Poll of the Day > Looks like the update made things worse again

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Kanatteru posted...

link i've explained to you before why blocking is necessary and the ignore feature never did anything to stop harassment, something i think i definitely do know more than a lot of people about

you can argue about the quote thing and maybe you're not wrong but saying the block feature is not necessary is just plain wrong

For a quick summary, ignoring somebody just means you can't see them harassing you. It doesn't actually stop them from doing so, which in turn means you're inevitably going to see that harassment as others interact with the ignored person. Blocking them prevents that by dramatically reducing the chance that they even know you're there.

Unfortunately, blocking does have the potential to be abused by people who want to "punish" other users. This change improves the intended use (since seeing quotes from the person effectively negates the block), but also vastly increases its potential for abuse.

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Mead posted...

but I dont want him to see my posts, even if they are just being quoted by another user

But this goes beyond hiding your posts from him. Hiding quotes would be fine. Hiding the entire post that includes the quote, decidedly less so, unless people are given a warning when they quote a user that has people blocked so they know to isolate that response (which kinda defeats the purpose of blocking).

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Kanatteru posted...

link i've explained to you before why blocking is necessary and the ignore feature never did anything to stop harassment, something i think i definitely do know more than a lot of people about

you can argue about the quote thing and maybe you're not wrong but saying the block feature is not necessary is just plain wrong

You've explained, and it doesn't make sense. All blocking does extra in a normal topic is stop them from seeing your post. But if someone is dead set on harassing you, they'll log out (and possibly into an alt) to see your post. And they can still quote (old style) and reply. Blocking just makes it an extra step for them. But this makes things worse. Like earlier, Stream mentioned he would have skipped Mead's post if he was only missing one person. He may not have quoted him. But since he was missing half the post in the topic, he open a private browsing page. That's should be evidence enough that more people are going to start logging out to start seeing most of the topic in many cases. Meaning people who wouldn't have quoted you before because they were blocked might actually start quoting you (or quoting you more) because they are seeing your post more...

And while I don't see the necessity in the block feature, I'm more mad about the quote thing here. It's going to suck trying to read through the board topics now... Even worse if they start taking away the track function or post "you aren't suppose to see."

Mead posted...

but I dont want him to see my posts, even if they are just being quoted by another user

But you're also taking away their ability to see post meant for them if a poster quoted you and them in the same post. You're also blocking a poster who wants to talk to you from talking to you since they also talked to a person you don't want to talk to. This just breaks the site...
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Mead posted...

I dont think there is much evidence of that beyond what I perceive as a small number of anecdotal experiences

You wouldn't know since you have them blocked. If someone is blocked or ignored, then you wouldn't see what they were posting, and whether they were posting to you or not... Unless you're logging out. Which then makes you more of a troll than they are.

And you haven't seen it much since it's new. When people can't read half the topic and replies to them because of this new feature, you'll probably start seeing it more...
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Just don't get blocked and you won't have any problems.
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LinkPizza posted...

You wouldn't know since you have them blocked. If someone is blocked or ignored, then you wouldn't see what they were posting

yes that is the feature working as intended

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GanonsSpirit posted...

Just don't get blocked and you won't have any problems.

I should block you right now just for saying this

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GanonsSpirit posted...

Just don't get blocked and you won't have any problems.

Hard to when people block you for just disagreeing... Unless you don't really want to post your own opinions...

Mead posted...

yes that is the feature working as intended

It already worked like that before the change. You wouldn't know then, either. All this does is ruin the board. It adds nothing good... This change will most likely make things worse since people will have to log out or open another tab just to read the topic. Making it far more likely they will see the posts of people who blocked them...
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sounds like how it should be.

blocking someone is so they can't see your posts
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LinkPizza posted...

All blocking does extra in a normal topic is stop them from seeing your post.

yes and that is a good thing. i'm glad we understand

LinkPizza posted...

But if someone is dead set on harassing you, they'll log out (and possibly into an alt) to see your post.

this just doesn't really happen that much. even if it was happening on a large scale, blocking again is just a few clicks. the system does not allow you to make accounts at a rate that would exceed my ability to block them

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

blocking someone is so they can't see your posts

Sure. But it shouldn't block other people's post, as well... If they did quotes like adjl said, it wouldn't be much of an issue. Blocking the whole post is an issue, though...
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Mead posted...

yes that is the feature working as intended

If you're openly admitting to a flagrant sampling bias, trying to claim you haven't seen many examples of something your sampling actively selects against isn't particularly meaningful. That's roughly akin to saying "I'm only looking in the trees, but I haven't seen very many fish."

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adjl posted...

If you're openly admitting to a flagrant sampling bias, trying to claim you haven't seen many examples of something your sampling actively selects against isn't particularly meaningful. That's roughly akin to saying "I'm only looking in the trees, but I haven't seen very many fish."

dude I blocked the aquarium on purpose

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Kanatteru posted...

yes and that is a good thing. i'm glad we understand

Yeah. And that's not the issue I'm talking about here. So, that really means nothing to me. The issue is blocking the post of other people who quoted them...

Kanatteru posted...

this just doesn't really happen that much. even if it was happening on a large scale, blocking again is just a few clicks. the system does not allow you to make accounts at a rate that would exceed my ability to block them

But the chances of it happening improve with this feature. Like I said earlier, people might not log out for one post. But they most likely will if half the topic is missing because someone who blocked them is a main poster in that topic. Or is getting quoted (or quoting) a lot... And while you can keep blocking them, they could easily make a ton of alternate accounts easily. You can keep blocking, but they'll still get harassments in every so often...
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Mead posted...

dude I blocked the aquarium on purpose

Which dramatically impairs your ability to count fish, such that commenting on the number of fish you've seen means virtually nothing.

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adjl posted...

Which dramatically impairs your ability to count fish, such that commenting on the number of fish you've seen means virtually nothing.

Im not even trying to be involved in the aquatic realm

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LinkPizza posted...

Hard to when people block you for just disagreeing... Unless you don't really want to post your own opinions...

Wow, rude. Consider yourself blocked.
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Mead posted...

Im not even trying to be involved in the aquatic realm

Then why comment on your fish counts?

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GanonsSpirit posted...

Wow, rude. Consider yourself blocked.

Yep. I'm telling you, it happens...
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adjl posted...

Then why comment on your fish counts?

I did not count any fish

I wanted prime rib

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What if I told you that fish also have ribs?

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adjl posted...

What if I told you that fish also have ribs?

I am in no place to dispute that

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So if I am reading all this right, if I quote, let's say Zeus, and you all have him blocked, you won't be able to see the entirety of my post because I quoted someone you have blocked; is that the just of it?

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KodyKeir posted...

So if I am reading all this right, if I quote, let's say Zeus, and you all have him blocked, you won't be able to see the entirety of my post because I quoted someone you have blocked; is that the just of it?

Yep. And lets say you quote him and Mead, apparently neither of them would see your post
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blocking has 100% always worked this way.

and it has always had a toggle setting in advanced settings if you didn't want that to happen

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helIy posted...

blocking has 100% always worked this way.

It literally has not. Like I said earlier, Sarcasthma has had men blocked for a couple months at this point. When people quoted him, I could see their posts. Only recently has their posts disappeared. Same with the other couple of people that have me blocked. So, no. It hasnt always worked this way. Unless it works different for every poster

As for the settings thing, I dont block, so I dont know about that. But Im guessing it swapped everyone if it exist. Because before the other day, I was still able to see quotes from all users that blocked me. And only starting after the update did that change
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LinkPizza posted...

Yep. And lets say you quote him and Mead, apparently neither of them would see your post

it is supposed to work that way

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yes, it literally has.

I've had schmen and Ziggy blocked since the feature came out, there are entire pages that ive not been able to see specifically because they're being quoted.

and I do not care if I don't see someone's post because of it, because that's the entire point of block. I don't want to see them under any circumstances, and I don't want them to see me.

if it bothers you so much, there's a setting that bypasses that.

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Mead posted...

it is supposed to work that way

And I disagree

helIy posted...

yes, it literally has.

I've had schmen and Ziggy blocked since the feature came out, there are entire pages that ive not been able to see specifically because they're being quoted.

And I was blocked by 3 or 4 people who, while I couldnt see their post, and I could see their post is quotes Until the update
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it's a setting.

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First we have the Block List, a long-requested feature. When you Block a user, they will no longer see your topics or posts, including posts in which you are quoted, as if they were ignoring you. Remember, that this doesn't apply 100% of the time to posts in non-standard places, and that a user with multiple accounts will only be blocked on the ones you specify.

and yes. that is how it's always worked

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Ive been using the block feature since they implemented it and it has always worked this way for me. There is no reason people should be seeing posts of people they have blocked

If someone is quoting multiple users then they should keep the block feature in mind, cause this is just how it needs to be since there are so many people on the website that cant behave themselves in a civil manner

not even lying if they got rid of the block feature I probably just would actually stop posting here

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and yes, the setting says ignored users, it still works with block.



i ignored adjl, i can still see where mead quoted him in #71.

you're bitching about a user controlled setting

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helIy posted...

it's a setting.

Ive seen that. But block and ignore are different, right? Plus, Im talking about it for me. Not only do I keep that on no, but but I dont use ignore. Its taking away post of people that quote people that blocked me. And I was able to see those post before the update

helIy posted...

and yes. that is how it's always worked

And for me, it hasnt always worked that way Because it literally wasnt getting rid of quotes from me. And Im talking from the blocked persons views. That says nothing about what Im talking about that. Thats talking about what the blocker sees. Not then blocked

Mead posted...

Ive been using the block feature since they implemented it and it has always worked this way for me. There is no reason people should be seeing posts of people they have blocked

Youre see it from the Blockers view, though. Not the blocked...

Mead posted...

If someone is quoting multiple users then they should keep the block feature in mind, cause this is just how it needs to be since there are so many people on the website that cant behave themselves in a civil manner

The problem is we dont know who has who blocked. And you can only post 2 post per minute. If you split up all your quotes, it can make it look bad. And you could get reported for that. Thats why this new rules is stupid

Mead posted...

not even lying if they got rid of the block feature I probably just would actually stop posting here

I might stop posting because of this rule. Especially since a few topics made no sense because I was missing like half the topic
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helIy posted...

and yes, the setting says ignored users, it still works with block.



i ignored adjl, i can still see where mead quoted him in #71.

you're bitching about a user controlled setting

I would believe that if I had literally seen it at all before the update. But I never did And I have no control over it. Again, Im talking from the position of being blocked. Not from blocking someone else. I literally cant control that. Like at all
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LinkPizza posted...

And for me, it hasnt always worked that way

because you had it set to where you can see them

go into settings and fucking change that setting.

that's it. that is all you have to do.

blocking has not changed since it was implemented, it has always worked this way.



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helIy posted...

because you had it set to where you can see them

go into settings and fucking change that setting.

that's it. that is all you have to do.

blocking has not changed since it was implemented, <u>it has always worked this way.</u>
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I havent changed anything in settings, though. So, it should still be what it was already set on.
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no.

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LinkPizza posted...

I havent changed anything in settings, though. So, it should still be what it was already set on.

they may have changed the default settings

especially if most users were using the block feature or there was feedback that many users would prefer that setting

because if a user blocks someone then they obviously dont want to see a users post under any circumstances. The curiosity of another user over what someone posted doesnt supersede that function and it never should.

every type of social media has features to try to block abuse, and this is the way it needs to work for gamefaqs otherwise the site is just gonna go away and very quickly I would bet. Even as things stand now none of us really know how much longer this site really has going for it. It could struggle along for decades but becoming more of cesspool isnt going to help it one bit.

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Another thing I want to mention regarding a user that is upset about being blocked is that maybe they should pay attention and know that when some users say Anyone that decides to be transphobic in this topic even as a joke is just gonna be blocked by me that maybe they mean what they said.

There are multiple users who Ive blocked but then given another shot after some time goes by, but the reaction in this case really affirms to me that I made the right call with that one.

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Mead posted...

because if a user blocks someone then they obviously dont want to see a users post under any circumstances. The curiosity of another user over what someone posted doesnt supersede that function and it never should.

Except when it starts blocking most to them from other people. Thats shouldnt happen

Mead posted...

every type of social media has features to try to block abuse, and this is the way it needs to work for gamefaqs otherwise the site is just gonna go away and very quickly I would bet. Even as things stand now none of us really know how much longer this site really has going for it. It could struggle along for decades but becoming more of cesspool isnt going to help it one bit.

The site will last even less if all the topic are just a chopped up mess

Mead posted...

Another thing I want to mention regarding a user that is upset about being blocked is that maybe they should pay attention and know that when some users say Anyone that decides to be transphobic in this topic even as a joke is just gonna be blocked by me that maybe they mean what they said.

There are multiple users who Ive blocked but then given another shot after some time goes by, but the reaction in this case really affirms to me that I made the right call with that one.

The people who block me always do because I dont agree with them. Like if I have a different opinion. Like one person who blocked everybody (including me) who anti-signed their site suggestion. Or the person who blocked me because we had a difference of what friends are for. And blocked someone who responded to him because he blocked me. Stuff like that
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That is their choice

They shouldnt have to see posts that they have decided they dont want to see. The alternative is that a lot will just not post here at all. There are more alternatives than ever.

Even most people that say they dont like social media are active on YouTube or Reddit or whatever else. The boards are one of the few things actually tying a userbase to this site and being obstinate and trying to stay more like 4chan is just gonna ensure its quick demise.

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Mead posted...

If someone is quoting multiple users then they should keep the block feature in mind, cause this is just how it needs to be since there are so many people on the website that cant behave themselves in a civil manner

No, the block feature just shouldn't axe entire posts over one quote. Expecting every user to be cognizant of the possibility that somebody in a topic has blocked somebody else in a topic and isolating each user's quotes to account for that is not remotely reasonable. That's just a really awkward way to approach any conversation that relies on quotes.

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Mead posted...

They shouldnt have to see posts that they have decided they dont want to see.

I don't know why you keep bringing this up in the context of blocking. That's what ignore is for. Ignore works fine and doesn't require any expansion of blocking to continue working fine. If you don't want to see certain posts, ignore the user. Sometimes, blocking may also be necessary to keep them from noticing you're there and actively harassing you in ways that get around being ignored (personally, I'd rather see more robust, consistent moderation responses to harassment, but blocking's an okay workaround for that goal), but that's beyond "I just don't want to see these posts."

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Mead posted...

They shouldnt have to see posts that they have decided they dont want to see. The alternative is that a lot will just not post here at all. There are more alternatives than ever.

Tbh, Id probably prefer for that. Id rather be able to read the full topic instead of having chunks missing because I disagreed with someone. Im not even harassing of trolling them. If I was, Id at least understand. Thats also part of the reason I dont like block. I dont like others controlling what my hoard looks like when they cant see my post, anyway
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helIy posted...

because you had it set to where you can see them

go into settings and fucking change that setting.

that's it. that is all you have to do.

blocking has not changed since it was implemented, it has always worked this way.

You know what, thank you, helly.
I went in and changed it and now things are back to normal.
Guess they changed my setting on me w/ the update and that was the problem. I hate when that happens.
But now I can see every post again except Mead's actual posts, at least so far.
Not sure if it "always worked this way" but if it did, then GFAQs definitely changed my settings. Oh well, it's better now.

I have no issues with the block feature and this place would be worse without it

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LinkPizza posted...

Now, if someone blocks you, and someone else quotes them, you cant see their message anymore. Might as well stay logged out until you need to post

Yeah. It's for sure more broken now and makes reading threads worse. Some pages I click in this topic show only one post for example. Logging out works if I care that much.


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LinkPizza posted...

Now, if someone blocks you, and someone else quotes them, you cant see their message anymore. Might as well stay logged out until you need to post

Good. Granted, the only problem is when somebody replies to both you and a person you've ignored/blocked in the same post.

Lokarin posted...

ignoring and blocking people is dumb, what's the point of being obnoxious if no one can see it?

Try not being obnoxious.

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No.

streamofthesky posted...

Ok, I literally can't see half of the posts in this topic just because one snowflake blocked me.
I'm annoyed, and going to get this off my chest.

I generally don't even think about it anymore. If I have somebody blocked, they've repeatedly done ridiculously outrageous shit to get there.

streamofthesky posted...

I'm not even sure why the hell you blocked me, I barely interacted with you even before that point and have never bothered trying to since you did.

tbh, that guy's behavior is generally abhorrent so you're missing nothing. But he'll usually block anybody the second they contradict his misinformation.

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Zeus posted...

Granted, the only problem is when somebody replies to both you and a person you've ignored/blocked in the same post.

Thats main problem, though That, and the fact that it could really fuck up a conversation
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