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Heliogabalus 11/09/21 11:27:08 PM #1:	I understand it inasmuch as I can see why some groups can be motivated by sheer intellectual dishonesty to deny it. At the same time I do not understand how people can outright lie to the world, if not themselves. --- An anthropophagus on Mars <cite>Heliogabalus posted [p:959856599] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>I understand it inasmuch as I can see why some groups can be motivated by sheer intellectual dishonesty to deny it. At the same time I do not understand how people can outright lie to the world, if not themselves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BobanMarjanovic 11/09/21 11:29:01 PM #2:	how many deniers are there? there can't be over 100, it's nothing to really lose sleep over --- Chief Keef > your favorite rapper <cite>BobanMarjanovic posted [p:959856637] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>how many deniers are there? there can't be over 100, it's nothing to really lose sleep over </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Homeless_Waifu 11/09/21 11:29:59 PM #3:	Ignorant people, that's all. They choose a bridge to die on and live their entire lives that way. No matter how much they know they're wrong, they refuse to budge because they cannot stand the idea that they are wrong/ignorant. --- The switch needs a good demolition derby game that's all I want!!! - started Feb. 2021 Ended Oct.31 2021 :0 <cite>Homeless_Waifu posted [p:959856657] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Ignorant people, that's all. They choose a bridge to die on and live their entire lives that way. No matter how much they know they're wrong, they refuse to budge because they cannot stand the idea that they are wrong/ignorant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/09/21 11:30:39 PM #4:	I never even understand what the gain would be from any "Big Lie" conspiracy theory. The logistics are always ridiculous too. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:959856681] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>I never even understand what the gain would be from any "Big Lie" conspiracy theory. The logistics are always ridiculous too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JBaLLEN66 11/09/21 11:34:00 PM #5:	BobanMarjanovic posted... how many deniers are there? there can't be over 100, it's nothing to really lose sleep over does op lose sleep? --- The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild is the worst Zelda Game by far. <cite>JBaLLEN66 posted [p:959856744] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>BobanMarjanovic posted... </cite> <quote>how many deniers are there? there can't be over 100, it's nothing to really lose sleep over</quote> does op lose sleep? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HairyQueen 11/09/21 11:45:48 PM #6:	BobanMarjanovic posted... how many deniers are there? there can't be over 100, it's nothing to really lose sleep over Dont pull numbers out of your ass like that. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47015184.amp Five per cent of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust took place and one in 12 believes its scale has been exaggerated, a survey has found. --- Good vibes only <cite>HairyQueen posted [p:959857006] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>BobanMarjanovic posted... </cite> <quote>how many deniers are there? there can't be over 100, it's nothing to really lose sleep over</quote>Dont pull numbers out of your ass like that. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47015184.amp Five per cent of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust took place and one in 12 believes its scale has been exaggerated, a survey has found. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
theAteam 11/09/21 11:48:39 PM #7:	People love the idea that everything's a conspiracy and only they are smart enough to sniff out the truth. --- Buffalo Bills Season Prediction: 13-4 Season: 5-3 Week 9: @ NYJ <cite>theAteam posted [p:959857065] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>People love the idea that everything's a conspiracy and only they are smart enough to sniff out the truth. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 11/09/21 11:52:12 PM #8:	They hate the Jews. They don't want them to get any sympathy. They want it to happen (again). True or not doesn't matter so much. It's like conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories are often about hating a certain group and making up a story to give you and others like you, a reason to hate them more.... and possibly act on it (you only need one person crazy enough to do it. Stochastic terrorism.) --- http://youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:959857126] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>They hate the Jews. They don't want them to get any sympathy. They want it to happen (again). True or not doesn't matter so much. It's like conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories are often about hating a certain group and making up a story to give you and others like you, a reason to hate them more.... and possibly act on it (you only need one person crazy enough to do it. Stochastic terrorism.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g0ldie 11/09/21 11:55:48 PM #9:	some of the more nefarious Holocaust denial conspiracy theories center around it being some kinda ploy by Jewish people to garner global sympathy, so that they can use it towards their end for some kinda domination. --- https://imgur.com/mApEnf3 <cite>g0ldie posted [p:959857202] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>some of the more nefarious Holocaust denial conspiracy theories center around it being some kinda ploy by Jewish people to garner global sympathy, so that they can use it towards their end for some kinda domination. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 11/09/21 11:56:39 PM #10:	They think that by denying the knowledge of the Holocaust, or questioning the numbers, they can soften people on the idea of committing another Holocaust. It is that simple. --- signature cannot be displayed on account of society <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:959857217] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>They think that by denying the knowledge of the Holocaust, or questioning the numbers, they can soften people on the idea of committing another Holocaust. It is that simple. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PC_Genjin 11/09/21 11:57:40 PM #11:	When I first found out about Holocaust deniers I thought it was just people who thought the Holocaust was too scary & sad to have really happened so they just don't want to think about it. Lmao --- https://imgur.com/itScBav <cite>PC_Genjin posted [p:959857232] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>When I first found out about Holocaust deniers I thought it was just people who thought the Holocaust was too scary & sad to have really happened so they just don't want to think about it. Lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 11/09/21 11:57:42 PM #12:	Heliogabalus posted... At the same time I do not understand how people can outright lie to the world, if not themselves. People do it all the time. Not just with the Holocaust. People put too much of their ego into their political beliefs, and dumb shit starts coming out. --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis <cite>Squall28 posted [p:959857233] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Heliogabalus posted... </cite> <quote>At the same time I do not understand how people can outright lie to the world, if not themselves.</quote> People do it all the time. Not just with the Holocaust. People put too much of their ego into their political beliefs, and dumb shit starts coming out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Verdekal 11/10/21 12:00:12 AM #13:	A lot of antisemites believe Jews wield a large amount of power and used the holocaust to garner sympathy or use it as a weapon to further their goals. Of course its illogical, bigotry is always illogical. --- Don't tease the octopus, kids! <cite>Verdekal posted [p:959857284] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>A lot of antisemites believe Jews wield a large amount of power and used the holocaust to garner sympathy or use it as a weapon to further their goals. Of course its illogical, bigotry is always illogical. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BobanMarjanovic 11/10/21 12:00:47 AM #14:	HairyQueen posted... Dont pull numbers out of your ass like that. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47015184.amp Five per cent of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust took place and one in 12 believes its scale has been exaggerated, a survey has found. That's like 3 million people, that's insane --- Chief Keef > your favorite rapper <cite>BobanMarjanovic posted [p:959857292] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>HairyQueen posted... </cite> <quote>Dont pull numbers out of your ass like that. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47015184.amp Five per cent of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust took place and one in 12 believes its scale has been exaggerated, a survey has found.</quote>That's like 3 million people, that's insane </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
St0rmFury 11/10/21 12:01:33 AM #15:	Imagine this, there are Sandy Hook deniers too. --- "Average Joe" is a trolling term since it's completely an opinion. "Overachieving" is also an opinion. - SBAllen (Hellhole: 52458377) <cite>St0rmFury posted [p:959857303] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Imagine this, there are Sandy Hook deniers too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JBaLLEN66 11/10/21 12:14:33 AM #16:	theAteam posted... People love the idea that everything's a conspiracy and only they are smart enough to sniff out the truth. --- The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild is the worst Zelda Game by far. <cite>JBaLLEN66 posted [p:959857551] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>theAteam posted... </cite> <quote>People love the idea that everything's a conspiracy and only they are smart enough to sniff out the truth.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Proto_Spark 11/10/21 12:21:30 AM #17:	HairyQueen posted... Dont pull numbers out of your ass like that. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47015184.amp Five per cent of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust took place and one in 12 believes its scale has been exaggerated, a survey has found. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/survey-finds-shocking-lack-holocaust-knowledge-among-millennials-gen-z-n1240031 There's also this one for 18-34 years olds in the US, though it has some pretty big claims, like 63% didn't know 6 million jews died, over1/2 thinking the number was closer to 2 million, and over 10% of respondents saying they had never even heard the word "holocaust" before. Or 22% of people thinking the holocaust was a WWI thing, not a WWII thing. And 10% of the people surveyed said they either didn't think the holocaust happened, or weren't sure if it did or not. <cite>Proto_Spark posted [p:959857686] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>HairyQueen posted... </cite> <quote>Dont pull numbers out of your ass like that. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47015184.amp Five per cent of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust took place and one in 12 believes its scale has been exaggerated, a survey has found.</quote> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/survey-finds-shocking-lack-holocaust-knowledge-among-millennials-gen-z-n1240031 There's also this one for 18-34 years olds in the US, though it has some pretty big claims, like 63% didn't know 6 million jews died, over1/2 thinking the number was closer to 2 million, and over 10% of respondents saying they had never even heard the word "holocaust" before. Or 22% of people thinking the holocaust was a WWI thing, not a WWII thing. And 10% of the people surveyed said they either didn't think the holocaust happened, or weren't sure if it did or not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rayman2943 11/10/21 12:28:41 AM #18:	Not knowing the 6 million number in itself isn't denial unless you intentionally lower the number. But yeah those stats arent good <cite>Rayman2943 posted [p:959857787] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Not knowing the 6 million number in itself isn't denial unless you intentionally lower the number. But yeah those stats arent good </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Eko 11/10/21 12:32:12 AM #19:	https://theculturetrip.com/europe/finland/articles/does-finland-exist-many-dont-think-so/ --- P S N : TheEko <cite>The Eko posted [p:959857832] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>https://theculturetrip.com/europe/finland/articles/does-finland-exist-many-dont-think-so/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 11/10/21 12:33:00 AM #20:	Heliogabalus posted... I understand it inasmuch as I can see why some groups can be motivated by sheer intellectual dishonesty to deny it. At the same time I do not understand how people can outright lie to the world, if not themselves. What you seem to be talking about are people who know it happened but try to tell others that it didn't. I believe a denier actually believes it didn't happen though. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:959857844] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Heliogabalus posted... </cite> <quote>I understand it inasmuch as I can see why some groups can be motivated by sheer intellectual dishonesty to deny it. At the same time I do not understand how people can outright lie to the world, if not themselves.</quote> What you seem to be talking about are people who know it happened but try to tell others that it didn't. I believe a denier actually believes it didn't happen though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Proto_Spark 11/10/21 12:36:49 AM #21:	Rayman2943 posted... Not knowing the 6 million number in itself isn't denial unless you intentionally lower the number. But yeah those stats arent good True, I think the 63% of people not knowing that might be more of a question of the sample taken rather than suggesting there's a lot of holocaust denial - just to put a little asterisk on the whole study since a number like that seems a little sus. <cite>Proto_Spark posted [p:959857912] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Rayman2943 posted... </cite> <quote>Not knowing the 6 million number in itself isn't denial unless you intentionally lower the number. But yeah those stats arent good</quote> True, I think the 63% of people not knowing that might be more of a question of the sample taken rather than suggesting there's a lot of holocaust denial - just to put a little asterisk on the whole study since a number like that seems a little sus. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heliogabalus 11/10/21 5:30:32 PM #22:	JBaLLEN66 posted... does op lose sleep? I wouldnt say I lose sleep over it, but it does piss me off. A few years back a friend of a friend was trying to convince me that no Jewish people were killed in 9/11 and it makes you think. He moved on from that to trying to say the Holocaust was totally exaggerated. I asked my friend not to bring the moron to drinks again. --- An anthropophagus on Mars <cite>Heliogabalus posted [p:959878645] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>JBaLLEN66 posted... </cite> <quote>does op lose sleep?</quote>I wouldnt say I lose sleep over it, but it does piss me off. A few years back a friend of a friend was trying to convince me that no Jewish people were killed in 9/11 and it makes you think. He moved on from that to trying to say the Holocaust was totally exaggerated. I asked my friend not to bring the moron to drinks again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Big_Nabendu 11/10/21 5:33:02 PM #23:	Hmmm I tagged some antisemites on ce and what do you know. They seem to avoid this topic. Don't even see the mod I tagged either. --- The embrace of the Dark is gentle. Let it absorb your sorrows, forever. \[T]/ Owner of the 500 board and Leader of sunbro board GT Nabendu <cite>Big_Nabendu posted [p:959878723] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Hmmm I tagged some antisemites on ce and what do you know. They seem to avoid this topic. Don't even see the mod I tagged either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heliogabalus 11/10/21 6:02:09 PM #24:	Big_Nabendu posted... Hmmm I tagged some antisemites on ce and what do you know. They seem to avoid this topic. Don't even see the mod I tagged either. Are you surprised? --- An anthropophagus on Mars <cite>Heliogabalus posted [p:959879598] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Big_Nabendu posted... </cite> <quote>Hmmm I tagged some antisemites on ce and what do you know. They seem to avoid this topic. Don't even see the mod I tagged either.</quote>Are you surprised? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 11/10/21 6:05:21 PM #25:	Big_Nabendu posted... Hmmm I tagged some antisemites on ce and what do you know. They seem to avoid this topic. Don't even see the mod I tagged either. I remember said topic with said mod, it got locked snd that was it lol. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:959879694] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Big_Nabendu posted... </cite> <quote>Hmmm I tagged some antisemites on ce and what do you know. They seem to avoid this topic. Don't even see the mod I tagged either.</quote> I remember said topic with said mod, it got locked snd that was it lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 11/10/21 6:13:25 PM #27:	Big_Nabendu posted... Hmmm I tagged some antisemites on ce and what do you know. They seem to avoid this topic. Don't even see the mod I tagged either. I mean, we have a holocaust denier in the topic already. We have a few of them on CE, as well as a handful of deniers of other genocides. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:959879906] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Big_Nabendu posted...</cite> <quote>Hmmm I tagged some antisemites on ce and what do you know. They seem to avoid this topic. Don't even see the mod I tagged either. </quote> I mean, we have a holocaust denier in the topic already. We have a few of them on CE, as well as a handful of deniers of other genocides.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BB mofo 11/10/21 6:21:44 PM #28:	Holocaust denial in the US began with father of the neo-nazi movement George Lincoln Rockwell. He was a WW2 veteran in the European theater who had actually witnessed a death camp being liberated. However, he denied it had happened through a letter in a gentlemen's magazine of all places. He even made up fake sources to back himself up so that he sounded knowledgeable. In later correspondences with other antisemites, he admitted that his reason for spreading misinformation was that society was turning against antisemitism precisely due to the horrors of the Holocaust. I'd advise you to look for the episode about him on the podcast "Behind the Bastard". A lot of techniques the alt-right use today came from Rockwell. For example, things like Ben Shapiro debating inexperienced college students on campuses to bolster right-wing concepts like race-realism in the public eye. --- "But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?" -Mark Twain <cite>BB mofo posted [p:959880176] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Holocaust denial in the US began with father of the neo-nazi movement George Lincoln Rockwell. He was a WW2 veteran in the European theater who had actually witnessed a death camp being liberated. However, he denied it had happened through a letter in a gentlemen's magazine of all places. He even made up fake sources to back himself up so that he sounded knowledgeable. In later correspondences with other antisemites, he admitted that his reason for spreading misinformation was that society was turning against antisemitism precisely due to the horrors of the Holocaust. I'd advise you to look for the episode about him on the podcast "Behind the Bastard". A lot of techniques the alt-right use today came from Rockwell. For example, things like Ben Shapiro debating inexperienced college students on campuses to bolster right-wing concepts like race-realism in the public eye. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Joeydollaz 11/10/21 6:25:40 PM #29:	The enemy team was bad --- PERSONA 6 will NOT be Turn Based, Feb-25th 2021 <cite>Joeydollaz posted [p:959880297] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>The enemy team was bad </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 11/10/21 6:33:13 PM #30:	Joeydollaz posted... The enemy team was bad WTF? @Joeydollaz --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:959880541] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Joeydollaz posted... </cite> <quote>The enemy team was bad</quote> WTF? @Joeydollaz </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sheiky-Baby 11/10/21 6:36:10 PM #31:	Half of those deniers are trolling. The other half can't even tie their own shoes. --- That wasn't a lobster that poisoned you, you swallowed your own venom. <cite>Sheiky-Baby posted [p:959880644] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Half of those deniers are trolling. The other half can't even tie their own shoes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heliogabalus 11/11/21 1:44:06 AM #32:	Joeydollaz posted... The enemy team was bad What the hell does this even mean? --- The world is a worse place now than it ever was before, but far better than it ever will be again. <cite>Heliogabalus posted [p:959891125] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Joeydollaz posted... </cite> <quote>The enemy team was bad</quote>What the hell does this even mean? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 11/11/21 1:46:33 AM #33:	Being part of an "inside secret" makes dumb people feel smart and significant. Having a target gives them a boogeyman, upon which they lay blame for things they cannot parse. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:959891154] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Being part of an "inside secret" makes dumb people feel smart and significant. Having a target gives them a boogeyman, upon which they lay blame for things they cannot parse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 11/11/21 1:57:20 AM #34:	I'm shocked joenumbers is in here defending "the right kind" of holocaust denial. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:959891285] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>I'm shocked joenumbers is in here defending "the right kind" of holocaust denial. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 11/11/21 4:39:15 AM #35:	spikethedevil posted... WTF? @Joeydollaz --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:959893162] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>spikethedevil posted... </cite> <quote>WTF? @Joeydollaz</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StickFigures720 11/11/21 5:36:15 AM #36:	It's easy to deny things you never witnessed or experienced when you think the world revolves around you. <cite>StickFigures720 posted [p:959893616] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>It's easy to deny things you never witnessed or experienced when you think the world revolves around you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 11/11/21 5:44:23 AM #37:	Big_Nabendu posted... Hmmm I tagged some antisemites on ce and what do you know. They seem to avoid this topic. Don't even see the mod I tagged either. Jballen is here --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:959893690] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Big_Nabendu posted... </cite> <quote>Hmmm I tagged some antisemites on ce and what do you know. They seem to avoid this topic. Don't even see the mod I tagged either.</quote>Jballen is here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrMallard 11/11/21 6:25:28 AM #39:	Republicans: holocaust numbers are overexaggerated and based on estimates and we can't justify such a concerted effort in commemorating the fallen Jews and gays and disableds if the data is faulty Also Republicans: THE LEFT WANT TO INJECT US WITH STRANGE CHEMICALS!!! KRISTELNACHT!! WEIMAR!! WARSAW!!! --- Thought I saw a mouse kicking in your beak, it was only a skeleton Now Playing: Persona 3 FES, Minecraft, Oldschool Runescape <cite>MrMallard posted [p:959894074] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Republicans: holocaust numbers are overexaggerated and based on estimates and we can't justify such a concerted effort in commemorating the fallen Jews and gays and disableds if the data is faulty Also Republicans: THE LEFT WANT TO INJECT US WITH STRANGE CHEMICALS!!! KRISTELNACHT!! WEIMAR!! WARSAW!!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 11/11/21 6:53:07 AM #40:	shockthemonkey posted... Wait what? He's saying it's not real holocaust denial if the person doing so knows they're lying. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:959894370] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>Wait what?</quote>He's saying it's not real holocaust denial if the person doing so knows they're lying. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JBaLLEN66 11/11/21 7:04:54 AM #41:	Why doesnt op fight them --- The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild is the worst Zelda Game by far. <cite>JBaLLEN66 posted [p:959894543] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Why doesnt op fight them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 11/11/21 7:14:19 AM #42:	DeadBankerDream posted... He's saying it's not real holocaust denial if the person doing so knows they're lying. People are able to read what I actually wrote. I find your attempts to reframe what I said to be misleading. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:959894676] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>DeadBankerDream posted... </cite> <quote>He's saying it's not real holocaust denial if the person doing so knows they're lying.</quote> People are able to read what I actually wrote. I find your attempts to reframe what I said to be misleading. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 11/11/21 7:23:00 AM #43:	joe40001 posted... I believe a denier actually believes it didn't happen though. DeadBankerDream posted... He's saying it's not real holocaust denial if the person doing so knows they're lying. What did I reframe? --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:959894791] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>I believe a denier actually believes it didn't happen though.</quote> DeadBankerDream posted... </cite> <quote>He's saying it's not real holocaust denial if the person doing so knows they're lying.</quote>What did I reframe? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lorenzo_2003 11/11/21 4:58:51 PM #45:	Holocaust deniers dont make sense to me, although I dont know any in real life. Does that make me lucky because I dont have to deal with their crap? --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:959910075] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Holocaust deniers dont make sense to me, although I dont know any in real life. Does that make me lucky because I dont have to deal with their crap? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heliogabalus 11/11/21 7:40:29 PM #46:	JBaLLEN66 posted... Why doesnt op fight them Im not really a fan of violence. Considering my grandfathers family was wiped out in the Holocaust, Id say that anyone whos a Holocaust denier is a fucking moron, though :) --- The world is a worse place now than it ever was before, but far better than it ever will be again. <cite>Heliogabalus posted [p:959914622] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>JBaLLEN66 posted... </cite> <quote>Why doesnt op fight them</quote>Im not really a fan of violence. Considering my grandfathers family was wiped out in the Holocaust, Id say that anyone whos a Holocaust denier is a fucking moron, though :) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 11/12/21 1:26:14 AM #47:	DeadBankerDream posted... What did I reframe? There's a subtle but important difference in your framing, what you said: He's saying it's not real holocaust denial if the person doing so knows they're lying. This (unlike what I said) supposes that such a group of people exists. My statement made no such assumption. Secondly, you are somewhat playing a connotation game. We know the following connotations are true: Holocaust denier = bad thing So by reframing what I said as "A person who knows the holocaust happened but says it didn't anyway isn't a real holocaust denier" The connotation of that framing is: "A person who knows the holocaust happened but says it didn't anyway isn't a real [bad thing]" Obviously such a person would generally be a bad person, but by highlighting how I am making a semantic distinction, your framing can go to imply I am somehow "defending" such behavior, which I obviously wasn't. So hopefully that answers your question. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:959923146] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>DeadBankerDream posted... </cite> <quote>What did I reframe?</quote> There's a subtle but important difference in your framing, what you said: He's saying it's not real holocaust denial if the person doing so knows they're lying. This (unlike what I said) supposes that such a group of people exists. My statement made no such assumption. Secondly, you are somewhat playing a connotation game. We know the following connotations are true: Holocaust denier = bad thing So by reframing what I said as "A person who knows the holocaust happened but says it didn't anyway isn't a real holocaust denier" The connotation of that framing is: "A person who knows the holocaust happened but says it didn't anyway isn't a real [bad thing]" Obviously such a person would generally be a bad person, but by highlighting how I am making a semantic distinction, your framing can go to imply I am somehow "defending" such behavior, which I obviously wasn't. So hopefully that answers your question. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 11/12/21 1:38:15 AM #48:	If you need to write a dictionary to explain how I reframed your singular sentence, I probably didn't. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:959923317] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>If you need to write a dictionary to explain how I reframed your singular sentence, I probably didn't. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 11/12/21 2:32:14 AM #49:	DeadBankerDream posted... If you need to write a dictionary to explain how I reframed your singular sentence, I probably didn't. That's how those kind of rhetorical tricks work. They are nuanced, they require detailed unpacking, that many don't bother doing. I will say it's a bit disingenuous on your part to ask for clarification and then use the thoroughness of the clarification as evidence against it's own merit. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:959924077] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>DeadBankerDream posted... </cite> <quote>If you need to write a dictionary to explain how I reframed your singular sentence, I probably didn't.</quote> That's how those kind of rhetorical tricks work. They are nuanced, they require detailed unpacking, that many don't bother doing. I will say it's a bit disingenuous on your part to ask for clarification and then use the thoroughness of the clarification as evidence against it's own merit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
toyota 11/12/21 2:34:47 AM #50:	Do you mean the jackasses who claim it never happened at all? Or the people who are just investigating the numbers? Because they both seem to get lumped as being holocaust deniers <cite>toyota posted [p:959924111] in I don't un... [t:79752010]...</cite> <quote>Do you mean the jackasses who claim it never happened at all? Or the people who are just investigating the numbers? Because they both seem to get lumped as being holocaust deniers </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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