paper on ivermectin was retracted.

They said why they resigned in the paper:

The scientific process requires fair, open, and transparent peer review to proceed effectively and efficiently particularly at this time and for this topic. The actions of Frontiers in this matter clearly violate well established norms and processes for peer review and publication of scientific works and intellectual contributions, and instead have substituted a unilateral, arbitrary, and capricious process. On behalf of our peers, our institutions, and our scientific and medical colleagues we cannot allow this precedent to remain unchallenged. In our opinion, these unfortunate events constitute gross editorial misconduct by Frontiers.
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SauI_Goodman
01/12/22 2:01:36 PM
#112:


Poor joe rogaine is just trying to make a buck guys. Leave him alone he doesnt bother you at your jobs

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COVxy
01/12/22 2:05:06 PM
#113:


OrangeWizard posted...
They said why they resigned in the paper:

Which is a wordy statement to say "we disagree with [this particular] editorial retraction". Editorial retractions happen all the time.

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Giant_Aspirin
01/12/22 2:08:04 PM
#114:


SauI_Goodman posted...
Poor joe rogaine is just trying to make a buck guys. Leave him alone he doesnt bother you at your jobs

he kinda does though, because his dipshit followers endanger everyone they come into contact with by actively avoiding preventative measures.

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MasterVading
01/12/22 2:12:03 PM
#115:


Autarch posted...
Instead of deplatforming how about you just behave like a rational adult and just simply not listen to his podcast?


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OrangeWizard
01/12/22 2:13:14 PM
#116:


COVxy posted...
Which is a wordy statement to say "we disagree with [this particular] editorial retraction". Editorial retractions happen all the time.

Not in scientific journals. The "editor" shouldn't just have unilateral power to remove any paper for arbitrary reasons. Think of the implications of that:

"This journal says that vapes is bad for you, but the vape industry is implying that they'll grease my palms if I retract it. Yoink!"
And then the new story comes out "JUNK SCIENCE article that says that VAPES are BAD is RETRACTED!" with the misleading implication that vapes aren't bad for you.

That would be such a gross perversion of science and any journal that has such "standards" wouldn't be worth the digital paper it's printed on.

On the other hand, if what you're saying is true, that "the editor" can just retract anything because they feel like it, then that doesn't necessarily lead to the conclusion that a retracted paper has anything wrong with it. Any such paper could be perfectly good science, and it only means that "the editor" removed it on a whim.
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COVxy
01/12/22 2:15:38 PM
#117:


OrangeWizard posted...
Not in scientific journals.

Yes, as it turns out.

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OrangeWizard
01/12/22 2:18:52 PM
#118:


COVxy posted...
Yes, as it turns out.

So then, just because the paper was retracted, it doesn't necessarily mean that there was anything wrong with the paper. It just means that the editor removed it for arbitrary reasons, because the editor has that power.

Hey that's exactly the problem that Malone and 3 others had with the retraction. It all comes full circle.
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COVxy
01/12/22 2:21:54 PM
#119:


OrangeWizard posted...
So then, just because the paper was retracted, it doesn't necessarily mean that there was anything wrong with the paper. It just means that the editor removed it for arbitrary reasons, because the editor has that power.

Hey that's exactly the problem that Malone and 3 others had with the retraction. It all comes full circle.

When a paper gets retracted like that, it's because other scientists write responses and letters to the editor requesting retraction.

They don't just get retracted willy nilly. It just means that the authors didn't request the retraction.

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OrangeWizard
01/12/22 2:25:57 PM
#120:


COVxy posted...
When a paper gets retracted like that, it's because other scientists write responses and letters to the editor requesting retraction.

That's not how science works, though. It's not a shouting match. If scientists think that the conclusion is wrong, then they should conduct their own studies and prove it with science, not rhetoric.

You are exactly stating the reasons why Malone and others had a problem with this: this isn't science.
That's why they resigned.

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MutantJohn
01/12/22 2:26:56 PM
#121:


When bunk science is published, it's guaranteed to be retracted.

Even when there's other studies that prove it incorrect, you don't leave misinformation published in a journal.

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OrangeWizard
01/12/22 2:29:57 PM
#122:


MutantJohn posted...
Even when there's other studies that prove it incorrect, you don't leave misinformation published in a journal.

But that's not what happened in this case. It's not merely the retraction that caused them to leave, it was how it was retracted, and it was retracted in a very unscientific manner, they claim.

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COVxy
01/12/22 2:33:53 PM
#123:


OrangeWizard posted...
That's not how science works

Lol, you have no idea who idea how science works.

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Stewman_Magoo
01/12/22 2:35:33 PM
#124:


OrangeWizard posted...
But that's not what happened in this case. It's not merely the retraction that caused them to leave, it was how it was retracted, and it was retracted in a very unscientific manner, they claim.

Oh ok let's take them at their word then.

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OrangeWizard
01/12/22 2:39:30 PM
#125:


COVxy posted...
Lol, you have no idea who idea how science works.

I'm just going by what they said in their letter. They would know how science works better than anyone on GameFAQS, having many published papers under their collective belt.

Stewman_Magoo posted...
Oh ok let's take them at their word then.

Feel free to cite dissenting opinions on the issue of Frontier's retraction process from other scientists.
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MedeaLysistrata
01/12/22 2:40:37 PM
#126:


Joe Rogan Show is basically a list of what people can and can't say I think, in show format

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wiiking96
01/12/22 2:41:10 PM
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watertank
01/12/22 2:48:29 PM
#128:


MutantJohn posted...
When bunk science is published, it's guaranteed to be retracted.

Even when there's other studies that prove it incorrect, you don't leave misinformation published in a journal.
except there were no studies to prove it incorrect

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COVxy
01/12/22 2:53:31 PM
#129:


watertank posted...
except there were no studies to prove it incorrect

If I state, "therefore, this data show that the earth is flat", but the data do not actually show that, you don't need additional data to say "that statement is not supported by data".

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ThyCorndog
01/12/22 2:53:32 PM
#130:


people really think you can just publish a paper, no matter how poor your methods were, and then have it just sit there until someone disproves you

Lmaoooo

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BlockWatcher
01/12/22 3:17:16 PM
#131:






lmfao at the alt-lefties ITT buttmad to the point they want to silence anyone with a differing opinion or facts.

why is it always all or nothing with these people? oh, shutting him down will end the misinformation! oh, getting the vaccine will end the pandemic! like gee, no it wont at this point. it's about the total elimination of free speech, minimizing the opportunities for this type of system to ever be tried again.


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MutantJohn
01/12/22 3:40:15 PM
#135:


I feel like this topic has only further proved my point.

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Invader_ZIMM
01/12/22 4:19:12 PM
#136:


Well, I've gotten the first two vaxxes, got covid about 2 weeks ago, and was fine in 5 days. Was pretty sick tho.

My best friend's wife is an anti vaxxer, got it, and was sick for 3 weeks and is still all snotty and sickly.

So I have my beliefs based on irl experience, and after listening to Joe rogan...he kinda reminds me of the Ancient Aliens people.

Like, yeah, it's POSSIBLE these conspiracies are true, but even if they were....what in the fuck could you do about it even IF you can prove them?

Humanity's main survival tactic is to bully and de-weaponize any and everything around us, and it works very very well. No different in conversation.

You can look for all the facts and evidence you want, but it's all someone else's take.

Not saying go get covid and find out, but like....that's kinda the only way to subvert all the arbitrations and opinionated righteousness.

Tldr; none of us know EXACTLY anything really and neither do any experts. Only strong, verified beliefs.

But non of that matters, humanistic progress is more about winning than it is surviving and noone really knows how to take it. We aren't evolved for this shit lol.

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COVxy
01/12/22 4:22:45 PM
#137:


OrangeWizard posted...

In a shocking turn of events, this poster has been suspended for defending a nazi and his comics.

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AssAssasin69
01/12/22 4:27:51 PM
#138:


Shut the fuck up.

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AssAssasin69
01/12/22 4:28:54 PM
#139:


gunplagirl posted...
Sounds like you need to have her sign a postnup then throw away the whole wife.
Funny how women are disposable once they have the wrong opinions

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Very_Unreliable
01/12/22 4:31:45 PM
#140:


Robot2600 posted...
Freedom of speech doesn't include FRAUD, which is what these people are doing: lying or being extremely negligent for personal profit.
mald

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masterpug53
01/12/22 4:34:52 PM
#142:


AssAssasin69 posted...
Funny how women are disposable once they have the wrong opinions

Funny how throwaway alts only care about women's rights when they're trying to force a 'gotcha.'

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Very_Unreliable
01/12/22 4:36:33 PM
#143:


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you cannot mask your absolute mald behind "lmfaos" and "lols" every post you make is just oozing with irrationality that only comes from being extremely angry, and it's sad man, I hope you get some help.

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AssAssasin69
01/12/22 4:36:54 PM
#144:


Who knows more, the guy who has interviewed hundreds of scientists and knowledgeable people in several fields and always questing for new information, or the CE woke mob who get all of their news and info from biased, liberal owned shill sources?

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Very_Unreliable
01/12/22 4:37:51 PM
#146:


AssAssasin69 posted...
Who knows more, the guy who has interviewed hundreds of scientists and knowledgeable people in several fields and always questing for new information, or the CE woke mob who get all of their news and info from biased, liberal owned shill sources?
it's not even worth arguing, they are 100% aware that every source they use is far left shill.

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AssAssasin69
01/12/22 4:37:57 PM
#147:


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Nope. And why are you typing "lmfao"? You aren't laughing you're clearly angry

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Very_Unreliable
01/12/22 4:38:22 PM
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good one. you've shut down the opposition. you win!

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COVxy
01/12/22 4:41:36 PM
#150:


OrangeWizard got two of his accounts zapped in like less than a hour lol.

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