Current Events > C/D - If you spank your kids, or even believe in it, you're a POS

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The Wheelman1 posted...

If you tell kids nicely, they will ignore or mock you.
If you yell at them, you are being mean to them.
If you spank them, it's child abuse.

Wtf are we supposed to do then?

Let them do whatever they want, duh.

Those parents that let their screaming kids loose on a crowded airplane without a care in the world? They've already mastered this skill.

Anyone who says Spanking their children is wrong has to be white. Go ahead and mod this post.

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donkeyjack posted...

Better be careful. Everyone will call you names for pointing out the obvious. Or jump in with their anecdotes to the exception.

Spanking is a thing in nearly every minority culture. But the great white people have deemed it savage and uncivilized, as usual.

People also love bringing up studies as if they account for all factors.

I wouldnt even have much issue with this particular debate if folks wouldnt immediately go the if you spank youre a PoS route. I question if they know spanking doesnt mean boxing your child.


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As long as you aren't doing it to take out your anger and frustration on kids.

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Deny.

Spanking a child doesn't mean beating.

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https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/125/5/e1057
Children spanked at age 3 have a higher risk of being more aggressive at age 5.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/132/5/e1118
Children age 5 have a higher chance of externalizing behaviors when spanked (stuff like getting physical, running away from home, acting impuslively on bad behaviors, etc...)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0145213418304095
Spanked children are more likely to have a worse socioeconomic development then children who were not spanked.

https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/cdep.12038
An analysis of studies making a case against spanking: spanking does not help build long term compliance from parents and, surprise, linked with aggression once more.

The science says no, don't spank your children even in only moderate amounts... If you think you can't raise a child without hitting them, then don't have a child

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weekoldhotdog posted...

Screw that, without laws I'd be a Raider Mad-Max or Fallout style.

Yeah probably because you got spanked as a child

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Spanking is not child abuse. It's called discipline. It teaches kids that disobeying your parents will have consequences. Not punishing kids actually promotes bad behavior because the child can do what he/she wants without fear of getting spanked.

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weekoldhotdog posted...

beating your kids is wrong
spanking your kids is reasonable
the fear of spanking should be enough for any child to behave.
every parent is different, using corporal punishment as an excuse to release stress or anger is not.

If this moment exists, why are we still having the conversation? Sure, there are other ways that may work, have worked, but don't conflate smacking a child's hand away from the stove with abuse.

Imagine if we were trying to hardline bodily autonomy this way, no one would say shit about anti mask or anti vaxx or pro abortion

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The Wheelman1 posted...

Spanking is not child abuse. It's called discipline. It teaches kids that disobeying your parents will have consequences.

Demonstrably wrong on all counts.

The Wheelman1 posted...

Not punishing kids actually promotes bad behavior because the child can do what he/she wants without fear of getting spanked.

Good thing no one is advocating not punishing children when they do wrong.

good topic TC

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The Wheelman1 posted...

Spanking is not child abuse. It's called discipline. It teaches kids that disobeying your parents will have consequences. Not punishing kids actually promotes bad behavior because the child can do what he/she wants without fear of getting spanked.

Personally I think your wording is off a bit.
You shouldnt be disciplined for disobeying your parents. Outright being rude or doing bad things? Then yea. But just Disobeying your parents doesnt deserve discipline. Theres no telling if the parent is in the wrong.

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cadcrafter posted...

The science says no, don't spank your children even in only moderate amounts... If you think you can't raise a child without hitting them, then don't have a child

No you're just being highly dramatic. Humans have existed for thousands of years, plenty who are great people who were indeed spanked as a child.

Some here are having a hard time differentiating a reasonable spanking to straight up beating the shit out of your child like some drunk parent or something to release stress or anger.

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Agreed. I mean its been illegal in Sweden since -79

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Good thing no one is advocating not punishing children when they do wrong.

The issue is that almost everyone I see outcrying against spanking either suggests no alternative, or suggests ridiculously lame "punishments" that aren't going to deter any sort of bad behavior. I would know; I was a kid once.

I'm not saying they don't exist; some people are a lot cleverer than others, at least when it comes to devising punishments. But when people just say "don't do this" and also don't say what to do instead, it's going to be a lot less effective at changing anyone's disciplinary tactics.

I got spanked as a child and I came out as a perfectly normal adult.....well normal enough lol. That said, I don't condone spanking.

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Philip027 posted...

The issue is that almost everyone I see outcrying against spanking either suggests no alternative, or suggests ridiculously lame "punishments" that aren't going to deter any sort of bad behavior. I would know; I was a kid once.

I'm not saying they don't exist; some people are a lot cleverer than others, at least when it comes to devising punishments. But when people just say "don't do this" and also don't say what to do instead, it's going to be a lot less effective at changing anyone's disciplinary tactics.

On top of what you said, Id like to also add that they come back with over the top rebuttals like implying all spanking are done by parents needing to release steam. That or some other similar stance that alludes to an abusive parent getting their jollies

When they do suggest something, they act like what worked for one child works for them all.

It's fine if you don't want to spank your children, but do realize it's been around for literally centuries. Not everyone who received spankings grew up to be damaged, nor is anyone suggesting to beat children.

asdf8562 posted...

but do realize it's been around for literally centuries

So has slavery

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Bad_Mojo posted...

So has slavery

Actually comparing spanking to slavery....

asdf8562 posted...

Actually comparing spanking to slavery.

• Work for free
• Hit 'em when bad
• Control where they can and can't go
• What they can and can't do
• What they can and can't eat
• Hit 'em when bad

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You are actually trying to compare "hit them when bad" to how slaves were treated as opposed to parents who spanked their children. None of the shit you listed actually compares to parents who spanked their kids without beating the tar out of them.

Thanks TC for making it clear this isn't a serious topic, or at the very least not to take you seriously.

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I take it very seriously. Anyone that thinks hitting a kid for any reason is a terrible person. I haven't read the entire topic, so I haven't noticed what your actual take is. I'll go back and read your previous comments and make a better judgement of you.

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Bad_Mojo posted...

* Work for free
* Hit 'em when bad
* Control where they can and can't go
* What they can and can't do
* What they can and can't eat
* Hit 'em when bad

Holy shit... No, just no. Not even remotely the same.

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Bad_Mojo posted...

I take it very seriously. Anyone that thinks hitting a kid for any reason is a terrible person. I haven't read the entire topic, so I haven't noticed what your actual take is. I'll go back and read your previous comments and make a better judgement of you.

There's a joke I want to make here about your past...but I won't

I, most of all, don't care what you think about me and over half of the people replying to this topic agreed that disciplining your children with a spanking isn't unreasonable if done properly.

Hope I didn't hurt your bottom on that one


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Bad_Mojo posted...

* Work for free
* Hit 'em when bad
* Control where they can and can't go
* What they can and can't do
* What they can and can't eat
* Hit 'em when bad

What.

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The most effective way of discipline that worked on me as a kid was taking stuff I liked away until I improved my behavior. Idk why this is so complex for people
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One_Day_Remains posted...

The most effective way of discipline that worked on me as a kid was taking stuff I liked away until I improved my behavior. Idk why this is so complex for people

Honestly, yelling at me was enough. Though Id rather not go into the details, I hated people yelling at me a lot. Id always give sarcastic answers back to make it seem as if I didnt care, but geez, it stressed me out so much. I think I would have prefer a Spanking. Even if there isnt a chance in hell Id let anyone do such a thing to me.

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I, too, have opinions that I like to force on people and be judgemental when they don't agree with me.

No seriously, I do.

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Honestly, yelling at me was enough. Though Id rather not go into the details, I hated people yelling at me a lot.

abuse can just as easily be verbal. sorry to hear about that.

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I got swatted until elementary school then they just took away privileges.

FYI, the majority of this country thinks you were raised wrong if you're still playing video games past age 24 or so.

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Bad_Mojo posted...

* Work for free
* Hit 'em when bad
* Control where they can and can't go
* What they can and can't do
* What they can and can't eat
* Hit 'em when bad

This is so fucking embarrassing

Sphyx posted...

I, too, have opinions that I like to force on people and be judgemental when they don't agree with me.

No seriously, I do.

Why are you framing it that way like a stance about literal child abuse is tantamount to a condiment preference for a cheeseburger
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You might want to read the bottom line.

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Or the bottom line gets red
from the wooden spoon

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greyfox747 posted...

This is so fucking embarrassing

it was a bad take. Was just being snarky and didnt come off like that.

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Bad_Mojo posted...

it was a bad take. Was just being snarky and didnt come off like that.

You were dead serious with that bad take.

t5yvxc posted...

You were dead serious with that bad take.

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Deny.

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