Poll of the Day > Looks like the update made things worse again

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Mead
08/09/21 5:58:35 AM
#101:


LinkPizza posted...
Id rather be able to read the full topic

Id rather be able to use these message boards without constantly being harassed and doxxed like would frequently happen before the block feature was implemented. You might not appreciate it but that shit has gotten much better since this change.

I really dont care if it inconveniences some users ability to read every single post because that is I think very obviously a secondary concern at best.

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LinkPizza
08/09/21 6:12:32 AM
#102:


Mead posted...
Id rather be able to use these message boards without constantly being harassed and doxxed like would frequently happen before the block feature was implemented. You might not appreciate it but that shit has gotten much better since this change.

I really dont care if it inconveniences some users ability to read every single post because that is I think very obviously a secondary concern at best.

Block dodnt stop anything, though. You could actually already do that stuff with ignore. Both ignore and block allow you to go through topics without seeing the others persons post The only thing block does extra is makes people open a new tab to see your post

I have yet to see block actually do anyone any more good that ignore. I have seen the opposite, though. Like topics becoming confusing since many post are missing. The same topics on a board popping up on a board more than once. People messing up the count on hurt/heal games

Maybe reading the whole topic is a secondary concern to you. But other people like to use the message board for its intended purpose. And that is to read the messages
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Mead
08/09/21 6:17:58 AM
#103:


LinkPizza posted...
Block dodnt stop anything, though. You could actually already do that stuff with ignore.

Youre wrong Link. There was a lot of harassment that was going on when there was only an ignore function that has substantially lessened.

Most users arent using a second tab to view the site so they can see posts of people who have blocked them. Nobody has a right to see every post.


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LinkPizza
08/09/21 6:24:01 AM
#104:


Mead posted...
Youre wrong Link. There was a lot of harassment that was going on when there was only an ignore function that has substantially lessened.

Most users arent using a second tab to view the site so they can see posts of people who have blocked them. Nobody has a right to see every post.

I know theres harassment. But block doesnt stop it. From your perspective, block and ignore are the same. You cant see their post, the or my thing block adds is they cant your post while logged in. The easy, in not time consuming, workaround if logging out or private tab. Meaning that all block does is troll other users. But from the blockers POV, nothing changes between blocking and ignoring people

I still havent seen harassment go down from blocking. People do eventually get tired, but its just from doing it for a while. I havent seen any evidence of it going down from blocking yet

And most people will if its half the topic. And you dont have the right to control everything others are seeing. Especially on a public message board Itd be different if it were a private board or something. But its a public board. Especially since blocking allows the blockers to harass the blocked without them even knowing
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Mead
08/09/21 6:29:42 AM
#105:


LinkPizza posted...
But block doesnt stop it.

Im telling you that it has reduced a great deal of it. Ignoring a user often does not stop harassment, it often emboldens the harasser and every time they see your posts they want to try to find a way to mess with you by either making alts or coming up with other creative ways to harass.

Blocking though makes it so that they arent seeing your posts during their normal use of the board. You can just fade from their mind. Yes a user CAN log out and see blocked posts, but most people arent going to bother with that most of the time.

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LinkPizza
08/09/21 6:39:17 AM
#106:


Mead posted...
Im telling you that it has reduced a great deal of it. Ignoring a user often does not stop harassment, it often emboldens the harasser and every time they see your posts they want to try to find a way to mess with you by either making alts or coming up with other creative ways to harass.

Blocking though makes it so that they arent seeing your posts during their normal use of the board. You can just fade from their mind. Yes a user CAN log out and see blocked posts, but most people arent going to bother with that most of the time.

How would block stop it? All of does is make it take extra time to see your post. They can still harass you just like before. And if youre talking about seeing their post, you already couldnt with ignore. Block just adds another way to troll I see no evidence of it stopping any harassment Or any way it could stop it Abs you only assume they arent going to bother. But its more likely they will Especially if a topic is mostly empty. Or if they are dead set on harassing you. Or if they want to read all the messages because thats what message boards are for
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SunWuKung420
08/09/21 7:43:40 AM
#107:


This is how the block feature has always worked. And it allows users to harass others without the harassed seeing it and therefore they can't mark the harassing posts. I know because seaman does it all time. He has me blocked but is always posting lies about me.

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helIy
08/09/21 7:58:13 AM
#108:


blocking has vastly cut down on the amount of harassment, on this board specifically.

do you know the last time i've even seen ziggy or schmen? those two users being gone, and me being gone from them, has dramatically improved these boards for me. hell, ask kana, she was, is, one of the most harassed users here, and even she told you that blocking improved things.

just because you can't see that doesn't mean it doesn't work, because it does. you have multiple users in here telling you that it does.

no one has a right to see every post from everybody. rarely does anyone actually log out or open a new tab, ect, to see the missing posts. maybe at first, sure, but then it just gets bothersome, and they give up. that's the point.

blocking is a two way ignore. if anything, regular ignore should just go away since it serves no purpose with block being there.

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Gradieus
08/09/21 9:28:00 AM
#109:


SunWuKung420 posted...
This is how the block feature has always worked. And it allows users to harass others without the harassed seeing it and therefore they can't mark the harassing posts. I know because seaman does it all time. He has me blocked but is always posting lies about me.

This. It would be so easy to block someone like Mead then talk behind their backs and skirt the line to the point you're never moderated. One could easily sow discord over time where people wouldn't want to discuss anything with Mead due to false pretenses.

On topic what I find annoying about being blocked is that I still get a notification under "my posts" that there's a new post, only to go into the topic and see nothing. The design is built to purposefully annoy the blocked user as much as possible, which that alone could cause them to want to harass to "get even".

The easiest way to solve harassment is for moderators to do their jobs properly. The block feature is just a lazy way for them to be rid of issues without lifting a finger. Yeah, sometimes there's actual harassments, but shouldn't the mods deal with that? If a user is harassing someone they should be put in purgatory and then IP banned on a repeated offense.

The way the system is built now lets trolls do whatever they want blocking people just to maximize annoyance. At the very least blocking should be a request you bring up to moderators so that they can review whether it's block worthy or not.

Either way the moderators should be involved more, but the design is obviously built around them being involved less.

Edit: As for why I'm blocked I frequent a video game board of a game I love, so I talk about what I love about the game. People who don't like the game also post a lot there, and several of them have me blocked just because I love the game. That makes it really hard to read/post on that board and it's all because I love a game they hate. Why am I being punished for talking about a game I love on a gaming message board? I have no problem that they hate the game and that they post there, but why can't we just discuss the game like two adults instead of the haters blocking to maximize annoyance?
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Revelation34
08/09/21 10:12:13 AM
#110:


Mead posted...


Because I should be able to have control over who I do or do not interact with on this website as much as possible. You can think Im thin skinned or sensitive and you probably arent wrong but I appreciate the feature. It might make the board frustrating for you to read at times but it helps some users avoid a lot of unnecessary hostility.


And what if the person quoting it doesn't have you blocked?

Gradieus posted...
This. It would be so easy to block someone like Mead then talk behind their backs and skirt the line to the point you're never moderated. One could easily sow discord over time where people wouldn't want to discuss anything with Mead due to false pretenses.


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Gradieus
08/09/21 10:24:12 AM
#111:


Revelation34 posted...
Oh hi Zeus.

It used to be "oh hi gradeus". Really has come full circle.
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Mead
08/09/21 4:29:52 PM
#112:


Revelation34 posted...
And what if the person quoting it doesn't have you blocked?

then they can just go about their day and their life normally

I dont really understand what you are asking

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LinkPizza
08/09/21 6:24:11 PM
#113:


helIy posted...
blocking has vastly cut down on the amount of harassment, on this board specifically.

do you know the last time i've even seen ziggy or schmen? those two users being gone, and me being gone from them, has dramatically improved these boards for me. hell, ask kana, she was, is, one of the most harassed users here, and even she told you that blocking improved things.

just because you can't see that doesn't mean it doesn't work, because it does. you have multiple users in here telling you that it does.

no one has a right to see every post from everybody. rarely does anyone actually log out or open a new tab, ect, to see the missing posts. maybe at first, sure, but then it just gets bothersome, and they give up. that's the point. you keep going on about these "what ifs", but they do not matter. they are not an issue. if someone wants to talk shit behind your back, that's fine. i -they- can't see it. other people who know you, and don't like the harassers already, just ignore it as well, as been proven over and over. the harassment doesn't matter if you aren't able to be harassed by it.

blocking is a two way ignore. if anything, regular ignore should just go away since it serves no purpose with block being there.

if i blocked someone, i don't want to see their posts in any shape or form, that includes in other peoples messages. if you don't like that, that's fine. i already showed you that there's an option for that if it bothers you so much.

You mention last time you saw someone. But thats doesnt mat yet r because you also wouldnt see them with ignore You being gone from them doesnt matter since they could still see your post. But it wouldnt matter since in the end, you would never see theirs, anyway

And while Kana had said it, I cant see it. If you already cant see the user, the problem is officially solved. Since you cant see them, any harassment they offer up doesnt matter because you literally cant see it. So, I dont understand how harassment you cant see or even know about bothers people

And you also have multiple users telling you how it can easily be used to troll. And how its fucking go up the message boards. Based on proof that everyone can actually see. The reason I dont see it is because its not actually helping. It just causing the ones blocking to pull a troll move on the boards

You say no one has a right to see every post, but I also say that no one has a right to control what posts another individual sees on a message board. The post they see she bother you since they can literally see it, anyway But you should have control to make reading the message boards harder for them just because youre mad As for whether they log out, it depends. If someone really is harassing someone to the point that they are following them into every topic. The chance of them logging out to continue harassing them is high. Also, if someone is missing tons of post because a regular who is talking a lot is in, theyll probably log out some they can see the other half of the topic they are missing. Because when you have a topic with 100 posts, and you can only see like 40 of them, the conversation probably wont make sense Its happened in this topic where streamofthesky was missing a ton of posts, and logged out to see why. For all we know, some of them probably stay logged off until they want to respond. And people log off all the time to see who blocked them. Especially when talking about the ignore/blocked list when someone makes a topic about it. When it first came out (and even to this day), people would notice a post missing, and then they would post about someone whos blocked them. It use to happen even more when people would notice posts missing, and then log out to see who it was that blocked them And they might n or give up. Nor should they be the point. Why should someone be able to block posters to make the board worse just because they can? Its suppose to be a message board, and people are now getting to use block to harass other users

And they arent what ifs. Its things that are happening. Its slowed down on this board, but still goes on other places. Especially right after a block happens. They talk about that person after blocking them. Or say a bunch of stuff, and then block them. So, a person may not know what was said, or how to defend themselves. Especially on fast moving boards like CE. Or boards that you need an account to read like the sex board. Or boards where you have to be invited to, and you cant see it without and invited account (meaning you would need another invited account to see the post you cant see)

And you literally said why block is useless in your own post. You said, the harassment doesn't matter if you aren't able to be harassed by it. Based on that, ignore should work on its own since you wont be able to see the harassment, right? So, block is literally pointless based on what you said right there Once they cant see the harassment, it doesnt matter. All blocking is now is a troll move to get even with someone Or to troll them for having different views So, blocking should go away, and they should keep regular ignore since it serves a purpose thats not trolly Because posters in here shouldnt be able to control what other posters see, or make it harder for other people to follow a message board

Gradieus posted...
At the very least blocking should be a request you bring up to moderators so that they can review whether it's block worthy or not.

Id be fine with this, tbh

Gradieus posted...
People who don't like the game also post a lot there, and several of them have me blocked just because I love the game.

People block people for literally disagreeing with them sometimes. Kind of shitty, honestly
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Kanatteru
08/10/21 12:05:22 AM
#114:


link as long as you keep characterizing every instance of blocking as just being mad or disagreeing with someone then you're not going to get it. i've never blocked someone because i disagreed with them.

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Revelation34
08/10/21 12:08:03 AM
#115:


Mead posted...


then they can just go about their day and their life normally

I dont really understand what you are asking


You shouldn't be blocked from seeing people's posts who don't have you blocked.
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Mead
08/10/21 12:10:03 AM
#116:


Revelation34 posted...
You shouldn't be blocked from seeing people's posts who don't have you blocked.

well sometimes youre gonna be

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LinkPizza
08/10/21 1:30:53 AM
#117:


Kanatteru posted...
link as long as you keep characterizing every instance of blocking as just being mad or disagreeing with someone then you're not going to get it. i've never blocked someone because i disagreed with them.

Part of that is because, at least when it comes to me, that's why I've been blocked. For the people where I know the reasons, at least... The other reason is because I don't understand how blocking is going to stop harass when ignore should be enough. Even helIy mentioned it (whether it was he intention of not). He said, "The harassment doesn't matter if you aren't able to be harassed by it." That's why it seems like ignore would work fine... But it's true that I won't ever get why block is actually needed.

The people and reasons I was blocked:

Sullivan something - Because I disagreed about with blocking with them. And after a short conversation, they said I had nothing to add, and blocked me, proving my point to them.

Greenknight - Because I said not all friends are trying to get something from you. He didn't agree, got really mad, and blocked me for it. When I said something about it, wwinterj25 said something to him, and was immediately blocked, as well...

Somebody on the site suggestion board - They literally blocked everyone who anti-signed their suggestion...

Sarcasthma - I actually don't know...

PunishedOni - Again, I don't know... But if this is the same person as the other oni account, it probably has to do with this topic where they were hoping for all military members to die in a ditch. And when I talked to them about it, after an argument, they were wishing for me, my family, and my friends to all die in an air strike or something... So, I said, "Same to you, then." Not too long after that, they did something else and the account was banned or something, IIRC... Anyway, just a few days ago, they blocked me with this current account. Because I was seeing their posts, at first...

That's what I can remember off the top of my head...
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Mead
08/10/21 1:42:05 AM
#118:


LinkPizza posted...
And when I talked to them about, after an argument, they were wishing for me, my family, and my friends to all die in an air strike or something

Im sorry someone said that to you Link, thats really messed up

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LinkPizza
08/10/21 1:54:18 AM
#119:


Mead posted...
Im sorry someone said that to you Link, thats really messed up

Its fine. I think they just got really heated up and angry
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helIy
08/10/21 1:59:25 AM
#120:


did you block them

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LinkPizza
08/10/21 2:00:34 AM
#121:


helIy posted...
did you block them

No. I had no reason to do so... I've never used either block or ignore. And if I used either of them, ignore would be enough since I would already stop seeing their posts...
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helIy
08/10/21 2:01:58 AM
#122:


if you don't think that was a reason to block, then no, you're never going to understand it

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LinkPizza
08/10/21 2:03:49 AM
#123:


helIy posted...
if you don't think that was a reason to block, then no, you're never going to understand it

Exactly... I already said I wouldn't...
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BEERandWEED
08/12/21 7:02:30 AM
#125:


Does mead block everyone that doesn't share his viewpoint? The guy blocked me for having another different viewpoint without even trying to discuss it. Seems pretty childish.
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DeltaBladeX
08/12/21 3:31:44 PM
#126:


Never used Block, but got a handful on Ignore. Duckbear and their other account because of their 'news' topics (shame I also miss their occasional normal post, seen those a few times), and some people who were just harassing me whenever I saw them.

Wish we could see stats of how many people have us ignored / blocked. No names, just numbers.
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MrMelodramatic
08/12/21 3:36:51 PM
#127:


You can fix this in the settings I think

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FrndNhbrHdCEman
08/12/21 3:37:50 PM
#128:


I get the reasoning for it staying but adjl hit the nail on the head. The benefits dont outweigh the slew of abuses.
Sunny blocked me then used homophobia to harass me and got suspended but its become even more draconian. Shit I see in this topic hes still trying a variant of Semen to harass for my sexual orientation me when itd be easier to type CEMan. Guys a troll and habitual liar ffs. Playing victim. He can go eat his greasy shit cooking.

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helIy
08/12/21 4:34:59 PM
#129:


DeltaBladeX posted...
Never used Block, but got a handful on Ignore. Duckbear and their other account because of their 'news' topics (shame I also miss their occasional normal post, seen those a few times), and some people who were just harassing me whenever I saw them.

Wish we could see stats of how many people have us ignored / blocked. No names, just numbers.
i've never seen anyone harass you before

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DeltaBladeX
08/12/21 4:52:35 PM
#130:


helIy posted...
i've never seen anyone harass you before

Some people just want to be dicks. Two aren't on this board either, only one was.
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LinkPizza
08/12/21 11:10:46 PM
#131:


VioletMassacre posted...
Why the fuck would anyone want to block you? You're, like, the nicest person on this site.

Mostly for disagreeing, AFAIK

DeltaBladeX posted...
only one was.

Are they gone now?
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DeltaBladeX
08/13/21 3:09:24 AM
#132:


LinkPizza posted...
Are they gone now?

I haven't seen them in ages (:P), but two of the three ignored still use the site.
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Zareth
08/13/21 4:37:51 AM
#133:


Topic title can be applied to pretty much anything these days

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Revelation34
08/13/21 6:04:02 AM
#134:


VioletMassacre posted...
I don't ignore or block since I want to be able to see everything, even all the shit. I'd rather be able to report and watch other people burn than let them keep harassing in secret.

Why the fuck would anyone want to block you? You're, like, the nicest person on this site.

Then we have something in common!


PunishedOni blocks anybody they see post just once.
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