Current Events > Are you a supporter of Black Lives Matter?

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https://blacklivesseattle.org/our-demands/

Declare racism a public health crisis in Washington state.
They don't really make an argument on this one. I agree racism is an issue, I don't think "public health crisis" is the right thing to classify it as. Persistent violation of civil rights is more what I would consider it.

Defund police.
Agree with 4.5/9, so overall agree but barely. Lots of stuff in there i disagree with.

Fund community health
Agree with 1.5/2, overall agree.

End Washington State Voter Suppression.
Agree with 0/3, overall disagree.

End youth incarceration.
Agree with 0/1, overall disagree. I do think Washington could do with less youth incarceration, but some 14 year olds do need to be locked up.

Dismantle the school to prison pipeline.
Agree with 4.5/7, too ignorant on bullet 2 to have a position on that, but overall agree.


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ImAMarvel posted...

I'm not sure why she would ever have a problem with that.

Oh right, it's just a coincidence that dozens of accounts that have never shown CE the time of the day come out of the woodworks whenever a topic like this pops up.

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Tbh, it seems hostile at this point.

I think theres a direct link between the lockdown & the protests.

Of course black lives matter & discrimination/profiling/police violence is a huge problem. We also just had our first black president for 8 years & voted Trump out of office to put Obamas VP there instead. Those are huge wins abiding the system which need to be acknowledged. The amount of extremely rich black Americans needs to be acknowledged. Those are good things. Those are victories. It is far from impossible to excel as a black person in America.

but especially at my job with people that I was overseeing, I found more often than Id like that it meant to them a means of attempting a power play, moving for forced diversity, asking to be treated as a special case, being immune from criticism, etc. You know? If we look through history, that is just not the way things happen for people. And its like, everybody hated Trump basically lol. Everybody who actually invested in the moral dilemma of his rhetoric. And then some of these oppositions (not just BLM either, kind you) seem to me with the extremism that theyre trying to beat him at his own game or fill the power void. And thats like.......

I try to show my support and all too often I get criticized and attacked. Im not a cop. Im not racist. Im not threatening or subjugating any race, nor do I want to. So, whats the problem?

Whatll happen.....

Is Ill end supporting whichever side doesnt want to kill/enslave me for my skin color.

At some point very soon after the movement gained popularity, a certain percentage of the followers naturally took it beyond the intended purpose and have turned into Black Lives Matter More. Which tends to happen with any sort of progressive thing, but... The thing is, idk.... with other minority groups to consider.... and the system in place, and how these sorts of changes can only ever happen..... I honestly feel worried not for myself, but anyone get swept into this street-level, twitter-level extremism, screaming into a void, and then what?

Ive gotten myself out of some nasty pickles in life. Ive tried to show lots of people how its done. White, black, male, female..... 99% just dont wanna hear it, dont get it, cant do it, etc. Its sad. But yeah.....

The police need to keep being improved (GoCams are great for keeping track of that) and the country in general needs to stop celebrating & abiding criminals (down with Weinstein was great)

No, because the movement has been repeatedly involved in acts of extreme violence and intimidation, in addition to sketchy shit involving the founders and the fact that BLM has inherently problematic connotations. And they've taken us FURTHER from being able to have police reform, so fuck them.


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Zeus posted...

they've taken us FURTHER from being able to have police reform

Have they

People keep saying that having a black president should be proof that we've made progress and don't stop to realize that the result of that was electing a rich white man that constantly tried to push the narrative that Obama wasn't even American.

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1000 percent. No group as large as it is comes without fault, but I absolutely support the entity

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KStateKing17 posted...

People keep saying that having a black president should be proof that we've made progress and don't stop to realize that the result of that was electing a rich white man that constantly tried to push the narrative that Obama wasn't even American.

Ta-Nehesi Coates' article on Donald Trump as "the first white President" is especially poignant in this regard.

EDIT: Oh, and of course I'm a supporter.

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yes. as a concept and as a movement. the organization can use some work, but it's work in progress and I'm rooting for them to be the best they can be.

I mostly wish Liberals would stop trying to co-opt Black movements, though. there are differences between allies, supporters and parasites.
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Interesting how these sorts of votes get ludicrous amounts more votes compared to any other vote CE has.

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The results are a bit depressing, but it shows to go how for some people it doesn't take much to abandon ideals as soon as there comes a risk of *checks notes* "looking bad on GameFAQs Current Events".

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the idea? yeah

the movement that uses that idea to justify crime and destroying property? nah

Slayerblade11 posted...

Na it's a movement that defends too many criminals and bad people

But enough about Republicans

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hockeybub89 posted...

But enough about Republicans

Heyoooo~

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CyricZ posted...

Heyoooo~

+1

Zeus posted...

No, because the movement has been repeatedly involved in acts of extreme violence and intimidation, in addition to sketchy shit involving the founders and the fact that BLM has inherently problematic connotations. And they've taken us FURTHER from being able to have police reform, so fuck them.

Oh and you found humor in that white terrorist intimidating that officer and her mother the other day. You don't give a fuck about police reform or any improvement in the justice system regarding minorities or the underprivileged.

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I support all lives matter but im told told no life matters until Black Lives Matter

I still see people are using that debunked "Co-founder used BLM money to buy a house!" nonsense. She didn't use the money raised from BLM to buy that.

Granted it's exclusively coming from people who would never support the ideals of BLM in the first place.


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i think i would be incredibly foolish not to be

Umbreon posted...

I believe that my life matters, yes.

This. I do not have any affiliation or membership with the organization. When they do good, great. When they do bad, punish them.


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I support the actual meaning of the phrase. I don't support the terrorist movement that uses said phrase as its name precisely so that they can accuse people of disagreeing with the literal meaning, when people express opposition to the group.

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Absolutely not, I don't support civil fascists.

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The organization and the riots and shit really soured my opinion on it as an actual group of people

But as for the original idea, yeah

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People more focused on property damage than the decades that drove people to such extremes... Chances are you were okay with the status quo.

Or willingly ignoring all the times people unrelated to BLM intentionally caused trouble to make the organization look bad.

No I'm not saying property damage good. I just can't be bothered to care about some windows being smashed in when we live in a country where cops can break into your house in the dead of night while in plainclothes, unjustly kill someone, and be considered to have "done nothing wrong".

If the George Floyd murder wasn't recorded, the "official" story would have been that he died in the ambulance with not a shot fired.

If you're more worried about property damage than any of that? I don't think you consider the lives of minorities important.

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The idea not the organization

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I remember when I was saying similar things to what most people in this topic were saying, but a bit sooner than it was fashionable.

I got called a racist a lot for that.

These people seem to be able to understand the patriot act was a bad thing, but then they are like "oh you have problems with the 'anti-racist' movement? You are racist!" "Oh you have problems with the BLM movement? You don't care about black lives!"

It's like people never heard of branding. Or like people would support murdering puppies of the organization was called "the make the world perfect organization".

Actually now that I think about it, lots of these people are probably the type of people who support PETA for this very reason.

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whenever I see/hear "well I support the idea, but not the group" it makes me consider selling my soul and becoming a right wing propagandist.

It's clearly effective, as we are currently witnessing with all the rage directed toward CRT

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Everything is for sale, including ideals.

Turns out when something doesn't offer a year's ROI, some people look to the next big thing.

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Robot2600 posted...

There is no such thing as "supporting black people" without supporting the BLM movement.

Tell that to the families of Tamir Rice and Michael Brown Jr.

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CyricZ posted...

The results are a bit depressing, but it shows to go how for some people it doesn't take much to abandon ideals as soon as there comes a risk of *checks notes* "looking bad on GameFAQs Current Events".

This. What did Martin Luther King, Jr say about the white moderate again?

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I support the phrase itself and the movement behind it. I don't support the organization.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

This. What did Martin Luther King, Jr say about the white moderate again?

Difference between MLK and BLM is MLK didnt engage in violence to raise awareness of the issues blacks face.

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TyVulpine posted...

Difference between MLK and BLM is MLK didnt engage in violence to raise awareness of the issues blacks face.

"A riot is the voice of the unheard"

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TyVulpine posted...

Difference between MLK and BLM is MLK didnt engage in violence to raise awareness of the issues blacks face.

And then he was imprisoned, spied on and murdered anyway.

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hockeybub89 posted...

"A riot is the voice of the unheard"

"And I would be the first to say that I am still committed to militant, powerful, massive, non -violence as the most potent weapon in grappling with the problem from a direct action point of view. I'm absolutely convinced that a riot merely intensifies the fears of the white community while relieving the guilt. And I feel that we must always work with an effective, powerful weapon and method that brings about tangible results. But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity."

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KStateKing17 posted...

And then he was imprisoned, spied on and murdered anyway.

Call me crazy, but I tend to think he did a lot of good in the cause of expanding civil rights and equality.

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I shouldn't be surprised that CE is CEing this topic but here we are.

Also I 100% support BLM.

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joe40001 posted...

"And I would be the first to say that I am still committed to militant, powerful, massive, non -violence as the most potent weapon in grappling with the problem from a direct action point of view. I'm absolutely convinced that a riot merely intensifies the fears of the white community while relieving the guilt. And I feel that we must always work with an effective, powerful weapon and method that brings about tangible results. But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity."

In modern times, MLK would still be called a Far-Left violent extremist that supports terrorists even with the full quote.

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joe40001 posted...

Call me crazy, but I tend to think he did a lot of good in the cause of expanding civil rights and equality.

Didn't prevent him from being murdered.

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hockeybub89 posted...

In modern times, MLK would still be called a Far-Left violent extremist that supports terrorists even with the full quote.

Maybe by some idiots. But I honestly believe MLK would find himself unwelcome by much of the modern woke left. I honestly would not be surprised if in the next 5-10 years the far left tries to cancel him.

His desire to end racism is antithetical to something like what Kendi or Diangelo argues for.

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If by supporter you mean not getting involved at all, then yes.

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Black lives matter, but I do not support the Black Lives Matter organization.

CyricZ posted...

Didn't prevent him from being murdered.

And?

Like if he had been violent that would've helped how?

A person can be murdered without any fault of their own actions.

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joe40001 posted...

A person can be murdered without any fault of their own actions.

You make it sound like the murder was something done by nature or fate.

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joe40001 posted...

And?

Like if he had been violent that would've helped how?

A person can be murdered without any fault of their own actions.

But he was murdered because of his actions.

You're verging on Nancy Pelosi "We thank them for their sacrifice" territory

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joe40001 posted...

Maybe by some idiots. But I honestly believe MLK would find himself unwelcome by much of the modern woke left. I honestly would not be surprised if in the next 5-10 years the far left tries to cancel him.

His desire to end racism is antithetical to something like what Kendi or Diangelo argues for.

Cancel culture doesn't fucking exist!

How the fuck can you unironically discount all crazy shit from the right as extremist idioicy, but then legitimately fear the Far-Left and whoever the fuck those people are as having the power to "cancel" MLK?

"The left" is demonstrably less of a cohesive hivemind in the political and social sphere.

Everyone you agree with is intelligent and non-partisan and logically has lost faith in certain institutions and everyone you disagree with is an idiot extremist who lacks the ability to criticize the establishment.

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