Current Events > C/D - If you spank your kids, or even believe in it, you're a POS

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weekoldhotdog posted...

Also: bad analogy, spanking a child will not net you a felony assault in any of the 50 states.

also to BloodMoon7's statement: I plead the 5th

Tagged as involuntarily innocent. Incent, if you will.



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BloodMoon7 posted...

Tagged as involuntarily innocent. Incent, if you will.

lol okay, you just coined a new catch phrase just for me

Thanks for labeling people. That's not a terrible thing to do, is it?

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weekoldhotdog posted...

lol okay, you just coined a new catch phrase just for me

Thanks for labeling people. That's not a terrible thing to do, is it?

If it quacks like a duck, and fucks other ducks.

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BloodMoon7 posted...

That sounds like a problem. You should obey laws because you are civilized and educated about why the law is there, not because you're afraid. If you're afraid of the law, it defeats the purpose, laws are there for your safety.

Making people fear the punishment is exactly how law enforcement works. Break a law? Pay a fine/sit in jail.

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NoxObscuras posted...

Making people fear the punishment is exactly how law enforcement works. Break a law? Pay a fine/sit in jail.

shhh, he thinks he's onto a new concept here "involuntarily innocent" lmfao

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Spanking was the least of what I endured as a child, and my mental health is fucked up for life because of it, so C.

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I won't spank my kids. I'll use the methods taught to me by my father. Very creative methods. I'll let my kid have a tv/consoles in his bedroom. When he doesn't clean his room, I'll turn off the power to his bedroom, put a bolt lock on the power breaker, hand him a lantern and tell him that he can get the power back after he is done cleaning his room.

If they don't come home before curfue I'll have a tent set up in the back yard, because they aren't coming into the house as it will be locked. If I catch my daughter with a boy I'll wait until they are both asleep and then put the hose to them.

It's all about creativity. No need for violence.

NoxObscuras posted...

Making people fear the punishment is exactly how law enforcement works. Break a law? Pay a fine/sit in jail.

Most people aren't actually consciously afraid of breaking the law. They just understand why the law is there and what the consequence for breaking it is and so they follow it. But if tomorrow, laws stop mattering? Most people wouldn't immediately start killing their neighbours, because it isn't actually the law that holds people back. The law is there for the people's safety because admittedly, there are some who would otherwise commit heinous acts. Such as ol sausage man up there having an apparent desire to hop into a truck and raid the villages.

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The best punishment, hands down is embarrisment. In arkansas, when I was growing up, if you got caught stealing from Wal-Mart, the judge would sentence you, on top of the normal probation and fines, an alternative to going to jail: Standing outside the store you shop lifted from holding a white sign that read front and back "I stole "______" valued at "______" from this store" for a set duration of hours (like 60). If this happened more often, there'd be less crime in this world.

I apply this concept to many lessons I teach. Standing you in the corner while singing made up songs about why you shouldn't do what you just did for hours will do WONDERS on a child

I got this idea from a cop that played "baby shark" to 4 in mates for 5 hours straight as a punishment, then got sued by them for torture and psychological punishment.

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BloodMoon7 posted...

Most people aren't actually consciously afraid of breaking the law. They just understand why the law is there and what the consequence for breaking it is and so they follow it. But if tomorrow, laws stop mattering? Most people wouldn't immediately start killing their neighbours, because it isn't actually the law that holds people back. The law is there for the people's safety because admittedly, there are some who would otherwise commit heinous acts. Such as ol sausage man up there having an apparent desire to hop into a truck and raid the villages.

CE knows I'm in love with the idea of cannibalism. I'm not allowed to defend it on CE, tho. Just know I'd bring the Kahn back in in style.

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if you spank kids for regular kid shit, c. like running/yelling in the house, clean your room, not doing your homework type stuff. pretty crazy how people convince themselves that it's okay to cause pain/terror to people that don't have fully developed brains and are completely defenseless because they did a thing we didn't like.

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weekoldhotdog posted...

CE knows I'm in love with the idea of cannibalism. I'm not allowed to defend it on CE, tho. Just know I'd bring the Kahn back in in style.

Case in point. The law is here to protect you from man eating sausages. But if the law against man eating sausages stopped mattering, I guaranteed you that you'd only see one around.

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weekoldhotdog posted...

Also: bad analogy, spanking a child will not net you a felony assault in any of the 50 states.

also to BloodMoon7's statement: I plead the 5th

Societal hypocrisy doesn't make it a bad analogy. If I can't hit an adult for making a mistake, then I sure as shit shouldn't be able to hit my kids. It's like saying we shouldn't mutilate a child's body, but circumcision is necessary.

I have had troubles with reacting to things violently. It took me a long time to get it under some sense of control and it's absolutely because of me being hit as a child.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

Societal hypocrisy doesn't make it a bad analogy. If I can't hit an adult for making a mistake, then I sure as shit shouldn't be able to hit my kids. It's like saying we shouldn't mutilate a child's body, but circumcision is necessary.

I have had troubles with reacting to things violently. It took me a long time to get it under some sense of control and it's absolutely because of me being hit as a child.

Same tbh. I used to be pretty violent despite *gasp* it being unlawful. Thinking back, I should be grateful I never snapped, those were some dark times for me.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

Societal hypocrisy doesn't make it a bad analogy. If I can't hit an adult for making a mistake, then I sure as shit shouldn't be able to hit my kids. It's like saying we shouldn't mutilate a child's body, but circumcision is necessary.

I have had troubles with reacting to things violently. It took me a long time to get it under some sense of control and it's absolutely because of me being hit as a child.

That's horrible and I'm sorry that was even a thing. But if you one day find yourself a parent and your child, smart as they may be, begins to understand that you can't really do anything to them, they begin to get the upper hand at all times and at that point, a power struggle ensues. The dynamics of the house hold shifts when a child thinks they are above their parents, and even worse, that they can call DHS any time they feel like they don't like what mom and dad does. This kind of child can turn into an adult that doesn't do as they're told (by the people that are supposed to tell us how to behave) and therefore when their freedoms are compromised (jail time) they may find themselves over reacting to the situation (being aggressive or dramatic, or both) and thus finding themselves in solitary confinement and with worse charges added to their docket.

The same people throw tremendous fits at fast food when service isn't fast enough. Or throw fights to arresting officers when they are clearly driving intoxicated. I could literally go on about the type of adults that were obviously never spanked as children.

The best way is a little bit of both ways. The tough love was too tough and the soft love is too soft.

This isn't porridge, but I'd be damned if they don't have a lot in common.

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BloodMoon7 posted...

Same tbh. I used to be pretty violent despite *gasp* it being unlawful. Thinking back, I should be grateful I never snapped, those were some dark times for me.

I snapped all the time in high school. Thankfully, it was a private school and most kids just thought it was funny because I wasn't actually strong enough to kick their asses. Faculty thought I was somewhere from brave to hilarious. I'm both grateful and not that no one ever told my parents at the time.

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c, my parents did not stop beating us until i was a teenager when cps finally got involved. hitting a smaller weaker person that you are responsible for cause you dont like what theyre doing makes you evil full stop

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Ivany2008 posted...

I'll use the methods taught to me by my father.

The most important lesson I ever learned from my father was one that he didn't actually learn himself, and I learned from the fact that he didn't...

remain childless indefinitely.

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I could literally go on about the type of adults that were obviously never spanked as children.

strawmen are free. my sister was the worst person in the world and she was spanked as punishment. look, i did what you did with less words.

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BloodMoon7 posted...

Most people aren't actually consciously afraid of breaking the law. They just understand why the law is there and what the consequence for breaking it is and so they follow it. But if tomorrow, laws stop mattering? Most people wouldn't immediately start killing their neighbours, because it isn't actually the law that holds people back. The law is there for the people's safety because admittedly, there are some who would otherwise commit heinous acts. Such as ol sausage man up there having an apparent desire to hop into a truck and raid the villages.

I just think it's a weird comparison. And no, people wouldn't immediately go to murder, that's 0-100. But we've seen how "petty theft is no longer a criminal offense" has gone for places like Walgreens. Laws are stopping a lot of things from happening. And if there was suddenly no speed limit tomorrow, I guarantee you that tons of people would be flying down the street.

That said, me taking issue with your comparisons is in no way condoning abusing children. My son is 6. I've never spanked him, but he does fear me. Not because I will hurt him, but because there are consequences (like taking away the TV or games) if he does things he's not supposed to do.

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Fluttershy posted...

I could literally go on about the type of adults that were obviously never spanked as children.

strawmen are free. my sister was the worst person in the world and she was spanked as punishment. look, i did what you did with less words.

you also boink stuffed ponys when you're not online, so....

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weekoldhotdog posted...

That's horrible and I'm sorry that was even a thing. But if you one day find yourself a parent and your child, smart as they may be, begins to understand that you can't really do anything to them, they begin to get the upper hand at all times and at that point, a power struggle ensues. The dynamics of the house hold shifts when a child thinks they are above their parents, and even worse, that they can call DHS any time they feel like they don't like what mom and dad does. This kind of child can turn into an adult that doesn't do as they're told (by the people that are supposed to tell us how to behave) and therefore when their freedoms are compromised (jail time) they may find themselves over reacting to the situation (being aggressive or dramatic, or both) and thus finding themselves in solitary confinement and with worse charges added to their docket.

The same people throw tremendous fits at fast food when service isn't fast enough. Or throw fights to arresting officers when they are clearly driving intoxicated. I could literally go on about the type of adults that were obviously never spanked as children.

The best way is a little bit of both ways. The tough love was too tough and the soft love is too soft.

This isn't porridge, but I'd be damned if they don't have a lot in common.

They could also get spanked and be viewed as fuckups instead of anyone looking into why they keep not learning their lesson. Or, in extreme situations, they just turn into violent criminals. I've never read about a serial killer or mass murderer who was spoiled rotten by overly friendly parents.

Also, if a kid is smart enough to start a power struggle, how is spanking them going to scare them straight? Sounds like they have already been raised to be devious fuckers and they'll just dial the phone the moment you smack them around. I don't know if saying we kids need to be spanked to wipe away that smugness is a great argument. They likely aren't doing much that is actually destructive.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

They could also get spanked and be viewed as fuckups instead of anyone looking into why they keep not learning their lesson. Or, in extreme situations, they just turn into violent criminals. I've never read about a serial killer or mass murderer who was spoiled rotten by overly friendly parents.

Also, if a kid is smart enough to start a power struggle, how is spanking them going to scare them straight? Sounds like they have already been raised to be devious fuckers and they'll just dial the phone the moment you smack them around. I don't know if saying we kids need to be spanked to wipe away that smugness is a great argument. They likely aren't doing much that is actually destructive.

No, the unspanked go on to become the rich predators that don't take no for an answer...

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

They could also get spanked and be viewed as fuckups instead of anyone looking into why they keep not learning their lesson. Or, in extreme situations, they just turn into violent criminals. I've never read about a serial killer or mass murderer who was spoiled rotten by overly friendly parents.

Also, if a kid is smart enough to start a power struggle, how is spanking them going to scare them straight? Sounds like they have already been raised to be devious fuckers and they'll just dial the phone the moment you smack them around. I don't know if saying we kids need to be spanked to wipe away that smugness is a great argument. They likely aren't doing much that is actually destructive.

The child you're describing has never been spanked in their life and also doesn't fear the parent. You can't spank a child that refuses to be spanked. They have to submit to the spanking, forcing the spanking falls into the "beating" category.

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weekoldhotdog posted...

No, the unspanked go on to become the rich predators that don't take no for an answer...

Or they just become adults.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

Or they just become adults.

We're talking about children that need to be punished, not good children that have no reason to be spanked, right?

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you also boink stuffed ponys when you're not online, so....

kinda sounds like i hit a nerve there. maybe don't be so full of shit in the future, yeah?

No, the unspanked go on to become the rich predators that don't take no for an answer...

source: weekoldhotdog (gamefaqs.com)

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Fluttershy posted...

you also boink stuffed ponys when you're not online, so....

kinda sounds like i hit a nerve there. maybe don't be so full of shit in the future, yeah?

Not even, I just don't and won't take you seriously. Stay Golden ______

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i mean, you obviously took me seriously enough to get angry and throw an insult my way. lol @ you. but either way is fine with me -- just don't try to bullshit. it's insulting to the intelligence of everyone who has to read it. thanks.

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Fluttershy posted...

i mean, you obviously took me seriously enough to get angry and throw an insult my way. lol @ you. but either way is fine with me -- just don't try to bullshit. it's insulting to the intelligence of everyone who has to read it. thanks.

Funny, I didn't mean it as an insult so much as a sarcastic dig at your not-so-secret fetish, but if you want to be insulted by it, that's on you buddy :D

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weekoldhotdog posted...

The child you're describing has never been spanked in their life and also doesn't fear the parent. You can't spank a child that refuses to be spanked. They have to submit to the spanking, forcing the spanking falls into the "beating" category.

I have never met someone who submitted to being spanked, unless they do that in the bedroom. Again, if kids are this smart, then a lot of the arguments become moot. If they know right and wrong and that wrong comes with punishment, then why not just choose to stop doing wrong? What is the spanking actually accomplishing? Shouldn't kids only need to be spanked a single time then? But if they don't know that wrong leads to spanking, can they submit to the first spanking? How do you tell a submission from a refusal?

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weekoldhotdog posted...

We're talking about children that need to be punished, not good children that have no reason to be spanked, right?

99% of children don't do anything bad in the grand scheme. Children aren't just born good or bad and plenty of the good are never laid a finger on. Are spanked children born especially bad?

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all it tells me is that your conflict resolution depth is around 'puddle.' instead of approaching what i said like an adult, you - again - went with childish insults. you strike me as a 'screams at child in store' type.

Put it this way, we've been having an very good debate over this topic for about 2 hours now and you suddenly show up and feel insulted after a single comment.

i never said i felt insulted, i just pointed out that you tried, and this was in response to me pointing out how you're making things up as you go.

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Put it this way, Fluttershy, we've been having an very good debate over this topic for about 2 hours now and you suddenly show up and feel insulted after a single comment. Maybe you thought you were on a topic about Kuwaii UwUs or something?

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

99% of children don't do anything bad in the grand scheme

But we're not talking about the good ones, correct? We're talking about the ones deserving a spanking as a last resort, something good children wouldn't come to on 97% of their days. Even then, if it's completely out of character for the child, why would you need to resort to spanking them in the first place? It was obv a bad day and it would be short sighted of said parent to suddenly spank their child.

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Oh this old chestnut. I've never spanked my nieces or nephews, never been close even if I was upset

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Is it wrong that my parents spanked me for not doing school work when it never changed my behavior? And that all it did was prevent a proper investigation and solution into my behavior?

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But we're not talking about the good ones, correct? We're talking about the ones deserving a spanking as a last resort, something good children wouldn't come to on 97% of their days.

or you just don't do it. have a backbone, and ethics.

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weekoldhotdog posted...

But we're not talking about the good ones, correct? We're talking about the ones deserving a spanking as a last resort, something good children wouldn't come to on 97% of their days. Even then, if it's completely out of character for the child, why would you need to resort to spanking them in the first place? It was obv a bad day and it would be short sighted of said parent to suddenly spank their child.

We're talking about a fantasy world if we're going to imply that only the worst of the worst get spanked. It's not just children in their late tweens committing vandalism, bullying, and petty theft. How many 5 year olds are the bad ones? Entire generations got spanked. Did humanity just produce worse children in the past?

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Wasn't this the guy who made a 25-page thread complaining about getting fired from a call center job for repeatedly breaking the dress code?

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We're talking about a fantasy world

yes, lol.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

Is it wrong that my parents spanked me for not doing school work when it never changed my behavior? And that all it did was prevent a proper investigation and solution into my behavior?

At that age, they were undeniably in the wrong. But before that, I couldn't say. I have zero context, I don't know how difficult of a child you were. There was a time when I found my spanking was less and less effective. Since I insisted on using my hand, it got to the point where I was hurting my hand more than their butt hurt, which would liner in my pinky finger for hours. I could see why parents moved up to using tools so their hands wouldn't suffer, but in my mind, that was when it, to me, was ineffective to continue punishing my children in that manner. And thus, a new punishment was born. You can't keep doing the same thing for all 18 years of a child's life. As a parent, it's up to you to adjust as your child adjust and becomes a baby, a child, and a young adult. If you're rigid and can't evolve with them, you'll be seen as archaic when they are older and they will not want to know you.

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ExtremeLuchador posted...

Wasn't this the guy who made a 25-page thread complaining about getting fired from a call center job for repeatedly breaking the dress code?

No

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I could see why parents moved up to using tools so their hands wouldn't suffer

hahaha did they try words oh my god your whole family is like this.

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Fluttershy posted...

I could see why parents moved up to using tools so their hands wouldn't suffer

hahaha did they try words oh my god your whole family is like this.

You're cute! (call me)

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tools to hit children with are called weapons actually

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i don't mean kiddo insults either, i mean like, actually talking and explaining stuff. thought i should clarify.

You're cute!

you're reprehensible.

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Fluttershy posted...

i don't mean kiddo insults either, i mean like, actually talking and explaining stuff. thought i should clarify.

You're cute!

you're reprehensible.

So this is a no? *sigh*

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i can't imagine you'd have anything interesting to say.

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